Transform Your Life with Martin Silva | Lean Muscle & Optimal Health

and it's really quite simple when you strip everything back I think people get overwhelmed and you know conflicted because there's so much conflicted information online and everything else and it really is quite simple you know if this was tried and tested because my girlfriend did it as well and she was just like dropping weight just getting leaner and leaner and leaner just as a side effect she's trying to eat more and more she was loving it she would love in the enjoying the food not getting bored getting leaner and leaner and leaner you know not intentionally man she built muscle as well actually she's been training for a long time wake up feeling sharper in the mornings you know you're not getting as many Cravings naturally your body starts looking better when you look in the mirror because that's just a reflection of your Habits Like I said and it doesn't have to be so complicated you know what I mean it's like if people would just hello everyone it's Dr Anthony Chaffey again here with another episode of the plant free MD today I have a very special guest Martin Silva who is a transformation coach an ex-pro physique competitor and public speaker and podcaster he spent over and he has over 15 years of experience in helping people unlock their true potential uh with their mindset body and lifestyle Martin thank you so much for coming on the show hey thanks for having me on man it's a pleasure to finally meet you and I'm really looking forward to this Chapel man or even though we did just talk for an hour I'll figure you know what I mean hopefully we'll have something to talk about yeah exactly well cool well um if you can tell us that for people who haven't come across you uh can you tell us a bit about you and what you do sure yeah so long story short I started off as a personal trainer when I was 19 20 got into it from a really young age and fast forward to now I'm 35 years old so I've been within the fitness space for you know 15 years or so now and yeah about three years ago four years ago I built like an online transformation program so essentially I helped people with everything in between now so training nutrition lifestyle mindset and as you just said then really helping people get into the shape of their life and unlock their true potential but I've always been you know like yourself you get you could say an athlete but never at the level of Anthony you know what I'm saying but I'm going to say athlete because it sounds good I used to play rugby when I was younger up until I was about 25 and did bodybuilding then when I stopped playing rugby at about the age 23 sorry 24 and then I got into like competitive bodybuilding then about a year after that and I did that for a good kind of three to five years got to the pro level doing that in my 20s and yeah originally I'm from Wales in the UK so I'm from uh from Cardiff the capital Wales in the UK and I moved to Australia six years ago so I've been here for exactly six years now and only came here you know the usual story Anthony came here for a year as a Brit and then the rest is history now I'm a permanent resident here and uh yeah moved to the other side of the world so good times yeah awesome so um so you how long did you compete in in bodybuilding so I did that for a good I competed nine times so I did it for like three years pretty consistently and then I came to Australia and I packed it in and then I just did one more show when I was in osdam which is 2019. so yeah it was three years you know pretty consistently and then I did an extra one on top of that as well yeah nice very good and you're also a podcaster is that right correct yeah yeah I've got my own podcast um optimize your body yeah and yeah I've been doing that for when I moved towards as well actually since 2018 started it uh stopped it for a year and a half when I was uh focusing on you know the online stuff and then picked it back up about year and a half ago I had our our man uh Sean Baker on the first episode and uh kicked it off to a flying start again yeah great and so what do you what do you like to talk about on uh your podcast what do you like to cover there so on my podcast I talk about basically everything relating to um sustainable Health if you like sustainable health and you know Fitness Nutrition those kind of things but what I do like to do I like to keep it kind of diverse in terms of my guess but you know I guess we'll talk about this um I find myself getting more and more fascinated now about you know animal-based nutrition and stuff and the carnival way of living and stuff because obviously we can talk about my transition but generally it's uh it's everything relating to people getting into really really good physical shape and really kind of building building a bulletproof body if you like and and helping them make changes with their mindset and lifestyle that they can actually stick to so my message is always about their sustainability it's about making permanent changes because you know yourself most people really struggle to make changes that they can stick to because let's be honest you know Behavior change doesn't matter who you are don't care who you are uh Behavior changes is very difficult you know what I mean and a lot of people are kind of all or nothing and a lot of it and need to be honest is based on my own personal experience as well having been doing the body uh being a bodybuilder got to the pro level doing that as I said you know had the All or Nothing mentality basically so I used to be world's worst for kind of I was used to essentially bingy as well for about for about 18 months there on and off when I was bodybuilding because I kind of did it the wrong way on my first few shows I didn't really know what I was doing just did it on a whim and you know all the restrictive dieting getting down to whatever it was three three four percent body fat in the calibers it's never going to be healthy and I actually ended up getting these poor behaviors and a poorly superfood and even a well at that point I'd even been training people as a personal trainer for about seven years but even then I actually developed like a worse relationship with exercise as well where I would like absolutely just Hammer my body in the gym to almost kind of like punish myself uh for the some of the decisions I was making on the weekend with food and stuff so everything that my clients have been through and that people listen to my podcast well most things have actually been through myself um so I can actually relate to a lot of people as well and I've managed to have my own transformation as well and just basically in my 20s I was always shape physically but I was you know I was partying for a big part of my 20s and just not taking care of myself uh internally for a period of time there so yeah I guess that's my transformation Journey has really helped me kind of uh communicate on on the podcast you know hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products that will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10 off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25 off total all right thanks guys and when did you come to more sort of animal-based sort of nutritional mindset yeah that was about two years ago so pretty much bang on two years ago uh in fact the book that was kind of the Tipping Point for me was uh the carnival code by Dr Paul saladino so I read that book I was already on the fence anyway because the thing was with me Anthony is I was getting gut issues I was getting these skin issues as well but it was mainly the gut that was we all know you know if you look at things like gut and sleep you know they're up there were the most important things really when it comes to your health you know true health does start in the gut and it was really frustrating for me at Nick's I was in great shape I was doing everything right so you know what I mean but my gut health was just not consistent you know what I mean I was getting digestive issues um you know my stool just wasn't consistent and essentially still getting gut pain and stuff like that at times as well not to mention my you know my girlfriend at the time I just felt sorry for her with you know what was going on there with the uh just say how it is putrid farts and stuff as well so I knew something wasn't right I knew something wasn't right but I was in denial I was like what is going on here and anyway long story short a good friend of mine who runs a really successful podcast here called the health sessions um he actually used to own 180 nutrition Stuart cook jumped on his podcast and I saw him and I was like what what have you been doing so you've been following one of my workout one of my training programs and he put on size all of a sudden I said what have you been doing man I know you've been following my training program but what's your secret and he was like I fixed my gut he said um he