Why the Carnivore Diet Might Be the Key to a Longer, Healthier Life | Dr. Lisa Wiedeman

oh don't get old you know it all hit me when I turned 65 70 60 75 that's when it that's when it hits and I'm like no that's not when it's supposed to hit that's when that many decades of put putting in appropriate Foods especially in our current world with seed oils processed food grains sugars that's eventually what happens in our bodies it it starts to break down that stuff is inflammatory it's toxic and knowing the halflife of all of those seed oils being like 680 days I think is the the estimate of the halflife of that that's an awful long time to get that stuff out of your body even after you stop eating it so think what it's doing you know all these years in embedding in in our cells and it affects every organ system welcome to the plant-free and D podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining me for another episode of the plant-free MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest Dr Lisa Weidman who is an opthalmologist and a long-term carnivore uh Dr Wiman thank you so much for having me or for coming on on the podcast my pleasure um I am just really passionate to help get the word out I've been an eye doctor for over 33 years but that's really not my claim to fame in this all because I found zerocarb carnivore over 15 years ago and jumped in because I had um disordered eating I had uh a tendency to now that I I look back and realize I was addicted to sugar and carb so it has changed my life and now I see the the benefit not only for my patients with their eyes but people with depression and anxiety and just life changing you know so so I like to be a representative of the fact that this is sustainable it's very much sustainable yeah definitely so you came to this 15 years ago how did you even come across it at the time it was very it was little known there weren't like it wasn't like a big movement or anything at the time no it yeah it was very small it was you know it was um it was was actually really even before the big keto movement but it there was a low carb kind of side to it and of course Atkins had been around and out for quite a while but you know I would realized that if I stopped eating sugar and flour it had a very positive impact act but I realized I could also binge on fruit or you know other other things that didn't fall into that that category but I I so diligently persevered in my search to try to relieve um my my plate of not understanding why I was so driven to eat and overeat and um feel really compelled to um um yeah yeah just I I didn't understand it and I I couldn't figure out why I couldn't stop so like I said diligence persistence I came across on a just a internet web surfing kind of evening and a group called zeroing in on health that Charles Washington had uh they branched off of a low carb group that kicked them off this threat of people who were doing zero carb and finding just incredible benefits and thinking to themselves well why do we have to stop and according to Atkins you climb the carb ladder you know at some point and they're like why do we have to climb that ladder and let's look into this and they were a great group of people that were talking about different resources like books like um fat of the land not by bread alone the V Stephenson writings Oley the bear Stanley who had been eating this way for I think like 40 years at the time and yeah it it was just you know one of those points where I said wow that that this was meant to be my my path crossed with this group and I there was no looking back I just decided to jump in I thought it was crazy I thought oh my gosh how how is this really possible to just eat meat and drink water and I was like well you know there was a couple women in there that I'm grateful for who were very open about their eating disorders and they were talking about how it has resolved that and I said I'm all in and I'm going to research it along the way I will be n equals one experiment trying to figure this all out but in the meantime I'm going to jump in and do it and I just felt better and better and I I I really realized that this this truly was the optimal way to nourish ourselves and I thought well not only is this helping me but it's actually healthy and I you know there was no turning back at that point that I would ever ever touch um this toxic stuff that I was literally addicted to and I think it's important for people to realize that I think we're on a spectrum and there's some just like alcohol you can drink socially or you can be a one or two glasses a night or you can not be able to stop until you black out right I think there's a similar Spectrum with people with their um uh well outright addiction to food it is a very real thing and you know we hear it all the time people are like oh I started carnivore I did great for six months and then I fell in the ditch I call it the carb ditch and now I'm having a terrible time getting back out and yeah so that that's what really brought me into this and I found this little tiny group that was a forum online and so grateful yeah oh that's great I really like um zering in all Health when I first sort of came to this as well like I don't know six and a half years ago now again you know I did this sort of independently in my early 20s uh randomly but I just wasn't going to eat plants and so that was my sort of you know zero carb because I was Zero plants and that sort of came with it but when I came back to it and was doing this intentionally that was one one of the first ones I found too was zering in on health and I really liked them a lot more than some of the other ones because they were they were very strict and they was saying look look this is the way we think that works the best is what we found that works best for the most people and um and I like that I like I like the the No Nonsense sort of approach saying hey look this is what we think is optimal and so this is this is what we want to talk about and if you guys want to do something different go ahead but just this is what we're talking about don't confuse people don't you know put things in here that are going to screw people up and um it's a lot easier to do that when it when you have other places that you you talk about things and they like oh well you this all the Bro signs comes out and it's just like you know everyone has like 50,000 different opinions and so no one knows what the hell to do so someone new coming in there they don't know what to do and they're just like 30 people all speaking authoritatively and it can be very very confusing for people so I I that's where that and zerocarb health are the two that I direct people towards the most um just just for that reason as well um we you know I think what's so difficult now that it is so widely more known right is that now all of a sudden there's a huge amount of conflicting information and people get confused and they start saying well I'm not doing it right how do I do it right how much fat what about the macros and there's there's so much noise around so many different things that I think it it scares people it it kind of hinders them from jumping in and this I said you know what this is really simple make it simple and and and don't overthink things and don't chase numbers and don't worry about ketones right now just just think about as anim animal popped on Earth what would we be doing we would be hunting animals and eating fatty meat and drinking water because we would not be uh have have access to coffee and tea and alcohol and artificial sweeteners and you know I know that's a whole other you know hot mess of discussion about uh the right and wrong way and different things like that but yeah those those resources zero zero carb Health with uh Dana Spencer's group is is is great because uh it it really like you said kind of gives real straightforward No Nonsense this this is realistic this you know and then people say well what about metabolic flexibility and carb cycling and on