"We Have Been Misled About Our True NUTRITION!" | Eric Reynolds, Keto Five-O

the only diet that's been studied in a rigorous fashion is the ketogenic diet and it's been the most heavily studied diet ever and is the most rigorously studied diet the plant-based diet there it's only epidemiology and very poorly poorly control poorly designed studies it's garbage because they know it's garbage and they're trying to fudge the numbers and fake things around to push an ideology instead of actually finding out what's what's right for humans to eat welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hey everyone thank you for joining another episode of the plant freemd podcast this is your host Dr Anthony chaffy today I have a very special guest Eric Reynolds who goes by keto 5 Eric thank you so much for coming on hey hey thanks for having me brother not a problem so for people haven't come across you can you tell us a little bit about you oh let's see let's get to it quick I'm a sports uh nutritionist and personal trainer now I'm kind of like a coach for First Responders I was obese sick you know cop for about 20 years found the ketogenic way of life you know retired gave up that career and at the time was coaching a bunch of cops that were losing weight and it just kind of turned into something and I kept going with it and at the same time we sold our house we travel full-time in an RV and that led to me creating a nonprofit to help cops called cops en campers and we're trying to bring in metabolic health and you know outdoor therapy to help with these guys with PTSD and some of their other health issues they have so it's turned my direction in life is toly gone another way that I ever thought it would be so 80 pounds later you know my mind is clear um loving life and enjoying homeschooling my kids as we travel around so it's pretty crazy exciting life a lot better than what it used to be yeah well they're very good so how did you come to keto carnivore sort of diets it was about 2018 playing basketball being I think it was about 245 250 pounds at 6 foot tall so I I had that lineman body like offensive guard or a center or something never was tall enough to carry that kind of weight and I don't know what else is going wrong cholesterol talks with my doctors you know stuff like that and one of my friends I played ball with had lost 50 lbs doing something called keto you know was Word of Mouth thing and I saw it with my own eyes I saw him I saw him grabbing the rim I'm like wow you weren't doing that you know six months ago and even though he used to be able to do when he wasn't 50 pounds overweight so he told me about it and it sounded so foreign to me like ketogenic burning ketones what like it was crazy man and then I looked into it and I started all right let's try this for a little bit learned about fastening you know meal timing and trying to get my window you know into six hours and then five and then you know cut it down to two meals a day but I saw instant success I went from 250 to about 235 in two weeks like 15 pounds came off you know I know you always jump start in the beginning when you're getting off that process garbage and it just continued and six months later I was down like 35 40 lbs and guys at the department were like first are you sick hey Reynolds you all right man like no I'm feeling great man you got to try this stuff man I go I'm just wired you know my energy level went off the freaking roof man it was awesome you know and it just kept going from there and then I discovered carnivore you know I started reading some books you know like a Big Fat Surprise by Nina and all these other Dr Barry's book and I was like wow then the carnivore code and I was like man this carnivore stuff's making sense to me right and another 50 lbs came off and saw my abs for the first time man it was like I knew they were there hadn't seen them maybe since like fourth grade and all of a sudden here I am a 50-year-old guy and I'm like Mo look at myself in the mirror going honey look at this this is insane you know but I got healthier at the time too you know that that's what the biggest key was and man I fell in love with it I was like man I wish I knew this my whole life from the get-go you know and then you backtrack you find out how my mom in the 80s you know young working mom doing cop hero cop stuff and I'm like eating Kellogg cereals and poptarts and then the school lunches and she thought she was doing the right thing you know she didn't know so you just see the whole corruption and you know obviously being a law enforcement I start peeling I'm looking in the window I'm like a this is dirty there's some really bad stuff going on with the whole system and they're profiting from us all being sick and then I took the personal at that point you know and I just started trying to grow my little business and help guys and try to tell them the truth and finding more guys like you and this movement that's happening that they're trying to keep down but they can't keep down this success man you know yeah well hopefully not I mean I think I think cat's fairly well out of the bag at this point you know even if all our channels get shut down and everything like that you know then um I think there's I think there's enough people that have at least heard about it and they have friends that are doing it that it can it can keep sort of spreading from there so I think it's I think they're GNA have to try a different tack at this point I hope they hope they just stop being you know Bond villains and trying to screw people up and you're right Bond villains yeah so sorry Gran no I was gonna say they they gotta figure out how they make money with it that's what they're overall or power control whatever you know how deep you want to go with it you know once they figure out like the fake keto Foods out there hey we got a niche now we're in there you know so yeah well that's the thing yeah if you make it you make it commercially viable at least that aspect of it is going to be favorable to them they're like oh okay hey we can we can make money this way like I'm fine giving people money if if they give a good product that's healthy you know but that's the thing I don't I don't want them to pretend it's healthy and good for you and try to trick people into buying their crap you know it has to actually be good for you and helpful so but if they do that then that's great you know but if not then get out of town you know I mean that's the whole you know those snake oil salesman that would come through oh wow this is so great so wonderful and they'd sell it all to you then they're out of town by the time everyone's getting sick and that's sort of what they're doing but on a on a worldwide scale and instead of you know running out of town and just pretending they just pay off the people who are supposed to be keeping people safe and and checking safeguarding these things you know or they or they are those people and then they're just you know they got the fox guarding the hen house you know yeah I saw the over what the holidays all the food giveaways and donation Bank food banks since I'm just seeing all this garbage man I'm like man just and they it's coming off like it's such a great thing feeding these people poison and I'm like this is insane this is totally Bizarro World it doesn't anybody and I didn't know it before I was ignorant to it I didn't know it was on this bad of a scale the food industry and how bad the stuff they're pushing is you know I mean I always thought hey you know you Mee in vegetables you threw in some sweets after supper or something and that's kind of how it was and this eating all day stuff running your metabolism till it's exhausted gez you know it's very eye openening man I'm excited I mean it's giving me a new passion after my last career you know so yeah well that's great so you said that you were feeling a lot better too and your health was improving uh do you do you mind telling us about some of your health issues that were able to improve or or maybe not everything one of the one of the biggest things that I suffered through was I was shot in 2012 by a bank robber that I robbed a bank in another city um we had a car chase and it was one of those you know it's on YouTube it's one of those ones that gets your heart rate going right another reason why I was telling you about the hard stuff that happens with cops right so um he crash he opens his door he's trying to get out and I'm getting out of my car and he starts shooting and I got hit in the uh left foot and I took a round off my right leg but it grazed me luckily enough just you know nice little line off the leg and me and another roster and I returned fired and ended up killing him at the scene and then from that point on was hey you know hero cops blah blah blah you know and it was awesome and we were honored but at the same time the mental game started playing in your mind you know all that PTSD starts creeping in from that trauma of that incident you know you don't think about it at first so then from 2012 until about 2015 that's when my weight increased I went I was about 220 at the time when I was shot and I put on another 30 lbs over the next like six years and it was I wasn't eating myself to death I know it was the cortisol levels the stress of the job just really pushing you know my body's trying to protect itself it was going through a lot so I had the battle workers comp to get PTSD therapy even though they cover the foot and all that stuff because it's a visible injury they couldn't see the mental injuries and that don't mean I was in a fetal position in the room it was just hyper vigilance all the time imagine being I mean I know you played rugby right right before the game you're running out in the field and you're just imagine that was your shift all the time all day long right and then you get to a hot call and you go up even higher so it was totally beating me up and my wife pointed it out and I got the help I needed but as that Journey started is when I also started doing the ketogenic about 2018 and my mind started healing in a lot of ways you know I learned how to dance with the central nervous system thing that was going on with PTSD you know and it calmed me down the inflammation calmed me down you know overall losing the weight um it made me more positive overall with everything that was going on maybe it was the confidence in myself like wow you lost 50 pounds and that keep going man keep going and people complimenting you and then you know me making a decision my wife pretty much forced me to make the decision to retire early and leave that career behind and a lot of money trust me we l a lot of money that's why guys hold on so long you know it's it's really beneficial they they get every drop of blood out of you man it they really and that's why we die five years later after we freaking retire so I got out and I felt the best in my life man I couldn't tell you how good I was feeling man it was just and I kept telling people you know how it is you always find out when people are on keto or they're a gun owner or whatever they're always happy to talk about within the first one minute and I was just glowing man I even get people at the gym they like they call me like Jesus they're like you're glowing like Jesus and I go man you got to change your diet it's insane I know I sound like I'm selling something I'm not selling anything I don't make any money this is all out of my own pocket and my own mouth just yapping about it man and people are responsive to it they see it you know all my cop buddies that have lost weight like you got to talk to Eric and I just turn them on I let set them free in this world I go educate him with some videos and some knowledge and they figure it out man it doesn't take long you know to figure out what's going on and I know I got off with the tangent but I was feeling so passionate about is why so many other great things happen in my life I changed my life you know and the diet was a huge Factor you know or the proper way to eat I mean I don't call I hate calling it a diet but I was dying with the old diet so this new way of eating saved my life so it's I mean I don't know if you had a journey of ever getting really big and obese you know but I never realized how fat I was you know and sick you know looking back in my late 30s my 40s and I see it all the time now these cops you know I drive them around I see them trying to do the right thing