had I think he had poor saladino on his podcast which kind of planted the seeds and he was like I just basically cut out these plants which I think were irritating my gut and never looked back and I was like right okay now that's it now he said it he recommended the book and then so yeah two years two years just over nice and what are some of the the differences you've seen in that time oh incredible in terms of gut health mainly that's the biggest benefit for me is definitely just the gut health element and it's funny how when you're really in tune with your health and you'll know this better than anyone you realize when your guts off I get more agitated I just feel low my mood's lower and I'm just nowhere near at my best I don't recover as well from training everything is just off well my guts off so when I started fixing that I was just a weight off my shoulders but also it was just better mental Clarity it was more sustained energy as well because I was just having way less carbohydrates as well and just having more of a balance of you know proteins and fats and I keep going down the list you know libido was was good anyway but even that went up I noticed a difference there as well there was so many things but the big thing for me was definitely gut health and actually sleep as well sleep definitely improved because obviously I must have you know reduced quite a bit of information there um and even muscle as well so I was already in fantastic shape but what I noticed as well is I retain muscle much easier you know because the whole the whole this is actually in the midst of the whole lockdown thing I actually stopped training as an experiment I had equipment but I thought I'm just going to stop training gonna focus on mobility and I didn't I didn't lose any muscle or anything like that and previously I would have looked a bit different um when I wasn't on you know when I wasn't eating an animal-based diet so there's so many benefits man yeah I noticed that as well like even in the lockdown I you know I always I didn't have I unfortunately didn't have like a home gym at that time I had one in Seattle I had the whole awesome set up there I I built exactly what I wanted and I was like using that for like you know like a year or two before I came down to Australia and then as soon as you come down here I was here for one year and then bang locked down and I'm just thinking of this amazing gym setup I have at home and I can't use it and all the gym equipment you know I'm sure you you saw as well like it just became just thousands of dollars more expensive for just like basic equipment 100 that must have been brutal man that was like mental Warfare you can't get that release with the heavyweights you've got a lovely gym over there you can't get to it Savage so so frustrating and that's why I didn't work out and um you know but I was just eating you know how I would normally eat and just uh you know to satiation and but I stayed very lean it's a very lean and very muscular I mean I lost a bit of size but I stayed you know very defined and I probably went down to I think I think the lowest I got was about 93 kilos and which is pretty light for me you know I'm normally I'm normally uh around 105 to 110. and um and so that was pretty light for me but I still look very muscular and the people would always ask me is like how are you how are you working out like there's no gyms no gyms open do you have like a home gym or whatever I mean like I've I've done push-ups twice like that's in three months you know like that's it you know they're like no no no you can't do that now you obviously you're working out all the time I'm like I'm not like this is just this is all diet it's completely diet but you know to what you were saying it was crazy about how easy it was to put on muscle after that and I was I was so just like just biting chomping at the bit like as soon as that gate opened and the gyms opened up again like I was bang in there and I was like imagine going back to my old schedule you know I'm lifting at least four days a week I'm going you know and and maybe even five six seven days a week whatever I I have time for but at least four days a week I'm not I'm not compromising on that and and so I did I didn't I wasn't able to do like big three four hour sessions as I you know had done in the past but you know I would at least get you know an hour to an hour and a half in and I just without fail I'm just getting it done four days a week and I ended up putting on what was it like 13 kilos in five weeks you know just lean lean muscle mass you know so I went up to like went from like 92 93 kilos up to like 100 105. you know and it's five weeks you know and and no supplements no nothing it was just meat and hard work and when you look at red meat though wouldn't it it's crazy like it makes sense though because it's so complex it's still figuring out all the compounds and all the tens of thousands of compounds that you get in there and that balance of amino acids and fats but not to mention the lack of inflammation as well ends obviously your body responding so well because you had that novelty right as well so when you add all that compound effective and you know you're a healthy guy it makes sense though man you know and like no offense but it's not like you're 21 either mate to pack on that much muscle how high your test levels are though you know yeah and you you know that's the thing too you know I have I have um I've spoken to people I have patients that have had uh that have dramatic improvements in their hormonal health and health in general but you know talking specifically about testosterone in men people in their 60s and 70s increasing their testosterone by 30 40 percent in three months by just going on a carnivore diet and they feel better and they look better and they're performing better and they're putting on muscle in their 70s you know which is crazy to think about but they they can and they do uh one guy um that uh that I spoke to he's a he's a plays rugby on the U.S national team and he was telling me he's mostly you know he's meat based and he still has some you know some other things as well uh but the vast majority of what he eats is meat and very little of everything else even just doing that he he literally doubled his testosterone levels he's like this is crazy and now he's like he's just performing uh at a whole new level he was already on the national team and now he's just killing it uh even as compared to himself so it makes a huge huge difference massive division it's funny you say that about performance because I do Jiu Jitsu now and the way I eat just for the audience anyway I eat like animal-based so essentially I just eat meat and some fruits some days I'll just won't eat any fruit it'll just be you know Meats organ meats eggs those kind of that's pretty much it really in a nutshell and then a few other bits and balls bit of ghee oil you know what I mean like beef Tyler to cook my food in um but on in March I just did for the first time ever it was actually only in March I did the first month where I had like just literally strict Carnival um you know nothing else other than meat organ meat and the foods I just said then and eggs and I felt great but the thing is with me is like I just lose weight so I was absolutely shredded like I probably could have got on stage but the thing is even with performance I had this psychological barrier thinking oh you know with Jiu Jitsu you know and maybe I'll perform a bit better with carbs but I just took them away and I was totally fine I felt way better because I was the biggest benefit for me in March was my sleep I I track it using the aura ring and it was insane the best my sleep's ever been because there's something going on there yeah and then last month I bought cars back in and stuff like that because I was just losing so much weight and I had a comp last weekend um and I just didn't I didn't feel as good I know there's other factors going on there um but I just didn't I haven't been able to get that quality of sleep consistently again since so now I'm like trying to figure out what I can do to kind of you know like drop back down without just you know looking so drawn you know what I mean my girlfriend's like you're okay are you sure yeah honestly it's just Carnival I'm fine shredded look it's ripped yeah yeah well you know and then you know that too I mean it is it is easy to like under eat as well and um and sometimes you can you know but I mean but you you could be just naturally someone that your genetics want you to be ultra lean I mean there are people out there that just like when they eat naturally I mean some of these guys even when they're just eating Jack junk food they're still like three percent body fat you know and um you know I think uh uh Michael Vick was like that I saw an interview with like his college roommate um and this guy was just a specimen of an athlete and and just you know it just