Woman Eats Only MEAT for 3 Years And This Happens... | Angela Lerro

when I would have those days that I would eat vegan and you know meat free I felt terrible especially terrible after my sessions like I had no life force I and felt like the energy would be drained from me so I started eating burgers by and I felt amazing afterwards and I joke about that I said you know why are we saging our homes when we could be staking our homes see cooking the steak and like you know staging our like say like I'd rather stake myself than say to myself hey hello everyone thanks for joining another episode of plant prmd I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest Angela who has been kind enough to come on the show and give us her personal story Angela thank you so much for coming on hi Dr chy thank thank you so much for having me this morning I'm really looking forward to sharing my journey with you and with everyone yeah well you're very welcome it's nice to see you and uh you showed up on um an well on an article in the daily mail recently and that sort of talked about your health issues and journey if people haven't seen that can you give us a bit of a rundown on that and and you know how you you came to get here oh my gosh absolutely um it's a it's been a bit of a whirlwind um the in terms of getting on the the article on The Daily Mail um I um was like I said a bit of a journey I had breast cancer 10 years ago um I was 28 so I'm 38 right now and um while I was going through treatments I also was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease called euil esophagitis and the combination of the two my doctors wanted me to go on a mostly plant-based vegan diet based on my my food allergies being allergic to gluten soy and Dairy so um being desperate when you have cancer um I I listened and I did it the right way which um I really want to emphasize that you know that there's like a right way to do vegan but I didn't just live on salads which I think in the Daily Mail there are some comments saying that like oh she lived on salads and vegetables it's like no I did it the right way I did it Whole Foods plant Bas no processed foods but the problem was that for several years of of following this this regimen um I only got sicker and I didn't get better um and following about five years after my breast cancer diagnosis um I had to have a another surgery because I was having all this inflammation in my uh thoracic cardio thoracic area so I had to have a rib removal top left rib for thoracic outlet syndrome and going through that surgery it put such a stress on my body that it unlocked more neurological issues um I started having uh issues where where I was passing out and I was fainting and I couldn't stand up for longer than 15 minutes and the doctors didn't really know what was going on because they kept saying it's not the surgery and at that point I just knew that I had every neurological condition her neurological diagnosis um and it let led me to finding out that I had had a underlying lime disease infection for over 30 years oh and um and it was destroying my body little by little I just didn't know that at the time and um I finally got diagnosed in February 2021 and and at the same time I you know I'm over here making all my meals from scratch still trying to do the best I can for my body but I developed something called Mass Cell Activation Syndrome and histamine intolerance which is very common for lime but unfortunately um the vegetables and fruit and the starch and all the things that I was trying to eat was just actually destroying my body and I got down to like 89 pounds and um and I just remember thinking to myself like if the doctors are you know I have these Western medicine doctors who are telling me that they are um you know that this was unfortunately going to be the prognosis of the rest of my life that I was just going to have to manage this and I just remember looking at them saying if this is how my life is going to be and I've going have to manage this for the rest of my life I truly don't think I'm going to have much of a life left long longer because I this is going to kill me I mean I was going into anaphylactic shock like several times a week I I barely could eat at that point because my PTSD was so high I was afraid anything I put in my mouth was just going to set me off um and I basically got down to just eating meat and I remember thinking to myself do people survive on me I don't even know if this is a thing um but I started I I did a Google search saying can I survive on meat and I found I found all of these these you know stories about people eating meat and this was back in February 2021 um and I then found some other carnivores who were very kind and helpful but just eating meat though wasn't enough for me um because I didn't so I had like learn about histamine and um and what was going on with my body with histamine and that's you know I called over 500 farms and found a farm in Illinois called Billy dough meat and between the relationship I created with them they became my Pharmacy and I really only consumed their meat for you know I mean I'm still only consuming their meat but I don't have to you know I have I have more flexibility but at that time that meat was my medicine and um it took me from a place of being very fragile and weak to a place of strength and stability and gave me my life back and I will say that like I will scream it from the top of the roof rooftops um you know I I said like I I thought I was going to die really I mean I was so sick and I mean I had to use my dog my dog had to teach me how to walk because I couldn't walk um I couldn't stand up longer than 15 minutes without fainting and having reaction after reaction going to the hospital living on IVs the doctors wanted to put me on tpn I said I said no um and so here I am today um you I'm still you know still 100% carnivore I only eat ruminant meat salt water that's it um and I I feel vibrant and I have my life back I have my energ levels back I hike I do yoga things that I never thought I could do again and that just fills my heart with so much joy and that's been my mission is just to turn my pain into purpose and really help others do the same yeah well that's amazing I'm so glad to hear that um thank you so so when when did you sort of make so you sort of just defaulted into a meat only diet out of of necessity yeah how how long ago was that February 2021 so almost almost three or yeah almost three years yeah wow that's great and and since then has have the other issues like the you know Mass Cell Activation Syndrome and and the eosinophilic esophagitis has that cleared up as well or you still with those it has um I think because I'm still eradicating some of the the lime infection um so sometimes I'll get a little bit of a flare up here and there but I have not really needed any like Mass cell stabilizers um and if I do have a little bit of a flare up it's it's not like it's food related it's more so oh I maybe pushed myself too much but then my you know I have family that tells me like well you did more than you know you're you did more than most people would do so that's the thing I like I pushed my envelope a lot so if I have a flare up it's mostly because I pushed myself maybe maybe I walked six I should have maybe hiked five miles instead of eight miles you know um but no I don't really have those those episodes anymore and um you know that right there has been it's been a blessing for me to just be able and the Simplicity of it too I I should also add made my life especially when I was super sick and I couldn't even chop a vegetable at that point I couldn't even stand over a over a stove um just being able to have a Simplicity of not having to think because when you're you know when you are in that that state of fighting