"Vegan for 25 Years... — I Was WRONG" | Joy Villa

your your body looks for nutrients. It doesn't it doesn't track calories, right? You're not just looking for bulk. This is like, well, as long as it as long as this thing is sack is full, we'll trust you. You know, it's like, no, your body's your body's way more sophisticated than that and you have receptors in your stomach that track up your vag nerve to your brain and actually keep track of the amount of nutrients that are in your stomach right then and there. So, it doesn't have to know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this I mean this is why you get that feeling of satiety long before those nutrients are inside your body and your body has all the nutrients it needs. Your body knows what's coming down the pike. So your body can see that and just go like, "Oh, okay. We have some, but we want more." So things still taste good. That that meat is still desirable and it still tastes good, tastes good. But you'll notice it tastes slightly less good as you go. And then eventually it doesn't taste good at all. And you have a bite that just sort of tastes like cardboard and like that's weird. It's not really interesting anymore. and you just stop. If you finish a steak and it's good to the last bite, you probably go make another steak because your body's telling you that it still wants more, you you should probably have a bit of leftovers at least at the beginning until you sort of can understand what your body's telling you and how much it wants and you can sort of gauge how much you want. And um Wow. But that's how it does that. Yeah. And so long before your body absorbs it, your body's looking at the stomach going like, "Yep, that's enough. We're done." Now, if you're eating vegetables and fruit and grains and other sorts of of things that don't necessarily have the nutrient density of meat and you know anti-nutrients and toxins inside, but they just don't have those requisite nutrients. They just have bulk because there's a lot of fiber. It's stretching your stomach. You're getting physically full, but you're not your hunger is not actually satisfied because your your body can see it's like, yeah, there there's nothing in here. Yeah, there's stuff but there we actually need food. You know, that's crazy. It's so true because I would feel that and I mean I was raw vegan for a year. I was I I I tried everything and it wasn't to try to solve. And now when I was younger I modeled a lot. So I was very thin, very lean, like very thin um fit but you know lean lean lean thin and I was trying to stay skinny for modeling because I would always be like you're too big. So, I would try to try different, you know, ways to try to eat to fill myself up, exactly what you said, but not overeat. And raw vegan, I felt a lot of energy on it. I felt great. Uh, it was very impractical, though. You know, you I'm bringing avocados on me, you know, to eat on the plane. I was just like, that's all I could eat and apples. And then it was very tough cuz I also craved cooked warm foods, right? Like comfort. And I never felt full. Like I did get more energy. I think it was better than eating the cooked vegetables for me, but it didn't and at the end of the day I'm like it it doesn't give me what I want. So when I switched my goals to bodybuilding and I said now I need to build muscle. I competed as a vegan and won true trophy trophies. Nice. But which thank you was amazing. Um but I ate so many grains. The diet I had I had a trainer for that. The diet I was on was so grainfilled. so many protein shakes and so it was not even though it it got the desired effect. I felt awful, right? Like I felt miserable. I looked fantastic. Now eating carnivore and lifting, I can lift for two hours and I like to lift heavy and I feel incredible. Like I I don't feel bad, you know? I feel I feel satiated. I also feel like very like yeah, I'm going to dig into this steak and like I I I earned it. I deserve it. And then after I feel like, oh yeah, I fed my body. My body feels happy. It's crazy. I don't feel snacky. I used to snack on a lot of chips and a lot of like things like that that I would have said is healthy. Um, and then the way I I counsel and consult with my clients is different, too, because I say, "Hey, listen. Why don't you add some more meat there? You know, why don't you add butter?" They'll be like, "Oh, I'm sorry. I was cooking with butter." You should cook with butter. Yes, tallow. Beef tallow. You know, I'm one of those converts now. And my clients are happier because It's just practical. It's easy. Yeah. Have the burger, take off the bun, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, even little things like that, you know, just moving in the right direction, you know, is is it makes a huge different for difference for people and their both their results and their health. And, you know, we we see so many people when they're trying to lose weight, maybe, you know, for model, you want to stay skinny, so I'm going to go vegan. I just have a high fiber food that fills up my stomach but doesn't actually give me any nutrition. That was the argument in the 80s and and early 90. You may remember this as a kid. I certainly do. That they said, you know, well, well, to satisfy your hunger, you know, go to eat a bunch of vegetables because it has all this fiber, but it doesn't have any calories. And so there's like the celery diet where you just you can eat it takes more calories to process the the celery than it does than you get from the celery. And so it's just like you just eat as much celery as you want, you'll just be