a physical specimen in general and he was saying that this guy was like we're just eating like McDonald's and junk food and it was like steroids to him he was just getting bigger and more jacked and more cut and more shredded he's like you know what the hell is going on and uh yeah it was just uh just something crazy so yeah you probably have those genetics whereas when you're you're giving your body that your body just wants that wants a leaner shredded structure like I get if I'm working out like if I'm if I'm just like right now I'll probably be 10 12 body fat doing nothing no exercise or anything like that just eating the way I am when I start exercising if I'm lifting weights regularly uh or even you know if I'm able to play rugby or something like that that that shreds down leans down to like six percent something like that as as I've checked with calipers and things like that so however accurate that is but that's that's sort of where my body wants to get to naturally whereas you know other people you know and so maybe if I wanted to get more shredded than that more lean than that I might have to Tinker around with things a little more um but you you know you sounds like you're just like naturally your body just wants you trying four percent body fat without having to do anything at all kind of complain no and that's 100 right and I know the answer as well I know I'm just gonna I know in my head's like Carnival is a way forward so I'm gonna experiment now because I'm just getting back into stream training I mean I only had two weeks off obviously stream training is my go-to but um because I had that Jitsu combo I was just doing Jujitsu but yeah just getting back into that now I'm following a program so I'm definitely gonna do that I'm gonna eat pretty much Carnival and then I'm gonna just have some more fruit here and there now just to see how I feel and then just to to kind of compare the difference from day to day you know what I mean but I kind of know the answer that I'm gonna just go straight Carnival I know I know deep down that's the answer well you know I think I think if you try it for a month right if you drink like 30 days just strict carnivore that you'll give yourself about it your body a chance to sort of really get the benefits of not having any carbs at all yes that you know Professor uh Tim Knox shows it can take you know a week or two or sometimes three weeks to get fully uh keto adapted to where you're really humming on you know producing glucose glycogen and ketones and also your body's ability to utilize those energy sources optimally and you have epigenetic effects that sort of have knock-on effects so that after a while you're just really humming when you're on a ketogenic diet you know which which you know just a meat and water diet is um you'll find that you know I I would be willing to bet that you'll find just like as I've found and I've found in other people that once you get to that stage your energy levels are going to be way higher than than even if you were eating carbs for a workout and things like that and you'll be able to consistently work out harder and harder and harder and longer and longer without out any sort of uh you know detrimental sort of energy effects you just feel better and better as you go and um I think that you know giving it that like 30 days just so you you know that you're keto adapted your fat adapted and so you can actually see like the full benefits of it and then maybe add in some fruit and see what it does that would give you a good uh contrast so you can you see what it's really doing to you yeah yeah because well that's why I did in March I did the 30 days and then I brought the foods back in and stuff and it you know it wasn't I didn't really know it's a drastic difference in any area really I noticed everything was pretty much the same other than the most important thing which is my sleep so my sleep hasn't quite been the same so I don't know what's going on there so obviously must be some sort of inflammatory thing or something going on there my body's like no no you know you're sleeping better you well better rested you're recovering better you know because everything levels up when you sleep better right your whole life levels up so yeah I think you've just sold it to me again now so I think now this month I need to give that out of the crack now I'll do another 30 days yeah and then just next time just kind of yeah tease things in bit slower probably rather than just kind of you know that's the only thing with carbon even like you sound a city but even just having fruit you start having more sugar and then it just becomes like a habit it's like you know I won't you don't need it you just want it you know as simple as that and then you trick yourself into yeah but I prefer no you don't bro you don't perform better stop lying to yourself yeah and you you can also do uh 30 days and see how you feel and just do another 30 days another 30 days and then just you know just throw the fruit in the bin and yeah exactly from there 100 100 yeah so when you're when you're coaching people are you doing um well walk us through the type of coachings that you do is is it just it's for people doing bodybuilding just trying to get their life on track in general uh what sort of coaching do you do so geometry is it's a combination of just general population and but a big chunk of my clients are kind of like ambitious people you know got a handful of really successful entrepreneurs or just like high performers in general in terms of like you know in their professional life in the corporate world so the kind of person that's already a quite a good level essentially with their training and stuff and they're just looking to get to the next level with their physique and with their habits and you know kind of dial in their behaviors and stuff like that with food and those kind of things and nutrition so yeah generally it's like a combination of General pop and those kind of people I talked about um and how I it's not bodybuilders um how I help people then is obviously everything's personalized to the individual in terms of how we help them but the first thing we look at I find myself helping people more uh well me and the team helping people more with the nutrition stuff because as you know yourself right it's uh it's actually being able to to change the behaviors and darling things in and essentially just eat more Whole Foods and you know obviously as you know with the animal-based stuff as well I'm always kind of promoting them eat the most nutrient dense foods because a lot of people again are kind of and this is another thing that I get as well which I wanted to bring up is like that conflict that you get sometimes with clients in terms of pushback from their partners and stuff like they're eating pretty much animal based uh Carnival race I don't like to go from one extreme to another though at me of course because some people come to me and they're eating too much processed food so the first it's obviously one step at a time is meeting them where they're at so they can make sustainable changes but they start a year more meat they start feeling better looking better performing better all the stuff we've talked about and then they'll get pushed back from their partner sometimes or someone close to them like oh you shouldn't be eating that much meat it's bad for you Etc then I have to have a conversation with them I have to show them research Etc which is interesting and yeah and also another client as well he reversed his diabetes he had two type 2 diabetes this has happened with a couple of clients reversed it and then he went to the doctors again he's 50 years old in the shape of his life ABS everything right went to the doctor and the doctor said you know your cholesterol levels are quite High um you should start eating plant-based essentially so then he came back to me and he was like so yeah that was another conversation but yeah so I really helped people um you know change behaviors change mindset and help just general people get from you know being in either average shape or essentially being overweight some people come to me they're overweight um not obese but overweight and they really want to lose weight and learn how to keep it off because you know most people come to me they've tried several times you know people who want to lose weight for example um they've tried so many times and you know over 85 to 90 percent of people gain all the weight back they're lost at some point in their life or six out of seven people so it's not actually weight loss that's the issue is is keeping the weight off so a lot of people have tried many different things and they've failed to actually get sustainable results so I'll teach them how to to do it the right way instead of doing it the fast way when it comes to weight loss that that's what I always say to people um but it comes back it comes down to the same fundamentals really