for your life the last thing you want to think about is what am I going to eat today what what vegetable am i g to g to chop or am I going to make um and especially from someone who loves to cook it was really hard for me to to not be able to cook um but it actually was for me Another Blessing was I didn't have to think anymore I could just go to my freezer pull out what I needed eat you know put it in my stove or on my instant pot or my on my oven like it just made my life so much so much easier and personally I still love having that convenience because I do have a busier life now that I'm keeping up with and I don't have time to sit there and make recipes I I love just being able to say hey I'm just going to eat this piece of meat today and I feel amazing and it's it's like medicine right like our food it should be our like our medicine yeah I mean that was that was one of the original statements whether it was actually hypocrates who said it or just attributed to him it said you know let food be thy medicine and Medicine thy food and and another thing also attributed to hypocrates was you know before you cure someone ask them if they're willing to give up the thing that's making them sick yeah and yes so true most of the you know our natural state of being should be one of Health you know animals right healthy or they die they get eaten by something you know and so you know we we have come about the same way and we should have that that in inborn health as well so something's going wrong either we have a you know major genetic issue and that's you that's a thing or we're doing something to ourselves you know our environment is affecting us and afflicting Us in some sort of way and we just need to sort of figure that out because that's that's not normal it's not normal to be so so unwell that um you know you're having anop plaxis you know a few times a week I mean that's uh terrifying I mean to say the least yeah I mean were you having to be hospitalized multiple times because of this absolutely yeah um I've been in so many ambulances and I've been picked up in restaurants um because of and you know I really thought it was cross contamination but when I really look at it I think it was really the plants this old time you know and um I think something that I really learned was um solicit about solicits and I think it's a very it's a topic that I don't really read much about or hear much about you hear a lot about plant oxalates and histamine but for me solicits were was like the worst for me um you know which is just another uh property of of certain plants um because those reactions my whole face would get red and my hands would get bright red and I couldn't breathe it would really affect my lungs which sounds like very similar to a histamine but my histamine when I would get a his like a severe hisp reaction I would have hives versus just like flushing and redness and teic cardia and I it I mean I feel like it was probably a combination of everything but it but I really once I really understood that everything I was eating that um was low histamine because I I put myself on a low histamine paleo diet when all of this started happening and then when that wasn't working I started noticing oh it's the solicit and then when that then it was the oxit I'm like what's happening because like I said like back then like I didn't know what I knew now and um I was gonna make a t-shirt at the time saying I eat meat because plants tried to kill me yeah yeah nice good shirt right in so I have one that says meat heals yeah well that's definitely more PC but yeah yeah well you know they they sort of did yeah yeah they did you you know and uh well I'm glad that they didn't I'm glad you you sort of found this out it is always interesting how people you know come come to this but in general it's it's always you know from from trying to get better and heal something and and and you know just just get better health you know we're all we're all trying to be healthy people mostly some people right care but most people do and and they're trying to do the right thing for their body and their family and we just get torn in so many different directions but you know more and more people are finding this which is which is really good to see so I'm glad that you you figured that out on your own not not everyone does you know no I know and um I mean I'm really grateful I had a lot of support from from my family um but something that I noticed was that if I was with friends their family would make it the topic of their of their conversation about why I don't eat why I don't eat vegetables or plants and made it more of an issue than than my own family did which I thought was was really interesting um but I love to empower and educate so I was I never mind I never mind talking about it or sharing my story but it is interesting to see how many people can't wrap their head around not eating plants and that you know there's no way that that anybody could survive and and I said well you're right um not that where I'm not surviving I'm thriving yeah yeah that's the goal I feel like I was surviving before eating foods that I loved that didn't really love me back um but that's but now it's like I get to eat foods that I love that do love me back it's kind of like being in a bad relationship you know and I really think that a lot of people you know were were in you know it's just like being in like like I said bad relationships where we're stuck loving somebody and then trying to fight and argue that this person's good for us and it's like no they're maybe they're not same thing with food we really have to get Discerning on what we're allowing into our bodies and you know if you're if you're bloated if you're if you're not feeling great if you're feeling tired after you're eating it's time to take a deeper look at why you're not feeling so great after after you consume something yeah definitely and you know having that insight as well you know if you're just not feeling well and trying to trying to you know match it up to something you know there there are a lot of people that are you know long-term Eaters of whatever vegans vegetarians or just just a normal standard diet that they think is a healthy diet I I see a lot of people in the clinic they come in and you know they're unwell they're overweight and they have a lot of you know metabolic issues and you know you talk to them about diet and they say and and you ask them okay you know so how's your diet and they say oh I eat pretty well I eat pretty well it's like okay what does that mean to you and it's different but it's generally you know they eat a lot of fruits and vegetables and eat low fat and they avoid red meat like I would be side of that you know and yeah yeah just it's always funny um you know what people think is is is the most healthy diet it's always obviously very different but that's generally about what it is and and then not understanding that eating that way has has actually caused a lot of harm I mean there there people there was that poor young woman who was like a frugivore raw food vegan influencer sort of thing you know and she was um you know very pretty young lady and just got skinnier and skinnier and sicker and sicker and she eventually died presumably of malnutrition that's what her family said anyway but obviously um you know that's not the official record but um very unfortunate that poor little thing couldn't figure out that her body was breaking down because she just was convinced this is the best diet ever so obviously it's something else and this this will pull me through um I had a a a gentleman who's become a friend of of mine who has done some of my my challenges I've sort of helped him out and he was same thing so he was vegan and raw and it was getting worse and so he went okay I'll go