Visceral Fat is Blocking Your Optimal Health, with Dr Sean O'Mara!

welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone it's uh Dr Anthony chaffy again here with another episode of plant-free MD and today I have a very special guest Dr sha omara who is a practicing physician and uh for quite some time I think about 20 years now and has uh come across some very interesting biomarkers uh for health that are indicated and implicated in many disease States and so we're brought him on here today to talk about that Dr Amar thank you so much for coming on yeah well thank you Dr jfy for inviting me and uh and for your audience to um to be able to have the benefit of uh hearing about these interesting biomarkers that you know I like to talk about because U I think they really show uh the benefits particularly with um eating carnivores so um I think it's really to to the carnivore community's best value to understand and uh uh grasp these these biomarkers so hopefully your audience will agree those that watching this this podcast and the images come through and hopefully we can Edge again so maybe just start here I'll talk talk a tiny bit about myself I'm uh forly trained as an emergency medicine physician so uh I trained in and and going I entered medical school with the intention of being an ER physician and I left Medical School uh with that intention my my interest never really changed I really liked excitement prior to medical school I I worked in law enforcement I was a police officer an undercover drug agent did a lot of really interesting exciting things and I you know it was just drawn to being uh in emergency medicine so uh when I pursued decided to pursue a career medicine that's where I headed and I was all about taking care of emergencies and nothing prevented I just like to react to things and I did not have a mindset how to prevent things and so like many of our colleagues uh as I practice medicine and I uh was in a stressful environment I started gaining weight and becoming out of shape and I was frustrated and I paid attention what we were taught at medical school so I cut out all fat I was eating a lot of carbohydrates I was walking around drinking a gallon of skin milk with Hershey syrup in it and that's that was my idea of being healthy and I ate a lot of cereal and orange juice and things like that and uh I was going nowhere and then I met a a patient who you know challenged me to eat a low carbohydrate diet and talked to me about paleo and I didn't know anything about it and I did it I decided to go ahead and this was about 2009 time period I cut out carbohydrates I went you know paleo at that time and uh I I you know I was a doctor and I didn't read anything books or anything I just cut out cut out carbohydrates and uh and I started to um you know eat some fermented foods and um all my medical problems went away I had high blood pressure I had ecol over my body H barit esophagus which is a precancerous condition where your esophagus is so damage from heartburn that you get these metaplastic changes inside the epithelial line your your your esophagus so I I was getting constantly scoped every three months for biopsies you know waiting for cancer it was a very stressful you know time period in my life I had erectile dysfunction I had an large prostate that would wake me up four or five times a night to pee I had Restless Flex syndrome kicked my legs all night long and I had obstructed sleep B me where I was snoring all night long and gasping for air waking my wife up I had a terrible memory I kept forgetting things i' go to tell my wife something that I told her two two hours previously and uh she said you told me that earlier and it kept happening and and I said no I didn't and I I thought my wife was losing it until I walked in the room a little bit later and I found her um very upset and and uh and I realized that uh really was something wrong with me and not and not her so um uh all those problems went away H when I just adopted a a dietary intervention of eliminating carbohydrates and um I decided that I had to become a researcher so I left emergency medicine to start researching I joined a research practice up in Minneapolis that was looking at this first biomarker that we'll talk about thisal fact and uh during that time period I found out about keto so I cut my carb car carbohydrates down even more I went to very low carbohydrate diet and then subsequently I learned about carnivore and I went to a zero carbohydrate diet and every time I did that Anthony I got better I got I had even less disease I was functioning better I was performing better and I was looking better and this particular biomarker that i' had been introduced to earlier uh was continuously um being eliminated as I cut out more and more carbohydrates and so I was just fascinated I started paying attention to other things and we end up doing a study for applying for a grant from the National Science Foundation we received funding for the purpose of trying to eliminate chronic disease and so with this funding that we got we were able to study 6,000 people 6,000 Americans and we measured their visceral fat and we eliminated it through dietary interventions eliminating carbohydrates and uh we tracked the impact uh on this particular intervention for chronic disease and every person's chronic disease whatever they had either went completely away or got better when they eliminated the cyal fat and it was mindboggling like it's just like i' never seen anything like that before in all the medicine it was like this magical Panacea and since that time I've only become more you know convinced about the the benefit of this visceral fat so what what it is about visceral fat and I want to spend a lot of time talk about the chemistry is just is so inflammatory it's it's not like your average fat that's most mostly around people skin subcutaneous fat and here hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys and here's an example of you know a scan and we scan through the abdomen to find out where visal fat is and this is the image it produces so on an MRI fat shows up as white so visceral fat is the white stuff in the middle and we paint it red here in this graphic to help individuals quickly identify where it is in the ab the center of your in the body Center of your abdomen and most people have this layer idea about fat around their body because it's the fat that you can pinch and you can see it you can touch it with visceral fat you cannot see and you cannot touch because it's deep inside of you and so subcutaneous fat is not metabolically active so it's not secreting these inflammatory substances that viscal fat is secreting 24 hours a day that plays havoc on our bodies and just far-reaching comp uh complications and and uh consequences throughout our entire body or physiology so viscal fat really behaves considerably different so let me share with you an example of a good amount of visceral fat and a bad amount okay so a a bad adonal MRI scan or for visceral fat is one where there's a lot of weight in the middle okay that's a lot of visceral fat in this scan just a little bit of visceral fat is is seen and what's dark in these these two images are are the muscles so muscles show up dark these are the rect spining muscles vertebral body which you are very familiar with and then down Reus your sixpack and the obliques on this side this is a friend of mine he's got big muscles so lots of dark stuff in there big muscles he's good shape very little visceral fat and this poor guy is the same age has a lot of visceral fat and very small muscles so what do we find when we study these people and I continue to find the more viseral fat you have the more inclination there is in the body to have small muscles so this viseral fat is associated with and potentially causal to sarcopenia so atrophy of the muscles so we consistently sign see a lot of visal fat and uh gradual decline atrophy of these muscle but not only atrophy but decreasing performance and I'll show you some really cool images how visceral fat affects those muscle for performance so even with the presence of muscles they don't work as well because visceral fats contribution and decreas in that performance so this is good this is bad you get a nice oval shape and those of you are listening you an oval shape abdomen see a uh you know swimmers Speedos bikinis they have oval shaped adents and as you age you see individuals 30s 40s and 50s increas increasingly develop a Hoge this anterior displac of abdomen from the accumulation of vable fat that is unbeknownst to that so it's accumulating inside and it also does something very Wicked it's not just pushing out it's decreasing the abdominal anterior walls capacity for holding in your guts so literally visceral fat is causing people to have this dadbod and the dadbod is is nothing more than a signal to the world I have weak muscles and I can't hold my guts in anymore so it's a real a real problem so what can you do about Vis well one thing is a series of scans MRI scans we did and this guy comes in with a large amount of visceral fat here and then over a period of 35 weeks dramatically reduces the amount of visceral fat from just doing one thing and what he did was he just eliminated processed foods mostly processed carbohydrates from his his diet so didn't eat any processed carbohydrates processed foods and as a result he lost all this viseral fat but most importantly he didn't exercise one minute so what these series of scans show is the dramatic impact that diet plays particularly consumpt eliminating processed foods how much you change from the inside of your body when you cut out processed foods and for the most part men and women and children are simply unaware aware of the consequences that processed foods play when you continue to eat them and this series when it's eliminated really profoundly demonstrates the um the important role these processed foods are playing in destroying our health and causing causing lots of disease the other thing