What You Need To Know About Deuterium Rich Foods with Jackoline Milne

welcome to the plantree MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining me for another episode of the plant-free MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest Miss Jacqueline mil who's joining me from Northern British Columbia Jacqueline thank you so much for joining me thank you for uh inviting me and I look forward to this day oh you're very welcome so uh for for people who haven't come across you before can you tell us a bit about you and what you do yeah well I'm a I'm a shepherdess so I work with animals and I've been trained in holistic management by Alan Savory I traveled to Africa to the um holistic and it's called the um African Center for holistic Management near Victoria Falls and that was my journey into sustainable agriculture was actually precipitated because about 30 years ago I um got very ill after I had my second child and I developed a lupus like they diagnosed me with lupus I was very crippled for two years it was a agonizing and I that story is on um um no carb life I think I can't remember what his channel is called and so but I had a spontaneous remission occur when I had a little garden I had gone Barefoot because I could barely walk and that is what lit me up like what you know like this connection how did this happen so then I started to really I went down the rabbit hole of eating a lot of plants but I am a mate te which is in Canada when you have ancestors who are First Nations and your parents you know are crossed between that so that's what I am and so I've realized now that's probably one of the reasons why I've done so well on the carnivore diet but what happened is even though I recovered from the lupus I started having every other kind of plant related problem if you eat too much so oxy I start getting kidney stones from Ox and then my thyroid I started reacting to brasin I started getting these benign Cy and and then my gallbladder so I had all these things so I kept um reducing and reducing the type and spectrum of plants and more and more meat and then I stumbled upon Dr laslo's work and another gentleman who has a technology George wisman through Eagle research and he invented a really smart energy efficient Browns gas generator okay which is a type of hydrogen therapy but it's more than just generic hydrogen therapy okay I want to stress that I'm going to tell you right out of the gate okay there's a chance that using his technology we looks very promising that we may be able to produce our own detarium deleted water at home oh wow yeah it's not this is not in the public this is not something GE but we've consulted with George and because of the uniqueness of our research project because it's we've coined it the family detarium research project and it's about empowerment a mentoring each other to to the highest ability that we can to take back management of the vital things in our life like our clean food and clean water and things like that and we just recently had a a consultation with him and and we're implementing this right now it's kind of like chemistry but he's did explain it that he's also been doing it he is working just so you know on actually making a little apparatus that could be added that can be sold he'll make them sell them so it's really close to that but so what we're doing is implementing it in our research project and so for the because of of everyone involved is focused on learning about detarium learning how to reduce exposure to it excessive ingestion of it and the water was a real stumbling block because the commercial water that's available right now is so expensive and it makes it financially out of the reach of so many people so this will be very transformational okay I'm really optimistic about it and so having the ability to uh have even just a small amount like say 500 mill it would be enough to augment the drinking water to bring it down to those safer lower levels you know and and so part of what we're doing also is working towards having our own completely privately managed facility for testing our own water samples and food samples because basically what is kind of you know come to this realization like especially all the members and Families a lot of people in our group have very serious diagnosis that they're dealing with and so the whole topic of reducing detarium is so hope it's so hopeful because it can have such a healing positive effect right and so but the problem is this is such a new science we are only we are guessing oh what's in this meat is it it low is it high what's in this there's this is probably the most important ingredient that we could ever know that is in the food or not and it's not available and so this is why we want to be able to have our own facility so then the foods we choose because now you see it would make whoever is dealing with their particular diagnosis if they want to Target 100 PP or less if they have the data on what's really in the food they can do the math and actually take control of it and I really feel that the the the carnivore diet it's one of the huge blessings is it it naturally helps lower the detarium exposure because of the way detarium works and binds with fibers and carbohydrates and sugars and and less with the fats and meats and so you know but to go forward with that we also are looking at like like studying plants because you see what's happened to the food kingdom is the the plants have been bred and bred away from the the heirloom and more to be long shelf life GMO which is causing the natural filters to have been removed and the plants are concentrated in the detarium and so we're kind of hopeful that we might even have the ability to sort of focus on some particular foods like say sunflower seeds Okay um sunflower seeds the reason I'm interested in sunflower seeds is because of vitamin B1 and the stress you know like to have a supplement to so it's not so much about necessarily using the foods as a food but to use plants perhaps as medicine because there's this book Buffalo birdwoman it's about a hundred years old an anthropologist wrote it because