raw food vegan and then she just kept upping the antie thinking like this will get me better this will be the healthier thing got worse and worse and eventually he was so sick and he was so debilitated and neurologically damaged that he couldn't really walk he was bedridden and he was just s of in bed and people were sort of caring for him and he was using his phone and doing things and then one day he woke up and his his neurological issues had progressed so far that he actually couldn't work his phone with his hand and that's when it with him like I'm I'm my diet is killing me like I need I need to change this and um thankfully you know he had that Epiphany and was able to start eating meat went full Karma went from you know full on vegan to full carnivore just overnight and he started healing amazing you know he's he's going out he's going on walks he's doing exercise he's doing rehab um he's fixing neurological issue he was on dialysis you know he destroyed his kidneys he's like you know he's in his early 30s and his kidneys are shot and he's doing dialysis and um he's starting to get better his kidney function is starting to improve he urine you know which is not supposed to happen that's supposed to go the other way so you know know it's it's wonderful to see that but you have to have that insight as well and not everyone does oh my gosh and that like when I was losing so much weight I was so like I was so at a loss right and I remember my doctors telling me to eat ice cream like I don't care what you what you eat eat ice cream get you know if if you can stomach some donuts or cupcakes or you know we just need to get those calories up just not Ste right right that's I was like no not one time did they say eat a steak um and I was eating when I was eating meat you know I was eating chicken and I wasn't feeling so great after that so that was why I I didn't really think I could I mean I yes like that I love steak but if I ate a steak it was you know maybe like a palm you know the the standard size a palm I don't even know what that means anymore made up but um but yeah I would eat you know like a little bit of a steak but mostly if I could stomach down any any protein it would be like a a chicken thigh or a chicken wing but it would be boneless and skinless because that was what the low histamine diet entailed was no skin you know keep the fats low and and like I said and in between that and trying to trying to do what like trying to do my own research and do what I what I I thought was best based on my doctor's requirements and what he wanted and we were trying to get my my calories up and I mean I lived on on vegan and gluten-free Donuts from a local bakery and I was still dropping weight like crazy just because I didn't know that I had had Lyme disease and I didn't know that here I'm feeding all I was doing was just basically just feeding the spets and giving them food I wasn't really giving myself any food so all of these I mean sugars we already know sugar is bad but again everybody in my around me was just trying to get me well but no one ever brought me a steak and said eat this like try this um and it really wasn't until that I was like I I I'm I'm gonna like I'm gonna die I I don't know what to do um and I started reacting to more and more plants that I just said I guess here we are I'm going to just live on chicken so I didn't again because it was so anti-ed meat until I started realizing that chicken just made me feel terrible and it wasn't until I started just eating ruminant Meats which I remember specifically it was June so I started carnivore in February 20121 and then by June 2021 so maybe five months later I stopped chicken and I just went to only red meat and and I've only eaten red meat um you know beef lamb goat ve venison has been those have been my my sources and I've just never turned back yeah nice so is that is that what you're eating now just mostly red meat or can you tolerate other things as well I only eat red meat yeah um I haven't really introduced tried introducing other carnivore foods like eggs or chicken or or pork um I have mixed feelings about it um I like I think it would be nice to to just see if I could tolerate some eggs or some pork but I just feel so good with eating red meat that I don't I like I don't feel like there's an absolute need to bring those back into my diet because like to me red meat is king So why why settle for for Less you know if I'm going to only like I eat two meals a day so if I'm going to eat two meals I want to to feel sub you I want it to be substantial um and eggs and chicken never really made me feel substantial like or or satiated really I I just always felt a little little tired and don't really think they're that all that great they can be very inflammatory if you don't get it from a great source yeah yeah very true and obviously with your sensitivities you have to be a bit more careful um absolutely yeah I've sort of naturally gone that direction myself not because I have you know medical conditions that I that I need to avoid but I I same thing I just feel best when I eat right right yeah hey everyone if you need a little extra help getting started on a carnivore diet and my online resources that I have for free are enough for you you can go to www.how to carnivore decom and sign up for our 30-day carnivore challenge where you'll have online Resources Group support weekly Zoom meetings as well as the ability to chat live with myself Simon Lewis and the others in the challenge who can help you and support you and give you extra advice and help you along the way so if that sounds like something that would be beneficial to you then please go to howto carnivore all right thanks guys we'll see you there and so you know that's why I just sort of that's my preference and um yeah so that's really good so you were saying as well um that in your line of work there's still a lot of plant-based sort of feelings and ideology as well is that still going on or is that how's you know how how is that navigating that um that situation well I kind of I you know you see a lot in the spiritual community of you know vegan plant-based yoga retreats they're all vegan based and um personally I've never actually been to one because of that um I even when I was play Bas I never went mostly because I I could I had I always had you know after I had breast cancer I I did have sensitivities to a lot of different foods in general and um so I never actually would would go on these spiritual Retreats but I just remember every time I would look it was at the menu or um you know even outside of the Retreats I would talk to to people about my practice and you know everybody at the time because this is 10 years ago this is like I started my practice back and shortly after I I um healed from breast cancer I I got into becoming a a Wy raiki practitioner and I started a holistic Mind Body Soul uh healing practice in Los Angeles and kind of it's It's evolved a lot since then but I but I still feel it you know even though it's evolved in world is changing and becoming more um more aware and spiritually aware about the benefits of eating meat I still get a lot of that dogma of oh well if you do yoga and if you're you know into this into spiritual healing you have to eat plants and you you have to be vegan or vegetarian and you're not spiritual if you're if you're if you're not eating these things and I like I I I thought to myself you know why is it then for me personally and I'm I'm speaking from s from my my own perspective was that when I would have those days that I would eat vegan and you know meat free I felt terrible after my especially terrible after my sessions um I had no like I had no life force it felt like the energy would be drained from me and and so I started eating burgers before um before my