trying to manage that stress you can I can see it they're just inflame like glowing you know hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that 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wrong and you know I equate it to the the Romans that had lead pipes and they were all just getting low-grade lead poisoning for generations and they just they just they were just born into it so they just thought that yeah this is normal this is just how people live and these are the illnesses that they get and this is just how the body breaks down down that's normal and it's not normal it's completely abnormal but you have to be on the outside of it looking in to see that and I I never got you know like to that extent where I was I was very very overweight I could I would get big for me but I was always pretty active I never ate dirty like I never ate junk food I was never a big drinker except as a teenager I drank way more from 14 to 17 than did the rest of my life and wow okay um uh well not quite that probably probably 20 to or sorry 17 to 20 maybe because that's when I I was playing rugby and so yeah but it was still only it was like once a week you know and and that was like in college and things like that which is pretty damn good for most colleges that's that's really good it took me six years to get out of college because of drinking so yeah that's what Florida that's what Florida state does to you yeah and um but yeah but then you know when I turned 21 it was just like like the thrill was gone it just like it didn't excite me anymore I was like oh I I can go to the bar now oh I'm allowed in here and I all a sudden I realized like I've been coming here for three years on a fake ID like this is this is stupid and I instantly it just did not interest me anymore and you remember that fake do you remember the fake name on the ID um not my not the one I used for a while um but like I had I had my brothers for a while too because we we looked okay and um and then I passed mine down to my little brother and all my friends that had brothers did that stuff man they always had good IDs real ones yeah that's it yeah and so it was it was legit so um that was that worked really well but um but then when I turned 21 I just I just lost interest in it and I felt so much better when I wasn't drinking athletically it was just n day difference and so I just during the rugby season and just had best season in my life and then I was like okay all right I'm going to do this for the whole year next year and I just can't have the best year of my life athletically and so that was it from there it's just I don't drink during rugby season and I never made an excuse or an exception uh because you make make one exception you'll make it you'll make a thousand exceptions there's always something right and so you know I just said no I'm not going to do that and so I always ate I mean I did I did carnivore from 20 to 25 and and um just because I wasn't going to eat plants plants are plants are toxic and um and then I sort of slipped off of it I started slipping back into Whole Foods but you know we always ate Whole Foods we never had junk food in my house and awesome even though I liked candy I mean like most people do um I was never like I would never go out and like just buy a bunch of candy and it was just like you know every year or so I might buy candy like I was just I was never buying candy bars and candy cies and all that sort of stuff the most would be like Pringles you know I like Pringles like during medical school like just crush a a tube I bet or something like that and um you get a bunch of energy you get this big car brush like oh that's great you know and then you start yeah not feeling great after that so um but I was I always I always ate pretty clean always cook my own food very meat heavy you know then just some like vegetables or salad or something like that never was big on pasta or bread or anything like that it was mostly just meat and veg and um and never any like sugars and things like that but even then you know if I wasn't working out if I was working out I'd stay real lean and muscular but if I was not just the vegetables were enough to just soften the you know D up and put on fat and and uh and lose muscle it was crazy and um and so I was sort of in that when I when I when I went back into carnivore at 38 and I was I was around 270 and I sort of fluctuated dipped into like 272 I mean sometimes when I like bulk up like you know in between seasons and I wasn't like training my ass off and I was just lifting I get freaking big so I would be like wow at one point I was like 275 276 something like that 270 mid mid-range 270 and I remember um and not really fat but I I was you know I I wasn't like sh shed lean or anything like that still see by six pack stuff like that but it was just bulky wow and um like an NFL player yeah and I remember um I remember looking at myself in like I just sort of at the gym and I was lifting weights and um because I I would put on weight pretty quickly when I when I would work out because I'd work out really hard and then but i' be training so hard with rugby doing so many Sprints and so many runs that I would I would it was hard to keep on waight I had to really try to keep on weight during the season but then as soon as I was like had a month off or something like that I would just I would just slam on weight and um and so I remember at one point I had like a month off and all of a sudden I was I was at the gym and I was lifting weights and all of a sudden I just sort of out the corner of my eye uh saw this just Monster dude just walking by me I was just cool and I realized it was myself in the mirror and I was like I scared myself my own my own shadow basically and I was just oh God gee I was just like Jesus that guy's huge and I was just like oh [ __ ] that's me and and then you know you get into the season you start running and and I would generally shred down to about 245 uh pretty cut you know and um and that was usually my playing weight and I I would try to maintain that and um so you know I would get heavier and now I'm probably around 230 something like that I go between like 230 240 at the moment uh depending on how much I'm able to work out and um but I would get bigger so I get bigger so I could go into that 270 range but I but I'd still be relatively muscular and and you know could still sort of see a semblance of a six-pack and so that's where I was at 38 but I wasn't like I hadn't really been in the gym regularly I was definitely in the worst shape of my life I don't think I've ever been in in that bad of a shape so that was you know and I just been just doing work for a long time and doing humanitarian work and helping my folks and taking time off and all that sort of stuff and then I was just getting back into working out I'm like no I want to get you know I want to get in shape and go back and play rugby and um so that was my sort of that was a sort of biggest but it it just like just shred immediately as soon as I just stopped the vegetables again I was already not eating carbs because I was I just realized that that when I was eating anything with carbs my back just hurt like hell and so get away from those things it' be like four days and then it would the pain would go away and then I was like okay I don't have back pain if I don't eat carbs and so I'm like I'm not going to eat that stuff and then I was just eating the vegetables and lean meat and I was just sort of maintaining around you know between 265 and 270 and then I you know said no I'm dropping all the vegetables again just going back to eat a whole bunch of meat ate a lot more meat and then I lo I went down to 243 in 10 days you know and then I just stayed there and I was because I was working out so much I was putting on a lot of muscle and I was losing fat at the same time you know these guys say like oh you can't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time it's either gaining fat and gaining muscle or losing fat and losing muscle there's no way you can do both well you're you're just doing it wrong you know if you do it right and you eat properly then no that's actually pretty damn straightforward you can uh you can definitely lose fat and gain muscle and I L I stay the exact same weight I was 243 every single day for months it wasn't a single day that I got up and I got got up in the morning peed and weighed myself every single time it was 243 on the nose it wasn't a single day there was 244 242 it was 243 every single day but I was just trans you know and um you know so that was great you know I wasn't I definitely wasn't happy with the way I looked but uh or my fitness uh at that time but um you know I definitely I definitely was yeah definitely wasn't happy with that and I and I just wasn't happy with how I felt you know I felt bloated all the time I couldn't cross my arms I I just couldn't sit like that it just hurt to like put my arms or anything like that on my stomach and so I I'd like hold my hands down here like cross them in my lap I couldn't cross my hands across my my body like that it actually hurt and I just had really crappy energy just didn't feel good I was pasty I was pale things like that two months later and I'm like six shades dark darker in the middle of winter in Seattle you know what happened there I was just like you know probably more blood and circulation improved you know so yeah it's wild it's absolutely wild what little things you don't even realize are wrong that just go away you know yeah well we since we're homeschool I have uh two boys and they're eight and eight and 12 right now and they're little keto of Wars you know they throw in their blueberries and frozen strawberries that's their ice cream I mean they don't maybe they pour some goat milk on it or something like that but they eat real clean I mean they they eat the way I wish I ate they still enjoy eating it's not like they're being you know a family in the beginning would be uh oh let them have one cookie or a little bit of candy and we're like why why you know it wasn't we were the anti we just had other other options maybe it's an almond flour cake we would use for birthdays instead of that toxic other stuff you know we and we learned a lot along the way but I was thinking how much fast food did I eat growing up you know I was telling my wife I go every because we cook all the time I'm just I'm like liver King cooking with all kinds of meats all the time outside because these kids are eating me out of a ribeye and work all the time so I'm always just Mass cooking and I'm like man I don't ever remember cooking like this growing up you know I may had fast you know TV dinners and I ate that crap pretty much from the time I was 10 years old until I was 48 years old and it's insane that the body's that resilient to be able to come back and heal itself also at the same time I mean to just be able to see my transformation and some of the other guys that I've helped knowing that it's simply from and I threw in vegetables because I felt guilty bro that's the only reason I ever ate them damn things and then once I cut it out I lost the other 50 pounds I was like see all that throwing in broccoli you make my mom feel better or something you know that old you know brainwashing got to eat your broccoli or your vegetable I was I'm still amazed I'm like man and they can't make an industry out of it of course of course that's why they hate the you know the meat industry I get it now you know and I love it man I eat twice a day sometimes once a day depending on when I time that first meal usually it's like one o'clock in the afternoon um I do not eat before I work out obviously I mean I love working out fasting and I tell cops when they get on shift if they're on a 12-h hour shift try to fast your whole shift you got to do coffee you know do that stuff you can do bone broth and try to give yourself some kind of nutrition as you're working but to be in that mode of like a Hungry Cat I'm telling you as a cop is going to keep you focused and other things in life I mean you can be a crane operator I mean it's the focus and where you're at you know and I know 12 hours a long time to be like that but these guys get together at the end of the shift they go have breakfast and of course it's like bacon and eggs and they're like man there's some [ __ ] to this man it's it's wild dude and it's simple you know a couple of guys are like I didn't even