when I'm helping people it's always the key principles really it's not kind of rocket science it's making sure they have an adequate protein make sure they're eating predominantly Whole Foods single ingredient Foods um and then making sure they're training appropriately as well training properly and training smart because a lot of people they're just not they're not training properly to maximize results because you know yourself the stuff we talked about when you lift weights properly you do stream training properly not just doing a bunch of random workouts like a proper program and combine that with good nutrition good sleep Etc um the results are absolutely insane because of what it does for developing your metabolism as well which is uh interesting because more research is coming out of this now but yeah so kind of went off on a bit of a tangent there but uh I get passionate about this stuff so no it's great man yeah it's um I always get uh I always have to like shake my head a little when when someone like your client comes in in his 50s you know six-pack great shape I I bet you all of his blood markers and all of his uh lab tests were perfect and then the cholesterol is just a little bit a little bit funny according to that doctor and instantly all the things that you've done to get all these objective benefits stop doing it immediately obviously that's bad for you um and because we've just been told that that meat's bad for you have to go plant-based that's more healthy but what did you just see you just saw this person who was less healthy now become very healthy uh better shape physically mentally and on objective blood tests and you're saying that the thing that he's doing is going to kill him based on what exactly based on just this theory that meat's bad for you and the plants are good for you well you're seeing the exact opposite so it doesn't matter how brilliant your theory is and it doesn't matter how smart you are if it doesn't agree with experiment it's wrong and so you know as as we sort of set off off camera you know a theory is only as good as as what it's able to predict and and his theory was that meat's going to make you sick it's going to harm you in certain ways and yet it didn't it did the exact opposite and it showed that in fact your objective markers objective markers were improved across the board and so what does that mean that means that theory is wrong and so obviously not all doctors understand the you know the con with cholesterol so I I don't fault them for that you know it's just something that they need to need to learn and they need to be they need to come across and then be educated about but you know the rest of it is a bit ridiculous you know like all their all their objective Health markers have improved in every in every other way and physically they're doing a lot better and yet you're telling them to stop doing the things that got them there that makes no sense to me it makes no sense and I communicate it almost similar to what you said then you know if one mocker is out you know one marker is not perfect but all those other markers have improved right and not to mention like metabolic Health it's like you know they didn't once have a chat to them about that or have a chat about at least the fact that you've lost a significant amount of body weight from your midsection which is as we were just talking about Affair around the internal organs which is essentially the worst place to carry visceral body fat and now you're at 50 years old as well you're in the shape of your life better shape than your room when you were 30 years old he said that himself and it's like man you've literally reversed not to mention you've actually you know reversed your your type 2 diabetes in terms of all the blood markers there and yeah here we are having this having this conversation you know it's a tough one sometimes man you know yeah well absolutely and and that's the thing that it was a saying in medicine that you know sometimes we forget is that you treat patients not blood tests right so like look at the patient in front of you they're healthy as hell and they're doing better on every in every way you can imagine and so you have this one aberrant blood test it's like is that is that really something you need to focus on maybe sometimes but you need to take in the context of of the actual patient that you're treating and you know you make a very good point about the metabolic health because that is a much larger risk factor for heart disease and any sort of illness and heart disease in particular then then even like small dense lipoproteins like a small dense LDL uh is you know and that's the damaged one that's only being damaged from carbohydrate sugar um alcohol potentially seed oils and so you know that wouldn't exist you just have a normal large buoyant LDL that are good for you that you make that are important and necessary for life if you're not eating that sort of crap and so there are a number of different studies and test and studies for decades that you know and rcts and things like that that show that actually reducing LDL cholesterol actually can make things worse or at least not improve anything and even in I think there's a pure study where they found uh even a very small ink increased Association and again Association is not called you know correlation does not beget causation right um but there are a lot of studies that show no correlation at all and if you show no correlation well that means there's no causation right you have to have a correlation to have something called something else you have a very strong correlation and so they had even in those days it was a very very weak correlation between overall high LDL and heart disease and a lot of other studies so no correlation but then that small dense LDL that was like so like LDL in general is like something like 1.3 times increased risk in that study and then small dense LDL was like 1.7 okay but metabolic disease was six times more likely if you had metabolic it's easier six times more likely to get heart disease and if you had type 2 diabetes you were 10 times more likely to get heart disease and smoking was a similar amount so you know why are we focusing on that you should focus on your metabolic Health right and the small dense LDL will go down as well when you get you when you improve your metabolic health so you get down to these you know maybe a 1.3 X well you've got rid of 10x you got rid of 6X you've got rid of 1.7 x so how is that not an objective Improvement right and there's a ton of studies that show there's no core relation at all even with just LDL in general you know there's a there's a study with 140 well it's actually two studies with about 140 000 people in America who had heart attacks and they looked at them and they found that half of them had high cholesterol half of them had normal or low cholesterol exactly dead even there was no correlation one way or the other it was just completely unrelated right and what they found as well one of the studies they followed them up two years later and of course everyone was saying you've got to get your cholesterol down got to get your cholesterol down and so after two years the people that had gone from higher cholesterol to low cholesterol or normal cholesterol or maintain low cholesterol or twice as likely to have died in that intervening and in that two-year period and so there was some sort of protect it appears that there's some sort of protective association with higher LDL cholesterol in that in that category so you know this is not cut and dry you know cholesterol is is bad and it's the worst thing ever if it is something like small dense LDL it has a stronger association with it it's still not close to what metabolic disease is and type 2 diabetes is smoking is and also you don't get you get this small dense LDL from having metabolics and from the same things that give you metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes as well so I think that that um you know doctors you know just forgetting that or just not knowing that I think I mean you're you're setting yourself up to give the wrong advice and to harm your patients makes makes tools hingement it's it's interesting how complicated it all is though as well and how simple it can be and if you're someone like myself or Anthony when you've kind of optimized your health and you've really paid attention to all these things and you're in you know fantastic shape physically but that's just the byproduct of how you live in and how you treat in your body and it's really quite simple when you strip everything back I think people get overwhelmed and you know conflicted because there's so much conflicted information online and everything else and it really is quite simple you know if you if you stay hydrated if you eat predominantly real foods if you're eating animal based or carnivore as well you know for most people that's going to work a treat right as