he met an indigenous woman living in Northern United States and turns out you see a lot of people don't know this but the indigenous people were horticulturists they were not just hunter gatherers traveling they also had a small window of domestic Foods they grew and they grew sunflower seeds the oil ones but they didn't eat them regular they would make these little seed balls so that the men when they would go hunting eat a lot of stress right burning up their vitamin B1 they would have these little sunflower seed balls that they would eat at certain periods of time connected to the activity and so I went H that's really interesting you know and possibly vitamin E maybe a little bit is in there I don't remember and so they also ate uh grew squash and they would dry it into these little Wafers and take it with them in the winter now their focus was primarily meat but the the plant food they did have corn and beans but it was fallback food like the the plant Foods tended to be when okay we don't have the meat and the dried squash would be used like a potato chip to eat fat because fat when it's cold is hard and he like back then people you know indigenous people didn't have roaring fires going heating their house they would just dress warm and so food food would be cold you know and so there are those so this is sort of the area we're we're curious about you know if we can is there ways because it's very difficult for people to fully accept to not eat plants you know it's hard it's a hard and I get it and not everyone can easily readily and affordably access animal-based foods and that's another deeper part of our project because the animal-based foods truly are and can be the safest lowest source of detarium that whole knowledge of animal um raising need you know needs to be strengthened and in people empowered to the highest capacity to even raise their own animals if possible and so you know that that is so this is um the the structure of this project is based on Alan savory's work of holistic management which is a unique approach when we're kind of dealing with a a a situation and a lot of times when he would be teaching it would be they Lo they might lose a ranch maybe the soil is you know it's desertify and so what happens is people go oh well we got to you know um go organic which is great take care of the soil and and then maybe you'll have good Revenue so you'll be able to not have the bank take your farm but he said there's a third leg to the stool that's overlooked the people who are in that system they also must be fully cared for and healthy and have their needs met because if you're an organic farmer and you make lots of money but you work seven days a week and you fall down and break your hip you're going to lose the farm because you've been neglecting yourself and so if we expand this out to our planetary situation now with the real accelerated levels of illness that is the greatest danger to a cascading collapse of civilization you see if we want to turn the boat around we need to also include the healing of all the people involved in the initiative it's critically important and it's really been proven this is a proven biological science that we can Implement and so that's why our project is touching on areas of Science and how health and planetary you know stewardship you know learning how you know learning to understand those factors so we can bring them together and be able to afford to eat the healthiest possible way that we you know we desire to eat and then another thing that's really important that a lot of people are not aware of is the international Covenants um that protect human rights and that there's one economic and social and cultural rights and in there article 11 articulates it's a absolute fundamental right of all people to have adequate food adequate clothing adequate housing well you see once you understand this about detarium the public food supply is not adequate it is not not adequate anymore once we know what's going on and how poisoned our food supply is and so because of that um doing a lot of research trying to figure out what would be the best platform what would be the best approach to address this and because empowerment at this time is is foremost there's this hisory from United States and it goes 100 years started in 1890 and the the the people self-organized into these associations fraternities in today's term a lot during covid you would hear private membership associations or pmas what that is is this it's from these days when people would decide there's something we really care about they built hospitals a a group of black people who were who were you know still being discriminated against built our own hospital so they could go on the front door themselves there was orphanages there was all kinds of initiatives that they did they collaborated together and self-organized and helped so the different members with different skills they would assist disadvantage members and there was an a way of equalizing and it is a viable way for people to implement with structure and organization something that is a project that they're really passionate about that is like an emergency like what this is is a bit of an emergency right now um yeah and be really successful at it and bring Creative Solutions forward and not have to worry about um uh I guess you could say government regulations or Pro you know that kind of thing because it falls under very similar okay like today when they the pharmaceutical companies do trials okay well how come they can't get sued it's because it's basically under this same structure because the individuals who join those trials sign a complete uh releasing of liability to that company they are fully accepting personal responsibility for their involvement and participation as long as they're told the truth right and so that is very much what the foundation is for these types of organizations and societies it's when you're ready to say okay I'm going to I I'll you know take the risk you know what's the risk but um you know to maybe um learn how to Red protect yourself from detarium and so it's a very viable model