do keto I just went straight to carnivore I'm like all right man because I don't want to tell people to try that because obviously there's a little stomach adjustment and we all went through it you know and you know I couldn't trust the fart there for a while because I was like whoa I don't know what's happening you know CU my body was changing and getting this new diet and it's it's been great man and it's so and it's easy if you have to eat out there's ways I mean chicken wings you can get some places that have a crappy steak I mean it's better than eating the other stuff you know if you got to freaking wing it in you know or throw it in there as I say you know you can do it it's just educating people about it you know and it's and my testosterone's fine as my wife she's like get away from me I'm like man you know she's like she's 48 she's like I don't want any more kids we ain't GNA be one of those couples that has a kid at 50 you know so but it's great man like you said the energy level the the everything just the overall changing of the whole body yeah and I did transform and that's why we're talking about the high CA score if that's all healing it just shows how sick I was but then it also shows well that's really good because I've healed and now we just got to obviously stay this way I got to stay the course you know I know inflammatory foods really affect me I just wore uh I got one of those glucose monitors for the first time because I was like I never needed it right and I was like let me just see you know because I'm telling people to get it I might as well try it myself and see how it works and you know it made sense to me and it's interesting you know a couple like the I had an energy drink the other day what Celsius or something and it freaking peaked up to 130 but for the most part you know I'm always around 100 90 or something and then once in a while in the middle of the night it'll drop really low and I'm like what's going on you know but it's interesting you know and you got to dive into your own health man unfortunately we've given up that right to the medical association we just trust everything they said you know they're like the new religion as they say and the doctors are the new priest and if they tell you to do something you're probably going to do it that's true yeah I um yeah well the thing I don't know where this this came from the people's like testosterone gets damaged like I've never seen I've only seen positive improvements on testosterone I've seen 70y old men triple their testosterone and get back to like levels that you expected at a healthy 25 year old I've seen 20 year olds that had like seriously like it look like gonadal You' think it would be primary gonadal failure that their their testical just didn't work their levels were so low they go on Carnivore and they're not even really able to stick with it they sort of have some cheats and some crap in their room and like this kid's mom was telling me like he's not he's you know he's he's mostly eating meat but he pulls some stuff in his room this that even then even then he like you know he doubled his testosterone level back into a more reasonable range and now and then it kept going up from that two months you know so I've I've never seen that I've seen the exact opposite of what these people said I've never seen anybody's testosterone go down I've seen guys come off testosterone replacement therapy and in inrease their testosterone after that a lot of people will not believe that but uh I've seen it and I've SE and the the idea is is that after you've been on trt for a time you it's not that you're you're you suppressed your testicles and they just they won't produce testosterone again that's actually not the case it can actually it can actually rest them so they're not overworking be like if you if you if your TSH was very elevated for your thyroid and you give yourself give somebody a bit of thyroid doesn't necessarily raise your levels too high just makes it so your your thyroid doesn't have to work so hard to make that level and then least for a while you get rid of the the roadblocks that are causing that problem with your thyroid and then you come off the thyroid medication it just works better afterwards um so you can actually rest the go ad now if you don't change what you're doing and you come off testosterone yeah well why would it come up it's going to go right back down of course it will but it when people went carnivore and I've had people go carnivore for six months and they just feel amazing they're like hey do I do I still still need to be on this stuff no it's only if you want to so we T tested their testosterone one guy tested him and um this is an Australian numbers but it was 450 ideal range for a 25y old would be 600 to 900 in Australian terms and and um you know so he's he's fine I mean the guy was 60 you know so it's like it's not horrible and um and then tested him again two months later and it was up at 650 you know so it had actually come up when he came off the testosterone cream you know and so and that's what you see you just see you just see people getting better better and healthier yeah mine was 300 or something in 2019 when I was still doing the keto and you I was in the progress of that or trying trying it then and now it's what 750 or something so I mean it's and it probably doubled like you said when two three months of changing my diet but I never retested at that point but yeah I don't you know the only thing they got on me is is I think I'm a hyper responder you know my trigs and my you know HDL are always pretty you know like 80 78 they're always around there and then my LDL is always real high you know it's like 255 now but everything else all my other numbers are just and everything seems to be tied to the LDL even the Messa heart attack um predictor Within 10 years I just sit there and start playing with the numbers I'm like how funny if I keep lowering anything that's tied to the LDL calculation it lowers the risk rate no matter what I weigh no matter what my ethnic race is according to the little chart you know it's just funny because now it went up it was 133% now it's 23% you know I remember talking to cardiologists and he's like yep 20 20% or whatever and I was like but that's 80% chance nothing will happen though right you know I'm trying to be positive here and have a lot of gratitude I mean you know you know but you're so right man you it's I don't know what I mean obviously the industry is there for a reason they got a business to run and this goes against the business model they want you to have everything for everything that through them you know whether it's you know like you said testosterone or you need freaking obviously the cholesterol scam and I don't know I just I pay attention to the triglycerides obviously my htl and you know I look at some of the other issu I'm get my lipid proteins looked at just to make sure but you know like we discussed there's one more procedure I'm probably going to do just make sure the pipes are clean and you know go from there but you know it's it's been a whole new education for me and my family and it's spreading it through the family now finally you know it's been five years come on I'm still walking around like this the same guy I haven't changed I haven't put on the we you you know that's what they're always saying you going just fall right back into it n now when you understand that shit's poison why you going to go back you know I would tell parents that was like oh I'd be so embarrassed to bring my own cupcake to a birthday party I'm like why they have cocaine and heroin there you're just going to let your kids just start snorting and injecting it I mean that's really what you're doing I mean a long term I mean it's a slow death if you start getting hooked on this carbohydrates and processed foods and sugars and stuff and especially high fruit T corn syrup I mean that's not that's should illegal I don't even know how that's floating around in our food so well a lot of these stuff should be age restricted probably I mean Sugar's a drug I mean it is a drug we've shown that uh clinically we've shown that experimentally we've shown that in um that it it it's gives dopamine response to the reward centers of your brain Like Cocaine heroin and meth and can kill the same areas of your brain to the same extent as meth right and it damages your body like alcohol like why the hell are we giving this stuff to kids and and having it be legal right and we promoting oh yeah so good this is just this is just this just drug pushers 101 you get kids hooked early and you have a a customer for life you know they don't give a [ __ ] these are the same people these are the same people that that ran the tobacco companies are now running the the food and sugar companies it's the same people and they they do the same tactics they're just and you know the the tobacco companies back in the day they they wanted to make candy cigarettes and things like that to get kids thinking it's cool to smoke I bought those as a kid I did too yeah and I was just like oh this is cool and they had powdered sugar in them they had the sort of this wrapper and you go throw it out this poof of powdered sugar oh wow Isn't that cool to the point that like I was a kid and there was like people like flick a cigarette butt down I'm like oh I want that I picked I remember trying to get it I'm like oh God and I was just like I was like that the worst thing ever I think my throat hurt for like a week after that and um you know but that that's what they're trying to do you know this psychological warfare that they're playing on us and now we're sort of in our in our opium trade where this stuff is legal but it is a hardcore drug it just sucks you know I mean what kind of high are you getting that Sugar I mean you're not even getting drunk you know and that's like it damages your liver and your body in the same ways as alcohol damages your brain the same way as meth and why because and you eat it because it's nummy I like what the hell is the point of that I mean like it it it makes no sense and yet people do it and they give this stuff to kids because it doesn't make you really high they just so they think that it something is only as bad as the high it makes oh it's not the same as that you're right it's worse because it's in everything it's in super high doses and you have no idea that this stuff is as bad as it is so you're right it's not the same it's way [ __ ] worse sorry to swear but like it's it's way worse and it's and it's legal and it's not age restricted so yeah it's you're right it's not the same it's much worse and um you know this stuff is absolutely toxic but um you know I honestly I think that that's exactly what we should do is is age restrict sugar I'm not really a fan of outright Banning a lot of things like even you know various substances that are harmful but you at least age restrict them you know like we understand that alcohol is bad for kids smoking is bad for kids uh so you don't let them do that you say okay when you're an adult you can make an adult decision that's your choice you want to you want to mess up your life that's your call but you don't get to addict kids early on and destroy their life and destroy their development that goes against the business model though like you said you got to get them I mean that's why it's I mean Halloween is the most insane what we do is we give out beef sticks those little like slim gems and we give out erasers and pencils and yeah we're that family cuz I I yeah but you know what the house is fun and you know and it's just we are staying in our lane and this is and you know what some people Ah that's a good idea like my kids take all their candy and they turn it in and they get a toy like a Lego set or something that we had pre-selected that they stashed and now they that's their trait and then we get rid of that and people are like do you save it for next year now throw that [ __ ] out man what am I GNA do with that crap you know um yeah it's my kids I mean they were born naturally my wife's freaking hard charger Superwoman you know no drugs they breastfed each one for three years so in a way there're our own little experiment going on right here and because we found out my wife was Gluten Sensitive because of the breastfeeding with my firstborn because some of his digestive issues he was having with some of the mucus and and then you know we laid off