point out is this red streak and hopefully it shows up in the image this red streak in the muscle and it gets smaller and small it goes on eventually it's completely gone is the contribution that visceral fat has in association with fat being deposited within the muscle so we I call that um human marveling so here's an example of somebody who's in a lot of trouble they have a lot of visceral fat that's red stuff and very little yellow around so they're they walked around thinking that they were really healthy because they they you couldn't pinch any fat on them and they look pretty good but inside within their d cavity was this large amount of increasing visceral fat so this was a marathoner that car dat a lot so he would eat a lot of carbohydrates for his races and he was just putting in increasing amount of this real fast so we call these people toies they're thin outside and fat inside so there's an increase um degree of risk associated with being thin outside and fat uh inside so it's hard to understand but if you have more subq fat which isn't metabolically active on the outside it has sort of a protective benefit to the um increased visceral fat that you have in the inside now I do not think a lot of subcutanous fat is a good idea so don't mistake what I'm saying here as advocacy for having a lot of fat on your body I think we we want to be as efficient as possible but you between the two types of that you want you definitely want um to not have visal fat and you'd be better off having more subu fat so this guy was just the opposite and I like to bring that up in in lectures on visual fat help people understand that if you get a scan and you don't have fat on the outside but you got on the inside that's really a problem for you so here's another image of a guy that's filled with FAL fat in this particular image and I'm not sure if it's turn so I'm G to turn the camera just a little bit to make sure I'm getting that but um this scan here shows um elevated Vis fat that he have here in this white and then how it's disappeared here in this particular image and what we did is we get this guy from in just two months to stop running he was a distance Runner and we got him to Sprint and so we were looking at the the difference between endurance running and maximum intensity exercise like sprinting and what we found is distance running doesn't seem to cause visal fat and it really doesn't seem to make it go away it seems to help in some way keep it there so we have figured out that patients are better off not doing distance running and doing sprinting and that they would consistently burn more of this visceral F than um if they continue to jog so we we would get patients clients and study subjects to do sprinting instead of distance running they get better results so this is just few months and the only intervention he did was stop running and he started to Sprint so I like to tell people that because we consistently would see a faster elimination of viseral fat if they made the dietary changes to cut out the carbohydrates and also adopted um a a pattern of exercise they do maximum tensity exercise which I think is more in line with how we lived ancestrally we ate a lot of meat we didn't eat a lot of carbohydrates and I think we would have been doing a lot of sprinting to get away from predators mostly other humans and to also catch prey that we needed to be able to catch you know and so sprinting is a really valuable form of exercise that has a a really nice optimiz and effect consistently when we do these MRIs so couple other examples of good and and good and bad so this guy is bad he's got a lot of visceral fat and when we scanned his legs you know corresponding legs we see these fat streaks these white lines kind of look a road map and that is the human marbling that I mentioned uh in the adonal scan with the the fat deposition The Bleak muscles we see it in the and the less and this something I picked up on we were be scanning NFL players and we noticed that um they didn't they didn't have these fat streaks and our older patients did and they had less visceral fat and the older patients had more visceral fat so we saw this profound correlation to the amount of visceral fat you have also correlates to the amount of these fatty infiltrates in the legs so the technical term for is myosis or it's also called adverse muscle composition so the composition of the muscle becomes advert with this infiltration of this fat which is inflammatory similar to visal fat and then we scan people that had very little visal fat so look at this this gu this Anthony is the single best adonal scan I've ever seen in 25 years practi in medicine this guy is all muscle I mean look at these oblique muscles here there rect a spining this muscle right here is the so it's his core it's extending well past his vertial bodies and L literally wall to- wall they're kissing is a j a six-pack there's like no space his GI track is this little you know nub it right here it's like you you Marvel how does the guy digest food I mean where's his gust he was just so efficient with all this month and so the visal fat was that little triangular region right there that looks like the state of Idaho this is retrop paranal so it's not technically visceral fat and so not contributory to the INF that we see in visceral fat very bio biochemically different but visceral fat does cause a lot of release of inflammatory molecules il1 il6 uh adipokines and chemokines these inflammatory molecules that get released and go around the body it's just this ongoing furnace so this is a great scan this is a bad scan and when this great scan look at his legs beautiful thick you know muscles without those white fatty streaks so again we see knife correlation we saw this with thousands of scans but these are just two very different ones and they both were read normal so if you're listening today you can have these scans and the radiologist will read both of these as normal even though they are profoundly different because Radiologists are not trained to read visceral fat and reported and neither are we in medical school and other professions taught about visceral fat to pick up on it but wouldn't you like to know if you had this amount of visceral fat that you did and that it was affecting your musculature you know early on to prevent that continued um deposition of inflammatory fat in your adamen and elsewhere in your body um if you were provided that as a report so I'm hoping to promote awareness these biomarkers within our profession and driving home the point with patients so that people start demanding the Health Care System report this so that they can be aware of it and eliminate it so bad example and a good example well let's take a look at how the good person looked okay this was the guy with the best Donald scan look at his nice six-pack and those huge muscles now we didn't see those huge muscles in his MRI stand these are chest muscles um and we were looking as as his more of his muscles within his admin but this guy had this huge response and he did didn't lift weights he didn't do or pull-ups this is an Olympic sprinter um Emanuel matat and you can follow him on Instagram at matat I always give him a little plug because he's he's a great client he's really fantastic guy to study and uh so he developed that musculature just from sprinting you know it's fantastic so if you have very little visceral fat when you do something your body responds much better so this is a good time I I talk about the impedance of your body's response to stimulus comes from visceral fat so but for the presence of visceral fat in you when you you you are encountering a stimulus such as lifting weights to help you build muscle or sprinting or some kind of exercise your body would generally have a very healthy response except for that visceral fat in there which attenuates your body's physi physiological response to the stimulus so you can think of this real fast is not only causing the disease but on a governor from you getting better so if you eliminate that visceral fat and then you get exposed to the stimulus same stimulus you'll start having a much better response now the guy with a bad Aden with all the visceral fat he's got a dad bot and in five months you know working on the strategies to get rid of visceral fat it completely changed his physique he's now 5 53 in these photographs and uh hand getting his wife pregnant we got so healthy this fact imagine having a child a baby at the age 63 but that's what happened that's how much how how much he turned his health around so human marbling talk about myosis an average mulp compartment your audience should be familiar with seeing that in Stakes okay you see this fatty you know marbling inside of steaks from cows fed grains and carbohydrates and molasses and corn and uh antibiotics which contribute to uh weight gain and you can see how much bigger this stake is um because of those uh interventions stun to cows and if you give a cow a species specific diet which I think everybody would agree cows he eat craft and not not greens and carbohydrates unless you want to get them diseased to make more money then you get this much more leaner deposition of meat so I am a carnivore physician that promotes 100% grass bed if I'm going to eat an animal I want it you know I want to eat healthy meat for me and I want that animal to be eating you know a healthy diet not carbs and Grains and also it's interesting the healthier the grass it eats you know 100% grass f is not the same for every cow they're there are healthier grasses so it's that was something I just learned only this year and so it makes a difference in the the the health that the animal how healthy the grass will whatever it eats so all the way down to that level now another interesting marker we picked up when we were following this visceral fat was paracardial fat or what is called heart fat so fat can accumulate and does accumulate around the heart and that's something that we're we don't talk about pay