um there's a lot of information out there that is very clear about what a PMA really is and what it can be used for and I almost think some of that is purposeful disinformation to impede the common people from being deeply empowered to organize themsel around issues that really matter to them and so this is something a lot of people could really benefit from if they are feeling like frustrated and their wheels are turning and they don't see the government responding quick enough you can create an initiative yourself there's you know I'm sort of simplified it here but it can be done and I feel that this is that's what we've Chosen and so with our our association we have members internationally we have members in Ireland and England and Spain and South Africa and Australia and in New Zealand and United States in Canada so far and so yeah and it's it's I think it's a it's a it's a a way to bring this type of beneficial information to the front right to yeah yeah oh that's really good hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want new nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just your meat but also because I 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North like like close to the Canadian border I was really surprised how far north they were it this was not Mexico this was like up there and you know what's amazing is in the book okay it's it's got archive photos you can get it it's it's like cuz it's such an old book and they these are they even had their own implements made with antlers and these are not taught these were Horticultural methods not taught to them by the settlers and so it was like so that's why I was like oh that's really and you know what's really cool is they used to use songs to teach they would sing songs and she talks about it she said that you know nobody sings the songs anymore the corn songs and and one of the L one of the the lyrics from it I just remember it is when they would know when to plant was when the Gooseberry leaves are the size of squirrel ears and so it was a way of observing the environment and if there yes you know little incredible nuggets cuz it didn't have a calendar so the way we you know we do and so it was very and they used to like um uh dig a hole in the bank and they wouldn't bring all the vegetables with them so it was squash and I really think also for the seeds the pumpkin seed so squash the squash seed sunflower seeds a type of be dried bean and corn and that was it this particular tribe that was all they grew right but they were nomadic and they would in they would camp in the summer by the river and grow these crops and dry them they even set up racks that were like fish drying racks to dry the squash and they would slice it and so but I really like in reading the book you know it was really about a way of having fallback food you know because of course you know our body can eat plant foods but I really think it's not our primary food anymore MH it's a it's a survival food if anything plant foods to me would be when I don't have meat eggs that then or fish what you know then I would fall back and then what am I going to fall back to you see I don't want to just take a risk and eat some contaminated organic I want to have control of that too and so that's why we have included into our research studying the food plant you know and like testing them growing them out heirloom for all we know there were plants that and I think there's methods too to grow just so you know that treating them afterwards as well very much many things like peeling them and just how you process them and like you know I think there was a reason why people used to make jelly because they would separate the skin and the seeds which is probably where the detarium is concentrating in the seed right because for that seed to grow and so we just go well just eat it but no there's a reason there's a reason that those foods are processed that way those plant Foods yeah it's always it's always interesting to see how different people lived and and treated these things you know like obviously you know in meso America they had a lot more cultivation and they had nalization they mixed corn with lie and other sorts of things like acorns I think they would mix with Ash or clay or something like that and that would sort of strip out some of the toxins as well obvious cooking peeling these sorts of things and it was interesting when you said that they they didn't use fire much because a lot of the a lot of the Native Americans and other parts like especially on the Eastern Seaboard were big in wood burning um there was I was reading history by Thomas Sol and he was saying there was a historical record in the 1500s where Sailors when they sail up and down from the tip of Florida southern tip of Florida all the way up to Maine the entire time was just unbroken massive big bonfires all the way up the Eastern Seaboard there's s such a huge population until some sort of plague wiped out 95% of North America and they and the Sailor said that um there's so much wood smoke because there was big bonfires it wasn't just a little campfire huge bonfires that they could smell wood smoke up to 200 miles out to sea it was pretty incredible and so it's always interesting to to to hear that because yeah and then you get to other places like in the Great Plains where they had Buffalo they they actually did have access to meet all year they could do a buffalo drop and one big hunt a year they were they had meat for the rest of the year yeah it's always interesting to see that and it's very interesting to go back and look at the traditional ways people did this to understand it a bit more check the DU terum see what the differences are in these different sorts of um in the toxins and the traditional ways of making them um have you come across um Dr Bill Schindler so he he he might be someone you'd be really interested to to look up he um this is sort of his area of expertise he is um he was a professor of P anthropology and archaeology at University of Maryland he's since retired from that he's doing other things now but he wrote a book called eat like a