glute and then all of a sudden you know doctor was asking about the kid how is he doing and my wife's like I think he's good but I feel fantastic you know and she was like I guess I had an allergy to gluten or whatever you know some of the other stuff we were doing too many oats and um stuff like that but yeah these kids we know it the M minute we let them step out of line and have a little bit of like a slice of pizza somewhere it takes two days for them to shake that [ __ ] man it is like they're physically high like you were saying they're hot they're innocent Their little bodies haven't had this at all touch their system and we see it and I'm like wow most of us are just numb to that because we've been getting it small doses since we're little kids you know does I do enough I have two almond butter right I have one that's like has a little bit of cane sugar in it and one without if I do the one just a little scoop sometimes I need a little something you know I'll do a little scoop almond butter now and then but if I do the one that has that cane sugar it's pulling me back man it's making me go right back and almost think about doing that second scoop and we openly talk about it in our family about how it does that then we laugh and sometimes we fight it off we're like yeah you know but you know my kids are learning learning this and they they know how to read the back of labels and stuff like that like all this stuff I wish I mean that's true education because they're going to understand it later in life and at least they're not going to have to suffer the way like my wife did or I did with some of the physical and even the insecurities of being a fat dude trying to take his shirt off around other jocks and I was a jock too what's going on you know like I worked out I was running around with those guys you know I never realized how important what I was putting in my body you know and at least my kids know that they're on the right path they might be one day sitting there doing a podcast talking about their old man you know hey this he started keto 5 you know cuz he just lost some weight and helped some cops you know but it's about spreading the word man and those little guys are my life they sa my life I was in my 40s having two boys people like you're like a grandfather what are you doing but keto and carnivore just re you know invigorated me and just gave me this fight for life and it's been it's just awesome man and people give up to freaking Rat Race man sell your house get a trailer travel around for a few years you'll find a new place to live work on some Farms like we did we worked on three different Farms man I got to slaughter animals are you kidding me I've never seen anybody slaughtered let alone you know except bad guys but you know some of the animals just experiencing that life of being with them dayto day getting to know them it's very therapeutic you know and it does calm especially you know I'm sure some of these soldiers and guys that have some combat issues work working on farms and just doing some stuff like that it's really great therapy and that's what some of the cops and camper stuff I do when we get out there together we talk about you know who likes to go fishing or who likes to build fencing or who likes to just keep themselves busy and then you talk as you doing all this stuff you know you build another I call it like roll call like we have in in police work it's like a roll call for us retired guys that I've been through some [ __ ] that get together and then besides going to breakfast and eating bad crap which I for of course bacon and eggs and stuff like that um it's been great you know and I just think that we're this is only the beginning and I know it's about 10 years you know you were doing car we what 20 how do you even find out were you an Atkins guy that you stumbled across it or you just your own natural experience so like like you said carbohydrates inflammation your back was acting up same thing with my left knee from playing basketball those years it was always swelled up always wearing a brace brought ice packs with me to drive home from basketball and doctors telling me knee Replacements all that stuff and now I can squat I'm not squatting a lot of weight but I can squat like a catcher I couldn't do that for like 10 years yeah without it being really painful and it's just like you said inflammation's gone I'm like that's all I need to know I don't need anybody else telling me my body's already told me so yeah nice yeah no I just uh I wasn't doing I wasn't doing a diet I just had a professor of cancer biology just told us how toxic plants were and how the car carcinogens they were and he was like he didn't eat plants or vegetables wouldn't let his kids eat vegetables and he just told us and then he was killed right in a car accident or something he disappeared I haven't been able to find him so you never know but um yeah I haven't actually I don't remember his name so that's that's on me really but that was a better story the other way I haven't been able to find him and we never heard from him again and um no but he was just saying he was like look you know plants defend themselves by being toxic they don't want you to eat them like plants are trying to kill you you it's killer be killer right you know plants as well as animals and so you know why would you eat these things and so at that point I just said right screw plants and I just I just stopped eating so I defaulted into that just because I just I wasn't going to eat plants and so I just I was just around I was like well what the hell everything has plants it's like this whole grocery store it's all plants and everything and I was just yeah and I was just like all right I was like I found eggs and meat I'm like all right I'll just eat this I was just I just wouldn't eat a plant and so I would go around I wasn't telling anybody I'm doing this or no one ever asked no one ever questioned me no one was like oh that's weird what are you doing never said anything I just wasn't going to do it and um I just looked around I was just like plant plant plant plant plant yeah me I'll grab that never no one ever said anything and so I did that for like five years felt great felt amazing I mean it felt better better than I've ever felt in my entire life right and um you know and just kept doing it and um and then sort of fell off it because I didn't realized how significant it was and um and things started incorporating back in but still eating clean and um and then yeah six years ago a little more than six years ago now sort of came across stuff that said like oh no actually this is this is how we're supposed to eat this is just biologically our design and so like that makes sense that's how I that's what I was doing I was eating for a biological design we are carnivores I was eating as a carnivore I was living as a carnivore and I never felt better in my entire life and when I stopped feeling as good as that is when I things started creeping back in my diet and so you know I just felt that um you know that that made a lot of sense to me from my own experiences and then the things I came across it was like well you know I've come across different information that really showed that the whole idea about fat being bad was a lie that sugar is actually really toxic and and plants I know I already knew were toxic you know so I just I just got rid of it and then at 38 years old I felt like was 22 again I just felt like superhero and just kept going with it and so uh yeah that was it it was just yeah just wasn't going to eat plants I mean that's why it's called the plantree MD it's just sort of bit of a silly name but I mean that's that's that was the whole idea it was just like I'm not GNA eat plants plants are toxic got me the plant-free cop that's another idea now I'm working on yeah no you you know what was uh interesting I don't know if we didn't talk about I'm not promoting it but my mom on the G her character on the Griselda show I don't know if you saw the little character they had in episode two where it's me going to baseball practice having dialogue with my mom and I'm well talk about divorce and crap like that but this kid that's playing me it's kind of frustrating because he's got that vegetarian vegan jaw of a kid that doesn't eat steak or red meat man he's just kind I'm like oh no I knew it I knew it was going to be some poor kid just doesn't know you know he's a Hollywood actor of course but oh I could tell it was very Hollywood actor though that's a bit and I I was a football player and they do a baseball outfit which I like I play baseball but that wasn't my that's when my mom and I would Bond you know me getting out of the police car with my gear on people going your mom just brings it in practice I'm like I'm lucky my mom shows up sometimes so she's out there being super cop you know but yeah that you know I talked to a professor you talking about reaching out I had done a project on my mom back in 1992 in college about women in law enforcement how difficult and how they're you know their minorities and I reached out to that Professor because now he's a doctor at FSU and I emailed him and said hey you may have me do a project years ago big class thing and now my mom's on this show called Griselda and they got her hero cop going again Sophia varara I go I just want you to check out the show and it's funny how things come around he was like oh this is awesome of course you don't remember you know thousands of kids later but um I remember it and by reaching out to him it just made his day and he's talking about in his lectures and his classes you know like one of his old students did a project and his mom's you know on his show so yeah reach out to those if you have ever track him down I mean it's sometimes they'll make their day man they'll be like oh my God anybody that's in your past that you think about go ahead and call them and don't wait around because that opportunity may not be there one day you know so mean sort of sorry go one no you were saying about dropping something oh you know you mentioned that about your your mom and giselda so so tell us about that I mean hadn't really talked about that but um I'm sure everyone heard that and went like hold on a second what's you talking about so your mom was involved in taking down the this drug kingpin sort of thing yeah she became a cop in SE yeah Queen pin right in 75 she became a cop in Miami U that's where we were from uh she was divorced from my dad who was in the Air Force you know had had me young and typical you know old or young people marrying too young and she became a a police officer down there because she needed benefits you know and she wanted to look out for this guy and you know my grand my Spanish grandmother you like little Cuban grandmother would watch me as my mom went to the academy and never thinking anything I just it was a cool job my mom had you know gun belts and police cars and trying to outsmart her which is impossible you know I mean let alone she's already a woman right and now you take her she's solving wrote down the stories and then Co hit everything kind of got pushed on the back burner and then all of a sudden they go yeah we're going live and Sophia vagara is going to be Griselda and then we got an actress playing your mom or my mom's telling me this an actress playing me and I called her and we talked she's like I talked to Juliana Martinez you know and they're talking about the script and I was like holy cow mom was like a real inside perspective of something like this because usually on the outside and you know Hollywood they hype everything up I mean my mom was part of a whole team you know it's like she scored the touchdowns but you know there's a lot of offens Al lineman and special team players that assisted but for the show it's all about you know good and evil with two women so it's really awesome um you know they've had People magazine Vanity Fair Rolling Stone I think Fox News wants to interview my stepfather you know he's an old Marine you know it's right down there Avenue right so it's just been really crazy you know it's surreal that here they are they're in 70s up in the mountains in Tennessee just chilling and their old stories are now on the screen you know and then it's pretty it's bringing up a lot of old friendships I've gotten tons of emails because I'm kind of being the frontman for her on a lot of this Social Media stuff I started her social