and on and on you know it's it it's hard though it really is yeah well there yeah and and people can make very good arguments right you know the whole idea of well women need carbohydrates during different times of their cycle and this gives more hormonal support and give all these like really really great sounding reasons for that and then people you know sounds good okay well yeah of course our woman's body's going to work different than a man's obviously we're going to have different demands and and and so they make that that that argument they they're very good sounding arguments and then it's just like okay name one animal on Earth that does that name one female animal that eats differently than male animals you know uh name one female animal that eats differently around estris than outside of it they may they may eat more but they eat more of the same thing you mammals drink their mother's milk and they get weaned onto their mother's diet and then they eat that diet for the rest of their lives boys and girls there's no difference and uh why would we be the only being on Earth that that works differently that that never made sense to me and then you know the same thing when people come at me with well what do you think about that blood type diet like people with different blood types I'm like do you really think people out in their primitive tribes were pulling blood deciding what blood type they were and then heading for the vegetables versus the meat versus the like I just think that's crazy um to even ponder that possibility yeah and and how would like just the one or two protein differences on the surface of your red blood cell fundamentally change your entire digestive tract and nutrient requirements you know it's just like if you're type A then you're then you should be vegan okay apparently you just don't you don't need B12 now if you're blood type A you know it's like okay well I'm blood type A and I'm I'm pretty sure B12 is a good idea for me and my mom's blood type O so I guess that's different there just different species my Mom and Dad mom's a carnivore my dad's an herbivore and that that sort of doesn't work right you know like the um I've always I've always put this challenge out there and the one person who got closest um still wasn't wasn't correct but it's I've always challenged like name one species anywhere on Earth where you can find two members of the same species that have different optimal diets and one person came back with orcas which is fairly good and there's a certain kind of orcca that is a bit smaller different sort of communications they don't you know interact in the same way but they mostly eat fish and there's another kind of orca that's bigger and they mostly eat you know marine mammals and uh but they've actually been classified as different species and one of the criteria for that was actually because they have pretty diverse diet now they're both carnivores they both eat meat but you know they they sort of different preferences on the type of meat that they eat um and so you know they and they said that and other differences you know they communicate differently They Don't Really interact they don't interbreed they don't do anything like that they probably could in breed but they don't they choose not to and so they're saying for all these reasons and one of the one of the reasons was they have a pretty diff uh different diet prefer preferred diet these are different species so it's a different species right and um so that was the closest that they got but either way still both carnivores you're not going to find you know like a lion that does better on zucchini then gazelle you're just not going to you test every single line on Earth it doesn't matter they're blood type or anything else you know they're going to they're going to eat uh do best on on meat and you know just because Native Americans were eating bison and you know people in Ireland were eating sheep that doesn't make Irish a different species to Native Americans it just means those were the animals that they had access to that doesn't mean that they can't eat each other's animals and they of often do it just means that that those are the animals around and so the Orca sort of you know specialize their hunting for a different prey it doesn't mean that they're um you know doing all have different requirements for nutrients it just means though that's their sort of preferred hunting prey you know yeah and that the one thing too that is often I'll just say thrown at me because over the years of being in this space um you you become targeted uh for these comments but they they will say Well everybody's different yeah and every you know and be I'm glad that works for you but everybody's different I tried it and I um you know whatever had this and had that I said well first of all trying it did you did you give it enough time that you've gotten past adaptation phase of it because there is a little bit of a uh you know when we go from standard what I call sad not standard American diet I call it the standard atrocious diet or we could call it the standard Australian diet to get that letter A in there but when you go from that and and and head toward what you know you and I believe is the ancestrally uh appropriate diet for for us then there is a period of time so but yeah just that comment that everybody's different so just like we're talking about like there's squirrels out there are are are some of them heading to get something else like I I don't understand that concept that everybody's different it's we're we're all humans and we have the same digestive tract we have the same teeth we we have the same you know makeup people will say well genetically people are different yeah I mean what do you say to that well I mean you know to what extent you know I mean it's like it's the the differences are are pretty minute you know I mean yes we have genetic differences but so do lions so do sheep so do all these other animals that are still of the same species we are not actually that distinct like we see the differences in each other visually and of course we have you know some idiosyncrasies but overall we are the same species and we're we're not even the same species we're the same subspecies we're Homo sapiens sapiens like we are very very closely related and um it's we have our differences and of course we do and that and that's great have that that diversity we can adapt and change and to different sorts of environments but that doesn't mean that we we fundamentally change what nutrients we require that doesn't mean that we fundamentally change which enzymes we all of a sudden someone had you know from a can make cellulase out of nowhere you know so it's like no this is like the the fundamental differences are very Min you know fundamentally we are the same species we have the vast vast vast majority of our DNA and genetics are are the same and we have the same requirements nutritionally by and large we have similar capacities to uh detoxify certain things and and inabilities you know the vast majority of plants will kill us some plants people do better than others but Native Americans native Australians they're much more sensitive than than people from Europe and the Middle East and Northern Africa and and other places that had agriculture for longer because that 10,000 years of adaptation yes that that gave you know our ancestors you know uh more exposure and we and so we have different adaptations that make those to us able to better weather and detoxify by those toxins a little better but that doesn't mean that they're good for us and now we're herbivores it just means we have a bit more protection because of our of our sort of genetic uh recent genetic past but for the past two million three million years no it was like the last 10,000 years when the when the when the meapa died out that's when these changes started you know and you see these these things that came out there they found like a you know one uh group of humans like between you know 