human and you know he talks about how we've just been eating meat this whole time but through technology in the last sort of 10 12,000 years we've been able to sort of figure out how to eat more plants by different ways of lowering the toxic load and improving the bioavailability through these different methods fermentation cooking nich talization mixing it with different sorts of substances and like multi-step processes and all the traditional ways of eating these things can can do that and that's why this was a tradition then we just go oh no raw food raw raw is best and it's like nope NOP no no there's a reason we did it this way U but yeah he might he I think you'd find his his work really interesting in his book because it it's all about that on on the traditional ways people ate it you know predominantly you're eating meat if you could get it that was the most nutritious form of food most bi available form of food but if you couldn't and you had to supplement it this is what we started u this is how we did it through technology and then Cuisine started coming in and then a whole different sort of it wasn't just Survival anymore but um very interesting it's connected to civilization and and and I mean if you you look at basically we as a species have two very necessary in my opinion different structural social orders and one is the tribal system which is rooted in the family and the extended family it's a family structured system tribalism like true original then which would also be able so that those PE the people whether they were shepherds or Nomads Hunters so they are semi-nomadic I mean the Deni and that in the north where I'm originally from is the Northwest Territories of Canada so I grew up in a very very remote place in the world and so they had very specific places that they would move to depending on what time of year it was and in the summer they would all come and be together in much larger groups like up to 400 and then in the winter they would break up into the smaller family groups right and so that's a whole structure system and meat very meat-based but civilization if you look back the bigger the cities get the harder it is to provide meat I mean the very story of Cain and Abel you know one was a shepherd and one was the first city Builder and the city Builder was the one who planted Ed the garden and grew the vegetables because because it's also for convenience the closeness you know it's like a a logistics situation right so it's like as you move away from living in the country whether you're you know um you know nomadic or not and and then we get to Civilization now what does civilization do civilization gives us our higher knowledge it's not about not having civilization I think our challenge is to have sustainable civilization and I feel that it's really what we need is the two systems like like in nature predator and prey there's two in in our whole system of uh the way the nature of our reality exists it's the dynamic left and right hot and cold right and so I feel that this is one of the reasons why we are in such a crisis is because the one culture has become so dominant the the the permanence that you know and it does serve it serves science it serves medicine it serves Discovery but how many times has civilizations crashed we have all the ruins all around the world for this very reason so this is a really really important topic for us to discuss and how do we restore homeostasis and I think it's it's innate in our some of us like myself I love being out like it's you know it's in my jeans and I think that's how it is meant to be and so to to to restore that I think is really relevant and planetary restoration okay the the desertification of the world guys is really serious and can be reversed we are able to restore the planet's soils okay but it's going to be in a completely new way we're going to have to change everything about like it's going to be new and fresh and different and it might take us a few hundred years but I tell you if we do it we'll also save civilization and I think that's worth doing I think it's worth really taking serious here and uh and um taking the bull you know by the horns and and saying well um the public guys they'll just have to catch up to us that's all that's going to happen because they you know they're taking too long and you know when the baby's ready to get born you don't wait there's no waiting right this is an emergency now our health is crumbling um there's you know there's serious problems around the world but there are solutions and healing the soil while we while we heal ourself is it's it's like they'll it'll happen together to me it it it's it's it's meant to I think it's our purpose it's actually what I think is our purpose yeah well I hope it happens either way I you know I do wonder about the civilization things that is the argument that you need agriculture for civilization but there's some prime examples where that wasn't the case like in North America when there was like a 100 estimated 100 million people there some of those were in cities and what's what's now St Louis there was a a full a city there with full-time lodgings that could House a million people at any at any any given time massive trade routes in five different directions um the people in in Washington State uh where I grew up uh in the Columbia River Basin they were some of the considered some one of the wealthiest um civilizations ever if you considered wealth um as a as a product of or it's a function of uh how much leisure time they had how much time they had to express to like you know doing all the work that they needed to to do and get all the food they needed and then have Leisure Time these guys had the most Leisure Time in the World of any civilization that's ever existed for everybody because they had these wear and and Nets up so they just caught just just thousands of these massive salmon every day and so they could just feed their entire population and just do whatever the hell they wanted and then you know you can you can dream and philosophize and and do whatever you want after that and then even more recent well