media Instagram thing and she's getting like weird like crazy just Oddball things you know people following her whether they're actors or models and you know because they're all tied into the Netflix side of things and she got like a crime scene podcast there's stuff that she'd being invited to so it's good for her hey talk about it Mom it's good get all that because she's got PTSD to there's no way she done 30 years in Miami so all that was homicides I mean dead people on dead people there's no way she didn't suffer from that so being able to talk about it is therapeutic for her she's off of statins you know um is finally wearing her down Mom's a tough cookie to crack with just meat you know so plants is still way in their you know in in their Foundation but you know a salad here okay we can do some salads but make sure you eat that steak or that ribeye or you know get this the step my stepa got to get them sugars out of the house man he likes his breads little cookies I'm just like but you know you gotta pick your battles yeah yeah that's pretty much that story it's awesome I mean they're on that show and it's you know it's they have a little me my only character is on there for a little bit little Eric but I'm like hey I got my m my name on the big screen or at least it's not on the news for something bad like cop indicted or arrested for beating someone to death which I had plenty of friends get in trouble for that stuff so yeah right um it's been a good good story and like I said it's been great reaching out to different people reaching out to us and you know helping and of course keto is about helping all these First Responders so it's bringing some Ripple effects to the whole industry of let's get cops healthy and you know dispatchers and firemen everything like that so yeah nice well speak speaking of the of the keto 5 program that you're doing so what do you do how do you work with with uh cops and um like or do they come to you do you find them do you work with different um stations and and official organizations or how does that work and and what do you guys do to to get people on better terms it's still evolving but it started pretty much with like a group page on Facebook and then you know obviously your other Instagrams and sharing information you know you have your different things for different platforms for different purposes and the way they usually do is they just reach out to me on social media whether it's a message on you know they DM me or they'll send me an email through the keto.com or whatever and then we build a report and I like to go I'm invested usually one or two people at once if I'm traveling and I'm in your town we'll meet up I'll grocery shop I'll raid their you know keto 5 search warrant here we come knocking down the pantry door let's see what's in here ah more bad guys right so I turned into this cop thing and I was in evidence for a while so I'm like ah see you know this is part of the crime part of of metabolic disease this is a suspect you know and I have fun with it but I don't charge them you know people are you have to charge for your time but I get so much value out of them you know you know they'll help me out they might buy some T-shirts buy me Steak lunch or something to me hey that's great you know I'll trade a steak for some good advice any day and it works good with in our world you know I'm not trying to make a dime off them I'm trying to get them to enjoy their pension so they reach out we talk I tell them to watch certain movies you know magic pill fat fat fictions all those where you just kind of get understanding what's going on he it paints a picture that maybe your medical professional is not always as educated in what is your best needs you know for what's going to get you healthy and so you know it's a lot of talk and it's therapeutic I meet a lot of guys that have gone through trauma they call me up hey you know we had another trooper killed on the highway that's the kind of stuff that I end up getting a lot more of and then we talked I I'm like dude you know are you drinking obvious that's depressing you know you do s of kind of try to encourage some other positive habits within them trying to work out or go through what they're trying to figure out you know and that's usually what it is and that's why that cops and campers a treat program getting these guys together getting you know if I could get Dr Kilts to the one in Ithaca he said he'd come down and check to the guys I want to roast a pig at these meetups like meat meetups you know and if I get some glucose testing you know slowly introduce this to them at these events and maybe a couple of guys will listen and they'll they'll look at themselves as pre-diabetics like they should and not diabetic I'm like dude you're pre you might as well call yourself freaking diabetic bro if you got too much sugar fling around your blood I mean this I mean you're going to end up dying from this so let let's get a hold of it now and that's the goal I go I tell them you know you know how to write a search warrant you know how to arrest people do you know what your blood work how to read it I still learn how to read a blood work every time there's still new stuff I'm like how do they test that why do they test that and what for do they know that who what when where why you know I mean that's what I try to get them to do and then if anybody's looking at camping and doing that stuff I have the cops and campers.com they can find me that way too and you know I'm just speaking the gospel of this way of eating man and you know I'm using my resources and my experiences and a lot of good luck I've had along the way to help me achieve that you know meeting guys like you just randomly talking to you you know and hey let's [ __ ] talk about it you know and that's what it's about you know hopefully I always hear back from every podcast I do there's always a few guys that reach out to me that's why I keep going you know and that's one or two guys that spread the you know spread the word and but yeah that's what that's what they that's what they get with me they get all of me they're not just going to get a weekly group call where we you know I'll do that if they want but for the most part it's one-on-one that's what my guys like or my ladies like they just want to hey this is you and I talking about this let's talk real you know and we're not going to sugarcoat it you know this you are fat you are sick and you are going to die and your family's going to find you like that I mean is that is that what you want you know and you have those kind of heart-to- heart with them and they're like man yeah I don't want that [ __ ] let's let's work on it you know so it's good man I'm passionate about it I've done more in these four years of this than I ever did in 20 years as a cop and I did a lot of good things as a cop I was a real good cop man I wasn't just your average Joker ruining people's day you know I was a real good cop I love that job it's a shame it got so difficult for these guys now you know with big brother and Big Brothers necessary on some level but every step of the way these guys good catch every step of the way these guys are just being tormented you know and it's hitting them physically you know like I was saying I can see it all around yeah no kidding well no that's my Spiel no that's great man that's really good and so I mean it's really great work I mean the PTSD side of thing alone is um such a major issue you PTSD our our you know our our Armed Forces and our you know officers around the you know then First Responders and all these this you see a lot of tough stuff you know people don't get that you know I mean it conceptually they think oh that's really hard seeing that you you don't know how hard it is until you've seen it and um you know and it it really affects you and I haven't even seen half the crazy [ __ ] that you have but just you know the first time you walk in and you have to like do an exam on someone to declare uh time of death on someone as a doctor and you're just like wow here's here's a dead body this person was alive a bit ago right and then you have to do an exam and make sure that they're actually dead and and their heart's stopped and all that sort of stuff and and they don't have any cornal reflexes and all that sort of stuff um you know it's it's it's not easy and then you see people you know dying and um you know you're doing chest compressions and you're doing this inuring that they're bleeding out you're doing all this crazy stuff and then they die you know and then you know it's it's difficult and when you see people that are that something went wrong you know like the third most common cause of death in America is medical errors I've seen those medical errors and I've seen people die from those medical errors and that haunts you you know someone dies and you've done and everyone's done everything they could and everything went right and everything went well but it just wasn't going to happen you know there's not there's not you can't do everything you you just can't fight nature all the way uh but when something happen someone dies because of a mistake someone made it shouldn't happen that haunts you and so and that's just much more normal stuff when you come up to like a murder scene or something like that that has got to be just next level and and seeing my friends get hurt and shot and things like that yeah you know my my boys asked me how many dead bodies I saw one time just innocent question they weren't asking anything out of the blue that wasn't you know we always have cop talk it was always funny to them you know whether it's about hookers or cops get in trouble you know I got a I should write a book called law disorder cops getting trouble with hookers like oh yeah I mean all that stuff but I'm like you know I don't know how many bodies I've seen you know because it was so many and just you know we have a large retirement community in Florida a lot of them were elderly and that's half of my fight against Pharma all along was seeing all the drugs that I had to physically write on death notifications or you know I have to email to or fax it to the me's office my hand be cramping up and I could never spell the drugs because there's like x's and y's and Z's and stuff in there and I was like man can't and then I got to type it in the report I'm like this is what's killing people all these stupid drugs you know I used to just as I'm kicking the chair out in the lineup room trying to do some freaking dead guy that died probably from all the prescriptions I I was telling people that and then we start you know I got into narcotics and then some of the units I was part of were arresting doctors for the whole pill Mill and you know the opiate crisis just making mad money just prescribing that stuff you know then I saw the you know I got an introduction to the dark side you know and I saw it you know and it's unfortunately across the board with a lot of our Industries you know but yeah anyways it's uh it's been a great little run yeah definely well how do you how do you find um the goes with the PTSD like do do you find that that the I mean it sounds like it helped you a lot do you find that that the diet keto cornivore sort of diets help others with PTSD is that a regular thing or is it sort of an inconsistent benefit that they might get with their PTSD it goes hand inand with I think metabolically getting healthy you know they start losing the weight feeling better and then you do that brain fog that you kind of run around in most of the time is starting to leave and you get a little more focused you know and maybe a prior you know it's all developing better habits or changing you know or critiquing your old habits a little bit maybe you had some good ones you just can't you know I I stopped working out at lunchtime you know that's one of the things I did as a cop I started working out before my shift I just went in an hour and they're like well you get to work out on duty you know it just doesn't work out I don't work out the same I'm already into I'm thinking about a report I still got to do I go I just got to knock it out and then I'll take that hour and I'll knock out my reports at lunchtime rather than think about it you know you just make some adjustments man and you know it but with the PTSD you know it's some my therapist and I finally won my case against workers comp got to see him um he goes Eric you're going to