losing weight, losing weight. It was just like, who wants to live that life? It's a horrible life. Dieting is horrible. Yeah, it's not a lifestyle. It's awful. And I love fats. That's what, you know, I was very low on omega fatty acids and I used to, you know, uh I used to supplement those being a vegan. And I healed so many of this tiredness, this agitation, this hunger, this what it's it's even hard to to classify, but I know you know what I'm talking about. Something that's running this tape. It must be the body going like, "Feed me nutrients. feed me nutrients. That went away when I started eating high fats. First was salmon. I love salmon, but to be honest, my favorite food right now is just beef. Like, I just eat steaks and butter all day. I'm such a big bro, right? I feel like it's so good. Tastes amazing. And you know, when especially especially when people are trying to stay slim or you know, women, they they go into like a vegan thing and and some people it becomes an eating disorder because they want to stay skinny. skinny and they're quite obsessed with it and so they they want to eat these things and and because they think if you eat meat or fat you're gonna get fat you there's no chance at all that I'm gonna do that but you look back at at the you know the beauty icons you know of you know previous times and what do they eat well Marilyn Monroe was very open she ate bacon and eggs every morning she ate a lot of meat she was very clear she she ate a lot of meat that was her main staple was fatty meat and eggs yeah so you know And you know, she wasn't a, you know, you know, a Calvin Klein, you know, paperclip model. Thank God cuz nobody wants that anymore. It's I, you know, and that's not the way a feminine body should look. Some women are naturally thin. It's okay. But now my programs, I have my my women, I call them my curvy, confident queens. I have the ladies that want to build a booty. They want to have nice, juicy glutes. They want to have soft feminine curves, but they want to have lower fat, body fat, but some body fat, right? And muscle. And the men want to be ripped, strong king. So, I I train people so differently now than I did before. And I would have told you I had a healthy mindset. So, it's so important to have push back and conversations and watch the opposite views, you know, cuz we can be in a bubble. I was the most stubborn. I would have told you, yeah, in my 20s, I'm I'm the most healthy. I know exactly, you know, I know what I'm talking about, you know. But when you start to see, this is why I love the internet, too, that we have so many different opinions and ideas and podcasts like this. So, you have conversations. Someone might listen to this and be like, "Oh, yeah. I think a little bit like him. I think a little bit like her." And then form your own opinion. And that's the basis of everything. Form your own opinion. Do some experimentation. That's why I had to try a carnivore. I was like, "Okay, I'm hating on these guys, but I'm already eating meat." So, like, I've been wanting to do something I call like a carnivore cleanse cuz I'm like I was big into the cleanse I did juicing and I love fasting and I love, you know, so I said, "Okay, what if I did a carnivore cleanse?" Because I loved bread. Sourdough bread was my Achilles heel. Can't keep it in the house. It would just be gone and my husband make fun of me. But now we keep bread here cuz he eats bread. I don't eat it. I don't touch it. I don't think about it. I'll have a carnivore cake. I make carnivore ice cream. The other day, um, I'm always making some kind of carnivoreish muffins, you know, with cheese and I'll mix eggs. I use beef tallow for everything. Tons of sea salt. I noticed when I eat more salt, like I have sea salt in my water here and I eat more fats, it's easier to just eat meat. Cuz at first I thought this is going to be hard. It wasn't hard in the beginning um because I was doing lots of salts and fats and then probably the third week it got a little rougher and then um this week I've had cravings because I'm on my cycle. So I'm like, "Okay, time to bring out that carnivore chocolate cake, carnivore ice cream, like make me feel like I'm eating naughty things, but it's healthy. I'm not even eating any fruit." And I I kind of when I started eating meat, I kind of stopped eating fruit. It's interesting cuz I don't see it. I know some carnivore people eat a little bit of berries, right? Is that Do you eat some fruit or you just just No, you're pure. 100%. Yeah, 100%. Never cheated. Never had a cheat day. Never wanted to. That's incredible. That's amazing. 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She has read all of them. She has used all of them. You know, she absolutely just loves like the culinary, you know, um uh uh experience and and um just of of making the food and mixing these things together and even the chemistry and the chemical, you know, bonds and connections that they make. you know, a guy chef Alton Brown who goes into like the chemistry behind uh food and how these things mix together and these chemical bonds and reactions that make these flavors that you're looking for. And so my mom loves all that stuff. And so we'd have these like amazing dinners all the time, but for our birthday was just like whatever you want, she's going to make like the dinner you wanted. All I wanted every year was just like as much steak as I could eat. Not just like the portion for the table and you know there's seven people in the family so it's just like you didn't necessarily get all the meat that you wanted. And I always wanted a lot of meat. Yeah. But