attention to enough in medical school in fact I even was talking to cardiothoracic surgeon who admitted he never paid he was cut through the stuff he never PID attention to the amount of paric cardio fat that was around there he was just exposing to get to the to the coronary arteries to do a bypass I was like my God I just it just blew my mind uh but that's how we get into our routines and Medicine we just if it's not taught this the medical school we don't pay attention to it but look at the amount of fat there Anthony around that heart and uh so that thick layer of fat again shows up on an MRI is white that thick area around that heart in 13 weeks was substantially reduced Again by eating a low carbohydrate very low carbohydrate diet and doing maximum intensity exercise actually this guy who was the same guy started know maximation it was the guy that just got cut out the processed cars that's all I did never exercised one minute same guy sorry so 13 weeks from cutting out those processed foods dramatically reduced that amount of fat around the heart so this is my favorite scan so um hopefully your audience will understand that these are arteries in the brain so now we're looking at the the the vascular system that provides blood profusion to your brain so if your brain is important to you pay attention to this this slide it's very interesting so in this guy um he's we're following this the qued arteries come up and this is Middle cerebral artery on the left and middle cerebral artery on the right there's a diminishment of blood flow from this segment here the M2 segment there and that's because there's a formation of a plaque that's developed there and so diminish blood flow the haziness is no long you can see it gets a little more hazy it's lighter there it's not so dark it is here and uh but look at this space right here with the big white circle that I drew my very sophisticated technology um and the the plaque is um so big there that you can't see blood present in there so it does fill dist the distal segment is is filling but not very strong and so we scanned him and he was a CEO of a company uh he was the guy that we convinced to stop running he was the runner doing 50 miles a week and we said stop running and start sprinting so he did that at some point and we open up this artery so you got better blood flow here but look at that plaque now that's reversed and the time period for that was just an astounding only n months wow so in nine months for natural interventions uh we were able to open up this Legion which we can't get to to do sending it's you know you you know better than others how challenge that can get into that particular area and so just through natural interventions we can reverse that and so what we would would see when these lesions were being open up as better blood flow not just through the arteries in the brain but all over the body so people started to report and the first person to start to report was actually me I paid attention I got these onset of visible pulses throughout my body so I didn't I used to have to feel my pulses now I can just look at them and count you know I don't have to touch my P all over my body they've opened up so really very interesting and I thought well I could just be an N1 nope other people start doing these things too they got visible pulses now I routinely see this and my clients i a online community with my clients they're every so often another one will say I got the visible pules today my pules became visible they they're starting to come out so it's a cool thing but for guys listening um very very interesting um the Improvement of blood flow means if you have a rectile dysfunction you get much better stronger healthy erections but there's some very interesting on onset that not only is erection become much stronger but it too developes a visible pulse that you used to have when you were 16 17 years old before you had aortic cardiovascular disease uh a healthy pulsatile erection and so now my clients in their 50s and 60s are getting these visible pulses and they're getting their erectile function restored and they get this balance to their erection you know from that from that pulsation so really really beneficial to get rid of that visceral fat open up that blood flow get visible pulses all over and the the dietary intervention we're using the most is elimination um of a processed carbohydrates and the adoption of a zero carbohydrate diet by going carnivore so it's not just blood flow all over and absence of visal fat but you also see the uh absence of reversal of a chronic disease you see the Improvement of people's appearance so this was my face when I was walking around with a lot of visceral fat at age 48 and I thought I was pretty healthy and then look at my face today so it's it's almost like like people don't even believe it was me but this is the the Sinister effect of visceral fat over decades in feeding and just destroying your house so I like to say to young women this is what makes you ugly when you get old if you're worried about being ugly old and ugly visceral fat causes that you can be old and beautiful and then you can be old and handsome and look vigorous and vital if you get rid of your visceral fat and allow your body to be restored so I Define my definition of palop is not through numbers on cholesterol or laboratory reports it's how you look and how you perform so across the board in those 6,000 people and I continue to see it today as I work with private clients as you eliminate that visceral fat the appearance of people improves and so does their performance so you know they they become more intelligent their memory improves and that's what drove us to those brain scans actually Anthony is patients who were losing fact kept asking why when I lose visceral fatom I'm more intelligent I make less mistakes and my memories improving and so that's when we started scanning the brains try to figure out what's going on and we saw that these lesions in the brain atic cardiovascular lesions were being reversed so that uh the appearance and performance are key aspects for for health so this is a dad Bond and I want you know I touched on that in the beginning and so everybody recognized that but like as more subtle form of a dad bod and a friend of mine uh who's 35 here and he's got a little protuberance so he's got a little small dadbot early on and so uh if you have this kind of abdomen you'll see this excursion anteriorly so moving from the back towards the front your belly starts pushing out as you start getting your 30s you don't have it so much in your teenage years in your 20s of course we do see now teenage and indeed Pediatric patients in their even before they hit their teenage years with big bellies sticking out but by and large it's it's a phenomena that happens as you age from the influence of of this fat and I'll show you what is really happening so here's a great example I have to jump on the hand grenade here and and and use myself as an example I took this picture which is a horrific picture if your audience looks at that this is not a flattering look of uh of my image and I I'll think I'll move this a little bit closer just to get a maybe a better better representation so you can see it a little bit uh a little more clearer hopefully so um what's happening is I got a bulge of my adomen there and uh I do not have any visceral fat in there there's no visceral fat I took a scan of myself right before him no visal fat so it's not visal fat pushing it out it's all the Decades of visceral fat the inflammation destroying those muscles the ab dominous rectus the fascia that holds my guts in and now I can't get the job done my gut can't hold my guts in anymore and that's a disease look from the influence of visceral fat biochemically not mechanically pushing it out so the longer you have this fat as an influence in your body the more destruction on the performance of tissues so one early example is the dadbot even small even before you get a big one and if you look at the muscle tone here I got lunch lady arms now as I um have no visceral fat and I'm doing sprinting and I'm eating meat and I uh use AA and I go out in sunshine and I do Cal Plunge now my body is much better in responding to those things now I got DED arms my gut Works my abdomen I got an abdomen like a like an 18-year-old um I grow all this hair in my abdomen that I'd lost the hairs on my legs increase about 300% according to a hair surgeon who who observed it and my vasculature that I didn't have before is now optimized so all these things and even the shape of my head Chang that's the profundity behind this Bal fat elimination you see this F shaped curve like this um graphic over here you seeing typically like 60 70 year old men and women they get this f-shaped curve and what's happening I don't need to preach to a neurosurgeon but what's happening is the visual fact is dissipating the tonicity and the ability of your muscles to hold you up around direct and straight so young men and women stand up nice and straight old men and women get these curvature of their spine and by the time you know sometimes when they're 70 years old you know they they can't even you know they're walking around looking like this and you and you think well why don't you just stand up straight their muscles are so weak they can't hold their spine their skeletal system up anymore so one of the defining features as visceral fat is eliminated is increased performance of muscles and tissues all over so people just look better and they perform better so this is a nice nice example of that so here's a really cool picture this picture I've got 100,000 photographs these two photographs consume me more than any photo I thought more about these photographs than anything else so let me try to make this point to you because if you can get this it would be super cool in your audience you see the difference between this face here and this face right here I'll just ask you Anthony how long do you think it takes between