10 and 15,000 years ago and was Now Madagascar and they ate a lot of plants you know it was like it they ate meat too but they ate a lot of plants and um and they were like oh okay look at this you know prehistoric man ate ate a lot of plants I like well all the areas that went to agriculture like they presumably had to move to agriculture because they they weren't getting the meat that they needed they weren't hunting and so they started doing more Hunter Gathering and then they realize hey you can put this seed in the ground and it grows and they started doing that you know so the had be a transition you don't just go from you know an apex predator to then just like growing crops of corn you know there's a there's a there's a thousands of years of of sort of you know merging into that and learning about plants and using them and things like that uh but also you know 12 15,000 years ago that's after the the meapa died out right so what about before that before that breeding meat you know because we had meat available it's only when that stop being is available that we had to sort of switch to other means but during the ice ages when there's meapa what else is there to eat besides meat not much and so the vast majority of our time genetically and the vast majority of our adaptation has been in the direction of of eating and thriving on meat hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia Stockman Stakes who are delivering high quality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to your ad door something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beef heart as well so use code chaffy today for free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com and I'll see you over there thanks guys yeah there's no doubt that we're not omnivores we have the capacity and capability to digest other um you know foods but what is ideal and is that more for survival in times where maybe we weren't upon a herd of animals but certainly if there was a pleate of ribeye in front of a hungry person and a pleate of kale and spinach and tomatoes what are we thinking would be eaten yeah yeah it's like the the dog you know every every like vegan dog owner like you know tortures their dog by putting on like you know vegan salads and and things like that which is just just horrible to do to a dog and then they like come on some you know morning talk show sort of thing and they're like okay well we'll put some some meat and some veggies out there and dogs instantly just goes and just starts nailing the meat and it's like oh thank God it's actual food they just been starved for nutrients this whole time and you know that's the thing you know the dog dogs wolves I mean they're carnivores I mean could can they survive on some some plants yeah sure but that doesn't mean that that's that's that's best for them and I think that's really important distinction to make like you're saying it's survival like can we survive on things yes and that's given us a survival advantage and we've been able to weather a lot of Storms and famines and be able to eat things to make it through but it's not what is optimal exactly yeah um cats can get up to 60% of their calories from carbs but they're not they're not omnivores you know we don't even call them that you know even though they could eat plants you know we call them carnivores so I think obligate carnivores you know and I I think although we we are able to eat a lot more plants than dogs and cats we still do require meat and there's nothing in plants that we require so it's really just a surviv it's just nice that we can do that but what we need and we need is is meat and that's what's optimal and that's that's the whole sort of Point really is being as healthy as we can yeah it's very very difficult to convince somebody who has a whole different mindset regarding what is healthy and then of course you could get into the ethics about it and I have people who approach me of I don't eat dead flesh how do you possibly think that's natural and normal and I said go out and look at you know there's a fox right outside my place here who will have a a rabbit in its mouth and there's you know like look at the circle of life look at the way you know this this whole thing evolves and why would you think that you need to you know Forge to grab some carrots and potatoes and that that that's appropriate yes I watch a National Geographic video sometime you know know it says how can you say that's natural because it's literally nature and it's literally our nature and 70% of animals uh by species are are carnivore that's another one too there's more and more data coming out that that plants are actually way more intelligent than we than we think and there was one uh paper that came out recently that alleged that that plants are actually more intelligent than humans in a lot of respects and that they're absolutely sentient and and even more intelligent than humans they can actually see you they can see see you they can they can tell what color shirt you're wearing apparently I don't know how they figured that one out but they did uh they don't have eyes but they have like proteins and photo receptors all over their body and leaves that that we would have like on the back of our retina and um and so it's they're not they don't have eyes they are eyes and they can just see everything around them and um and they have a nervous system they don't have a central nervous system they are a nervous system so they don't have a brain they are a brain and you know they respond and think feel react to pain they scream they send out signals they can actually communicate through their root system and pass nutrients and water throughout entire Forest systems like if you're have generally a sentinel tree in the middle that actually runs the whole operation and and will coordinate it's like okay well these guys over here are in a drought we need to pull water from 3 miles over here and sort of move it Underground through the roof system and they actually get them the the water and nutrients they need it's absolutely incredible what they can do and you know 100 years ago you know people didn't didn't think that it was it was a problem to you know torture animals and be cruel to them because it was like well they don't feel pain like we do it's not the same thing and of course that's ridiculous but now but we didn't know that at the time people people didn't accept that at the time and now people think that oh just plants are inanimate objects it's just like breaking a rock it's not that big of a deal and now we know no that's actually not the case case they they think and react to pain and um and can be very uh uh you know they they they they respond to damage and react to it and they send signals down and react and and make more toxins and scream and say in signals and warn all the other plants around them so that's that's pain you know that's what a pain signal is you that's that's our pain signal you have something happens here signal goes up to our brain and then a response comes down Pull Your Hand away you know and uh plants do the exact same thing so the idea that that they're just being these wonderful wonderful people and so moral and ethical by you know slaughtering plants by the billion and um well but let's add to that the the whole true knowledge that when they are um doing the crops and preparing Fields how many animals rabbits fox squirrels snakes are being slaughtered yeah um in the prep preparation of the soil and the crop and yeah that that seems pretty crazy that that's not ever brought up by them it's just about that cow that that cow that I ate off of for six months or however long right but not all the animals that were obliterated to provide the spinach and the soy and the corn for you know the the the the vegetable eaters yeah yeah no it's true and there was a study out of University of New New South Wales they found that uh when you're comping into eating like large animals like sheep and cow you uh have to kill 25 times the