it was like it's my birthday. I want big ass steaks. I want I want to keep be able to keep eating steak until I don't want to eat steak anymore. I just want as much you know just big steak. Half a cow, you know, with like Yeah. with like some like Holland sauce or something like that. like or Bernay's sauce on it um at the time. And um and and so that's what I would do. And then when I started doing carnivore full on and and and in intentionally so knowing this is what I was doing, I wasn't just like, well, I'm not going to eat plants or whatever and just defaulting into carnivore. Um I just it just felt so wonderful and I just felt so right. And every day I was just eating a big amazing steak until I felt like, you know, not eating anymore. And I said to my dad, I was like, "It just feels like my birthday every day." He goes, "I get I get exactly what I want every single day. I just have this big amazing steak. This is like my special birthday meal that I have to wait once a year for just to really treat myself. I get this every day. Every single day I get this amazing steak." And so, you know, there's there's there's nothing else that I want. Um, you know, awesome. Yeah. The the only times I'll I'll I'll sort of, you know, snack on like a bit of cheese or lunch meat or something like that is just like if there's not if I don't have steaks cut up and I'm like just too lazy to like do something. I'm like, I'll just I'll have this right now. I'll cut something up later. Something like that. Otherwise, it's just it's just stakes. And so, you know, with when I'm, you know, you know, with other people and things like that or or we're traveling or I'm at, you know, visiting family, you know, it's it's um, you know, there's always meat available. I can always cook it, but there might be other other things around, it doesn't tempt me. But when it's in when I'm in my house, my house is just meat. It's just stacks of meat. And so it's like my my fridge is like like a butcher's you know shop you know it's like it's you know so I've got I've got you eat fish as well. Yeah sometimes. Yeah like you know um wild caught and um nice only and um but 99% of what I eat is beef. And um so yeah, so I have I have whole fridge and I've got big fryback packs of beef that are just sitting there wet aging and then I've got them cut up and you know salted if I you know back when I used salt now I don't use salt. You don't use salt? It just doesn't taste good to me anymore. Wow. At first at first it's a good idea to use salt though, especially if your body's craving it because when your insulin levels are coming down, when you go ketogenic, it's not carnivore, it's ketogenic. And when your insulin levels come down, you can lose too much uh salt out of your kidneys. And um and so I noticed that I get really tired until I would put salt in water. Yeah. And so yeah, you lose the salt, you get salt um wasting in your urine and you also get dehydrated. So and the dehydration can really make you tired as well. And so yeah, adding in more water and some more salt to replace that can be really helpful. And then eventually you get keto adapted and and your insulin levels just sort of normalize and then it you're not losing as much. You don't need as much. There's some people I've I know one person that years onto a ketogenic diet still needs to add just a buttload of salt. I mean like seven grams a day like tons of salt and taking salt tablets and things because that that's what he needs. He he feels he doesn't feel good without that. Yeah. And whereas otherwise he feels fantastic otherwise and um but you know everybody else it just that sort of levels off and for me I would salt yeah I salted pretty heavily at first and uh and then that sort of went down and down and down and down and down until now like um bacon just tastes in intensely salty to me. Wow. And so yeah and that sort of sucks. Your body got it salt stores. It's fine now. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, you do limited dairy? Limited? Very lied. Raw milk? Very rarely. Like once a year sort of thing. Yeah. Oh, wow. Cuz we drink raw milk in the house. It's It's really good for you, you know. It's like it's it has tons of nutrients and and a lot of things that are very beneficial. Um it has enough carbohydrates that it will spike your insulin. And I've checked that on myself, you know, drinking drank raw milk for, you know, three days in a row. And I checked my insulin. It absolutely came up. My fasting insulin came up. And so, you know, that had that did have an effect um on me anyway. And um so it it can be depending on how much you drink, it can spike your insulin enough to kick you out of ketosis. And I do think that ketosis is is a useful thing to be in. If you're having a glass of milk with your meal or something like that, it's probably not a big deal. The problem comes when you uh keep going back because it has quasomorphines which are or I don't know you want to addiction is not the right word, but it does cause like sort of compulsive eating and it tells the baby mammal, hey, keep eating, keep eating, keep eating, keep eating so that it grows because baby animals are are vulnerable. they get eaten. And so, you know, you're trying to protect these things. You know, we're not we're not like lizards or frogs that are having, you know, thousands of little babies, you know, per clutch. You know, we we've got, you know, one or two. And like these little suckers need to survive, you know, or else or else we're done. And so that they that those quilomorphines and I I believe the the carbs um as well will cause them to say, "I want more. I want more. I want more. I want more." And um and so that does that to us. and then we end up eating more than we want or sort of having compulsive sort of relationship with that raw milk. So like when I when I get my hands on raw milk, it doesn't last long and you know so I'm like like with I'm like you with the sourdough bread like it just doesn't it doesn't sit around. I know. And so if I have like a regular supply of that, I'm like just I'm just drinking a lot of that and I'm just like okay no I guess you don't need that. Exactly. That's your addiction. Do you do any keto or I should say carnivore desserts? Um, it's more steak usually, you know. Steak. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I don't Yeah. I don't do use any sweeteners or anything like that because the sweeteners can um they can actually re-trigger the carb cravings and the sugar cravings and things like that. And so, even though they're not sugar, they can still trigger some of those centers in your brain saying like, "Oo, sweet. Remember that?" Then then you want that sweetness again. Is there any sweetener that doesn't do that? I know alulose is a big one trending now. Um I I think they'll all give a bit of that because it goes through your lyic system and your memory and things like that. You're just like that. Is it better to just do the honey or the maple syrup in that point? I think alulose would be better than that because because it, you know, I don't I don't know for sure that alulose doesn't do this, but I'm I I'm not aware of alulose giving like a um a dopamine hit to your reward centers of your brain like fructose does. So fructose is actually addictive. It's an actual addictive drug by the strictest medical definition. It it is a drug. And so like from honey or fruit or maple syrup, there's a lot of of fructose in there. It's actually in, you know, there's it difference and varies in in honey, but in uh you know, some honeys have more fructose than high fructose corn syrup, you know. So it's very high in fructose. It has other things that are beneficial in there too, but you get the bad with the good, you know, so um you have to be aware of that. And and the fructose is is addictive. It gives it gives a a large dopamine hit to your addiction centers in your brain just like cocaine, heroin and meth. And they've done studies with MRIs with humans giving them like a you know some sort of empetamine like a you know an aderall or something like that to like you know someone who's not addicted to any of these things and and those addiction those reward centers light up like a Christmas tree right which is why you're like oh yes that was good. Yeah. Then they give that same dose to a meth addict and it barely twinkles because all those areas have actually been so worn out with a meth addiction that they've actually died and there just there's barely anything left. But then they gave that same dose to a sugar addict who's metabolically sick and same barely twinkle as the meth addict. So this is as addictive as crazy. We should do that with social media addicts too. See what probably probably the same probably very similar dopamine hit. I started my days off with prayer and worship now and I I don't even look at my phone because I used to be so addicted to looking at my phone in the morning and I thought, well, I'm not looking at Instagram. I'm checking my emails. I'm being very organized. We were talking about that. Now I'm like, my assistant looks at my emails. My mornings are for me. I kiss my husband. I praise the Lord. I spend a good hour. I read my Bible. I do anything without screens. before then I jump on and do my live show because if I and then when I'm I'm already on cameras and in front of computers and electronics all day, I try to get out and touch grass because it's addicting all this like and it and it can cause this anxiety. The dopamine hits like sugar, the dopamine hits like social media. I don't we don't want to have any of that stuff. It's just all unnatural. So, I feel like I'm so grateful that people for you and for people like you and and me and people who are starting to become more aware of this. We're going back to nature. We're going back to the way our bodies were created to be, right? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And yeah, I I love that. I I hate my phone. I hate being having to be stuck to it all the time. And you know, it's just such a shame because I do so so much of my work through that. So much communication and messages. I really I think it's made it overly complicated and unnecessarily complicated. I mean, we have 50 different apps to do the exact same thing as as a text message, you know? I know. It's crazy. Like, why do why do we need that, you know? Like, just send send me a damn text. Like, I I don't want that. I don't want all these messages. It just it just drives me nuts. And I've got to go from one app to the other app to the other app to the other app and check. Oh, maybe I have to go back to the other app. Maybe I've missed something there. Oh, maybe there's another message and I have to go back. I know. I think they did it on purpose just to make you so you're just doing this ring around the rosie thing just looking at all your different apps and then you just you can never get off of it because I have to check an app. I have to check an app. I have to check an app. It's a ding ding ding ding. People who don't have their notifications silenced drive me crazy. People complain all the time. I try to call you. Listen, my phone's always on silent. I don't care. I can feel