have to learn how to dance with us you know you're not going to sleep as well at night you're not going to want to go out in public you're going to be super overprotective all the things I was going through he nailed it and he's already done you know met with other people that were part of like 911 tragedies and stuff like that so he's he already knows he's seen he saw me coming in he already knew so and he was right I had to learn how to dance with it doesn't go away I mean in my flag incident in New York when they tried to kick me out of a campground for my th bu line flag I lost it quick and because I happen to record the guy in my interaction and tell to take an American flag now even though they got Canadian flags up not nothing against Canadians but I'm trying to flag a fly a flag that's you know part of my history and my family nothing against what political people were saying in and I went in the country too I was in Russia going I'm Gonna Fly my American flag so yeah they I lost it man and you know what I don't like being in that red that red area it it was a very Primal place to be and the only time I ever get there was like from the shooting instrument that's when you get real like Savage and I don't like feeling like that man cuz it's another person it's so another level and it takes me a while to calm down like a couple days you know because it's just like something is like you know there and I just have to avoid that stuff you know road rage doesn't I don't get into the road rage stuff everyone's got a gun I just assume everyone's got a gun I'm not getting into it you know whatever you know and you just I battle with my sons they they drive me bonkers you know but hey I'm with my kids you know you try to really be gracious and have a lot of gratitude and just be like all right I know I'm GNA flip fly off the handle on certain things I just gotta work through it and it's that constant battle man it's probably like almost like someone with a heavy addiction of alcohol or drugs and there it's always there you know and I never had that before the shooting you know I never had this type of I mean I had the rage if you pushed me enough Sports eventually got into that mindset but this was just off it wasn't me you know and obviously now I know why you know it was just a lot of other issues going on and it wasn't a healthy life for me that's why I got out at 50 you know retired on my 50th birthday and it was it was freaking pretty sweet and of course keto 50 or 50 started like a couple months later it was like wow this 50 number is something yeah you go well that's cool man and it's it's um well it's great that you're doing that work I'm really glad that you're helping people that you know can use your help not everybody realizes that this can help and or whatever even think about it like how could diet really help my my mental state like I you know there's something that happened to me obviously this is traumatic and then you fix your diet you fix your metabolism and it it helps fix your head your gut your gut health right there's a direct link between your brain and your gut man and I saw it happening right before my eyes it was this and then you know to be that heavy and be here even as 54 to be 178 pounds body fat 12% are you kidding me this is insane you know I should have been rocking this at 18 years old you know 20 like you I should have been freaking at the beach glowing you know I don't need suntan lotion I got that carnivore lotion yeah yeah and that's another thing we don't have sunblock get out of here we don't have no sunblock get you know it's crazy everything's an industry you can't see right oh glasses boom oh I didn't know I needed glasses you probably didn't I there's a lot of good things that that medicine can do but you know it but why give a Band-Aid for something that that you just give symptomatic control for something that you can actually cure you know if you're just harming yourself with various substances and exposures why take a pill for that why not just get away from the exposure you know it's like that's what's great about you guys you guys coming forward you know because you guys got into it to help people like most you're trying to you know help people and all of a sudden you're figuring it out that's what's great you guys are actually smart enough to and you're calling it out you're not just like oh let's go with the herd you know well you got when you make it public when you make it known when you make it aired out that's when they they lose power and so if everyone keeps it quiet oh don't want to piss them off that's the problem if you just say this to people you know and they hear about it okay well we need to shut that guy up catch out of the bag you can kill me but I've got 600 videos that are not online that are not going to shut up you know so right you know that's gone now and so um you know it's important to do that you have to say that and you have to encourage other people to say that so like you you know I'm glad you're out there you're saying things you're influencing other people people they're going to start a channel that might be the next big Channel you know and there's um there's you know there's channels popping up all over the place that that are just just normal Instagram channels or YouTube channels and all a sudden got like you know a million subscribers and followers like it's amazing that's fantastic you know like I'm not I'm not this isn't a game for me I'm not trying to go for the high score on subscri oh I want to get give a [ __ ] you know the only thing that I care about is getting the message out there so if I'm if I have more people subscribe to my channel that means that means I'm getting out to more people that's the only thing I care about you know like this is this is not my job I don't want this to be my job you know like I enjoy my work I enjoy seeing patients I love doing surgery uh that's what I want to do you know I want to do this because it's important but you know this isn't my job you know and um and so as long as people can do this and just everyone just does this and gets this message out there and and keeps educating people and saying hold on a second no we're being screwed we're being lied to don't listen to it listen to your own your own Li your own eyes you can see something believe that before you believe some some [ __ ] with a study to wave as you oh but I have a study couldn't care less right I have real life and that's what I care about more than your stupid ass study because a study all a study can do is tell you hey this might help guide your choices and guide your actions well I've already made my choice and my actions have benefited me more than anything else that I've ever come across so thank you I don't need your study I I have I have eyes and I can pay attention yeah you funded the study all that stuff man it's crazy you start looking at how studies are done and what gets through and what doesn't you're like oh my this is what they're basing everything off or or or they talk about like oh we don't we don't care about these plant toxins let's look at the human trials let's look at the human studies those aren't human studies that's epidemiological [ __ ] oh but the nurses study Oh you mean the thing that they send him a a freaking questionnaire once a year and said what did you eat in the last 365 days you mean that rigorous piece of science get out of here like that is the dumbest [ __ ] I've ever heard in my entire life so you and I could probably tell them what's on a list a lot faster like what are we eat in the last year I could pretty much tell you meat exactly shitload of meat like that's it it's Megs every now and then yeah I mean it's that's a study yeah look at us you know I mean you got you got a old guy with a with a ticker that went through some trauma and he's still alive and kicking ass without freaking stance or freaking statins or anything or plants I look at plants now that's I I respect plants you know I put a meme out there a little baby little baby carrot being PRI off of a mama carrot you know is some funny little like oh we got to stop the violence you know and I do man the trees are breathing I talk to them I'm like hey you know we're sorry we knock you down the build houses all the time well but you know they're living organisms they like to stay living organisms and if you don't respect them it's G to cost you like it's it's fine I mean you don't do I mean it's like you know just you messing with the wrong person you know it's just like hey you might want to I do what I want oh you don't know what you're talking about that's ridiculous and you and you know you f around you find out and that's what happens you know and so that's God God mother of life it's like you don't respect them you don't give them their space you don't recognize in the countless reams of textbooks on botany and horiculture and biology about how toxic these things are and you just you just say like oh yeah it doesn't matter but look at the human data where we asked to nurse once a year what she at you know and then that's real science no no that's real dumb real science is botney real science is cataloging these toxins and saying at this level this is a toxic dose and we have those for a lot of these things like Cyanide and who has say like this is how much cyanide is safe to have in a day really zero is the amount of cyanide that's Sav to day but you know they say that okay well past this no bueno and yet they have cassava chips well veggie chips here made with cassava or tapioca flour tapioca pudding we give this stuff to kids there's cyanide in it almonds there's cyanide in it and and all you know marzipan there Cyanide and that right so we're we're giving this to kids we're giving this to people there is a known or at least an agreed upon by The Who and we know how corrupt those people are however that there is at least a line there does anyone know the line anyone write in the comments if you know the line no one knows the line but it exists have you ever seen it on a bag of almonds have you ever seen it on a bag of tapioca flour or cassava chips no you haven't because why there is a line does it say like oh hey only half a bag before you reach your daily limit for Cyanide today or only two bags a day maximum or you'll hit your cyanide limit for today uh no they don't do that and yet that line exists and it would be something like that only this many grams of almonds are safe to consume in a day due to cyanide content second you put that on a bag no one's buying almonds no one's buying cassava chips and so of course they don't do that but we do have that oh but the human data the human data says that you eat cyanide you get sick that's what the human data shows that's like that's just a fact and uh you know obviously the more you get the more the more problems you get but low grade exposure longterm has been shown in humans to cause neurological damage and dysfunction thyroid dysfunction and organ dysfunction causes direct mondal damage this is terrible for you and especially in people that have that are not meeting their daily requirement daily minimum requirements for protein intake which is most of the world and certainly most of the developing World which is where cassava is is primarily eaten uh in the tropics you know this is this is the third most important calorie Source in the tropics and I think it's something like three4 of a billion people uh have cassava as their main uh caloric Source right and most of those people are not hitting their protein minimums so this is this they are absolutely risk of getting neurological toxicity thyroid dysfunction organ damage and things like that and it doesn't say anything on there you know that's what the human data shows so oh look at the human data that's epidemiological [ __ ] that's a flyer and a questionnaire that someone handed out that is not science that is not data the most study really the only diet that's been studied in a rigorous fashion is the ketogenic diet and it's been the most heavily studied diet ever and is the most rigorous ously studied diet the plant-based diets there it's only epidemiology and very poorly poorly controlled uh poorly designed studies it's garbage because they know it's garbage and they're trying to fudge the numbers and fake things around to push an ideology instead of actually finding out what's what's right for humans to eat and that's why they're not doing