number of sentient animals not not just bugs but sentient animals to grow one kilo of plant-based protein versus animal-based Protein that's not even taken into account the low bioavailability of of plant-based protein and all the antinutrients that you know tannins and and protas Inhibitors that are going to block out the absorption of that uh of that protein so if you're getting like actual bio available this gets in your body and it's usable it's going to be way more than 25 uh sentient animals per per kilo so it's um it's something that that gets ignored I had this conversation with um a couple vegans Tash Peterson who's a um you know is a vegan activist we did a debate with her and I believe her boyfriend I I can't recall his name at the moment but you know and I mean there and they they L they just honestly had just never heard that before and they just thought it couldn't possibly be they're like no I just don't think you realize that that's just not the case I'm like no this actually is like I don't think you realize just how many animals get destroyed by by growing crops it's and you know 55% of borneo's rainforce has been bulldozed to grow palm seed oil and they killed all the IR T and snakes and birds and animals all throughout that jungle just Mass slaughtered an entire ecosystem just to now grow palm seed oil crops and then you know the animals that move in and try to you know live in those in those habitat in that habitat as if it were a habitat get killed because now they're disrupting the crop you know so they have to go through and just shoot the orangutans and all these sorts of things that are trying to or other sort of animals that are trying to eat the crop I don't know if the orangutans bother with the crops but um anything moving in there disrupting the crops they get done you know and they they really just don't even recognize that yeah I I'm I you know I I try to just stay in my lane and um answer to those plant-based questions but uh it's it's hard to it's hard to really go against somebody like myself who is um just ch changed my entire life and improved it in so many ways and have witnessed so many others there's just you know I I have an open mind I do I listen and learn and I I I still come back to it's incredible the testimonies that are here about um being able to um to to Really heal ourselves with this yeah definitely well to that point um what are some of the things you saw have you Incorporated this into your your practice as a as an opthalmologist as well absolutely I have really um changed because I'm all about root cause healing and it's really important that I um I that I practice this way because I I can't any other way now now knowing what I know I have healed people's drug eyes some severe blefaritis and myomi and gland dysfunction uiis you know it it has really impowered me and inspired me to be able to practice in a whole new different way so it's it's been just very gratifying except it unfortunately takes a lot of time and the practice I worked for was not so into me going against the standard of care protoc call of prescribing the drugs and um moving on to the next patient so it's very interesting how this has really evolved and um I will um forever be able to practice this way instead of the way I used to and it's just very very empowering yeah well that's great um I've actually seen a number of people online talk about how and actually a couple people that I've known say that their prescription for their their eyeglasses actually ends up getting becoming too strong they actually have to reduce their prescription and some people actually not needing glasses anymore have you come across that as well I would imagine uh you of anybody would should know yes absolutely there's I I've actually I have two different um videos where because it became so apparent that people were healing so many things and coming to me report ing it between glaucoma and floaters and dry eye and their prescription lessoning that I I was like I I can't hold this information in there's so many people that want to know can this help my cataracts can this help can this help and my I I go back to the whole thought now of saying this is really a um a point where I feel our bodies will heal and taking away any sort of toxins is going to really be able to allow our bodies to get to that state and it's not going to pinpoint any organ system over another it's not going to ignore your eyes if it's healing your skin it's healing your diabetes it's healing your joint pain it's healing your depression and anxiety it's going to heal your eyes too it's going to heal and and so yeah absolutely I'm fortunate because of being an um an eye doctor that people now who have come to carnivore for other reasons it's great that they are now um able to just get in touch with me and say you know what I did it for for this reason but guess what's happening because people always say well um you know it will it will it do this will it do that I'm like I have not been able to as an eye doctor having a patient in the chair who has let's just say the early starts of something to tell them to go in and do their entire um redo clear out their Pantry clear out their refrigerator and do this what I call fly your freak flag way of eating that's not very common to be able to do but the fact that I can get um reports testimonies anecdotal stories uh from so many people who have turned to this for other reasons I I can say emphatically yes it's really um powerful and how it will heal yeah that's amazing um do you know like what sort of certain types of nearsighted or farsighted um issues that can can can heal on this or is it sort of random yeah so I I'm people say well I'm a minus 14 uh myope will this will this heal and I have said said um you know what you're not going to go from a minus 14 to not needing glasses I well I can't say but I have not heard that yet so the the interesting thing is that it there's so many people that have had improvements and the the real question is um how much of an improvement and over what period of time so I I can't really give answer but you know some people say their stigmatism got better they near sided their far sidedness but for the most part I'm going to say let's just say it's mostly um diseased states such as um macular degeneration can Hal or reverse things like that dry eye chalazion holum myoi and gland dysfunction all these things for sure have um improved but I'm not going to guarantee everybody's going to get rid of their glasses yeah I've certainly yeah I've certainly seen people keep their glasses um and others and others reduce them and not need them so I was always wondering yeah I want I want I wondered if it was a certain kind of um you know vision loss that uh that that might be reversible I think it's that' be interesting if it was like a specific type U that we pound out at one point but either way just the fact that it's happening for a lot of people at all is pretty amazing so that's that's definitely yeah um so one of the things too you mentioned um uh you knowley you know who you know goes by the bear and you know he's been he was a carnival for like 50 years then he died in a car accident and and he was like the was it the sound engineer for like the Grateful Dead for for a long time and so he had this really sort of cool background in life but um do you know do you know much about him and how he started on a carnivore died himself do you know his little origin story at all I'm not really sure exactly what the start of it was for him um like but there is a available a free pdf that's out there and I do have it listed in my membership group I'll I'll send you the link uh if anybody's interested it's a fairly long document but it's really interesting it's his his views and his you know basically carnivore Journey so um yeah because I know he was not he he did not believe in eating salt which was became a a topic back in the zeroing in on health days and sort of an interesting topic now because we we do talk