sessions and I felt amazing afterwards and um I joke about that I said you know why are we why are we saging our homes when we could be staking our homes you cooking the Stak and like you know staging our like stage like I'd rather stake myself than stage myself yeah um but but it is definitely something that I I still I still hear about in the in the spiritual Community but I've also kind of been trying to make it my mission to you know spread a carnivore Revolution and hopes that it catches on that we could we could all be benefiting from even if you're not eating 100% meat we all be benefiting from eating more meat and specifically red meat especially in the spiritual Community yeah and well so have you been able to influence people and or your clients and others to to try this or how's that gone yes um absolutely so um I've created these programs around healing and um been targeting a lot more and more um clients that have like Lyme disease mold s chronic illness um it's kind of where my focus has been going through and um of just because it's something that I'm so passionate about right now so I've been attracting more of that but I I know before I even start working with with my clients the first thing I ask them is what's your diet and it's something I never really really asked before I mean we would we would lightly talk about it but now it's something that it's the first to me it's the first level of foundation of healing um because we can't really we can't really heal unless we are properly giving ourselves the like the best source of of nutrition um because we need to regulate our nervous system with and food specifically meat and fat are going to help help you do that and so now it's something that I really work with my clients and I understand that everybody's at a different level you know know not everybody can just Dive Right into being a strict carnivore but it's something that I make a it's like it's the focus point at this this point um I you know we either it's either animal-based ketovore you know we get I find where they are in their Journey um I've had a few clients that were also plant-based I've even had some people that were suffering with Alpha gal because because of lime and um I've helped them not only heal using other foods that they maybe wouldn't have thought about like ostrich and alpaca and llama which are red meats that are that are not um how or you know yeah lamb go you know they are in the uh they're not they're not part of that and I actually found a farm in I believe it was Kentucky that was created by people that had Alpha gal um so so I definitely make make meat and a carnivore diet a a really strong focal point um in my practice and I have seen it work wonders and you know I I kind of say like if if you're not willing you know I I I with all respect if you're not willing to at least incorporate more animal protein and fat in your diet I don't think that we are a good fit to work with each other because I'm not here to I'm here to educate Empower and help you and be there to support you but um I have found when I've tried to work with vegans it's it's really hard to to heal someone who's not willing to do the groundwork of at least trying to incorporate you know you have to meet me halfway um so I really just like to focus on you know found like laying that Foundation of nutrition but also um regulating the the nervous system by by reconnecting our mind our body our emotions our spirit and allowing that to have a like allowing ourselves to have that safe space to heal which I think is super important yeah definitely and yeah again going back to the hpoc hypocrates thing you know you can't heal someone if they're not willing to give up the thing that's making them sick so it makes perfect sense you know that you you need to you need to work with people that are that are willing to let you help them yeah exactly yeah that's crazy about the uh Alpaca Farm in Kentucky I hadn't heard about that didn't know that alpaca was save on Alf and gal so that that actually yeah major concerns of mine I remember when I was when I was getting you know into this and I was just feeling so good and it was like sort of a couple years into it and then all of a sudden this lone star tick thing came out and I was like I cannot I cannot be anywhere near where tick is like I can't I can't do this I can't go back I'm not I'm not doing that um obviously it's only certain meats you know you can you can still eat a lot of other meats but I that freaked me out at first you didn't know it was just like meat you were allergic to meat I'm like can't do that I'll just I I will die like I can't no I'm not and uh you know may have to you know if I run into trouble may have to track down an alpaca Farm or something or make one and totally yeah that's F I am no sorry go I was say I was I was really scared when I was reacting to everything that I had alha gal and so um I I went and got blood tested for it and then I also got food allergy like IG tested or IG or I think it's something um tested for it just to make sure that I didn't have Alpha gown that I wasn't allergic to ruminate meat and that um it was purely just I needed to focus on lowering my histamine bucket which is how I found um Billy do meets and how I found the alaca farm that's fun I yeah have you noticed people because I I've I've heard from others such I believe Dr Barry said this that the alpha gal syndrome only lasts temporary so that that's what I've I've heard but I don't know um what other people have had experiences with have you have you seen people recover from that and be able to start eating more normally again oh yeah oh yeah um I I find that it definitely has will help once you start reversing the other symptoms it's usually one of the last symptoms to leave um it's for some people I've I've seen them reverse it within a year or two years um some people I've seen it still be chronic I think it just depends on on your genetics and um and just also how like how late were you diagnosed and um and just how like how effective were your treatments because with lime it's such a crazy battle like everybody has a different story a different recovery some people go on for years without having any significant difference um even with treatment so it's you know but the people that I have that I've helped personally um they are eating red meat like they're eating mammals again and um so so I've definitely I've seen both sides um but I've only but I've worked with people that have reversed it but I've I've heard that people haven't just through the forums on you know Facebook or you know the the lime the lime support groups that are with people that are still struggling yeah oh well that's good that there's there's some hope there because that I think that's freaked out a lot of people in the carnival oh yeah yeah and we alpaca yeah yeah alpaca um I think that what's interesting though is that it's becoming more and more talked about now about alha G and which I thought was interesting because I've been hearing about alfha even before it was carnivore and um I don't know if it's just becoming just like a a like a topic of conversation because it's just people are talking about it more or is it really becoming more common and I'm wondering why like that that's the question question that I've been really curious about lately just why why are we talking about it more now I mean it was a big thing before um but maybe it's just affecting more people now but but why is it affecting more people what is it what are they doing what's going on yeah definitely like why is it why is it why is it just coming up now right when impossible burgers and things like that just you know happen to be on the market I don't know right right like well presumably this is this is not like a new mutation it would