that's very recent actually but um in then in in more of the of the old world civilizations you have the Mongol the Mongols who were pastoralists and hunters and and you know and then they became the Mongol Empire and the Pax um mongolica where they they they control the largest contiguous Empire that's ever existed on Earth and they they ate meat you know they were pastelist they they drank horse blood Dr ate horse meat um fermented Mar's milk and they hunted as well in fact when their armies were moving they weren't just in like a big column and just going through they actually spread out so they were they were they were covering you know 50 100 miles this massive Army so that they could be far enough away that they could eat they could all live off the land so they you know could just do that so you know and that's and and the Mongols they didn't like destroy civilizations they created civilizations they actually brought China up to um the highest manufacturer the industrial manufacturer in the world at the time they brought um Scholars and Priests and um scientists over from Europe and the Middle East brought them over to China and swapped them over and Tred to get doctors and things like that so they were big on knowledge um you know kuon of all people that guy built over 20,000 schools in China uh during his Reign and and it was pretty amazing so you know I think that that we don't have to have one or the other I think we want 100% do both and then using the principles that that Alan Savory and yeah and Peter ballad and others have shown that you use animals in the right way you can regenerate the land you there's far more land range land and Forest land than arable land so you can have all this land that you're not going to be able to build cities on you're not going to be able to grow crops on but you can put animals on them and and make those animals available for humans to eat and make the land better and more healthy and I think doing it in those ways can also allow us to to maintain our our civilization structure but doing in a much more holistic way that will actually heal not only us but the planet as well and then yeah getting back into that you know not a tribalistic point of view but but actually caring about your family actually being close in the family structure the the community structure that was so important even in cities in Rome and in every other major city the you you have strong social and family ties and that was very very important it's only recently that governments been trying to tear family structures apart tear Community structures apart um and and tear different sorts of yeah yeah communities apart um this obviously this is a Marxist ideal you have to tear apart the family you have to get rid of the church you have to get rid of the families uh and the and the and the community for the individual because you have to make this everyone beholden to the state and the state is your community it is your church it is your god and um because everything is is about giving the state your power and um and so that's that's part of it and so I think that that's really important to take back that that aspect as well and start raising our kids in a more family community structure and not just oh takes a village to raise a kid no it doesn't f off it takes parents to raise a kid and um and you know you need you need parents that are hands on you can't just oh go to school and just raise yourself have the schools raise you you need to be a part of that and I think more and more people are are getting that now and um you know especially recently more people are are turning towards home schooling which when I was growing up that was that was an oddity that wasn't a very common thing and uh but now that's it's it's becoming much more common because people are saying look I don't like what you're telling my children I don't like what you're trying to teach them I want I want to my my kids to be my kids and not your kids and um and I think this all goes hand inand I think this is this is one big movement that is probably why it's pissing off a lot of the the globalists and the and the marxists and all these other people that are just pushing all these various agendas I think that it all comes uh all it all is is related it is and it's because it's what supports these Al alternative structures is our ability to have friends to be close with other people to be able to trust them with your life you know like I mean that's how it used to be you know like people were like literally watching out and taking care and you know there's something interesting about the Denny language of of the northern first nations in Canada that I learned that is completely in line with what you're saying about the family and it just drives us home home is they you know how in English we have our mom and our dad and then our dad's is we have our uncles and our aunts and so and then our our cousins and second cousins and our language is making them be less close to us than our parents like Uncle isn't as close as my dad whereas Denny people their tradition was their mom her all her sisters they all are your mom your dad all your uncles they're all your dad all your cousins are all your brothers and sisters because they would if if anyone passed away or died they automatically those children were just incorporated into that other unit I thought oh I love that you know it's because the language is bringing closer you know bringing closer the bring you know strengthening the bond because I mean there are you know stories like well there's one that's coming to me um I I'm feeling prompted to tell you so I'll just tell you and it's a it's meat related it's a it's a hunting related okay so you're like so this is told to me by a chief from Fork Good Hope which is very far north in Canada and this is a story about his father when his father was a young man and they were just s settled as a community so they had been very nomadic and the natives there were Native people in Canada that didn't even know about World War the world wars one or two they were not contacted until the 50s because of the planes