it when it rings. If if I meant to pick it up and see that it's you, I will pick it up when it's ringing or I will look at it on my own time. My phone is like a home phone. I don't want to be that reachable. I don't want you to be able to unless you're like my in intimate innermost family, right? You shouldn't be able to get a hold of me that quick. So, I'm very like I I rarely do I jump on a phone call. There's like very few people like four people in my life that I'll jump on the phone and be that reachable because it just causes anxiety. And when I'm at the gym, I'm putting music on. Um, but I'm not on my phone, right? I'm not I'm I'm I have to discipline. Okay, music, but like look at things outside of yourself cuz we start looking our eyes are just like here and here and it causes exhaustion when you can't look out. Have you ever looked at a screen for hours and then you look out a window and and the window's fuzzy? I've had that happen where I go, "Okay, I have to adjust my eyes. I have to be able to regularly be doing that." So, I think we're just going back to regular roots, like our regular roots is very simple stuff. Go outside, eat meat, right? We don't have to get weird. That's what I I teach my clients. You don't have to It doesn't have to be complicated. It doesn't have to be weird. Let's just, you know, take a walk and eat some healthy food and just get in the gym and do this and do that. So, yeah. Absolutely. I I was going to say, too, you mentioned the um you know, your your clients wanted to get like curvy and things like that. might be too late, you know, when people are adult, but you that's one of the things that people don't realize is that, you know, we have these little stick figure people walking around, you know, like the Calvin Klein model or, you know, very very Yeah. And um part of that is is because of lack of nutrition during adolescence and and development. If you don't get these essential fats, soluble nutrients that only exist in animal foods, um you're you're not going to develop properly. K2, D3. Um, those are very important for facial and bone structure. So, you're not going to get, you know, as wide a jaw. You're going to get, uh, crooked teeth, crowded teeth, although teeth are exactly the same, but they're they're expecting to come into a bigger jaw. And they should come in just be straight and nice and get all your your wisdom teeth and everything like that. You're designed for that. It's just if you don't get enough vitamin D3 or K2, it won't develop properly or calcium as well. And um, so you need all of those things. And um one of the things about um being curvy um is vitamin D. And uh you know, we've been vilifying the sun. Another natural thing that that we've grown up in. And we're not trogodites. We didn't we didn't we're not underground dwellers that just found this strange new world, you know, up above the the cover your eyes. Stay away from the sun. Uh yeah, we're not like these chuds that are just like, you know, underground and just like, you know, you know, just need to avoid the sun and um you know, so we're actually designed to be out there. You know, our bodies are meant to be out in the sun. Our eyes actually developed before Edison made the light bulb. Crazy as it sounds, but the our eyes were actually designed to take in light from the sun, as strange as that is. And people just forget that. They think it's, oh, it destroys your eyes. is going to destroy your body. It's going to destroy your skin. We're getting the least amount of sun exposure in recorded history and we're the highest skin cancer and the highest skin cancer as well. Wow. And we're depressed, right? Which low levels of vitamin D lead to depression. So now we're on pharmaceuticals. Yeah. Yeah. Our immune systems are compromised. We're pale. Absolutely. We're ugly. We're skinny. It's like tells how you really feel. We're ugly. Skinny. Stupid. Useless. We're dumb. We're useless human beings. But it's so it's so true. We're like and it's a weird concept, but humans were actually designed to live on planet Earth with the sun with the way it is and crazy. Crazy concept that God already gave us the skin and the eyes and the bones and the marrow to be able to survive on this planet. We don't actually have to have this trillion dollar industry of skin creams and all this anti-aging and surgery. I mean, I'm a big person of take care of your skin, but yeah, I started going out in the sun more, too, you know, getting out of the cult of veganism. My skin used to burn from the sun. And I've heard some influencers who talked about it because I like to consume other people's content, too. And like, what are they saying? What's their experience? Right? And some people said once they started eating meat, some exvegans, their skin was able to stay in the sun without getting burnt. And now I have I'm a woman of color, so I I don't get burned, but I used to get this weird tingling like I don't know, it would be like it would it would hurt after a while. So I would avoid the sun. And now I'll walk to the store without sunblock, which you would have never seen Joy do 10 years ago. And it doesn't hurt. It doesn't bother me. I mean, I I if I really want to shield my face so it doesn't get wrinkly, I just put like a hat on, right? Or beef tallow, right? Doesn't beef tallow have some SPF. Great. Uh, it's about SPF 4. Emu oil is about SPF8. Um, but but it's also just good for your skin. It helps hydrate and moisturize your skin, which helps it be healthier and protect and and that is protection in and of itself. And um, the other thing is is vitamin D um is