have been right population and you know people would react like this before and there should be you it should have been sort of stable numbers of this you know going back you know just like Lyme disease it's it's uncommon but it's but it's there and it's it's um it's something that we see in the population has been described for many years and it's probably who knows but it's it's probably a consistent level um and then with Alpha gal it's getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse maybe it's just people being more aware and they're getting more diagnoses that can happen um but it is a bit strange and you have you know the people the the anti meat people because they say it's just you know animals somehow that have existed for hundreds of millions of years are now destroying the planet for all the other animals I guess and um and and they're saying that we we should try to know genetically modify people and make them allergic to meat so they're not allow they can't eat meat they're physically you know repulsed and and damaged by eating meat so that they don't do it and they reference Alpha Gala well like this this is it's a good thing we should do more of that and so okay do you want to are you talking about like releasing more ticks and you know getting this out there or trying to genetically modify people or you just you know just brainstorming you know things to for your like your Hitler costume for for Halloween you know like because I mean this stuff is is next level James Bond villain you know Hitler evil you know you're you're trying to you genetically manipulate the entire population in order to um bring about you know you what you think utopian idea is like that's that's what Hitler did I mean you know if you if you read a lot of these historical accounts he wasn't going like yes we're going to bring about evil and destruction he thought he was doing the right thing or his Twisted views on what was right and so you know these people are doing the same thing and and that's the thing that's why you have to that's why you have to let people make their own decisions because you let people go in power they say well I'm doing this for your good okay maybe that turns out well maybe it doesn't but the odd are against you that it's going to be a good thing most of the time people just make make their own decisions they don't get it and if you have people making decisions which they pay no consequences then you're going to make you're going to get bad decisions no one makes it no one makes better decisions than than when they're running their own life if it's like if it's like okay I need to make a decision you know and this and this could cost me my job this could cost me my livelihood this could cost me my house I need to really think about this maybe you make the wrong decision but you're the one paying the co the price and like that's fine that's it's your ass you made the decision you deal with the consequence problem comes is when you have other people that make make the decision make the mistake and millions of people billions of people pay the price for it and they pay no consequence they pay no price for it you can't have that happen so yeah I don't know why why the numbers are increasing I do get suspicious I'm I'm a bit more cynical as I go as I get older I started out pretty cynical but I um I just don't I just don't trust anything anymore and um you know I don't I'm not I'm not saying that anyone's doing this but if it came out I'm not going to be shocked you know it's just I'll just I'll just see what happens and see what unfolds and in the meantime just try to do my own thing but uh it's very strange it is same I I mean everything that you that you just said as been something that I've been so passionate about and I've been thinking about and like you said I I can't make any any claims but if this came out I wouldn't be shocked and um because the other thing I mean it's not only making us more afraid of eating meat but it's also making afraid to go outside and where we also is like need to what we also need to be doing we need to get the sunshine we need to be going out and the putting our feet in the earth and and spending time in nature I mean that's also part of our our Med our medicine right um movement out you know just um and there are so many people that and I I hear it too it's like I won't go outside you know because that you know nature tried to kill me and you know I don't want to get bit by another tick and and it's like I I I mean I I specifically get it like I understand the fear but what are you going to do stay inside stay on our on our screens you know have more screen time have more blue light exposure not get fresh air um these are really important and if we keep fear mongering with the the alpha gal and you know the tick it's like we're all just going to be condemned to our house and we're just GNA be living on our own lockdown and that lockdown yeah might be in our house but it's really just it's internal um and then to see all this lab grown meat and people eating crickets and um bugs and the um beyond meat possible meat I'm like okay why are we making meat to or fake meat to taste like real meat with a thousand ingredients and saying that's good for us especially with all those seed oils um but you know and when we're feeding that to the PO to the to the public and saying that this is this is the right way but you know so it's like stay in your house stay away from from Red me um don't um you know Beware of the ticks but you know eat these these plants it's like like I don't know I just not that I'm trying to like go into like this conspiracy theory but I just I felt like we've been poisoned like we've all been reprogrammed we like been living in this Matrix um and until you actually step out of the Matrix and start doing what nature intended you to do which was you know eat a proper diet and getting proper exercise and getting proper sunlight and you know really receiving nutrition not just from from your food but from your environment with fresh air grounding nature movement that's when you're really that's like that's when I truly started to heal and I believe that to be true for for everybody not just not just me I'm not you know I'm not special I just went with my body I just started working with my own body's Rhythm and how I was created versus what Man 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dollars at stake and you know they want that and you know we're spending trillions of dollars on processed food and sugar and all that sort of nonsense and we're spending trillions more dollars on Health Care in order to treat all the problems that come from eating that stuff and so you know the those interests are obviously very vested in continuing that and propagating that if people get healthy uh they get healthy by not eating that so they stop eating that so they lose you know billions trillions um off lost revenue of the sales and then they get healthy so they don't need all the you know the the medications and and um and Medical Practice to bolster them up and just keep them from falling apart so I think that's amazing I think that would be an amazing thing and and I think all these people that are making these drugs and making these foods and all these sorts of things I mean it takes it takes a lot of brain power it takes a lot of research to try to do that stuff imagine taking all that money all those trillions of dollars all that brain power and actually putting it towards something useful right as opposed to just making crap and then you know you know you know having an ad agency you really push this out to people make it really addictive and Sensational and um and uh and all the pharmaceutical companies and you know medical you know equipment companies having them having