we just said it's it's it's actually impossible to by the way this was tried and tested because my girlfriend did it as well in March he had strict carnivore and she was just like dropping weight just getting leaner and leaner and leaner just as a side effects you're trying to eat more and more she was having like so many of these like grass-fed grass finish beef patties she was loving it she would love in the enjoying the food not getting bored getting leaner and leaner and leaner you know non-intentionally man she built muscle as well actually she's been training for long time but all those things are just like a side effect of essentially you taking care of yourself hydrating getting good sleep and focusing on the things which are they're not really sexy you know what I mean it's just like they sticking to those fundamental things and essentially just being consistent you know and integrating that into into the way you live right and and just slowly implementing these habits and everything seems to level up and when you start and you mention as well as how you feel right you notice how you feel your body will tell you your body's very smart you know when you feel better you notice you've got more sustained energy you wake up feeling sharper in the mornings you know you're not getting as many Cravings naturally your body starts looking better when you look in the mirror because that's just a reflection of your Habits Like I said and it doesn't have to be so complicated you know what I mean it's like if people would just and not to mention as we talk about you know stream training should be the Cornerstone of of anyone's of anyone's you know regime when it comes to getting in shape strength training needs to be number one you know what I mean and when it comes to heart health as well obviously research shows now strength training is actually more beneficial for the heart than than cardio you know as well so we can go down the list with tram shaming but the other kind of fundamentals right it's not that complicated really is it yeah and and uh you know to your point like that was you know something that I've spoken to with Dr Sean Amara who's sort of an expert in visceral fat and and he was saying the best way to get rid of visceral fat which you know is is an actual driver for disease um is uh carnivore diet and uh you know uh strength training and like like high intensity training so like your weights and like Sprints and things like that that just like melts that stuff away you can actually have people that like run marathons and actually they're they're very skinny on the outside but they actually have more uh uh visceral fat so call them tofi so it's thin on the outside fat on the inside and so uh and that's what some of these guys get and so you know that sort of um you know endurance training uh you know that can actually do the opposite you can raise your cortisol you can just press testosterone and growth hormone and and you can actually build visceral fat which is a bit crazy whereas if you do high intensity training where you're just you're just trying to kill yourself that uh that uh seems to do the opposite and um and can suppress cortisol and raise testosterone and growth hormone uh you know within within reason obviously and and get rid of that that visceral fat um I was just going to ask as well you know how how have you found getting your clients onto like a more meat-based diet like you said you have to meet them where they are and sort of gradually bring them in but you have a number of clients that are that are on a uh just straight meat based diet now so yeah I do have a few clients that pretty much there's only a handful that eat like straight meat um because again because of the Journey of kind of like implementation and making changes they can stick to but to be honest I would say about you know 70 80 of my clients are eating you know the majority of their food is coming from from meat and animal-based Foods you know probably about 80 90 in general 70 to 80 probably so yeah the the bulk of them are are eaten primarily you know primarily meat essentially um and and getting great results really so we'll give you an example I just want to give you an example on that I had a woman come to me at the end of January and she had just actually already started eating carnivore for about two months and she'd had issues um long story short she took one she made a mistake and said well took one of the vaccines basically and she had a she had major issues and stuff like that and obviously went into panic and stuff like that she went keto initially and then she went Carnival for like two months and she found me on like a podcast or whatever anyway long story short she's been eating you know pretty much trick Carnival for like 90 days she just got to the 90th day now she did have a bit of fruit even there but other than that it was pretty much strict Carnival and she this is the interesting thing people get so caught up with the number on the scales as well right and basically her weight she dropped two pounds in 90 days that's all she dropped two pounds but she built so much muscle we didn't track the exact amount of muscle she built but it was just so significant in photos but she went from she dropped three dress sizes right so she went from a size 10 to a size four she dropped 30 inches in total of her body within he did 30 inches right she wasn't like she was huge to start with you know she was a bit overweight but so anyway it goes to show that and that was pretty much Carnival and the results were so much better or more significant with her because of that because she already had that Foundation you know what I mean with eating that way played such a big role and we were just talking about packing on muscle and who her number one goal she's got unfortunately she's got like a disabled son was cerebral palsy her number one goal was to get strong enough to teach you about a walk again he's like eight years old yeah man and literally within the first month we did like a strength training phase and she can now she said he felt as large a feather he weighs over 50 pounds and his wheelchair weighs like 70 pounds and she was like carrying or hearing a partner carrying the wheelchair and him into the into the van and stuff she shared with ease he felt like a feather you know teaching him to walk again all those kind of things so that she had a real strong white so obviously that that like pushed her to get better results but yeah crazy man it just goes to show like with the body how it works on metabolism people always think you know I'm building muscle or I've got to lose fat I've got to do one other two now it does depend on where you're at and how much of a raise of wild fat you've got to lose but in her case obviously two pounds she dropped on the skills but you know drop three dress sizes and build a significant amount of muscle um so yeah so just goes to show that the clients that do really eat that way uh get way better results you know what I mean but I'm still working on it as a working program in in progress you know what I mean well you're doing God's work and so thanks man so everyone's going to be improving yeah the way I did it one more thing so we did a 30-day Whole Food Challenge in April so that was kind of my subtle way of like yeah 30-day Whole Food Challenge all right meet let's go so people just it was great last month was a fantastic month for that it started converting them over and they started realizing when they were having like me because well I don't know why it's foreign to so many people to like not have meat for breakfast you know what I mean it's like because we've been programmed I don't know why we've been programmed to eat cereals and white bread and stuff from a young age but when they started having like meat for breakfast and just having I said look have what you would normally have for dinner for breakfast and let me know how you feel and bang everything changes when you do something simple like that you know yeah yeah it does simple stuff yeah and um yeah it was amazing amazing results that that woman's had and really wonderful that she can you know now help her son more and you know maybe even give you know he's probably going to be eating similar things to what she's eating and probably benefiting from the you know I don't think that's going to reverse cerebral palsy but it can at least optimize where he's at which so hopefully hopefully it does um that is something that that I do see as well some people get very focused on the scale and they get worried that they're not losing weight um but from the salesman you you've had patience with that as well or clients with that as well but what you're seeing is you're a drastic change in body composition as opposed to just their stalling on their weight loss is that right it's a great it's a great question I think this is really important to communicate to the audience and this happens