flying over so the the culture is much fresher still the the it's not been yeah so that so anyways so they had got settled and it was their first winner where they hadn't necessarily hunted and stockpiled as much food because they had a little food post and a plane would come with supplies well winter come and the plane crashed and they were like oh no because there was no Road there's still no there's 13 communities up there still that have no summer year round Road okay so then what they did is the hunters broke up into groups and his dad who was both 19 with his friend and they went in Paris and some men went to the lake and were fishing anyways they had about a week's ration and they were a few days out and they came across tracks okay moose tracks but the wind was blowing this winter time it's cold very cold Min is 40 cold and so they said okay who's going to run cuz you see they also had that same strategy of in endurance running once they decide that they're going to go after a large game right so his father said I will run cuz he said he was a good runner and the other friend went back he said I will come back for you now this is in the Boreal Wilderness okay and so this young man starts running into the Night Cha you know following these tracks now what's serious is when it's winter time okay they you don't want to sweat okay you so he was allowing himself to sweat which means he was giving his life to get that moose because this when he said I will run it was I will run until I die or I get the Moose you go back back and so his friend said we will come back for you well he was successful and I thought a lot about that story cuz he got the moose and he said when he got there the moose was laying down exhausted because it had been running because of fear and then I had this realization and he was running on the power of love because he was thinking about everybody and how he's going to bring that meat home and how happy everyone was going to be you see because in that kind of situation we got to tap into that higher drive that higher motive because the fear will also take us over and exhaust us and so that's sort of like something that is innately in each of us that depth of commit commitment when we find our purpose or our calling or our our uh Vision to bring something better into the world is kind of like that story you know and once you start don't give up don't quit don't stop you'll you'll get there and your the end result might just be laying down waiting for you you know yeah lay waiting yeah hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the 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blood they'll drink the blood too yeah Y and there is ways you dig and you would cover your you would use the animal and the body sometimes they'll cut cut the like Gutt it and then that warmth from inside the animal to and then put yeah yeah like like in Star Wars yes yes exactly like it's it's from True Life yeah exactly yeah yeah I thought you like that yeah oh it's cool um I was going to ask you as well you you you alluded to some of your your health issues autoimmunity ETC and started having these things improve as you as you went um less plants but I I wanted to see you a was that just a natural progression for you becoming carnivore just eating less plants because it worked for you or did you have a moment where you found this community and said oh okay maybe I'll try that and what were the main differences when you went carnivore and did you find further Improvement I mean and and then then when you discovered dyum as well I don't know if you dabbled with dyum depleted water or anything like that um did that then have uh further effects on your health yes so basically how I ultimately found the pure carnivore was Dr Laos because I it was through detarium because see once I had come to understand whoa about that then and and because of the lupus you see I got interested in Browns gas therapy because it's a natural antioxidant and other things and so George wisman the inventor of that mentioned aium so then I started looking it up and that's how I found Dr llos and so I had thought okay when I heard people say oh they're conard this is what I I didn't realize they were talking only meat I thought it was just sort of almost like what the plant-based Community called anyone who still ate meat even if they ate vegetables of some kind and so once I realized I didn't need to eat the plants I you know like I was already hardly eating any anyways so it was just it was so easy for me to just let them go and you know what I noticed is because I used to drink alcohol and I stopped drinking alcohol um oh gosh I've lost count not maybe over five years ago and it wasn't that I was a an acute heavy drinker or anything but because of my my failing gallbladder I would have some apple cider and it would sometimes help the acid of my stomach and so then I didn't like the fact that I had started to regularly drink it just sort of snuck into my life as my health was declining and I was trying to have relief from this pain I've had so much pain right and so then I went oh that's a bad habit I don't want to have that so I quit but what I noticed it wasn't easy to quit you know and I noticed there's like a little voice that says oh you've worked hard today oh your knees hurt oh your back hurts you whatever just have a little bit you know it'll help your stomach that little voice right well I discovered the carbohydrates have that same little voice that same little voice and what I noticed it's gone completely I don't even think about eating carbohy hydrates I don't crave them I don't want them I don't imagine them it's like it's so similar to the addiction that the alcohol can create it's so similar because of the habitual language you'll you don't even realize you don't even realize and so honestly since I've gone completely plantree I feel so free it as a woman the burden of preparing meals and cooking and all of that is gone it's so much simpler it you know like honestly it there's so many good things but yes my my like I sleep great now I sleep you know I even had had this I