them work towards actual curing actual things that actually exist you know and um you know all those people are very smart all these scientists and researchers very brilliant people have worked their asses off in school and academ to be able to do this this sort of research and and come up with new amazing things but they're coming up with drugs that don't need to be there because they're treating a problem that doesn't need to exist if you just eat a proper diet this goes away so wouldn't they be better suited towards working towards actual problems um that's a problem though you know I think was Goldman saxs who said at at some sort of you know meeting that they were having I don't know if it was a St olders meeting or what but it was leaked out saying that that sort of asked the question you know is it is it a a good economic model is it a good business plan to cure diseases you know or better to just treat the symptoms of disease and let them perpetuate that is pure evil you know you you're talking about allowing someone to continue suffering not someone talking about Millions of people hundreds of millions of people saying we could try to cure this or we can just perpetuate it and profit from you for the rest of your life or instead of focusing on things we think we can cure focus on things that we don't think we can cure but we can just Band-Aid it and then charge you now be one thing to say okay we'll have a couple of these things in there so that there'll be the revenue generators and then we'll go working on the things that we can cure but they didn't really say that and so I think that that's that's actually quite evil um to try and perpetuate a state of misery and disease and suffering for your own and that and if you're selling food that you know causes these sorts of diseases I mean you're poisoning people right I mean I mean we used to do things to poisoners go and poison a well and things like that people get sick or die um there was something that happened to them they got a blindfold in the cigarette and they stood in front of a sunny wall uh for a little while and then they were gone so you know those sorts of things um I think are evil and if you can if you can show something that CI means has been doing uh which I think has been just fantastic he's been sort of a whistleblower this industry saying you know they know that that their food caused disease they cause metabolic issuesa metabolic syndrome cause diabetes cause all these problems or killing people and all these sorts of things they know this um and I know they know this because I've been in the boardroom meetings with them talking about it and so that's malice of forethought I believe you know you're saying okay we know this harms people let's keep doing it okay now you're harming people you're knowingly harming people right so you I mean how is this not a crime okay hey it is a crime it is a crime how are these people not being taken down and prosecuted and um you know if you if you there you know if you're if you're able to prove that I think you have to prosecute these people they'll never be prosecuted never because they own too many politicians and senators and governors and all these sorts of things they never it's just going be oh well you know they're going to get like a slap on the wrist or some fines or something like that you it's like the tobacco companies they knew this stuff was killing people you know you know product is killing people and yet you say let's keep it out there and they they're covering it up and and you know committing fraud um covering covering up the fact that their their their product kills people and causes serious harm disease and um they knew that and then we get the the documents of them saying they knew that and what happens does anybody go to jail does anybody go you know for criminal neglect or or for assault for murder for you know Slaughter on a on a genocidal scale no it's just like okay we're going to find you uh 400 billion doll or whatever they ended up getting fined um that's a crime that that's an actual crime against humanity these people knowingly put out a product that they knew was harming people and they knew was killing people how how are we how are we pretending that that's not a crime U that people should be prosecuted for and probably executed for I don't get it you hit the nail on the head I again I I think about this stuff every day I mean it's something that I can't wrap my head around and especially being that I was a person that that lived in in the hospital Hospital especially when I had cancer um and just of course back then I was I was just doing what I what I thought what I thought I knew what I had to do because I couldn't that time I didn't I didn't know what I didn't know and I I wasn't all I was doing was just looking to to get well and that's what's so sad is that there are desperate people out there that are doing whatever they can to fight for their lives and they think that they're doing the right thing because their doctors told them to eat this food or they'll be in the hospital and you know I remember being on my oncology floor and um it see the the person walking around giving cookies and sugar to everybody that's getting chemo and I was like okay well I'm not at that point I I mean like I'm not you know I might not be really in a place right now to because I I wasn't a practitioner back then and I wasn't all I was doing was just fighting for my life but I'm like is this right like should we getting cookies right now like doesn't sugar I was smart enough to know that Sugar feeds cancer cells M so why are we giving everybody cookies and you know telling you know them that you they should be eating with these Foods when when all of that turns to Sugar into glucose and we we know that sugar and you know elevated glucose levels um feed cancer El so so why is it that that we're that we're doing that and or you know these doctors are doing that and I remember being in the hospital after my myectomy and um like oh my gosh I after having inlex you know they're always they have to bring you food to make sure you eat and you know you just look at the ingredients of the foods that they're they're eating and it's just it's all highly processed it's all high and not even sugar but like like corn syrup and fructose corn syrup high fructose corn syrup and dyes and colorings and preservatives and nitrates and these things that shouldn't even be legal and in fact you know just with the FDA and the U you know and US regulations is that we allow food ingredients and that most countries banned and I I mean even our McDonald's not that McDonald's is great but McDonald's has ingredients in our country that other countries especially like the UK has banned and I'm just wondering why they're doing that and it's hard not to think like again they just want us sick and dumb and um they just you know and they they want control just is how I feel it's like there's just so much it's so much more to it it's you know giving up our control if we give our control up to these to Big Pharma um we're we're no longer you know and if we give up our control and we um become these come patients of big Pharma then you know they'll always have control over us but if we learn how to heal ourselves you know then we're ultimately going to crash big Pharma like there's there's there's really no way way around it I mean and I think that more and more people need to start taking back their power from this billion dooll industry and start healing themselves and start you know really seeking truth because there's there's a lot of lies that are happening and desperate people who are sick are believing them and all it's doing is just creating a hamster wheel you know people are just going around in circles um and it's really sad because I see