your own natural uh, sunblock. You know, you want UV light on your skin, by the way. I mean, it's actually it we have more photo receptors on our skin than we do on our eyes. And so we get signals and and communication, you know, and uh and and um you know, our body knows which hormones to pump out and things like that. We should be naked in the sun. We should go back to naked probably. Yeah. Well, you Well, then there's that whole other thing. There's a whole bunch of people out there sunning their taints and things like that. You know, the more it's just god awful. Like I don't care how how good of like an improvement you get with that. Like you can keep that one for yourself. That's your own that's your own secret. know about it. Oh god. Vaginal sunning experience. No. Hey guys, just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at Carnivore Bar. I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat. For those times that you're out hiking, road tripping, or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat, fat, and salt if you want it. The Carnivore Bar is a great option. So I like this product not because it's just pure meat, but also because I want the carnivore market to thrive as well. And the more we support meat only products, the more meatonly products there will be available in the mainstream. So if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind, check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off, which also applies to subscriptions, giving you 25% off total. All right, thanks guys. And um yeah, so but vitamin D, you know, we make it on the surface of our skin. It's actually um it's actually our own natural UV protectant. And when you're not eating um meat, you're not getting proper um vitamin D because a you're not getting vitamin you're not going to get vitamin D from your food, but you're also not going to get uh cholesterol. You're going to make some cholesterol, but the problem is when you're eating very plant-based that the plants have their own cholesterol, they're called plant steriles or phytosteriles, right? And that is similar enough in chemical composition to our own cholesterol that when we absorb it into through our gut, it signals our liver that there's cholesterol coming in so we don't need to make as much. And so that's why this has been recommended by doctors for decades to eat, you know, almonds and different sorts of things like that because they have those plant steriles will lower your cholesterol and cholesterol is bad because, you know, your body is trying to kill you and so you have to like protect it from it from itself. We weren't meant to live on this planet. Yeah. With cholesterol and our liver is supposed to make cholesterol on a space blurb somewhere without light and without gravity. That's how our body. Yeah. And so you know um that lowers cholesterol because it it stops our body from making cholesterol because a we have enough. Now you don't have enough. And vitamin D is synthesized from cholesterol. All of your sex steroid hormones are synthesized from cholesterol. mineral corticoids, gluccocorticoids, estrogens, testosterone, progesterone, um all these things. It's all So now we have pale, skinny, ugly troglodites that can't stay in the sun and they are also what are those people that can't have sex? Incels. Incelss. Yeah. Yeah. If you are vegan, this is you. This we're calling out veans. Yeah. Impotent and infertile. That's another thing, too. You know, fertility rates going down. lowest fertility rates in recorded history, lowest testosterone rates in human history, in recorded history. You have low worst sperm counts. Um, you know, that's getting worse and worse. It's not great. You know, it's hard to find masculine men out there and feminine women because people's hormones are messed up. Yeah, it absolutely is. and you know and um you know and again stick figure that comes from a lot of that's from vitamin D and um well largely vitamin D at least for that. So vitamin D gives the secondary sexual characteristics of both men and women during puberty. So it it broadens men's shoulders narrows the waist so you get that classic V-shaped appearance of like the old school bodybuilders back before they just became mass monsters and things like that and just gked up with steroids. But um but the actual classical, you know, male physique and in women it narrows the waist and widens the hips. You get that hourglass figure. Yeah. And um which is probably why there's like so many bikini models coming out of Brazil because they eat a lot of meat and they're in the sun, you know, so probably getting good vitamin D. Exactly. That's And they're hotties out there. That's the hotties are going Yeah. Who knew? Just get sunshine and eat meat. It's the opposite of what they tell us. It's exact. Well, generally, I mean, that's a good rule of thumb is just whatever the authorities are telling you to do, probably not a good idea as far as like that's health advice, you know, authorities and celebrities and anybody who's famous and rich, they're getting a check cut to say that to say that sort of thing. Yeah, exactly. And um yeah, it's and at the end of the day, I mean, you you like you said, try it, experiment, look at it yourself and just see, you know? I mean, the only thing that matters is the results that you get as an individual, you know, even even if it's like you get better results as a vegan than a carnivore. Like, I don't care. Like, I'm happy for you, you know? I mean, you're not it's not it's not going to happen. But, you know, but if that were to happen, like I don't care. Like, I'm not