about how um you know is it necessary um there's plenty of sodium in meat and there's a lot of long-term carnivores that don't salt their food and that's a whole different topic but it's just interesting that he was one that uh we we talked with and or talked about and um that yeah it just just getting his experience was was pretty valuable yeah yeah that was that was a bit of a of a gold mine um I think it was just sort of random that he sort of came into this and and saw everyone said hey by the way I've been doing this for 50 years and I happen to know a lot about it you know that was a pretty amazing it's a shame that he's not still around like now that the you know the movement has um sort of expanded to the point that it has you know that would have been great to have you know him around but it's it's great that that people like yourself and others who you were there from the early stage and like got the benefit of of his experience are still around too yeah absolutely and I I think it's really valuable the the the readings that he he wrote he was actually very active in a low carb group and then he got tired of repetitive question questions and all that I had to move because I have contractors here I thought this is not going to be good having them in the background um yeah so um you know because what else do we have to go by other than each other's experiences at this point I mean we we all humans living in what we were born into a society that bread and pasta and rice and cookies and ice cream and pizza is the norm right and so to Buck the system and what I call fly our freak flag because you know this is very uncommon very unusual and it's very hard for people to comprehend that this actually could be the the the the ideal way to eat and what I say you know everybody else is who should who are eating the freaky way we're eating normal optimal ancestral food real whole food and when I say basically meat Seafood eggs and water is pretty much that gets down to the the the gist of what I feel optimally is uh what we should be nourishing our bodies with and everybody else around us eating nachos and you know you name it and don't eat anything that comes in a box a bag a bottle or a jar that's freaky why are we eating why are we putting in our body things that a company made taking your money to eat their processed food and and to be able to you know fall back on somebody like Oley and and and there's there's a couple others I don't know if you're aware of Joe and Charlene and Anderson they've longterm carnivores also it it's it's so important because like I said we you know and and and then we look at the photos of people back in the 1900 1910 you know they they'll have different um uh old videos of people walking down the street and they were all Slender and you know there was there's not the Obesity that we have and what's what what's gone wrong really what has gone wrong in our in in in in what we're putting in our mouth and we all have the at every moment we have the the ability to decide what's going to lead us to health or what's going to lead us to harm and it it is so um yeah it I I I keep saying to uh people who are naysayers I say just give it a try see how you feel yeah yeah I I always suggest that as well because I I know how they're going to feel they're going to feel amazing some people take a bit longer but the vast majority of people feel infinitely better within within a few weeks to a month and um and you know and they just see for themselves you know I like how you say that about about us eating naturally and them eating weird it's it's totally true you know it's just that the they're not eating normally it's just it's just the norm that's just the common way that people are eating now but that doesn't mean that that's a normal way for humans to eat and this is reflective in the fact that we're all sick and overweight and not able to to function normally we're getting this massive massive increase in burden of disease and we're just think oh well that's just that's just normal we just didn't notice it before like that's what happens when you get old I would have so many patients sit there and and just say hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys oh don't get old you know it all hit me when I turned whatever their they'll either say 65 70 60 75 that's when it that's when it hits and I'm like no that's not when it's supposed to hit that's when that many decades of put putting inappropriate Foods especially in our current world with seed oils processed food grains sugars that's eventually what happens in our bodies it it starts to to break down that stuff is inflammatory it's toxic and knowing the half-life of all of those seed oils being like 680 days I think is the the estimate of the half-life of that that's an awful long time to get that stuff out of your body even after you stop eating it so think what it's doing you know all these years in embedding in in our cells and it affects every organ system yeah and and yeah and the thought that that what's normal is eating something out of a bag that was created in a factory that that's normal is a bit wild as well and and that's the thing I think we we do need to think of these things in different ways we need to frame these things in different ways it's like no hold on a second I'm eating real food you're the one eating crap out of a bag like I this is this is actual whole food that's what we're supposed to be eating what animal eats crap out of a bag you know that's not in slave pen somewhere absolutely and then the thing that really gets to me this one really really uh really RI rils me up is when people say yeah I I can see what you're thinking and what you're doing but I I haven't seen the studies and how would you possibly risk your health and your heart when you when there's there's really no studies I'm like really where's the study that your uh poptart and um Pizza were healthy where's the where's the 20 30 year long-term study on that did you are you waiting for that to come out like why are you you're you're so incessant that that you you have to see the study where's the study of all the crap you're putting in your body is is healthy like I I don't see the study on that yeah that yeah very good point and the thing is is that we've been eating meat forever that's established we know that that's that that's good you have to prove that eating alternatively is better and no one's done that and no one's ever proven that that um meat or fat is actually bad for you is some associative studies we now know we fraudulent and um and that's it and so like where's the what's the problem with eating meat like the there was no evidence against eating meat there's no real evidence there was accusation and propaganda there's no actual evidence and that they've been thoroughly debunked and so we don't need long prospective you know randomized control trials if you don't need that that's what we've been doing we already have hundreds of thousands of years that's it that's it then then it's then it's you know when you get the the people that are are really diligent on trying to make their point they'll say yeah but the you know the the the life of man was so they you died so young and the lifespan was 35 years and all that and I was like you know that's that's a crazy statistic too because you know how many women in newborns died in childbirth that Skuse that and yeah and and then and then I get I get to the point and I tell people I go you know well people who come to me and say yeah what do you say when people are saying all this and I said first of all you have to remember that you don't owe anybody an explanation and don't feel obligated to have to defend yourself just know that what you're doing has caused you to feel good and get healthier and that's that's all you need to to know and if you're going to question whether you're eventually going to die of a heart attack because you know your cholesterol is a little bit higher guess what I want a little bit higher