it every day um you know people that come to me my practice it's the same thing it's they they tell me what they're doing and I I it's like first it's this and then it's this and then it's this and it's like well let's just stop and take a breath and look at where seems like every time you know people go three steps ahead they go five steps backwards and it's because we're just it's like it's a it's a pattern you know it's like we're following this this pattern and trying to Contin continuously listen to these doctors that really have no idea you know um and it's just really sad yeah and you know it is it's it's one of those things to you know so many different sayings in throughout history you you keep people ignorant you keep them under control and you keep them if you keep them malnourished you know then then they can't fight back and rebel and this used to be more more of an issue when when people have physical rebellions and things like that so um you know Great Britain did it for a long time you know just with their own peasant class you know their surfs they weren't really allowed to meet and same with the Irish from the British um India as well and and many many many other examples so this isn't this isn't a new boy right you know right you know pushing pushing um you know plants and things like that or forcing it know the Romans would cut off the meat Supply when people get up at e and then they start handing out bread and put on circuses so we we all know the r bread and circuses you know Peas the masses but they don't tell you the other side of that which they cut off meat Supply and there were there were you know even um you know to touch on other sorts of issues um there was a an ancient Greek uh city state I can't remember the name of it but I remember um Professor Victor Davis Hansen from Stanford at the Uber institution at Stanford talking about it and he was saying that there was a the there's an invading King he took over and what he did was he basically executed all the men and all the you know you know older boys of fighting age and he as an edict that all the young boys that they didn't kill had to be dressed in as women like put in dresses and and raised as women and the reason was to you know you know um eminate the um the the men so that they didn't grow up to be you know guys that could could mount a rebellion against him so that just sort of give him gave him another generation of Separation uh before you know anyone would start looking around and so you know it was um it's a bit funny how these things uh sort of replicate and through cities again in ancient Greece talked about how there was a you know Civil War sort of between between a city state and he was marveling he like they're they're changing the definition of words you know order to push their political ideals it's like what the hell is going on they're literally changing the meaning of words now we're seeing that all the time you know that word doesn't mean that anymore have you told Oxford because they might want they might want to know and so true you know and so you know there there are all these tactics and um you read different things uh you know by sols Nan um you know the gulag archipelago you read friederick Hayek um the road to serum and they and they call it like Telegraph is like this is what you look out for these are the things that that happen um Theodore do rmle writes about it a lot he's in England and um you know and and Thomas Sol as well so you they're telegraphing they saying hey look these are the things to look out for and and if you if you read this stuff and you're looking around you're like this is all in the Playbook this is everything everything going on right now is exactly what's been said or you you read sa alinsky's uh you know 12 rules for communist radicals and this is this is like this is what you do to tear down a free society and impose a Communist Regime and you have a lot of people that they're saying we're open trained we're trained marxists and this is what we do we want to bring about a Marxist regime and they like and people are not batting an eye at that it's like they're doing the exact things that are that are set out in this um you know in the these dossier it's uh it gets people killed causes huge distress and and and um and that's the plan you know you destroy the family you destroy uh the community you get people weakened get them beholden on the government um and you and you uh tear away everything that could keep them as a as a as a as a um as an individual who can take care of their own life and live their own lives and um self-sufficient individual and then once you get to that point you've torn down Society then you get to rebuild it in your own image and and be in charge and and then it just really Goes to Hell very quickly I mean there's that's been every single time every single time in every single country throughout history and it's not a New Concept you know communism Is Not A New Concept uh it's totalitarianism it's um you know the aristocracy you have certain people people in control they own everything used to be the crown the crown owned everything this is the you know the king's deer the king's woods and uh you own nothing and now it's like oh it's 2030 you own nothing and you love it I don't actually thank you very much because if if we don't own anything someone does that's what they that's what people aren't aren't Hearing in that sentence but you don't anything you we own everything you don't own anything because we own everything and so that is what they're doing they they're megalomaniacs trying to put themselves in as World rulers owning everything including the people involved and you know it's it's it's just going back to the same system um that that have existed throughout history um somebody's in charge they've locked in their Authority they've locked in their power their magistrates get to benefit from this system and everyone else is oppressed and enslaved it's not a great system it's not very nice and so it's um it's something that people need to recognize and just push back against and I think people are especially in this movement when we see this because like we're being lied to being controlled being manipulated what else is going on and so that's right you know and so seeing more of that and I think you know more people are eating properly and their brains are working better and they're asking critical questions about like why are you guys doing this you I think that that only be good and helpful and so hopefully that continues to grow until we hit a point of no return which can happen absolutely I feel that so strongly I think that you know when we nourish our bodies and we're eating the right foods and we're giving us giving ourselves proper nourishment like it wakes a part of you up like my mental Clarity and the way that I think and the way that I um believe like my beliefs everything has shifted once I got to the level of sickness unfortunately that's what it took me to to come to this but once I really started questioning everything including the foods I was eating um and also just treating the lime and and not wanting to do antibiotics or anything like that um because again that was something that I I just felt really strongly I was like I I can't treat this disease with antibiotics this is this is not this is not um it's too far I mean if it was maybe an acute infection sure but this is chronic and I don't want to destroy my immune system even more than it already already is I want to teach my immune system how to fight for itself and so I'm going to give it everything it needs to be supported and um but really questioning it questioning these things even like medicines that they wanted to give me and I I really think that um we need to really take a step back when it