these two photographs for this face to improve this much what would be the time period you would think um well do doing everything the right way maybe a few months okay well let's hope he did the right way he's one of my clients so he improves his space from here to here and the time difference there is a staggering three days three days I know and so now you're Wonder like I'm sitting there studying this like what yeah how could he change his face that much in three days so the inside of got here is if this this guy had had come to see me six months before that photograph if he did what he did and by the way what he did was he' never done it before his first time he did a three-day fast H so a three-day fast produced this kind of a change but if he did this six months ago he would not have that change and if you take a 75y old and you do the same thing they're not going to have that change in fact you could take a 25y old or a 30y old maybe and do a three-day fast and they won't have that kind of change so why did this guy get that change because he had eliminated all his visceral fat he eliminated his visceral fat so when he went into a a fasting mode and extended fasting for three days so much autophagy happened and it the body responded so favorably that he had that kind of a change but here's the thing same thing with weightlifting if you are a 50y old man or a 50y old woman or 60- year old man and you do the exact same workout as an 18-year-old same reps same amount of weight same amount of sets your body will not respond and put on the musculature we unfortunately may have lost really reduce yourself to a younger State and you'll have that response back sorry sorry sorry Dr Mora sorry you just paused there for a second it just sort of the the feed uh uh stopped on us um you were just talking about uh the the physiological response like if you if a 6-year-old did the same workout as an 18-year-old you wouldn't get the same response as the 18-year-old and then it paused at that point okay so let me pick it up again so the 18yearold and the 16y old go to the gym every day and they do the same workout same amount of Weights same plates on the bar they do the same reps and the same sets the 18-year-old puts on more muscle mass over the same period of time than the six-year-old and B basically the explanation for everybody listening today as well because six-year-old is is older that's not the right answer he is older but it's not because of his age the right answer for you to do something about is the 18-year-old has less visceral fat and has less damage from that visceral fat so when it comes to weightlifting it's stimulus lifting the weights the organism the effect the stimulus has on the organism how healthy that person is dictates how much muscle or response are going to have to that hermetic stimulus lifting weights and then the response is the muscle growth so really key to lifting weights and living properly is the organism the stimulus is pretty much the same in everybody what you really want to focus in is the state of the organism when that stimulus happen happens so the younger person is just has not had all of the disease from that visal fat that the older person has so if I'm correct that should mean you can take an old dude and have him work out and put on muscle like an eight-year-old what would that look like right here this is what happened to me this is me age 55 I don't have viscal fat and so now when I'm lifting weights look at the huge muscle growth I get now you might think well maybe list some weights like crazy I only lift weights on average about 20 minutes every two to three days I barely work out and but and I'm getting this kind of muscle growth okay liver canane steroids testosterone replacement human growth hormone I promise you on my reputation for the rest of my life nothing but nature meat fits sprinting Persona cold plun all natural stuff if you're taking exogenous substances here's my opinion I know some of people may not like it you are taking a shortcut on life because you just don't want to work out as much I am not going to deprive myself and I don't want my clients deprive themselves of getting a better response by using some exogenous substance now I know some people need to have testosterone replacement because maybe they have testicular cancer they don't have the capacity to make those testosterone but you should not be using supplements to try to get results that you should be getting just because you don't know about the influence of visceral fat get that out so that your body responds so I went from a you know pretty scrawny 55y oldy I wasn't too scrawny to you know much more you know mustard development in these 5ye period of time from age 55 to 59 and I I turn I turned 60 in two days so you know I I uh I I really I think you know how to bring an example an illustration of how you get rid of that visceral fat and then your body starts responding so yeah I think in the future we're going to see um 65 year old guys getting jacked and and getting getting strong and 70y old guys and I go the say that in the future your best professional athletes are be guys in their 60s why because we're gonna I know it's a lle right you're gonna get rid of that visceral fat and they're gonna have Decades of playing this game yeah and they're gonna they're just going to destroy the young guys the only reason why we don't see it now is they're all Rife with visceral fat so they don't they get injured faster and they just don't get the same responses but if you eliminate that viseral fat so that the stimulus is there to the body for it to improve you're going to see old men and women professional athletes into their 60s playing the sport and probably even in their 70s and playing it awesome and I think in the past that's how our ancestors were they were just Killers High performers because they didn't have visual fat because they were living ancestrally a lot better so that um that's here's just a real fast picture fat um 3 months going carnivore um having fermit elimination that dadbod and such a short period of time and then the MRI scans um large amount of visal fat and in three months greatly diminish heart fat and in three months greatly diminished so MRIs allow us to see these interesting biomarkers and the strategy again I'm happy to report um start with eliminating carbohydrates processed foods eating a a meat centered diet and then I also promote the optimization of the microbiome by eating fermented foods but no vegetables unless they've been fermented to eliminate the pla plant toxins that I think are real and uh you know are are really warn humans to consider eliminating from their diet may not be for everybody but I'll tell you as a health and performance optimizing position who's motivated try to increase the the level of health and the performance of my clients that's what I do I get them to eliminate viseral fat by eating a a carnivore diet with fermented foods so anyway those are those are my markers um I want to be able to share with you and hopefully get you excited about thisal fact and the contributions it can have in your own patients and and your followers on your podcast and uh I I hope that people you know learn about it and go back to their doctors and and uh start asking about it and getting this you can you can pull up your your old CTS if you have a an old CT and I'll just show it real quick so that people have an idea um of a of a of a CT scan it's a little different the colors viscal fat shows up but instead of white it's black so if you've ever had a Donald CT you can ask to see your Donald CT um don't look at the report I mean you might you can look at the report for laugh they won't put visceral fat in there it's the largest organ inside the body inside your to cavity is visceral fat and they don't even comment on it so it's black here and you can see it and in your patients uh if you're a physici today you can pull it up and if they don't have much visceral fat and they haven't had much visceral fat for a long time they're not going to have a lot of pathology they'll be your health healthiest patients and the opposite if they've had lot of visceral fat for a long period of time they'll be train rks they'll have all the codes for all the diagnoses that they they suffered a long period of time from that out of control visal fat so um there's a quick primer on how to read in a Donald CT for your your followers um and now honest to God if you're listening today you know more about visceral fat than any physician probably in your country it's it's it's just not taught in medical school and and uh you know something's going on in Australia star I've got two or three Physicians now interested in in visceral fat and uh so I'm excited to share as an American physician these biomarkers with you guys in Australia awesome well thank you so much for that that was absolutely amazing um I uh I was just thinking you know about some of the things in your presentation uh like you know that picture of of yourself before and after I I legitimately did not think that that was the same person I thought you were showing two pictures of like you and like you know one of your research Partners or something like that and you're going to go in and talk about that and then you were talking about I was like oh actually okay I see that but it was H that was a dramatic difference yeah and the truth is Anthony happens to everybody does it so it's not just me uh all my clients change so much fact I tell them look when they come here they're big and Flame faces and I say to do you want to be a model I'm going to make you and we get rid of that this fat their faces improve and and if they're older and they improve their faces they get hired by m agency why because old people are looking inflamed and unhealthy and we get rid of that visible fat you look so much better they can all do I get them part-time modeling jobs in modeling yeah so it's everybody will improve their face and their body um as they get