cholesterol I think that's normal our brains are full of cholesterol every cell in our body needs cholesterol why are we believing the propaganda of Statin companies that cholesterol has to be low the lower the cholesterol is the higher your death rate why are we trying to lower cholesterol and why are we incessant that you know you feel great in so many ways this you know you you start eating this way and so many things are getting better but you think your body is going to attack your heart and cause disease there because of eating this sway like where's the logic in that yeah yeah and um yeah and your body is making something that's Dam damaging your body and killing you from the inside and then that's natural I mean you would have been bred out long time ago you just wouldn't you wouldn't have made it I I say we would we' have been extinct ex if that was the case we would be extinct right now long time ago yeah and um you know that's the thing too when they say that like oh well people only lived like to be like you know in their 30s like 35 it's like really were you there did you take Census Data you know like were was there a sensus Census Bureau 50,000 years ago you know like what the hell where are you getting that where are you getting that people only live 35 years that's a completely madeup number you know I mean the the and and then you're right you know like people dying in child Bo but also infant mortality is very high in these in primitive cultures and even in um 18th 1800s America the infant mortality rate was extraordinarily High until we got portable water you know there was a b was a big big problem in America now you know around the world in third countries you know denter is is a major killer of of babies and so you know this is something that um that uh you once you get portable water and you do that then infant mortality comes up and the overall life expectancy comes up on average from birth but the people that carry that carry out these statistics uh even from the 1850s in America were way more intelligent than the people making that statement because they they did it from birth and then every decade of life after that for every decade of from 1850 like 2015 or 17 or something like that was the last sort of Chunk that I looked at I have the link on in my phone and so average life expectancy from birth in 1850 in America was like 38 years so I like oh the people just died in their 30s like okay really that's average from birth if you made it to 10 you made it to 56 on average and you made it to 20 it was longer and it just went up like that and so when you got to adulthood especially you know 30 years old or longer you would you generally lived as long as people do now and so you compare that to you know people now 30y olds now on average they live to this very similar to how long a 30-year-old would live in the in 1850s and a very simple uh test on this you know just I mean the whole idea oh everyone died at 35 you know before the 20th century or in the 1800s or in the caveman era okay that doesn't even pass the smell test you know because like what what's the what's the minimum age for people to apply for running for president in America 35 that's the minimum and that was a rule that they came up with in 17 you know 1776 or around you know after the revolution so in the late 1700s they came up with that and you know Ben Franklin was 64 at the time of the the American Revolution you know and it wasn't like oh my God it's Methuselah is the oldest man on Earth Earth you know um it was just he was just a guy and he just and um all the founding fathers they all died in their 80s or 90s being born in the mid 1700s so you know the idea that we just died in our 30s is is just complete and utter fiction if you look back to the the histories the different populations really talk about life expectancy and how long people were living it's a very different story I mean you look at um um you know Alexander Alexander the Great of Macedonia like he was in 20s when he died but you know he died of something you know and um but his soldiers if you read the different histories and I you know I read one from uh uh Dr Victor Davis Hansen at Stanford and uh very interesting he was saying that Alexander's troops um were the foot soldiers were anywhere between in their 20s to in their 60s and they they conquered the known world and They Carried 14 foot long steel Spears with 5 foot long blades and a big weight at the back to off balance it and they just you know trudge around killing people they had like a 50 to1 kill rate you know they absolutely just destroyed these other armies in their 60s and uh one of Alexander the Great's uh generals who they they were lead from the front generals there they didn't sit back in a tent somewhere oh yeah yeah go do your thing and watching from a hill Hillside uh they were leading the Cavalry Charges so one of his generals that led one of his wings of Cavalry was in his late late 70s leading Cavalry Charges in his late 70s so really people people died in their 30s really they just they just decayed and died and they just their bodies just couldn't handle it anymore um the the earliest histories that we have from Herodotus Chronicle an interaction between the Persians and the Ethiopians and the Ethiopians were talking to the Persians and they said okay what do you people eat how long do your people normally live and they described growing wheat and making bread and they said people normally live 70 years so I it's in the Bible you know people talking about people living that long not 30 years you know like living 70 years or longer and the guy that came from Ethiopia just sort of laughed at him and said well no wonder you live such short lives if all you eat is dirt you know we only eat the The Boiled meat of our cattle and boiled meat and we only drink the milk of our cattle besides water and our people would live 120 years sometimes much longer and people think well they're just making that up but now we know as geneticists designed to live 120 years based on the length of arir and so if it was if he was just bragging it was a very it was a very interesting number that he just happened to lie about and that number comes up in a lot of other native populations like the Native Americans in the 1800s saying that they were living around5 20 130 years and so you know the the idea that that um that everyone was just dying in their 30s is is complete and utter fiction even if it were average from birth it would be life you know average life expectancy and infant mortality but the fact of the matter is is like no one is ever going to be able to know how long people were living in the ice ages because there's just no data on it we don't have Census records we don't even know what the infant mortality rate is it could be high could been could have been lower than it is today we're never going to know that answer um but you know just people just making that up and saying oh but we were only living 30 years says who you know where evidence for that talk about making things up then we might as well just add in a little diddy here about the that whole Blue Zone thing and how you know manipulated data cherry-pick to push a plant propaganda that people so many people are buying into oh the Blue Zone you know and and then when you I I think the statistic is Hong Kong has like the the the the longevity winner and they have the highest meat consumption and people really try to bunk that um it's it's very interesting yeah well it's funny yeah and why isn't that a Blue Zone you know they have they have the highest life expectancy documented on Earth I saw something from Dan Butner that that con artist that made up the the blue zones and then sold it to the Seventh Day Adventist Church for SE over something like $68 million and U yeah and so he um he was saying you know people were saying well no you know people know canow you know they actually eat a lot of meat well now they do you McDonald's has come in and now they're not a Blue