time and time again with clients like I said you especially people who come to me and they've been well Karissa is a good example right she came to me and she lost weight and gained it back so many times and when she came to me it's like right we're going to increase your calories so a lot of people that come to me we're slowly increasing instead of taking my method for the most part is instead of taking away all the foods that are making you overeat straight away what we're going to do is we're going to add in more meat essentially right we're going to add in more red most people love eating red meat anyway and a lot of people still again they can Afflicted in terms of you know should I be in this much red meat and then obviously I come in and just tell them that actually it's fine you know quality does matter Etc and they start adding in these foods and essentially just adding in Foods right so instead of taking away which is something that most people struggled for a long time to restrict calories so if you're going to take that same approach again I mean it's not going to work it's like the definition of insanity right like the Albert Einstein code so I come in add more foods and what happens is um and add you know certain facets again from meat as well sometimes you know the person might be in a lot of processed foods I will I'll swap those foods for like fruit like avocado which is like 80 fat or whatever as well which tends to keep more satiated anyway um and then what they'll do is they'll start actually simultaneously losing fat and build a muscle so like let's just say on average this doesn't happen forever and it really depends on how much fat they've got to lose but this is what happens for the average person is for about two to three months they'll actually build muscle and lose fat simultaneously so they might build a couple of pounds of muscle in a month if they're lucky and then drop a couple of pounds of fat or a pound or two of muscle and and they'll have that it doesn't happen at the same time obviously you're either building or your body's uh you know breaking down breaking down tissue but simultaneously they'll build fasten fat and lose muscle and they notice with their clothes they drop a couple of sizes in their clothes and I've had some people there wait goes up so the weight's gone up by probably about one two you know one or two kilos let's say in 90 days but they've dropped like two to three sizes in their jeans or whatever you know what I mean so it you know it's not all about just that number on the scales in fact that can be a massive problem which is why you've got to you know if your goal is to improve the way your body looks you've got to use other metrics you know body stats you know take photos do measurements those kind of things you know yeah no I I totally agree and I think I think photos are a very powerful tool as well because sometimes it's hard to see what's happening to your own body and then all of a sudden you see someone else that you haven't seen in a while and go oh my God you look great you have you lost weight sort of thing like well I don't know did I I actually haven't I haven't lost any weights you know and but they but obviously they're they're making these big visual changes uh I did that you know when I first got on this again six years ago or so and that's what I did I took pictures sort of every month and I was just blown away at the difference uh you know each time I was just like Jesus like I was this that gross and Pudgy and like now I'm like lean and muscular and then like the next month I'm like I can't believe I thought that I was lean and muscular that that was gross like now I'm lean now I must go and the next month I thought the same thing because it was like such a dramatic difference all the time but I stayed the same way the whole time and you know I've never been you know focused on my weight I've never really cared about my weight you know I've cared about my my fitness and my my physique my my ability to perform as an athlete I've never really worried about how much I weighed unless I was like not weighing enough and I'm like okay crap I need to eat more I need to work out more whatever because I'm I would lose I could sometimes lose like 30 40 pounds in a season because I was just training so hard I just I just couldn't keep muscle on and I was like losing muscle mass because I wasn't able to like you know eat enough and all these sorts of things so that was that was my problem and um so I thankfully didn't didn't get concerned about that but it's obviously a concern for so many people do you have people that are just like so focused on that number that it's hard to sort of basically relate to them that that they're actually getting objective changes like amazing changes absolutely yeah a few clients mainly female clients I've you know I've just basically banned them from weighing themselves get the weighing scale is out of sight you know put them in the Loft they'll just Chuck them away because it's one metric out of so many things and like you just said then on your duty you completely it's a you know re you know Recon right body recom your whole body composition has changed your weight stayed the same but you look completely different you've had a transformation right so you can actually your number it's actually a good thing most of the time is actually a good thing all the time actually depending on where they're at that their weight stays the same so I know if their wage dropping if they drop by a pound or two is cool um or if it goes up by a pound or two that's totally fine but when it starts coming down that means you kind of going the wrong way you're going the same way that you went before right you actually metabolism is slowing down we want to speed down metabolism up you know so yeah to answer your question though 100 that can be a massive problem for some people just getting attached to that number on the scales and I think that's a that's one of the main a big reason why people fail with sustainable weight loss as well because they they weigh themselves very often and then you know their weight might go up one week or it might stay the same for two three weeks and by the way like we just said you can still lose fat and your weight not change much and they get they get demotivated disheartened and then you know they tend to food for example to make themselves feel better and that's actually a common showing in research you know to be a common problem but yeah there's a handful of clients where I just ban them from weighing themselves it's not allowed and some clients even with photos man even with photos just very infrequent it's like more very odd because you know certain people have like body image issues and stuff like that so it's like all the stuff you put like if you us on the other stuff and that's always my message I try and get my clients to focus on all the other metrics like the strength performance in the gym we track everything diligently to make sure you know they're actually overloading their body and we'll set targets with strength whether that be squats pull-ups whatever that could be or Mobility or whatever and then we'll just have them focus on you know getting good quality sleep you know paying attention to like gut health and stuff you know and just paying attention to how's your energy when you've eaten certain foods or you know and when you start connect you have to connect a dots there's no short way to do it you know yourself I know you know it doesn't happen overnight you've got to connect the dots you know you've got to have that awareness and really focus on health and performance first I think the body just like I said earlier that just is the byproduct really of uh of your of your health you know yeah right I totally agree I think the main thing is is health health and performance exactly you know especially if you're an athlete or you're trying to you know do you know get something done in the gym but just how you feel and your actual your objective Health markers you're you're reversing uh uh fatty liver disease you're reversing diabetes you're coming off medications you stop having autoimmune issues uh those are the main issues I mean that that's what really matters and you know I don't have autoimmune issues I don't have any major illnesses but I just felt so much better doing this that I I knew that object I knew conceptually that this was this was the right thing to do just from our biology and then when I tried it I was like I've never felt this good in my entire life except for those five years that I was doing this in my early 20s and so you know I didn't I didn't worry about anything else because I just felt amazing and my you know I did see objective improvements you know in my physique as well and my performance and that was all I really cared about I just I didn't even care about how I looked I cared about you know being able to play rugby and feeling