invested in this or like I don't I don't care. I just want people to be healthy. And And you're not religious about it, which is great. I don't find that I, you know, I was afraid initially when I went to try carnivore that it would be like the vegan world I came from. Very cultic, very like religious about it. Like, oh, you ate, you cheated, you don't count. And but people like literally I the carnivores I talked to, they don't care. They're like, cool. Works for you, works for you. If it doesn't, it doesn't. It's very healthy. See, because they have vitamin D in their brain. So, it's like people who are just chill, they're casual, healthy. Yeah. Exactly. Do you think it's been done? Well, I know the answer for myself, but do you think this has been done on purpose to hide the carnivore se? Like, is it a secret that people are there? They forced us to you think it's done on purpose, or do you think it's just it's there's nothing nefarious about it? There's a lot of intention behind this. Yeah. I mean, you have you have people being paid to explicitly attack the carnivore diet and being attack meat and all these other sorts of things, and you're seeing it now. I mean it's it's a very coordinated effort and if there's the coordination then there's coordination there's there's a plan there's someone there there's people saying hey let's all do this at the same time you know there was a there was a um I forget the name of her channel but she had some you know um fitnessy health sort of thing and channel like blew up just in a year so it looked like is like this could have been like a sort of a manufactured account she had um you know every single post was just like perfectly structured and scripted and lighted and edited did and uh it's one year old exactly like this month and she's got 1.5 million followers and everything is just it was very plant-based, you know, very, you know, very mundane, calories in, calories out, you know, don't eat junk food and all that sort of stuff, but but you know, have some, but don't, you know, go crazy, but, you know, don't don't stay away from it because, oh, you should have some or else you're going to binge. All the all the classic tropes, you know, classic tropes. Yeah. Yeah. And Yeah. and like and and nothing about meat, you know, it was all all the protein thing. Oh, this high protein, you know, almond butter, you know, bar sort of thing. It was all plant-based proteins and things and then all of a sudden there was a post like a couple weeks ago where it was just like I tried the carnivore diet because I wanted abs and I got abs. It was so great, but then the health issue started. I lost my period and I got PCOS and and there like shows her in the hospital with like a, you know, a drip in her arm and things like that. plant acne and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. And so and I was just like, yeah, you you don't actually get hospitalized with PCOS and you don't need IV medication for PCOS either. Sorry, that's not what that is. And it's like, oh, I don't have my period. I need to go on a drip and check and um dripping blood like and yeah, it's like we're just going to pump estrogen into your into your veins and like um but then then it was um but then she was saying so I did corn for eight weeks and it just destroyed my health, right? And now it's been 12 weeks on since she did that. So at the time of the video she said it was 12 weeks on, right? And this this was two weeks ago was oh it could have been before it could have been. No, she said she was still doing this, going through it, and it has been 12 weeks. She just posted it. She's saying she's talking about now. Okay. Mhm. So, that's 12 weeks that she's been recovering, and she says she's still not recovered. And then 8 weeks on that that this So, that's five months. Her accounts only existed for a year. You go back through the last five months of her stuff, it's all plant-based. Plant-based. There's no acne anywhere. She's not talking about PCOS now going to the hospital, anything like that. There's nothing. There's nothing and there's not a word of it. It's the only thing that's ever mentioned that. And then the literally the next day or the day after like within very close proximity of this other big accounts, you know, with hundreds of thousands or over a million followers that all pushed this whole processed food is is okay. You know, like having some sugar and this and that. It's not that big a deal. and you know, you're just being, you know, fairers and, you know, putting out, you know, studies on seed oils and and aspartame and all these other sorts of things, saying it's not they're not bad and all that sort of stuff. And some of them who've been paid to say this because they got busted by the FTC and um and got a written warning, it's public record right now and threatened with a $50,000 fine if they don't straighten up. Now, people like that are now have a fully edited and scripted and published video, you know, responding to her video that just came out the day before and saying, "Oh, well, this you see this this this shows that carnivore is a really bad idea. This is an influencer come out. She's she's broken her side. She's talking about this and talking about her experience, this that and the other." And it's just like multiple people are doing that and they all publish on the same day. So that's a coordinated effort. Absolutely. You know, and that's that's a complete and utter con. And I see fake accounts popping up saying, "Oh, hey, I'm carnivore, but oh now I'm going to stop carnivore because of my cholesterol." It's like a