Zone anymore because they started eating meat like no first of all McDonald's the vast majority of food from McDonald's is not meat and so if you're eating meat if you're eating McDonald's you're not eating meat and that's what's making you sick idiot and um and second of all no you know I've T I spoke to a lot of people from okanawa who are from there and their grandparents are are the people that are you know in their late 90s or over a hundred and very healthy and living active lives and they say they all say they eat like you know 80 plus percent of their food comes from meat and they eat a lot of you know pork and things like that and and fish and the majority of what they eat is is meat um and then you know in Sardinia um uh you know Professor Bill Schindler went to Sardinia went to the the epicenter of the first Blue Zone ever identified spoke to the same people that were spoken to in the in the Blue Zone uh I won't even call it a study the blue Zone propaganda that um and said oh these guys they only eat meat once a week and they're so healthy they're just all vegetarians and they even said like why why why does everybody think we're vegetarians where the hell did that come from you know and they even said they were like and they're the ones they were talking about them and they were like this is what why are people saying that we're not vegetarians and that they were eating tons of meat and then one day they came up to to Bill and he said hey you know we're going to eat meat tomorrow it's going to be great and he's like well what do you mean we're going to eat meat tomorrow we we've eaten more meat here than I eat at home and because everything was meat they had just platters of meat they had shakery plates they had cheese boards they had everyone had pigs in their yard they all made their own Dairy they all had meat around and they had some plants too they had some olives and tomatoes and uh you know homemade wine and things like that but they were very active they very strong Community uh value and structure uh but the M vast majority of the food that they ate was meat and then one day a week they had meat which was they like no no no no what we do is we take a whole sheep and we put it on a spit and we just have like an all day barbecue and we all just like hang out for eight hours just eating tons of meat and chilling out and relaxing and so that's that's eating meat once a week apparently to Dan Butner and that's with the lie that he passed on and he's trying to he's trying to You Know cover his tracks people are you know calling him out on this um but um you know and and then the other thing he's saying is like well yeah well now these people are are eating more meat now they're not blue zones anymore because they're eating meat and it's just like well no veral McDonald's isn't meat so that doesn't count and also a lot of it was uh pension fraud wasn't it like they found that a lot of these people were were lying about their age so that they could qualify for pensions early because they were poor and they they wanted they wanted some help with the rent and then other people that were already on pensions and they passed away they just just buried them quietly and didn't tell the government just kept collecting a check so it was rampant voter or um uh pension fraud and um you know and so you know now he's saying well yeah okanawa actually has a lower life expectancy than the rest of Japan it's because they're eating more meat now it's just like shut up you know like yeah the old people would still be alive if if that were the case so crazy I know because what it comes down to and you know hearing what you're saying about how what I just call manipulated data it's like how can anybody believe any study anymore anyway because who's it funded by who's behind what agenda they're trying to push and the money that pours into the it's so costly to do these studies they're they're definitely going to get the answer they want promoted with these studies and they will maybe do 13 studies and throw 12 of them out and the one study of the 13 that showed a glimmer of what they were trying to say by you know whatever they have to manipulate it to get it to say that that they're these scientists are getting paid you know by by somebody who's looking for a certain answer and so I I don't know I I think it really comes down to being you know and how can we be skeptical of every single scientific study well you can you can when you start understanding what is actually going on with these studies and supposed science yeah definitely um yeah so that'll be interesting but you know they're they're making such a big push for this this whole plant-based thing you know and and coming you know from your work as a doctor and seeing this in yourself and in your patients I mean can can you think of any any good reason why they be doing this or or is it just purely due to to to push a narrative and sell a product well we don't want to really get so deep in the in the political dooo here and the discussion but I I do think there is a a global agenda to weaken the population and how you do that is with with with plants and you know the elite are going to eat the meat and they want the masses to eat the mush and why do you think they're starting you know big on this beyond meat you know plant-based Burger stuff and putting insects crickets and whatever into into Foods I mean this is all ridiculous and to think for a second that that there isn't um you you know what what what do we really think is is the the the pushes in regarding that they they they really think that there's something with this carbon emissions I mean that's all a bunch of fooy too so like I said maybe we shouldn't get so political here with with my op opinions on a lot of this stuff but um we have to really think long and hard about um what the message is and in in my experience it's the best thing to do is the opposite you know they tell you to slather on sunscreen and fear the sun because of you know skin cancer and um and I think the opposite we need sun in our eyes we need sun on our skin we need to not put chemical sunscreens on our skin and so there and lies you know do the opposite um our eyes have so many receptors uh you know our eyes are directly connected to our brains and it's not there they're not there just for vision there's so many um receptors that are signaling to the brain the um the time of day for circadian rhythm and there's so much more that's involved in just Vis than Vision so uh I I try to really um promote to people that the importance of spending time outside and get outside early in the day um and then dur during the day try to spend at least an hour because you know we've all become uh you I think the statistic is we spend 93% of the day indoors and um that's I I think part of something that we should really think about uh doing so much more of is just getting outside yeah I think that that's a big part of it you know just trying you know eat ancestrally just sort of live ancestry to as much as we can in our current our current Society but uh you know everybody I talk to that sort of gets back to Nature goes camping goes out in the woods they always feels so much better for having done that and uh you know some I I know um some people that one one guy had on my podcast actually you know he was he was working had a very high-paying job and but he was just sick he was all sick all the time and just one day he you know just went out and he just he would go out and go camping a lot with his dad as as a kid and so he said okay I'm just going to go out I just need some time off and like for six weeks and he just just felt like a new person at the end of it felt so much better it was just hunting and fishing and out in the wilderness and felt a lot better then he came back was feeling worse as he was in work and then he sort of did like 3 months out you know on like a sort of a safari you know out in the bush in in Africa just to sort okay I'm gonna test this and see what this