great all the time that that's what was important to me and I think that's and that's what I try to relate to other people as well that you can get caught up on the scale you can get caught up on all these other you know more superficial markers that may not actually be an indicator of your health and and your improvements and and get sidetracked and then not you know see the full benefits of this long term and so yeah I totally agree that focusing on air health and performances is absolutely uh number one of importance definitely definitely and those behaviors like I talked about before right when I used to overeat on the weekends and everything else you know and the All or Nothing mentality is a common thing for most people and when you can overcome that and you can kind of get to a point where you don't feel restricted and that's another good thing as well about you know the carnival or animal base wherever you want to call it you know it's you just don't feel restricted you know what I mean because it's almost like your body's telling you right we're getting the nourishment that we need and we're not hungry you know and it just I am always wary around people who don't like eating beef I don't know about you I'm wary I'm like there's no offense to anyone but I'm like Thief never gets boring you know what I'm saying never yeah it almost feels like how can I eat like it's almost like how can I I mean we're fortunate enough to be able to afford it and everything else which is fantastic it's almost like wow how can this be happening I'm eating these foods and I'm looking like this I'm enjoying these Foods as well thoroughly it's like it's a win-win you know yeah 100 and I I I've never I've never not enjoyed a steak and you know people say oh don't you get bored of that I was just like well first of all you know this cow does a cow get sick of grass or they get bored of grass does the lion get sick of gazelle and so it's like oh my God like you know gazelle again you know can we not just have like a like a like a you know fresh countries you know fresh salad or something like no that's what they want every time and you know because that's that's what they're hungry for and then it tastes better when you're hungry and so if you're not hungry yeah it's not going to taste good so don't eat but we're so used to eating all the time we're conditioned to eat multiple times a day and they're oh now you eat three times a day oh now you have to eat six times a day now you have to eat and you know all these no absolutely not and you know I don't think that those or helpful to anyone anyway but those those recommendations and and you have to wonder who's paying for them you know because there's a lot of lobbying efforts to affect the these guidelines and um and that's why people that say like oh you should always follow the guideline there was this guy I swear to God um I saw him on YouTube or sorry on on Instagram someone mentioned him um he is somehow a doctor and he was saying that I was talking about like different uh you know doctors talking about how you can you know reverse diabetes and and really improve your metabolic health and all these sorts of things with uh like a ketogenic diet which is clinically proven you know that's a fact and uh and you're saying well this goes against God whenever you see someone go against the guidelines and against the consensus recommendations like you know that they're just completely wrong um what you know I mean the consensus was the Earth was flat at one point you know so it was just like what the hell are you talking about and the guidelines change every five years right so what is it's just that's that is the the God's honest truth every time but it changes every time so each time it's 100 correct or or are things being influenced by different factors but also by new and available evidence coming out new studies coming out showing that clinically you can reverse Type 2 Diabetes by putting someone on a ketogenic diet which you can and has been clinically proven and so this guy was saying that in the hierarchy of evidence it goes consensus statements guidelines and then randomized control trials meta-analyzes was like are you out of your mind you know like the the opinions of people is better than objective evidence and I'm sorry no that's that's not how that works and um apparently this guy doesn't know how guidelines are set up you know it's set up by bureaucrats who who vote you know it's not by the scientists it's not by the top doctors and researchers who we may have their own biases um they those doctors and scientists submit their recommendations based on the science and submit different studies to support their their Viewpoint and then the bureaucrats go behind the closed door and you know are influenced in certain ways or not and then they come up and say these are the guidelines it's not actually done by by the scientific Community it's done by bureaucrats and so if you follow guideline medicine you are following bureaucrats who are not following scientific knowledge and research you're not following the recommendations of the top doctors and researchers you're following bureaucrats who may or may not have influences uh you know from the different industries that they are supposed to be protecting us from so I think that you always follow the evidence not not the guidelines and if you if you have to I mean even evidence-based medicine I heard one doctor say if you follow evidence-based medicine you'll always be two years behind The Cutting Edge right because evidence-based medicine is something that has been published takes years to put out a study and get this published and put this out so this is this is work that someone's done years ago that was The Cutting Edge and now it's been published several years later so if you want to be on The Cutting Edge finding the best thing that you can do for people you know you need to sort of go off track for a little bit the guidelines are there for a reason they're there as a guideline to keep you sort of like hey if you don't if you don't know any better this this should you know at least keep you on track and not do anything major blunders but if you have better information you have more you know even evidence-based medicine you know you should you should use that and so if you're if you're practicing evidence-based medicine you're gonna be two years behind Cutting Edge but if you're practicing guideline Med uh medicine you're 15 years behind a Cutting Edge you're probably probably 10 or 15 years behind the evidence-based medicine in fact because it can take a long time to just get the actual evidence into the guidelines because it's a bureaucratic process um and you know with you it's worth questioning everything anyway right especially when it comes to this stuff because you look at the current state of affairs we're fatter and sicker than we've ever been right as humans and and it's only getting worse and worse you know what I mean and you look at like the processed foods and you look at where people are at and you know I just see it in behaviors with all the people I've coached and even myself like I said you know with the processed foods you know I was at Domino's and Ben and Jerry's guy you know on the weekend and just overeat you know those Foods most foods that you see which come out of a packet they're designed to make us overeats you know they're designed to make us overeat so it's like it's not like those Foods directly you know are going to make you no those foods make you overeat they're not gonna make they only make you gain weight because they they're designed not for health a lot of those foods to make you overeat and I think it's worth questioning things when you look at you know where we're at on Obesity and people being overweight it's just getting worse and worse you know what I mean so you've got to kind of read in between the lines and it does sometimes require just a little bit of critical thinking and just to take a step back and go okay and just when you look at people who are in shape as well I think it's it's quite don't get me wrong there's some people who are in shape you well this didn't give me wrong that can be a problem as well but at least when it's someone like you know you or me when we're actually in shape it's like at least just go okay so what they're doing is doing something you know what I'm saying because he's got to be neat in this way living this way for x amount of time uh they're performing well they feel well you know they look good so and they've actually they actually know what they're talking about whatever it's like yeah you've got to just read in between the lines sometimes haven't you yeah yeah absolutely and um yeah you're right I mean there's some people that that you know are in good shape and probably didn't get there their best way and you know or even even they're in good shape and they're doing things that that are objectively better