rid of visceral fat yeah well I mean I certainly noticed the same myself you know my face was was much more puffy uh as well as the rest of me being puffy but you know even when I was uh more muscular uh but you know before I went back to you know eating eating carnivore I still had that that puffiness to my my face unless I was like in in the middle of season and I was just in like crazy good shape um you know it was it was very different and then uh but yeah and then D you just sort of like your face ages backwards I think you know like my my parents as well they 10 years younger uh you know a few months into to carnivore than they did or you know certainly a year or so into to carnivore than they did uh prior to that and and their health markers and their health outcomes were much much different as well much improved yeah well I'll just quickly show this is me age 30 and then I started to put on visceral fat so you can see the gradual inflammation in my face and then after here is where I learned about visceral fat and so my face is starting to and really what happens like the puffiness what you call it's the shape of the face if you look at a 16 18y old female they're just very the shape of their face is very pretty they're very you know mean looking and same thing you know younger guys so there's that expression get yourself in shape get your body in shape or get your face in shape get rid of that Vis fact go carnivore and your shape of your face improves so now my starts to to dramatically improve over that period of time so you know on on LinkedIn people put their profiles they they use their old photographs you think I'm using my old photograph who's going to come to me to be healthy I'm going use my my latest photographs you know you just get better and better as you get rid that visual fact yeah well I mean seriously like that that looks you know the the the previous one before you started this I mean that that guy looks 20 years older than you do now like act legitimately and like wouldn't think that those were the same people it's it's a very dramatic difference yeah yeah yeah and that's waiting for you and it's just uh yeah go throughout your whole life you sleep better you're faster you know I get 60-year-old guys out there sprinting 60-year-old women I had a 84 year old client that would come over to my house and Sprint um was fantastic you know in his 80s and he just kept getting better uh so yeah this just keeps uh continuing to to improve U people's lives their quality of lives improve as you get rid of that visal F and it's happening if you go Carnival you're losing visceral fat but the benefit is if you do a scan um you you get to focus in on that and then you can find out you can do some other things like maximum intensity exercise yeah um doing sauna cold shower uh and then Sunshine you know with the onset and Advent of visible pulses I walk outside in the sun now and I see dramatic Improvement in front of my eyes to my the magnitude of my PSE so I get that feedback visually that the sun on my body is good because the blood flow is improving now I think back of all those dermatologists and those professors in med school that tell you sun is dangerous and tan is damaged skin and and stuff like that and uh they would have me put on sunscreen and then I don't get my beautiful nitric oxide immediately being released because uh you know you're you're covering up and putting sunscreen get yourself healthy so your body which is perfectly adapted to Sunshine we are genetically designed from 4 million years of existence walking this planet to be exposed to meat and to Sunshine and so you know I I think in in a short period of time they're going to have you know the S Talent say God convinced we can't eat meat we can't go on the sunshine and for God's sake stay away from water that'll be the next thing that'll tell us to stay away and we're we're supposed to drink this fake drink you know no longer water so uh Sunshine is good natural things that we're we're adapted to I think are good and the healthier your body is the better you you you respond to these things so don't go avoiding them fix what's wrong in your body uh start eating a healthy diet and you'll have a much better response and a much better quality of life yeah I mean that's the thing we're not we're not trogloditas you know we didn't we didn't evolve under ground and you know buring around in in in uh tunnels like a mole you we're terrestrial beings we're out out there supposed to be out there uh you know on the surface of the Earth and you know sleep in caves or something like that but not spend our whole lives in there you know and so like how can we not how can we not be um you know used to being in the sun or or at least not damaged by it severely and if you are getting damaged by it something else is going wrong in a grander scheme with your with your health I think yeah well one of the things I notic my clients as they eliminate fat um they do much better they get you know uh no sunburn they they tolerate this the sun much better and uh you know kind of interesting I used to have a birth mark that I always had above my right areola and uh somehow getting rid of this real fat that Dagon thing disappeared I'm in a birth Park yeah yeah it's so strange so um yeah you you your capacity for restoring your skin uh my hair got thick I mean I don't have a bold spot in my hair and I'm you know just days away from turning 60 and you know if you if you go to a community center if you go to church and you see old people I sit in the back of my church and I see men and women with thinning hair and then I go and I as going down the aisles in church I see belly sticking out yeah and it's like this fat thins the hair worsens the skin um it it just has this systemwide physiological effect and so um I think God if if those older men and women had heard about the carnivore diet earlier you know could we have spared them from um thinning hair and there is an interesting study I haven't seen one about visceral fat but a heart fat so the fat around the heart there's an association between that amount of fat and male atronic um um uh alopecia so um that fat around the heart contributes to male pattern baldness and thinning the hair so you know if if you are somebody that is noticing some hair thinning I would encourage you to absolutely consider going carnivore and and then look at this marker the visual fat fat in your abdomen and fat around your your heart and work to to eliminate those and uh yeah my my legs and and uh 300% growth and hair my legs um and uh and hair my my my head and if you think about your UH 60 70 80 year old guys as they get older they just lose the hair all over their body and uh you know decrease blood flow to the cutaneous structures the follicules die off and and we see it coming back um as people you know adopt Carnival work get rid of that viscal fat blood flow Cruise it these visible pulses and uh yeah hair starts coming back and they they look so much better so much better perform so much better yeah you know I I you know did sort of make me laugh you know thinking about you know 60-year-old man like suiting up on for an NFL game you know in the Super Bowl or something like that but you know to your point you know like you know thinking that that that you know people in their 50s and 60s you know why wouldn't they be uh able to do that I mean we're we're genetically designed to live 120 years according to the length of arir so that's middle age and you're right you have you have Decades of experience and it reminded me of Alexander the Great and his his fighting force that took over most of the known world and then a lot of the unknown world and a lot of unexplored world uh in India and so on he his troops were between the ages of 20 and 60 so he had 60-year-old men with you know you know 13 foot Spears out on the battlefield just tearing through uh different armies and they they had a kill ratio of about 50 to1 you know they would kill 50 people for every one that they lost and he had one of his generals I forget his name he was actually in his late 70s he was like 76 or 78 and he was he was ahead of his Cavalry and so he was at the front of the Cavalry leading the charge at in his late 70s and so this is this is not that far-fetched actually you know this is someone who had 60 years of experience behind you know under his belt and knew exactly what to do and exactly how to survive and and to and to make sure other people didn't survive so I actually you know I it sort of caught me as like oh that that would be funny but you know what we fully capable of it it's happened before there's no reason it can't happen again yeah yeah well I think in between the time period of alexity the great and and modern times you have a a lifestyle uh where it's it's dramatically uh propagating visceral fat and chronic disease and so this average 78-year-old guy actually in America um has lived past this Prime he's dead I think now life expectancy is now in the 77 uh keeps going down because chronic disease is increasing for the first time in the history of humanity it's just it's h chronic life expectancy is decreasing because chronic disease is is increasing faster in our ability to treat it so life life expectancy keeps declining so yeah uh 77 78 year old guys today are horrific shape they can barely walk they they you know they they can get up out of chairish much less uh jump on a horse and you know carry heavy equipment and and Lead You Know lead all lead men into battle lead other people into battle so yeah I think um our ancestors I I tell my clients you if we could you know Anthony teleport ourselves back 50,000 years um to you know when when we were much healthier people would look at you and me and run for the Hills they be like man these people are really screwed up these guys got some bad juju they're very diseased because compared to our ancestors back then uh they were much healthier you know they would have had you know much better performing