these things against the ketogenic diet or they're designing things to um so that the ketogenic diet looks worse than it is or or they designed some way well the ketogenic diet does X Y and Z and it's like oh we had a low carb well first of all low carb is not no carb and then they say like actually you look at the amount of carbohydrates and they're eating like the exact same amount of carbohydrates as everyone else it's like okay so that's useless but actual ketogenic diets actual zero carb diets have been shown in thousands of studies to be extremely beneficial to health outcomes more than any other diet tested against it beat the DASH diet beat all sorts of diets in in in head-to-head contests um well when they're welld designed and just medical issue after medical issue after medical issue that gets tested with in a rigorous fashion with ketogenic diets you know these things are being shown to be extremely beneficial and so you know it's um you know it's just nonsense you know like we have we have actual real scientific data and literature the hard Sciences of biology and botany and people oh that's it is a hard science look it up like that's that's what a hard science is those are the original hard sciences and so you know there there are toxins that exist in Plants by the hundreds of thousands right that's a fact that's a hard fact from a hard science right most of those toxins will kill you most of those toxins will kill most animals on earth right and so you know you you know you ignore that at your at your own Peril but like if you're smart you will respect plants can you eat some of them sure can you survive on them sure is it the best thing you can eat absolutely not will you be as healthy as you can be if you eat them absolutely not you know I was you was talking to Dr Rob cus and and he was saying well you know and he does carnivore and he's he's a big proponent of that ketogenic diets and stuff like that but he was saying he like well it's a bit of a luxury you know we have access to meat but we didn't always have access to meat and so we had to eat plants and things like that but we didn't always have access to to plants even during the ice ages you know we we didn't we we really didn't have that we were just in the frozen tundra and fossil record was clear that when the ice shs were coming down early humans were going up into it they weren't running away so they were up in the ice and they were hunting big mammals big animals and they were eating them and U there wasn't any any plants to eat at all and and um he was saying like well if you get lost in in on an island you're you're you're not going to be carnivore for long and um I didn't get the chance to sort of respond but um but I would pointed out that like actually I think I'd either be carnivore or I'd die because like I have no idea which plants there are to eat you know that's that's not that's that's a losing losing argu losing sort of situation for me if I've got to like live off the plant life not going to happen you know unless I just find a Blackberry patch or some honey or some crap like that no idea no idea what the safe plants are to eat that's a dangerous path to go sampling plants too I wonder if this works bad idea recipe for a disaster so I either get a kill you know and choke out a badger or something like that it's over you know and um and that's what we see in in um that show alone which is a pretty cool show that's I was just gonna say alone yep none of them are eating plants you know none of them are eating plants and that's the thing you go out there and you you you're a vegan out there and you you're trying to survive on Plants good luck you know good luck to you like it's they try they shrivel away unfortunately I mean yeah I'm the same way I'm like man I look at those shows I'm like man where's the I'm gonna have to kill something man I I know already rabbits isn't going to do it long term and you know a bunch of freaking kelp isn't gonna do it for me either yeah no you need fat you know you need meat yeah that's how you survive those things especially like in in like the Tundras and things like that when they're up in like Alaska so in the middle of nowhere it's freaking freezing you're on some you know podiak island or something like that like no this a bad this was a bad choice it's crazy man buty I gotta give you I gotta send you one of my coins you mentioned Dr cyas I gave him one in uh one of the keto events I saw him speak at so um I'll send that one to you and yeah man um um this has been really awesome um yeah definitely one of the things I was going to say is about the plants you were mentioning is it's almost like it's the Godmother and she's connected right they're all connected if you start being a little bit too abusive to them they'll get the revenge on you somehow you know they let you abuse or use them within you know within reason you know it seems like you got to have that respect for them because without them it's no oxygen right it's just like we're out we're out of here symbiosis and and they're promoting this eating haven't we already been eating pretty much a plant-based diet for the last freaking 60 years anyways kind of they've been pushing us that way look what's happened and they're still pushing it let's do some chemical stuff hey we got some cow DNA in this stuff what yeah well we're not sick enough yet I mean that's the problem you know we're not sick enough and docile enough and you know and we're not we're not spending quite enough trillions of dollars on the Medical Treatments to to just stay alive from being poisoned by the by the crap that they're feeding us so you know I guess we got these hospitals look like hotel resorts now I've been seeing them driving around the country in our rig there's two things I see is Amazon facilities and hospitals freaking crazy yeah well you know uh it's big business uh go to go to you know um a country with uh socialized medicine though they don't look like Resorts they look like Soviet blocks you know where it's just like prisons they do some them don't come out some of them are like re some of them are new new nice buildings but some of them are not and some of them are like revamped um like industrial Office Buildings and things like that you know and you're just like oh like the one that I worked at um you know here in Perth uh one of them just just looked like just like just a just a Soviet Enclave you know this block of you know just you know bricks and and concrete and things like that it's not a pretty building um some of the newer ones are you know they have some some uh you know I think is a bit useless you know just having you know spending millions of dollars on glitter on the outside of a building I think that's a bit useless but you know it is better than just being like a a Soviet block you know and true but uh but yeah but a lot of these things you know in the public system no uh you know it's big business uh for some and um you know but in in the public system they are trying to spend as little as possible and um yeah it's actually pretty [ __ ] you know they they they screw you over if you work in that hospital system they'll they'll try and screw you over as much as possible I've been really taken advantage of um I basically won't get paid for most of the work I did last year in surgery because of technical error that uh the government just says nope you're not GNA get paid now that's okay well that's great so I just I just worked as a slave for the last six months lovely thank you for that that that makes me very happy it makes me that makes me want to stay in your lovely country and uh and keep working and uh and helping out the society like yeah so um yeah they don't look like Resorts here it's quite the opposite actually but um yeah it's big business in the States you know there's a place in in Harvard um on that did like obesity medicine and basically you know it's like this big 30 some million dollar building and um I forget where I was reading this but they were saying like the one some of the doctors that were there were like they were like look you know we I you know if I could I I I hate seeing child obesity and if I could just if I could just reverse this and cure it tomorrow I would but realistically you know we've got $34 million mortgage on this building and the only reason we're able to secure that is because we were able to say like hey this is the growth in obesity projected over the next 15 years and so we're going to keep growing and growing and get more and more fat kids in here that need help and so this is going to pay for itself you know because people are just getting fatter and sicker so you know it's um that's a that's a pretty sick system you know yeah and um and yes you need you know you need to grow to the demand and that's that's a good thing to be able to do that but why is the demand there why are we just treating the symptom why aren't we why aren't we getting to the root cause of things it's not fat we've been we've been cutting down on fat and red meat for decades now it's only made things worse well we just need to do more of it okay well we're doing less now than we were but only 9% of people follow the guidelines who gives his [ __ ] everybody's been going towards the guidelines you know and 9% of people are type two diabetic in America and 9% of people follow the guidelines maybe maybe that's why you know maybe if everyone followed the guidelines they'd all be diabetic you know and uh but the thing is we we listen to the guidelines and we've been eating less meat we've been eating more plants and polyunsaturated fats and carbs and heart healthy grains and fruits and vegetables all this crap and people are getting worse because they they're they're they're not following the exact amounts that you say that oh it doesn't count then no it does count because people have been going towards that and the trend is towards the guidelines they've been influenced by the guidelines and just that influence has made people dramatically worse and anybody who was honest or intelligent could see that you know I mean it's just it's just ridiculous that people are denying that people are getting so much more sick you know since these the we we've started eating less meat and more of this plant-based crap just crazy yeah we saw it with Alzheimer and dementia centers all over South Florida it was every corner was a new mental you know facility and we were having to find these people on shift like yeah Mr Johnson escaped again they like oh no is he gonna end up somewhere you know and meanwhile these are all smart like older people that should have knowledge to spread that down to us right and they're just being poisoned what they call diabetes 3 you know the brain and it's just and it's there's a whole bunch of knowledge I realized hanging around like some of the older people that maybe aren't on medications the way they talk to you the the way they even conduct themselves and take care of themselves is a whole different issue than depending on you know obviously pills and that side of it and they have knowledge and wisdom it's like sitting around old campfire one of the old you know Chiefs or something's telling you about how it was and there's some truth in that and you learn from that and we're missing out with a lot of these generations of these elderly people getting Alzheimer's and their 50s and 60s and now it's just like I don't know it's like it seems like it's organized on some level you know keeping us sick I don't know if it's a Rockefeller scam you know 100 years later this is what you get you know it's it's hard to say I mean it could just be you know just greed and ignorance you know but I I you know c means is a is a uh been a whistleblower for big food and big um drugs you know big Pharma and he's saying these people know that they're making us sick they know that they're making us sick they're profiting off our illness they're making us sick with the food they're making us metabolically unwell and then they and they know they are and then they're they're also selling us the medications to to try to temper that that illness and that metabolic disease and he said I know that they know this because I've been in the boardroom meetings with them when they said it so yeah I I think that it is unfortunately on purpose um whether that's for control or just purely for greed I don't know but uh I don't think for a second that they don't know what