is like and it it just really helped his health he said okay I'm it that's it I'm done I'm just I'm quitting and he just went out and just started Living in the bush and so now he's just out just just living in the bush in Australia and uh Barefoot white guy you know living in like a Off the Grid right what we call Off the Grid yeah that's it completely off the grid you know he you know he hunts and um like he he does like endurance hunting like he he chases down animals and you'll chase them he said after about after you know they can't sweat like we do so they get overheated very quick and so after about a kilometer they just lay down and they just give up they're like okay that's it right I'm done that's it and so you know sometimes he'll hunt them sometimes he just does it for um practice just to see that he can he just sort of tags him and lets him go and um but but other times he does hunt and that's how he eats and now he's sort of gone carnivore because of that because he's just like that's that's what you got to eat when you're living out in the bush and he's just completely reversed all of his health issues and um you know and there's a lot to be said for that you know it's I I try to get out in the sun as much as possible I'm exactly in that statistic that 90 eight% of my day is going to be inside and you know I try to like linger in the sun like walking out to my car maybe just stand on the lawn for a bit and get some sun on my face and and in my eyes you know um it when I can and then I gota then I gotta go I gotta go to work and then I'm stuck indoors all day and um it's a pain but you know the hope is one day to you know just to be able to be outside more often than inside and um and I do I do definitely believe that in its Health uh benefits as well yeah it's everything you know I I I try to wear barefoot shoes and I go barefoot as much as I can I think it's healthier for our feet I think it's healthier for our posture in our gate I you know and and the whole thing with grounding right I mean there's a whole there's a whole different aspect of this what I just call the carnivore lifestyle instead of just the thought of yeah I'm going to eat meat and drink water um you know there's there's a whole host of health issues to think about living ancestrally yeah definitely um so what are some of the the groups that you run now is that um are you just trying to help people just get on to carnivore what what do you focus on mainly you know I I I've come to realize that a bit of my niche in this carnivore space has come from my horrible 30e suffering of carb sugar addiction and disordered eating and I have an amazing group where it's it's support it's talking about um the necessity for abstinence in People Like Us um and I feel that it's so important uh to have community and support I mean as animals we want to feel like that we belong and that we're in a group and to feel so isolated uh for the majority who turn to this way of eating discovering it and and doing it it becomes socially isolating a bit um family friends co-workers start to roll their eyes and it's it becomes really um an amazing support to have a group that you can come to and and and talk with so in my group I I go live about five to six days a week and it's discussions and it's all sorts of different topics and um you know I I say so Community is the opposite of addiction and addictions love isolation and if anybody knows the plight that I'm talking about it's back in the days when you're caught up in it is as waiting till you're alone to eat getting in the car and driving and eating and hiding the rappers it's all these bizarre behavior years that seems so um you know ridiculous to maybe somebody who hasn't suffered this but um it's it's it's a reality and so I'm I always said if I can help one person out of the misery that I lived in then I I'll be a success and I'm just I'm so happy to be able to host and I actually I'm right now sitting in a a a beach front oceanfront condo I purchased next door to mine that I renovated and created a carnivore Beach Retreat and I'm hosting this summer five fed day um I don't want to call it boot camp because this is all about just um coming together and being with others who um are living this lifestyle and um yeah so there's going to be cooking demos and walks on the beach early in the morning and I'm just really thrilled just to keep going forward with the message and I've also been sort of um dawned the queen of meetups because I have um hosted at this point I think 30 meetups where I just wherever I travel I announce either it's going to be a lunch or a dinner at a pretty much all you can eat meet um type of restaurant and um it's they're so empowering it's so magical to be there and be with people who get it and so that's that became also my Mission because as I walked away from each of them I said there is something really really special about this so especially every year I host a big one in New Jersey last year it sold out at 125 people I have a regenerative Rancher up in Rhode Island who comes down and with a chef and yeah it's just um you know my my my message and my motivation is all to just have everybody get as healthy as they can and realize that you have the power to change your situation by what you decide to put or not put into your mouth yeah definitely well that's fantastic uh Dr wean thank you so much uh for coming on that was absolutely excellent and um I I still want to make it to one of your your meetups and I'm sure I will at one point um but uh where can people find you and find your in groups and find more of your work yeah so I'll give you the link um I'm on um Mighty Network and it's called carb sober Freedom Community uh and um my website carnivore dd.com uh there's there's links for that and information about the carnivore Beach Retreats is also I I can give the link for that and if you put it in the show notes that would be great because it's it's so it's like I said it's I'm I'm so excited because this summer is the the first of them and um it's it's going to be um you know life changing for people I'm you know I am personalizing a a small group each each Retreat and I just am so excited that people will be able to experience my life here on the beach they're going to come to the gym with me because you know I I know um you know also how important it is to keep muscular strength up and um how simple it actually is with just a couple times a week so yeah it's it's being immersed in this lifestyle which I think is going to be just so great for so many people who actually have an open mind to give it a try yeah definitely well I'll put all that in the show notes and people can uh take a look there to find out more Dr wean thank you so much for coming on it's been an absolute pleasure thanks Dr T it's been so great being here and um I'm I'm definitely looking forward to you attending one of the meetups soon and I will see you in Wyoming too that that's right yeah so for people that are are interested in that that's the the the Rondevu City beef Roundup um in Riverton Wyoming in uh what's it August 24th or that weekend anyway and so we're going to be there along with Dr sha Omar and Jake from lifik Jake and courtley Luna as well as um Simon Lewis who do how to cornivore with so we'll have like a a good carnivore cohort there and um they're actually changing their Town motto to the most carnivore friendly city on earth which is uh kind of fun so they're really really leaning into the whole carnivore movement which is great and it's a beautiful part of the country it's absolutely stunning we spent like four days out in um the Tetons and Yellowstone which was actually I've been I've been wanting to do that for decades I absolutely loved it there beauti country yeah yeah definitely well great well looking forward to seeing you there and anybody else who's coming we'll see you all there as well take care hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say 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