muscles a higher a much lower incidence of disease in their body U then and and we walk around tolerating disease because it's the norm you know it's it's just what's modeled to US obesity diabetes um irritable bowel inflammatory bowel you know it's just you know it's part for the course and it shouldn't be you know if you're listening today um listen we we have the capacity to live to be 120 and you should and so I would submit to you with the correct knowledge about your lifestyle uh and you know we didn't look at visceral fat for four million years to or I SC for sure so what did our ancestors look at if they didn't have viseral fat to look at well there were other things on the skin and on your body one I talked about just the Contour of the adamen so when you were 20 years old uh that 60y old 60 70 year old chief of your clan if he or she detected the smallest anterior displacement they were on your butt about what it is you're eating too many figs too many dates you're hanging out the campfire too long and you're not out hunting you're not out sprinting uh you're not eating enough healthy meat or something you know you got to change your lifestyle so they would not have had this air of permissibility that anything goes they would have been you know nipping that in the butt so the shape and the performance of the muscles and then tonasia so we didn't uh I didn't do an example of it but tasas are um just um spider pains and a really good example you can use just eyelids you know the eyelid often times because thin skin reveals these spider veins or telas and through adopting you know meat-based diet and sprinting my high intensity exercise resolution of those disease vessels that a lot of women have on their legs and are running to Vein Clinics to get injected or you know get stripped Che yourself with me get rid of those plants open up you know your your vascul or improve your cardiovascular and that Venus stasis that you see manifest in these spider veins reverse and nail beds nail beds are dusty and purple uh and gross looking anchy micosis thickening of the nails the Chinese Physicians have an expression that we die from our feet first so you know I see real disease nails and fingernails and toenails as people adopt the carnivore diet and these other strategies that I share with my clients optimize their health their nail beds turn nice and pink and if you look at a kid that's like one two three years old they have these really red fingernails Nails real red toenails and real red beautiful lips and the profusion the ultimate profusion of that that tissue it almost looks like they have lipstick on these young kids and that's why the number one selling color for lipstick and nail polish for toenails and fingernails is R to have this biological attraction so you know women are run around with red lipstick and red toenails and fingernails or go Carnival you know in Sprint use the Sonic do these things go out and get sun and improve the appearance of your toenails and uh and so that's that's in my opinion the answer to how our ancestors who did not have an MRI machine they saw the the consequences of visceral fat is the presence of disease that was manifesting but today I talk about it because the visceral fat is dramatic and something you can go out get a scan and and quickly follow and you'll see all these other things to improve in your body nice yeah and um you know just think about back about myself you know I was I was 38 when I came back to a cornivore diet you know something I had done for five years in my early 20s just by happen stance I learned how toxic plants were and all the carcinogenic nature of them and so I was like well I'm not eating those and didn't want to anyway but it was a good excuse to get away from them completely and you know that was a period of my life that I I had never felt better i' never been in better shape and you think well it's your early 20s but when I 25 and I just started slipping off of that it was dramatic difference and I remember thinking like why don't I feel how I normally why don't I feel as super human amazing as I normally do and I didn't figure it out until I was 38 like that was it that's when I stopped eating a strict no plant diet and just started like a little bit of things started slipping in and then it you know can progressed on from there but at 38 when I went back to a carnivore diet and uh and just cut out plants and it was really only two we I still had I still had visceral fat even um at that point uh I'm sure well actually well I wasn't EA too many carbs but anyway I was overweight but after you know a couple weeks of this I felt so much better you know physically in myself that I went back out and started playing high level rugby again with my team in Seattle that had just gone professional and I was able to keep up with everyone and after two weeks just two weeks of training they I'd just come back from Bangladesh and had been doing humanitarian work there and so I no training while I was there I probably hadn't played a full season of rugby in in a solid three years my La my last season had been um you know yeah 30 at 35 and so really had taken like a three-year break and I went back and within two weeks of training they had been training for months we did a a fitness test called the modified bleep test which is awful it's an awful test but it's um but it's it's a lot of sprinting and you know you sprint to a line and you have basically time limit to to get to each line and you have like couple seconds rest and you and you do it again and you just and it starts off slow and it gets faster and faster and faster and faster until you just you can't make it anymore and you tap out or you just don't make the line and so I ended up getting sort of in the top five on this team of professional rugby players that had been training for months and I had I had just been uh just changed my diet and that had made that huge effect and um and I I felt great you know at 38 I just got better and better I got in great shape again I felt I felt better at 38 than I did at 27 playing professional rugby and training for M many many hours a day you know and now I was able to train again I was able to lift weights for hours a day I was able to train for hours a day and Sprint for hours a day and I was you know it and I felt great and I had 20 years of experience you know and so I knew I I knew what I was doing and I started playing highle rugby again unfortunately I had issues with my knee and wasn't able to finish the season but uh but I felt amazing and it was it was just it sucked because you know I felt so great and I was like this stupid knee just keeps swelling up and I had to get I had to get it scoped unfortunately had like loose cartilage but it uh but physically I felt absolutely amazing and uh and and it's just you know just speaks to what you're you're talking about that this you know our natural state of health is one of health and and we're holding ourselves back by what we're eating and how we're living our lives and it doesn't have to be that way it's very easy changes well it may not be easy but it's simple very simple these these sorts of changes um and and anyone can can affect them in our in their lives well I think that's part of your U uh your ability to be effect an effective influencer in this realm is that you have lived through those experiences you know Dr chaffy where you have you you've experienced twice you know the carnivore um effect and those those carbohydrates in between and so you know you have this you know this corroboration of how much it improved you when you when you went carnivore and you cleaned up your diet so and that that was is really my case too and so it compels me you know I I my heart Pines to want to share this with other people and let them become aware because uh otherwise it's not going to be shared you know the system doesn't get this out there and they would have you believe that the only options available to you for for you to improve is to you know have some sort of Orthopedic surgical procedure or knee replacement or medications um you know something you know in the conventional Health space and that's not to say that it those don't have a have a role and have some potential uh need but we need to be talking about lifestyle uh and and getting people earlier exposed to that to to prevent those kind of problems from happening in the first place so you know I'd like to see you know practice of medicine that's that's made up of neurosurgeons and orthopedic surgeons and ER doctors that function in an emergency kind of situation but the rest of us we're all working to prevent disease getting people healthy through you know promotion of a of of Lifestyle factors appropriate diet to be eating and and how to be living your life life and uh we we can slay this giant called chronic disease that you know on a um you know really at the end here but I will I will say the chronic disease is the biggest problem facing Humanity yeah because nothing else do we waste more money on and nothing else reduces uh human productivity more decreasing our capacity be you know a strong uh race and and strong country like Australia and and the United States Commerce is reduced because of you know the ability of employees to work is is workload productivi declined uh and and limited by chronic disease and nothing else um destroys more lives more quality of life how people live than chronic disease and nothing else kills more people than chronic disease so if you want to work on the biggest problem and you want to solve that it's chronic dis disease and I think it starts with preventing those things and eliminating chronic disease having awareness of biomarkers what to what to follow and what to measure I don't believe cholesterol is what humans should be measuring or Physicians or providers in this space it really should be things that are the earliest expression disease well before cholesterol and ones that you have the best return on Judge a tree by its fruit