fake account. You've got six posts, you know? Like what the hell are you talking about? I'm like, you know, and um so crazy. They call that um they call it astrourfane. Have you heard that term? Yeah. So, you know, grassroots is a natural movement that comes from the roots. You know, it's like grassroots. It's like people um carnivore is very grassroots. It's shared naturally. There's no like overhead carnivore, you know, I don't know, like leader and that we have to follow and eat the certain thing. So astrourfing which is fake grass is when a company and the pharmaceutical companies are known for doing this. They did this with aderall and all those studies for kids is they would hire fake people or they hire real people to create fake personas online and they would infiltrate all the mommy blogs and they say, "Oh, my kid had the same problem like you, Susan, and this is why I used aderall, you know." And then so now moms are reading these blogs going, "Well, this helped for this mom who looks like me and wow, she reads this blog and she's on this Facebook group and before you know it, there's a movement started." But it was started by, you know, and literally if you think about these companies that have billions of dollars to put into this to attack small creators like you were just like literally like, "Hey, I'm a doctor that just happens to eat this way. It helped healed me and my patients. I want to tell people about it." And then you don't have all this, you know, brand money recognition Coca-Cola budget to to do what they do. So this is what they do. This is their tactics and it's astrourfing. and so many companies, but it's been exposed because like you you're smart. You can see it. People can just do a Google search and be like, "What?" You know, let me ask Chat GBT real quick. Oh, yeah. This is fake. But they're dumb. They're all like old, you know, people in their 60s that just are like, "I'll give you $100,000. Make those accounts. Make it make it look good." Yeah. They can't they can't stop the small creators like us. And we're some of the bigger creators on the internet compared to normal people, but we're small compared to what we come up against, you know, the major pharmaceutical companies, the major um, you know, big food, right? We have big pharma, big food. It's crazy. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. I mean, they've been doing this sort of thing for decades. And so, you know, they've been vilifying meat, vilifying fat to to push their own products, their sugary processed food, plant-based. Well, they're eating the best steaks and fats, I'm sure. Always. They were definitely serving steak at Davos. That's for sure. You know, always saying that, you know, let let them eat bugs and like, but we're eating steaks, you know. Exactly. The bugs thing is crazy cuz there's vegans who embrace that. And they, this is the weird thing when I noticed in veganism is they were embracing the the fake meat. Okay. I used to eat a lot of that fake meat. By the grace of God, I didn't die. It's so disgusting. But then when they started doing the lab grown meat, I never tried that. I mean, Bill Gates owns a lot of these fake meat companies. And I used to eat the vegan section. I just walk by and I give it the middle finger now. I used to eat all that crap. Fake cheese, fake meat, fake I mean, and then I started going, "This makes me sick. I I don't really like eating this." And then I luckily I like to cook, so I would create my own things. But still, you're creating out of vegetables and and and you're thinking it's healthy. It's not. It's a it's just this catch 22. You know, if I eat more vegetables, I'll be healthy healthy. But to eat healthy, you actually have to not eat a lot of vegetables, right? But nobody tells you that. They just tell you eat vegetables. So all of it I I believe all of it's created, all of it's astroturf like you explained, all of it. and they just but they can't keep up with the real voices with real people, you know, real subscribers, real uh individuals who think for themselves. They just can't compete with authenticity because you can't fake a conversation like this, you know, uh no matter how bad things get, I think real people are going to see the truth and they're going to be able to discern fact from fiction. They're going to look for it. That's what happened with me. I started going, "Okay, fine." you know, grassroots, my husband telling me about conser, you know, uh, tell me about carnivore and then I doing the research and then finding all these people online like you who created content and then being like, okay, let me try this, you know, and then feeling great, feeling freaking fantastic. Boom. Why would I go back? They they don't have you once you try it. That's why they always try to stop you from trying it. That that's why the scare tactics because if they said you know what ve if if vegans were honest when they said you know what veganism is the best but try carnivore and if you don't feel better because you won't cuz vegan's the best come back to veganism. No because then it would lose all their people. That's what cults do is just don't read about it. Don't look at it. Don't research it. Just believe me. I'm telling you it's the best. So just Oh okay. Just like just burn through them. They gave up. Yeah. So I beat the game, you know, it was a game of nutrition, you know, and so I just sort of sort of wore it down and finally got got drunk. Even though I was not trying to on that day, you know, I was just I was just drinking at the pace I've been drinking at for the last 3 days and not been had a