comes to putting anything in our body or on our body or you know around our body need to just take a step back and think about what is what it actually is doing to us and if it's not doing something for us um then we really need to start thinking about why do we feel like we need this in the first place when which is what I you know often hear is like well I I can't give up can't give up sugar I can't I could never do your diet because I can't give up plants I can't give up sugar I can't I you know I think it would be sad if I could never drink you know another um pooke or another coffee which I I I don't I have not had coffee in over 10 years but I understand that that's like but these are crutches right like MH where these are not HS like we're not these are just emotional crutches that we have been so programmed especially through marketing I mean look at commercials like how they Market these these products um and what they are convincing everybody of thinking that that these are necessities and they're not you don't we don't need these things we need to change our relationship is what we need we need to change our relationship these things and with the foods that we're we're eating and and and really just wake up and and realize that these things that you think you need are in fact what's killing you what's hurting you yeah and like if you really break that down and and think about it like why are we allowing toxicities in our lives and what good does that does that come for us I mean we all want to live our best lives so why can't we like you said with like hypocrates like so why can't we remove the things that are impacting that and I um I don't know about you but I often will get like uh someone will say this to me and sometimes it gets in my head and I have to be mindful of it but people say to me well you know I don't know how you could never eat like you know a plate of pasta or like I don't know how you could just never never eat like a piece of cake like that would just be so sad to me and I like I get these projections from people or you know if I never could eat like a cupcake ever again like that would just break my heart and I like have to take a step back and say well you know that sounds that might be your story but it's not your truth and it's not my truth um because what was really sad what was really sad was that I was in a hospital bed almost every single day what's really sad is that I never thought I could walk again um I lost my driver's license for a year and a half that was taken from me from my neurologists um because of my fainting episodes yeah that's really sad um I lost my relationship because of my illness um and then I was convinced that I was never going to be able to find another boyfriend again because I was projected that I was sick so sick that nobody you know would want me um that's sad um so so not being it's not even like I don't even look at not being able to eat something as a sadness I say I don't why would I want to poison myself with something that wasn't made for me um that said it's like you think about Romeo and Juliet they drank poison and they both died like that's that's sad um I so why would I want to consume something that was ultimately killing me yeah that doesn't make sense to me um but it's unfortunately a story that I hear a lot you know from people it's like probably the biggest statement I get is is you know I can't give up this or right you know and I just realized that we are all you know fighting some sort of food addiction I mean there's so much of it and it comes in so many different forms and just the emotional relationship that people have with food and culture and gatherings I mean I'm Italian I you know was raised Italian with and I you know love my Italian food but I hear they make really great stakes in Italy as well so you know yeah it's not it's it's really just we need to start changing the the way that we we emotionally connect to the food that we're eating and and look at it as something that is going to either heal us or kill us and for all I'm concerned is that we have been programmed to love the foods that are slowly killing us and resenting the foods that are supposedly like that are supposed to heal us and I think that's the saddest story that so many people are living right now and I just want to shake everybody up and say look like wake up look at your truth here how do you think that this is good how do you think that this is good for you don't you want to be better than than you know than you were the day before don't you want the best life live your best life and it starts with food definitely well hopefully more people be watching things like this and and following yourself and um and and finding that and realizing that they they can actually be healthy too uh Angela thank you so much for coming on it's been an absolute pleasure I'm really glad that that we had a chance to talk and and get your story out there and hopefully other people that are suffering with this with Lyme disease or with you know Mass Cell Activation Syndrome that's something that that comes up a lot you know people are suffering with this and um I I even know a couple we people with like esophagitis like is this going to help me and you know they try it and it does so um I think that's it's uh great that you were able to come on and be an inspiration to others and at least let them know that in your case it did help and so there's there's hope for them that it can help too so angel thank you very much for coming on thank you so much Dr chaffy for allowing me to share my story with you and to have this beautiful conversation um this has been such a pleasure chatting with you and um being able to you know continue my mission of turning my pain into purpose and helping people take back their power and and heal and heal themselves so thank you I really appreciate this oh you're very welcome um can you tell people uh where to find you and how they can can follow you absolutely um I actually have two um two Instagram accounts that you can follow me at um one is at it's Ando a NG g l e r r o 28 um and that actually is my personal Instagram that I share my journey from having breast cancer and through Lin and it's just you know more of like my personal Journey but if you're interested in more carnivore content and um my work as a practitioner and um if you love mey posts you can follow my carnivore Instagram account which is meat-based medium um and in both accounts I have links to my article on The Daily Mail you can also feel free to check out and read more of my story on right we'll put all that up in the uh show notes so people can find the links down there Angela thank you so much for coming on it's been a pleasure thank you so much Dr chaffy it's been a pleasure as well and um I will see you on the internet yeah definitely um for listening or for watching if you are thinking about doing a cornivore diet you can check out the video I did on uh getting started on a cornivore diet cornivore diet for beginners and that uh can help you get on your way uh to getting healthy so thanks everyone we'll see you next time and it was all about you know just being vegan and all that sort it's exact all all all the same nonsense that's been going on since 1800s you think this is a a novel book it's not it's it's 18 you know 150 years old basically and and and he tries to say oh you can you can get this you get he's saying that you you can convert ala into DHA and EPA but he doesn't tell you that it's like less than 1% conversion right you know and so the amounts that you would have to eat like you would literally explode and the amount of toxins and nonsense that would come with it or exem just impossible impossible to get you can't get these things without supplementation on a vegan diet you just can't