than the average person but the average person is pretty sick the average person is is you know 70 of Americans are either overweight or obese and that's not even the highest number I think we're like 20th uh in that you know so there are other places that are worse and everyone else is close behind and something like 90 91 of Americans have at least one metabolic issue meta one metabolic disease so that's that's not a great marker like oh well I'm I'm in the mix I'm average no obviously you don't want that whatever we're doing on average uh in Western Society actually around the world in non-western cultures as well they're they're actually plagued with this uh sometimes even more than Western countries and that because they're getting infiltrated with these processed foods and sugars and things like that and you know when I was in Bangladesh I was in refugee camps there and there were packets of of uh you know potato chips and gummy bears and things like that in the middle of the Jungle right and they're like just this is the candy and I can just bag and that's what people were eating you know dirt poor most people didn't even have shoes and and yet they were buying these like you know fun size bags of Ruffles potato chips you know nothing against Ruffles but that's just the brand that I saw more often and they didn't have any garbage disposal they didn't have any waste disposal um you know or anything like that so they would just throw this plastic on the side of the of the of the Street and they'd sweep it up into a big pile and burn it and just be this black plastic smoke coming off of it and you know you're in the middle of the Jungle and these guys are still eating junk food you know and uh they probably can't afford real food and they're spending their money what they have on this junk food so even like you know diabetes rates metabolic syndrome in uh you know India and and uh you know very impoverished areas around the world you know they're going up there's some of the some of the the um you know metabolic issues and metabolic diseases are actually some of the most prevalent in these in these areas so it's a huge huge problem around the world and so some people can be just by doing Whole Foods not even meat base I mean there's people who do plant-based and it's it's better than that you know and so you know you have to sort of look at that and go yes okay that's that's okay what this person looks like he's in good shape that's great but then you know there's you and I saying well meat base is the best there's other people saying well plant-based is the best and they might be in good shape too and they might like be you know trim and fit and feel good as well it's it's always compared to what as compared to a standard processed diet but then you have a lot of people that are plant-based and then go meat based whole food and they get even more improvements so you talk to so many people that they're just like they they just come alive and they have so much more energy and more uh you know they just have better health and like all these different you know brain fog and all these other sorts of things just sort of go away so you know even even then just looking at someone saying what would this person looks like they're in shape but are they are they as healthy as they could be you know they're healthier than other people but are they as healthy as they could be and I think that's where you have to sort of get into the into the weeds a bit on on what's best for humans definitely and it just comes down to well I always talk about singling medium Foods right like it just said them beef eggs and avocado berries banana as you say those if you go if you're eating processed foods they're designed to make you overeat so if it's got a long ingredient list on it like most of those foods have which are just designed to be highly palatable they're literally engineered to make us eat the [ __ ] out of them essentially right that's the way they've been engineered um single ingredient Foods basically you know it's uh very hard to overeat when you have a single ingredient food you know yeah there's actually there's actually a study done where they found that 500 calories more a day essentially did this study on two groups and it was like a cross study so they crossed the group over to make sure there was too much variance from from each person and what they found is on average they over ate by like 508 calories a day when they had unlimited access to processed foods versus unlimited access to single ingredient Foods they overeat by like it was exactly 508 calories a day to realize what that adds up to us like you know three and a half thousand calories a week it's like give or take around about a pound of fat a week or something like that you would gain you know what I mean so if you look at that long term even over the space of a year and I think the average person does gain like five or six pounds a year or something like that so it kind of makes sense to know there's research on that now you know so yeah and pretty it's pretty straightforward and when you talk about it but it's like like we all said the behaviors those foods are kind of like they are essentially addictive you know that's the bottom line they are actually designed to get you hooked on them right so it's almost unfair it's almost like not fair when you talk about it it's like how how is that yeah well and when it comes down to it I mean these Foods didn't exist they didn't exist 50 years ago 100 years ago 200 years ago someone didn't even exist last year right so you know if we're if we're going to talk about optimal you know how are you going to say that and what we're what we're biologically designed to eat like all animals we have we're biologically designed to eat something so whatever that is you know I would argue that it's just me but it is something we are biologically designed to eat something and so whatever we're designed to eat it certainly wasn't something that didn't exist last year right because it didn't exist right so you know the dawn of humanity that's what we were eating that's what was something that was optimal for us and so if something didn't exist back then obviously it's not something that we're designed for plain and simple 100 makes total sense absolutely well great well Martin thank you so much uh for coming on how do people get a hold of you what how do you uh is it is an online coaching business or how do people get in touch with you and and uh and and uh see seek out your services yeah yeah so the best way to find me I guess is going to be on Instagram so at Martin Silva Fitness uh silver is Silva so mod and solo Fitness and yeah you can reach out to me there's like a link in my bio on there where I've got you know my email address as well on there but the best way is I guess just to drop me a DM on Instagram is probably the best way um yeah and like I said my email address is on there the coaching inquiry form is on on my the link in my bio on Instagram as well and yeah just my podcast as well I'd urge people to check out the podcast I've had some great guests on there there's some great content on there and optimize your body that's available on all platforms really and yeah I guess that's kind of the best the best place to find me I would say is just uh head over to Instagram I'm also on Tick Tock now you know I mean I don't know about you me but I've just I just bit the bullet and got on there and I'm like haha really it's horrific man it's a cesspool at Marvin silver Fitness anyway if you really want to see one of them you wouldn't want to see me dancing with purple hair on it nobody jokes that's bad you know I mean there are people on there and so like I yeah I sort of post like little reels and clips and things like that same thing but um I always feel dirty for having done it it's like the processed food of social media isn't it exactly is exactly right it's just like the worst of the worst we just degenerated so far and it's just like and there it is it's just like the perfect storm of of of um decadence you know it's just like you just don't need it yeah 100 cool awesome well I put all that I'll link for that in the description where people can find that and uh and yeah I encourage people to check it out you know he's got his uh he's got a great Instagram page he's got a lot of uh you know before and after uh pictures of the different sources clients that he's had and you know showing Amazing results as well and so you can you can see in real you know in real world examples uh just how beneficial this is for people and so yeah so encourage everyone to to go down there and check it out uh Martin thank you so much for coming on it's been a pleasure and uh hopefully we can do it again sometime thanks for having me on Anthony mate really appreciate it no problem thanks hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and 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