so you know look at an intervention see how much of improvement hats and I think we can all agree if you're you're listening today what kind of a Improvement happens when people start eating a meat centered diet and eliminate plants uh with all those toxic effects from their diet and the benefit that they get it's just profound so we're you know it's going to be undeniable you're going to have these photographs people are just going to be changing and uh you'll notice the vegan Community they'll stick with young people young people that adopt that because the older vegans have done it for a long time sadly we all know they their appearance is not good and their performance is not good so the longer you know you get exposed to those plain toxins more problematic and so yeah we're gonna um we'll be able to distinguish and help people effectively you know know the better lifestyle to live because you know appearance and performance is just going to be uh very visibly apparent and real um as carnivore catches on and it's more you have more people doing it for a longer period of time yeah absolutely and um you know and to the point about chronic disease yeah you're right you know it is that's the number one killer in the world you know heart disease but not not just heart disease diabetes complications thereof and all these other sorts of chronic issues you add them all together that is by far the leading killer in the world and so to our our uh colleagues on the other side of the argument saying well no you know the plants that we eat they're only hormetic they're only good for you uh they can't be poisonous um because they don't kill you I ate spinach salad yesterday and I didn't die like right but slow poison is still poison and if you're if these things are driving chronic disease and chronic disease is the number one killer in the world then that that's a clear demonstration of their of their toxic effects I think yeah no I completely agree um and uh you know I I do think eventually we're going to um be able to disuade them but part you know if they pay attention to science but you know we all know that politics um unfortunately and philosophy play a huge role and they just may may decide philosophically um you know and then be blinded to the fact of how many animals are killed to uh to feed them their plants uh which which they seem to be you know less interested in and paying attention to and track U but yeah it's a it's a complicated uh discussion but for those of us like myself and you we in the space is our carnivore Physicians you know we'll we'll stick to the science we'll stick to um the medical improvement of people as they adopt a healthier lifestyle and leave eating a a ve a vegetable based diet and uh I think you know people if you're listening today and you're on the fence bet whether you want to go carnivore you know give give the the world's ultimate Elimination Diet I like to pitch it that way uh a try you know just give try going carnivore for two three four months and watch what happens to eliminate everything but me and watch how much you improve over that period of time and um I I've been carnivore now five years and uh on about five four or five occasions I try to reintroduce plants you know just to see what would happen one at a time and every time something went wrong I just started getting back pain or joint pain or you know knee pain or planner fitis often times would return and uh and once I abandoned those plants and return uh to the U you know just a meat-based diet um those symptoms completely went away but I uh yeah I'm just I I just can't uh tell you how pleased I am with being carnivore and the benefits that I see you know in my clients as a health and performance optimizing position when I get somebody to start on a on the Bo diet yeah and I've I've certainly noticed all those benefits in myself and and my patients as well and anybody who who cares to listen uh which is becoming more and more recently which has been really good um just wanted to touch on something quickly um you sent me posted and sent me an article from Trinity College on the role that visceral fat has to play in cancer um could you talk about that that how how that can actually be a driver of of cancer as well or at least something something that isn't going to help you if you were to have cancer yeah so very interesting um in in the uh uh in that particular article that was uh covered there was u a um study that they talked about looking at visceral fat and the role it has with cancer so interestingly the the best line of defense that humans have and you probably remember from medical school that we're all con ly filled with cancer we got cancer going cancerous cells that are taking place in in our body at any time and what keeps that cancer from spreading or growing are te cells in particular NK which are natural killer te- cells and U these natural killer tea cells uh when they when they form um they they go out and they attack cancer and destroy it now they attack other things so they're part of our immunity well visceral fat causes is a molecule called fratin to grab those te- cells and take it back and sequester it inside a visceral fat where they're destroyed so what we do see in cancer is a lack of these tea cells and they're doing their job and the cancer is just growing so in that particular article the researcher the principles in that say this is very th because now we have a potential pharmacologic Target that we can go after and uh go you stop this fratin from transporting it back into visceral fat or uh you really could just get rid of visceral fat talk about that and not have to wait 10 to 20 years for some s of drug that will just have some side effects down the road so I tell my clients get rid of visceral fat so you don't have to worry about your te- cells you know being denigrated and destroyed and sequestered inside of visceral fat so visceral fat has a has a has a strong influence in in in cancer and its causation early stages and then you see people with cancer you know they they get these scans you P you know GI Cancers and pan pancreatic cancer and all this this fat is ignored they scan it you they're looking at the the cancer they just complet you know it's just not part of our training it's just insane to me so yeah you can just Google zat comma cancer comma Trinity and Trinity um College was where or Trinity University in Ireland is where that study was done and and read it and learn about the influence very early on uh in cancer how your your best your first line of defense and your best line of defense uh are te- cells attacking cancer I was trying to show there's a there's a video um if you're in LinkedIn I put it on my LinkedIn account if any anybody wants to go to my LinkedIn account you know Dr Sean Oma I have a really cool video that just came out of a t- cell attacking a cancer cell how it works it's really really powerful little video it's beautiful how these cells work these immune system but unfortunately I I can't pull it up here technology limitation but uh yeah you can you can go to my LinkedIn account see that and I'm going to try to put in my Instagram um I'll see if I figure out maybe put it on my YouTube I also have a YouTube uh channel so you can see that that video the uh beautiful t- cell attacking and destroying um a a cancer cancer cell it's really really interesting so your bodies are just magnificent beautiful things I work with clients who understand their bodies are their most important physical asset and then I help them optimize that I think you know it's a beautiful insight for um anybody that is is listening today to to understand just the Majesty behind your body and how wonderful it is and how if you eat better you can you can preserve the health of your body so much better and for so much longer and then on top of diet I you know I advocate you know lifestyle like sprinting and getting sunshin and using a SAA and uh cold plunging or cold showers and it's basically a natural hormetic effect to to optimize those SPS bodies and uh I think if we live better we're going to see a lot less cancer yeah awesome uh yeah you know funny enough I actually played rugby for Trinity uh when I was over there oh did you yeah I did yeah so it's um I uh I was playing rugby uh professionally over in England and I uh my coach on the um s of Junior National Team all All-American rugby team uh when we toured to New Zealand was a guy named Tony Smith who's the head coach at Trinity College and in Dublin and so I was over there sort of just visiting him and uh I just you know was having a great time it was during their economic boom before the the the real estate crash really hit Ireland hard but it was it was amazing before that you know and they had like Microsoft there Google ended up there Facebook hasel tiger the Celtic tiger that's it and so um you know all these like big tech companies were there biotech companies were there so everybody from Europe was was going there because that's where the the jobs were and uh and it was great and I was having an amazing time and uh and I was playing I just sort of was was practicing and uh playing a bit with Trinity and some of the guys there found out that I was planning to go to medical school and they said well why don't why don't you come here you know we've got you know great Medical School great rugby team and uh things called the hospitals cup it's the oldest rugby tournament in the world it's very prestigious like it's literally it's like it's this uh this a platinum trophy that uh is it's like worth over like half a million dollars or is insured anyway uh for over half a million dollars and and I was just having such a great time I was like yeah that sounds great and I so I had a sort of an informal interview with their head of anatomy and physiology we really hit it off professor moir obrian she's a very nice lady and um and she was just like you know I really want you to come to school here and I was just like well you know I've you know