they're doing I mean the sugar companies have known the sugar companies made up the the cholesterol uh theory of of heart disease no it wasn't like somebody who independently like oh my goodness I think it's heart disease that was that was born by the sugar companies then they found people that they could pay off to push this [ __ ] idea and say that it was their idea total [ __ ] you know this was this originated with um you know the the big sugar Industries and you know possibly even you know big tobacco and all that all other ones but anyway at least sugar and so they've known they've known this that cholesterol wasn't the problem they've known that it was probably their product from the 50s 40s and 50s they've known this you know because it goes back there's documentation that goes back that point detailing how they were paying people off to try to blame cholesterol instead cholesterol and fat instead and so you know it's um so if they were doing that then you know all the people in charge then would have known going forward because they were doing this for decades and people coming in there's new CEOs and this and the other but they just inherit the same mess and you just know what you're in oh this is what we're doing and all that sort of good stuff so there's a lot of people that that know this thankfully some people are coming forward like Cali um hopefully more do but um at least he had some Integrity it is it is a bit disappointing that he's the only person with Integrity in that whole system over the past 70 years um right yeah you know but it's uh it's crazy I mean the idea that cholesterol caused heart disease is stupid in the first place there were no heart attacks recorded in the 1800s not right and so and yet there were still people with familiar hypocholesterolemia if anyone understands population genetics you know Peter AA um who I have a lot of respect for you know says that well if you understand you know maap and statistics and you then you know that that LDL causes heart disease well there's literally no studies cause of studies zero so if you actually understand uh math and statistics you'll understand that no uh there's no evidence that it causes that there's only implication and Association and actually there's a lot of studies that show inverse associations but also he says well look at the familial hypercholesterolemia Case Closed okay but if you understand population genetics then you understand that the exact same amount of people as a percentage of the population at the Miller hypercholesteremia in the century of the 1800s when there wasn't a single heart attack recorded in the books on autopsy death from from heart attack and yet there was all these people that had familial hypercholesterolemia so what Happ well they didn't live long enough no the The increased mortality of familial hypercholesterolemia happens in the first four decades people were definitely living to their 40s all right and so the increased prevalence would have been there so no one had a heart attack then no one was recorded to have a heart attack first uh recorded death from heart attack in America was in in the published literatures in 1912 and before that there's only one obs Ure reference to to a um a conference where someone reported that like oh yeah it looks like we may have found some weird thrombus in the coronary vessels we never seen this before isn't that crazy right so people were looking they were doing thousand thousands and thousands of autopsies each doctor would do thousands and thousands and thousands of autopsies and thousands and thousands and thousands of dissections they were just doing that non-stop right that was a major part of being a doctor was just doing dissections and autopsies and trying to figure out new things about the body and um and that was a very regular thing and um and yet you know what clearly someone caught one of these things right so I'm not saying it never existed at all but it was in such small numbers that it just it didn't show up no one even knew what the hell it was like oh look at this isn't this weird they didn't say oh this guy died a heart attack they said huh there's a weird thrus in this guy's coronary vessel isn't that weird and people were like whatever never saw it again for 30 years what happened in that time what happened to all the people with famili hyp cholesterolemia did no one have cholesterol at that time do we just have a kill switch in our body we make cholesterol it's the dumbest idea that I've ever heard in my entire life right that we make that this the the thing that will kill us we're just designed to break down and die that's a really shitty design you know yeah nature doesn't work like that right and if you want to say God or nature neither works like that that's really shoddy craftsmanship that's really shoddy design nature hones things down to the finest Edge possible and uh you're just not going to see that you don't see that in any other species on Earth so right why would we have that that's just that's not a survival design that we're just we just get sick and die well that doesn't work those people are going to die out and those genes are going to go away you know and if we don't if we don't learn how to adapt and survive that's what that's what biology is it's about adaptation you know and you're going to adapt to to a harsh situation or you're going to die and your species isn't going to make it and some other species that is more fit to fit to task is going to make it but we made it right and we actually have early early humans that actually went more plant-based they died they didn't make it through the ice ages we did our ancestors did and that's who we're descended from the ones who were able to make it as a carnivore and first of all meat doesn't cause disease in any other animal even herbivores herbivores commonly will opportunistically eat animals when they can when and where they can right chimpanzees rip other chimpanzees apart and eat them oh I know or other monkeys rip them apart and eat them alive right horses i' I have a video on my my Instagram of a horse just sniffing around a little baby chicken and just gobbles it up you know it's just like just does it or or a just chewing on a rabbit like a rabbit and like the another looking at like like what the hell are you doing but that's bad for you there's nothing in meat that's bad for you it's just nonsense and well the saturated fat that just conclusively been shown to be untrue all the best evidence shows all the high top shelf not epidemiology top tier randomized control trials men analyses of randomized control trials as published in the journal American Medical Association in 2020 showed no association between saturated fat intake and heart disease or cardiovascular disease and in fact an inverse relationship between saturated fat and strokes so the more saturated fat the less Strokes less saturated fat the more Strokes you're gonna have so this is just absolute nonsense and um sorry for going on a rant but like it's no they need people need to hear it yeah I love the history stuff I forget too you know looking back at like the guy that what was was it he was the first one to start washing his hands and then took us what 70 yeah took us 70 years semov visce there SEMO viice and uh some so so that was the thing so that's that's that's a good illustration of this so seice this was in the 1800s and he started realizing that um that there was some sort of infectious disease sort of something that were just getting exposed because the thing was is that you know what doctors would do is they would go in they just be doing dissections all the time be doing autopsies and dissections they didn't necessarily fix them with formaly these would just be corpses and they might be sitting there for weeks just rotting and then they go directly to the the labor Ward and they deliver babies and and they and they didn't have gloves and they didn't wash their hands because they didn't know they needed to right and so they were going there and so like the in the infection rate was massive in uh in this labor Ward where he was at and just his women and kids were just dying and dying and dying because they were just getting massive infections right and he figured out it's like hey these people are coming straight from dissections in delivering his babies there's something they're bringing on their hands this is this is transmitting somehow so he figured it out and he started getting people were like oh that's [ __ ] you're crazy and so he was just like no he's demanding people clean their hands demanding they did he'd stand there and he' like yeah you have to do this blah blah blah and so he you know is credited for that but like the way he went about it was like didn't go over well so like they they weren't really trying to listen to him and then you know lisst came in and and um uh you know showed that people were getting poisoned from different Wells and things like that and all that sort of stuff but uh and then it sort of sorted got into the micro uh the microb microbial age sort of thing but yeah but that was the thing they were just dissections dissections dissections dissections dissections and then they go and treat patients then go back to their dissection and just hands would be filthy you know and that's goes to show you they just people just doing autopsies all the time they were just doing dissections all the time those people were better and and knew better about more about Anatomy than anybody uh since then I mean they were they were extremely brilliant um uh you know at at uh anatomy and dissections and things like that now they didn't have the same surgical techniques that we do today we didn't even have anesthesia back then so we couldn't actually do this on real people but they they knew uh the hell out of the human body and then and that's why they were able to when we did get anesthetic and sterile T sterile um technique that's when they were able to figure out say hey because we know the anatomy so well let's figure out how we can do this surgery to fix this thing and that's that's how that happened but anyway sorry go on no that was no that's what I'm talking about there's so many lessons when you look back and you start reading through the history books you know and that's what I just encourage people to do you know you got to read up on stuff and some make sense to you listen to your body man I mean we have this Instinct in us that you know tells you or lean pushes you away like maybe I should look into this you know and go with it man you know yeah but well cool all right um i' I've kept you very long I'm really sorry about that Eric uh no I thought you're the one with the bedtime I'm I'm up and early well I know I'm I'm I'm I'm the one with yeah I wasn't supposed to take this long but so Sor hopefully L's not too pissed but you know it's all right blame it on me say I was I was crying on the air you know you had to console me you know so I just won't let her watch the the premiere then and just uh she like oh you don't want to watch it's too sad it's too sad it yeah yeah yeah uh awesome man well hey man so how do people find you and and follow you and and reach out if they need your help it's pretty much keto for everything keto.com is the website and then you have cops and campers.com that's the nonprofit so it's like my two-headed monster they overlap they go different directions but in the end it's all about being healthy and living life to the fullest right so yeah thank you seriously for having me on and letting me talk your ear off and educating me I'm always learning new stuff every time I do these and I follow new people and it's great you know I'm growing so well no you're very welcome welcome man it was great to have you thank you for sharing your story and thank you for doing your work and helping people uh with PTSD and and just just help deal with uh really hard situations and try to Spread spread the good word and get people happy and healthy it's just what you have to do man no one's gonna do it for us we just have to do it for each other all right man so thank you for that thank you cool nice there's a cat awesome all right all right man thanks that man and uh thank you everybody and uh thank you for joining on hopefully you guys like that if you know anybody that you think uh could be helped by this please do send this on to 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