used to call it my porcupine quill it was like a a whisker in my I have a scar in my Chek it fell out so it's like oh it's really interesting so like I would say I think the reason I have eyeglasses is from the oxalates that's what I think caused it in my opinion in my that's just my opinion um but I don't you know they're just for reading um but you know I had uh honestly like I think I've had I you know what else I suffered from I suffered from this really strange type of anemia I used to eat tons of onions and then I found out that that it affects your blood and this what makes it poisonous for dogs onions are poisonous for some animals because it affects I think it affects now I could be wrong something to do with the oxygen delivery in the blood and I was like I cuz I used to get laded and feel faint I don't have that anymore it's completely gone and I'm like so much of what I suffered from was from eating plants and I I remember hating hating like cabbage when I was a kid oh my God you know and and my parents were these dirt poor people Farmers from the Prairies you know and that you know you got to you force your kids to eat these foods that you know it it's like no wonder we have to force us children cuz it's like their body knows it's toxic you know like really honestly so yeah so that part of it I'm trying to think yeah there's been a lot I migraines oh I used to suffer from migraines I haven't had a migraine in so long I can't remember nice I know it's so amazing it's so amazing but you know probably I you know maybe it's because of some of my DNA having been an you know from uh indigenous people of North America who really you know knowing to be primary meat eaters right and egg eaters and Fish Eaters is what I think but um like 87% I read when I almost lost my gallbladder like it was really bad like I I you know I I suffered a lot with it 87% of all gallbladders removed in Canada is in indigenous women and like indigenous yeah it's because our system's not adapted to the starch the high starch so never mind the diabetes like that's a whole another but yeah the gallbladder huge huge huge so many yeah so many people have had that lost that I'm so glad I still have mine yeah oh that's great so I mean it's always wonderful to hear these stories and people doing so much better um I also want to say you you sent me a very interesting chart um before we wrap up I want to show everybody this you're able to study the the levels of dyum and things and and typically from you know talking to llo you know you want to sort of get below 130 120 parts per million of dyum and so you start getting above that and then then you start having problems um in your know metabolic Health they can the utan which is heavy hydrogen so hydrogen is just one proton uh with an electron and dyum is a proton but with a neutron so it's the same charge it still acts chemically and and um know physically as as uh proton as a as a hydrogen but it's double the weight so it's is a massive difference and that actually has a huge uh role to play um structurally and and molecularly so going through your mitochondria can actually damage the mitochondria because you have these these hydrogen transport tunnels and and um molecules and so that looks like throwing a bowling ball into a blender it just sort of chews it all up and so getting your detarium levels down lower is very good for your overall health your mondal health Etc and so the different sorts of foods it matters a being a carnivore it can help you um because you're ketogenic and when you're ketogenic that can help make dyum free water in your MIT Andria and so your deuterium levels sort of go down usually below 120 you're drinking water that's usually about 150 parts per million so you're you know just just surviving and hydrating you know you're going to get you're going to get raised up and then being ketogenic that can reduce that and then just eating the meat itself you that can probably help more because as you know we're going to see here some different foods that we eat have different uh amounts of Dum as well so let me see if I can share my screen um these are our first test results we're going to be sending more in there we go awesome there it is I don't know if that's blocking it but yeah so so we have these here and we have so we see you know the the optimal levels here in the green and then the elevated didn't seem to find anything that's too horrific which is great um but even then you'll squash twinberry garlic are all in the elevated form what I think is very funny what you pointed out is that you check like you know this insect meal they're always trying to push you know to eat the bugs but um the bugs are actually very high in deuterium so it's not it it is an animal it's going to have animal proteins and fats it's going to have nutrients that's good uh but it's also very high in dyum and it's not necessarily the exact um nutrition profile that we we need although I I I don't think people should completely say that this is something know I mean a lobster is a bug crabs are bugs you know they have exoskeletons is this is um you know this isn't something that should be don't throw the baby out with the bath water what's that I wonder have I wonder that would be something interesting to test oh yeah yeah definitely that would be interesting yeah especially because they live in water and water's high in uterum too so I wonder about that um but uh yeah so you know we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water I mean there there are good things I don't think we should just subsist on insects by any stretch of the imagination but you know let's not not pretend it's just the worst thing on Earth because it does have redeeming factors but very high in deuterium but then fat like you said fat is very low in duum so that's actually quite low 113 parts per million and then lamb goat cheese would be in the 120s and then beef even lower than that and this is looks like your be so this is the the beef that you raise I presume yeah and the other one it was just a random sample I grabbed from the farmers market in the city just just