still got like one year left I've just sort of you know put that on hold to I really only had two classes left to take and uh and then you know I wanted to come back after that because it was easier to come as a postgraduate you would You' skip a couple years because they they were straight out of high school program and you'd skip sort of the first sort of foundation years and so I was like well I'll finish this sort of stuff then I'll come back but then I ended up just continue on with rugby but when it was time to go to medical school I still always had that in my head like that's where I want to go and um and so I ended up applying over there but they then didn't have that system where if you had a degree you could skip the first couple years you had to do like the whole fiveyear program but then the the Royal College of Surgeons uh in in Dublin as well they had a a a you know postgraduate program just like in America like an MD program in America and um and also just like the name it's like the Royal College of Surgeons I was like well that's badass you know yeah and um and so I ended up going to to the College of Surgeons and but But continuing to play rugby for Trinity uh which which did not make my uh professors happy they're like you're playing for Trinity I was like look I'll play here too like it's it's different League totally separate you know and so I end up playing for for three teams during medical like during medical school so I played I played for Trinity which was in the top league in Ireland um in the all Ireland 1A uh I played for uh rcsi Royal College of Surgeons um but that was in a very very you know lower league and um and then in the hospitals Cup Tournament and that and that was that was great and I was actually captain of our team for two years which was I don't think that they had had other Americans uh be Captain so that was that was a pretty big honor to have that but I had a great time Trinity is awesome I had a lot of obviously a lot of friends that went to Trinity that I played rugby with it's a gorgeous campus it was built in like the 1500s the same beautiful I've been over there traveled in Dublin and I um I wanted to do an internship you know in college at Trinity I was a Penn State student but unfortunately I would have had to come back and do an extra year in college at Penn State I couldn't do my last year at Trinity which seems like such a silly rule um you had to your last year to graduate at Penn State so I didn't I didn't get to go to Trinity but it's a beautiful college but boy all your sports you know you got an alpha personality and so in my at my health and performance you know practice uh we're very attracted to people with Alpha personalities because they just have a drive about them and they want to get healthy so we we work um we like to work with alas because you know they just will cut out the nonsense they'll get up and hunt and they'll look at somebody that's performing really well they'll study them and do it so they're the best clients to work with because we show them what they got to do as long as they understand it they just do it when I worked with others that weren't like non- Alphas like uh people and and and and well actually they were a lot of the military they we couldn't get them to stop you know doing things like eating muffins and ice cream and and and and drinking beer and pizza uh we couldn't get that level of cooperation that we could get in the alpha who he or she they just wanted to be the best version of themselves possible so I just listening to your story I'm like this guy is a badass he's an alpha you know that's how he's ended up doing what he's doing and being the influencer that you are you know it's really you know part of your arch typal architecture you know you just have that Alpha personality and so yeah I see great things for you you're still so young um imagine you know Anthony chaffy when you're you know my age 60 you're you're just going to be fantastic so dude don't depart from Carnival don't settle back go back into another swing back into there just keep keep improving and optimizing and you're you're just going to be a marvelous spokesperson for us uh for the for the carnivore uh diet and carnivore Community oh well thank you very much I I certainly hope I can keep it up and and keep up um you know helping people I mean that's been the main thing it's been really encouraging you know getting messages from people about the the benefits that they've had and there's there's people that aren't having the best time with it and they ask for help and I try to help them too and we can I mean so far we've been able to troubleshoot you know issues and get people on track and that's that's been really rewarding and um and just seeing the I mean people reversing diseases that no one no one thought could reverse multiple sclerosis Crohn's I mean rumor arthritis who knew that unless you read the literature and the medical literature a hundred years ago when they were doing this every damn day with dietary interventions with like the Salsbury steak and things like that U but we forgotten all of that and uh you know I mean I you know I was talking to uh you know Dr sha Baker and and he was saying that he's met some people with Huntington's disease that have started reducing uh their symptoms of disease I never thought I thought that was basically 100% penetrance that just like you have Huntington's Gene like you will get this disease and it's devastating and yet there are people that are improving um and I think that's just absolutely incredible uh that that people were able to do that yeah well I'm excited about tracking the disease and I have a client with Ms who's who's now asymptomatic and not only that but uh their their lesions are reversing on their Mr so super exciting so I think we're going to see a lot more of that it's going to be our responsibility to catalog and capture this but I'm excited about the new breed of doctors coming up Dr Max Goan that I know you've had on you've been on his podcast and I think he's been on yours uh so Dr Go haane is is doing a good job he's a young physician and I'm just excited to see other physician providers stepping up and learning uh more and more increasingly uh about you know the cardival way of life and and uh dietary and lifestyle interventions and Dr G Gohan's very interested in visceral fat too so yeah I'm just really excited about the future it's a it's a really exciting time to be alive I I'm more excited 25 years after medical school than I was going in when I had my bright eyes and you just you know taking my hypocritic oath this is way more exciting what we're involved in at this point in our careers um the awareness and knowledge that we're getting so yeah shout out to sea Baker he's he's done a great job Sean's had me on a couple times on his podcast um he's done a great job promoting you know carnivore absolutely and uh and and Dr saladino uh there's so many great um you know contributors this particular space but uh I'm excited for the new leaderships the new leaders and Heck if we keep being meat we're gonna be we're gonna be right up there when we're 100 years old Anthony we'll just keep keep doing this and contributing so I think our community is actually going to grow while some of those that are spous different Lifestyles and different dietary I think their Community will be will be dwilly so yeah super bullish and optimistic about the future yeah absolutely me too so uh Dr Amara thank you so much for coming on I really appreciate it's been an absolute pleasure and uh very educational for myself and hopefully for everyone else watching um how can people find you and follow you and uh and and get in contacted with you if you need if they need to sure so I'm on H Instagram and Twitter u under DSA n o m a r a so just my name at Dr Shan Oma for Twitter and Instagram and I'm on YouTube under just Dr Sean Oma you can find me on YouTube and I have H some some nice videos about um about what I do and then I I have a my own website for people that might be interested and and working with a physician that's a health and performance optimizing physician in particular if you're an alpha so if you're a badass and want to be even better badass uh look me up on my website and my website is just my name ww w w d r s a n o m a r a.com and uh I have some cool videos on there and MRI some of the things and images that I showed here today and uh you can go there and click on find out more information about potentially working with me uh oneon-one I can't work with everybody so I'm the only health and performance optimized position in the world so I'm kind of selected about who I work with but I gave you a big hint if you're an alpha and you're really want to get better then I'd like to work with you because I study how you're doing that so I can share with other people perfect we'll put that all that up in the description notes and people can uh hopefully go and find you there and see more of your great work uh Dr rera thank you so much for coming on it's been an absolute pleasure yeah well thank you Dr chafy I really appreciate the opportunity to be on your show and be with you and I look forward to working with you and collaborating more in this exciting space absolutely so do I great all right well thank you everyone for listening if you if you got this far and hopefully you got a lot out of it uh please do uh like And subscribe if you haven't already leave a comment and share with your friends and anyone you think that could uh be helped with this I think obviously I think most of us know people with visceral fat that are suffering from some sort of chronic disease or illness and or even cancer and so if anyone that you know or that you care about could benefit from this please send this on to them uh if you think it would help all right everyone thank you very much and we'll see you next time hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to 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