to have an absolute unexpected yeah test comparison and so yeah and that's goat cheese yeah and so these were and it was a wild wild berry that twinberry I'm thinking to do that exact thing and to put it through a c to separate the seed because I sent them in whole see if there was a change if we remove the seeds and the skin I guess it also depends on how people normally eat them too is it possible to get the seeds out of small berries and things like that too yeah but yeah have a special little Sie like it's a special type of appar but this is an undomesticated wild type of berry it's kind of yeah it's got a it's almost like a the nature of a grape this gel it's it's an unusual Berry that's why I sent it in because it's not been domesticated but anyways yeah it's it's you know and like I was saying too about you know Al the you know 130 or lower depending on what you're dealing with and so very easy and this was organic I want to stress this was from an organic garden okay a really longtime friend of mine Irene who has a beautiful garden in McBride that got a beautiful Farm she's a you know and so it'll be very interesting to see if we can drop that because it was coming from a really high quality soil and the garlic you know so so it'll be interesting to see and and so what we're wanted to do is start compiling this data and as we collect so so members from all around you know we'll send samples in and then we're going to con you know start keeping track and then seeing okay and start experimenting and seeing what is can we move these numbers are there different varieties heirloom varieties so now you we got to start with a reference point right and begin somewhere and then I really feel that this information it needs to be like permanently added into our cultural awareness so this you know it it's almost criminal that it's taken this long along to reach the common people's awareness because it's so relevant it's so pertinent it's you know it it it even though there's so many toxins and you know people is like well what you know what's really you know the big bad one to me this is the big bad one this is the grizzly bear okay compared to a little lyns okay like that's the difference detarium is equal to a grizzly bear yeah I wonder what um what like the processed foods would be you know like the sugar cereals and you know and and you know cakes and muffins and all that sort of I'd say 150 155 I I don't even think like literally in my opinion they are cannot be classed as a food I don't consider them food yeah certainly just because you chew it up and you put it in your mouth and chew doesn't mean that it's food you know you could do that to anything literally it's not and it's really not and it's not adequate and so this is why you know this is an example of people be Innovative figure out how to do this work together collaborate together and find a way to take complete charge of what your family and all the people you love are consuming because this is a serious situation I mean I'm like fully convinced this is the number one driver behind all of our um issues cuz because of like what even Stephanie we were talking about that it it it's like the body is potentially has multiple built-in mechanisms as Last Resorts to try to protect the host from excess of deteran concentration and her theory that maybe that's what cancer is is last tempt a last Stitch attempt to kind of like almost like a you know pulling it in and and helping it it it's amazing Theory she has but once you you really get a sense of what the detarium does in the body it's something that's important in extremely precise low levels and once we go above that oh boy it get bad fast yeah yeah definitely so are the is this available um online on your website or Is there and there is are there other resources where you can find like the different amounts of dyum in food eventually eventually yeah we're g to make a little publication so people can find out more they can contact me just through uh our my website which is my name you can Google my name and it'll come up and it's the four corner table is what we call our group and then yeah and then through that we are on an adventure to see if we can take control and incorporate this you see it's about we can learn this stuff but then how do we incorporate it into our life you know like if we have support and and uh with other people we you know just like the carnivore Community you know we support each other right well this is like taking it one step farther and really giving it a sound scientific Foundation you know but the and like I said we'll possibly possibly there is a way for us to also super purify our own water at home and that I believe will be an astronomical breakthrough and uh I I think it is honestly we're just testing it right now yeah that fun well great well uh Jack thank you so much for coming on that was really interesting and a lot of fun uh to talk to you about all this um how do people find you and and uh support and follow your work yeah it's just my name jacine Millan Google that and you'll find my website yeah the four corner table that's what we're called and and I might put uh after when you post I might make a comment and put it in there too sure and I'll put it I'll get the link and put it in the description as well so people can look down below and find and we're accepting members so if people are interested and they'd like to to join and learn and be part of the research project then yeah we're accepting applications for that too perfect I'll put that below and people can take a look Jack thank you so much for coming on it's this it's been a lot of fun and um thank you all for watching I hope you enjoyed that and please do go and check out jacquin's website and learn more there thank you all very much and we'll see you next time hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast and if you're on YouTube then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I have a new video out which should be every week if not more and if you could share this with your friends that would 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