This panel discussion features Dr. Anthony Chaffee alongside Dr. Baker and Dr. Kiltz examining the controversial sugar diet trend that has recently gained popularity. The experts dissect why this approach - which involves eating predominantly sugar and candy while restricting protein - can cause short-term weight loss through protein malnutrition and FGF-21 hormone activation, the same mechanism seen in kwashiorkor. They explain how this creates a starvation response that mobilizes fat stores but comes with dangerous consequences.
The discussion reveals why the carnivore diet with fatty meat remains the optimal human nutrition approach, providing essential nutrients while avoiding the blood sugar spikes, glycation damage, and metabolic disruption caused by high sugar intake. The episode also features a preview of the upcoming documentary "Animal" and addresses whether honey qualifies as carnivore (the unanimous answer: no, as it's concentrated sugar and bee secretion, not animal tissue).
Key Takeaways
- The sugar diet works through protein restriction that triggers FGF-21 hormone release, creating a starvation response similar to kwashiorkor - effective for short-term weight loss but unsustainable and potentially dangerous
- Eating predominantly sugar and candy massively elevates blood glucose and insulin, causing glycation damage, inflammation, and the same organ damage seen in type 2 diabetes including potential blindness and amputations
- Fatty meat provides all essential nutrients including fat-soluble vitamins and minerals while being anti-inflammatory, unlike sugar which provides no essential nutrients and actively harms health
- Honey is not carnivore-appropriate as it's concentrated sugar and bee vomit rather than animal tissue, despite coming from an animal source
- Sugar Diet Craze Analysis - Why High Sugar Diets Are Dangerous
- Protein Restriction and FGF-21 - The Science Behind Sugar Diet Weight Loss
- Blood Sugar Spikes and Diabetic Complications from Sugar Diets
- Honey Debate - Is Honey Carnivore Compatible?
- Animal Documentary Preview - Historical Evidence for Meat-Based Diets
This is an auto-generated transcript from YouTube and may contain errors or inaccuracies.
[Music] What's up with the new sugar diet craze? And I actually made a video on this recently and and and several people tried to crucify me online, but I'm still with us. So, obviously, they didn't have their intended effect. Uh, Dr. Kilts, what's up with this sugar diet? Do you recommend it? What's up? Well, there's only one diet to recommend and that's fatty meat carnivore and and any of these fad fad diets. I mean, these are really the fat diets. The species specific diet, proper human diet is simply carnivore. And when we say carnivore, it's fatty meat that is really such a critical thing. And ultimately, fat contains every mineral vitamin building block for your body and it's anti-inflammatory. We know about about proteinparing low-fat diets which u I'm not a fan of personally. You might be able to do it in a short term to low-fat diet but uh protein poisoning is real. And my sense is is that most people eating a fruit, fiber, vegetable, seeds, nuts, chicken, fish, and turkey which are all lowfat diets. And most people overcook their meat. The fat's gone. And if you look at ponderers cats that essentially cooked meat may not be good for any of us and that may be part of the problem on carnivore but um you know I don't you know sugar diet I just stay away from all that stuff personally. We know species specific proper human diet. It's fatty meat and insulin is not the cause of disease. It's a lowfat plant-based diet. That's really simply it. Insulin's job is to make fat in the liver. If it doesn't do that, you're dead. And and insulin goes up when your sugar amino acids go up. It's supposed to do that. So, I stick to the information I learned from Dr. Baker, Dr. uh Barry, Dr. Chaffy, and so many others in this community that really are just speaking the truth, which we're lions, not sheep. Now, everybody uh that's watching this, later in this video, we're going to have a special surprise for you. We got we have the director of the new documentary called Animal. And we've got a I think a twominute clip directly from the documentary that we're going to show you guys in in a few minutes. So, stick with us. And if you know anybody who's carnivore curious, send them a link to this video. Dr. Chad, Dr. Baker, a mutual friend of ours is who made the video about this sugar diet. Uh, I really, really want your honest comments about this sugar diet craze. Yeah, I actually have got a nice video coming out where I did quote unquote the sugar diet, but I did it without sugar. And I'll explain why. So, um, you guys remember what quashiiorore is? So, that is a protein mal protein malnutrition state. We see it when these starving kids in Africa with this, you know, they look like skeletons with bloated bellies. Those kids get enough calories. They get a pure carbohydrate diet with no protein and they do and they do indeed lose weight. So when our body senses that we are low in methionine, we are low in leucine. We are low in branch chains amino acids, we we secrete this substance, this hormone called FGF-21, fibroc factor 21. And when that occurs, we do, you know, mobilize fat and glycogen and we we because we because our body literally thinks we're starving to death. And why kids when they're in that situation get so skinny is because kids are in this rapid growth phase. Adults, what happens to adults is they they get the typical futarian type of situation over the long term. Right? Now, for a short-term hack, like anything else, yes, you can eat pure energy and drop your protein down to next to nothing and you will lose weight. However, that's not sustainable, right? And you know, there is such thing as FGF um um resistance where people if they do this chronically then they become resistant to this. And so to that point, I did a little experiment where I ate nothing but fat, no protein for 3 days and I dropped 8 pounds. Right? So sugar diet without the sugar, it's basically a protein restriction diet. That is not a good solution long term. Uh we we all know the dangers of not eating enough protein. Now, it doesn't have to be super high protein, but when you get your protein low enough, um, you will tend to lose weight. Uh, but like I said, and you know, honestly, if you stick a sugar diet on somebody who's a type 1 diabetic, a type two diabetic, who's poorly controlled, a type two diabetic is on insulin resistant, you're probably asking for DKA. Uh, these people are going to see their blood glucose go to 300, 400, 500. They're going to end up in the ER uh, in DKA potentially. So, I mean, this is not something you can just willy-nilly play around with. You know, when Kempner was doing his rice diet back in the 1940s and 50s in Germany, all of his patients were impatients. They were inatient under strict examin, you know, strict medical supervision, possibly for that very, very, very well-known reason, although they didn't quite have the understanding what was going on, but they knew they could potentially harm some people. Um, you know, I think that some people will lose weight doing a sugar diet. Um, as you guys know, sugar for a lot of people is an absolute disaster. joint pain, inflammation, addiction, brain fog, you know, hypoglycemia, hyperglycemia. So, there are some, you know, there are some potential issues. Now, if you're a super fit guy and you want to lose 10 pounds, i.e. my friend Mark Bell wants to get ripped down. I mean, yeah, he can do it. He's going to long term. And Mike Mark always likes to talk about strength is never a weakness. And I think he's cognizant enough to know that, you know, you do this long enough and that strength is not going to be there anymore. Um, so you've got to you've got to um, you know, I mean, like I said, I just don't think you can do a long-term sugar diet, particularly if you continually restrict protein. It's going to be a disaster. Not to mention fat. Remember, carbs are in essential. Fat, as Dr. Kilts astutely pointed out, fat fat fat soluble vitamins and so many other nutrients that are essential to human life. Sugar is not essential. Hey everyone, really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia. Stockman Steaks, who are delivering high quality grass-fed and finished pasture-raised beef and other meats, flash frozen and vacuum sealed to your door. Something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well. They also have a great range of specialty items such as highfat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver, kidneys, and beef heart as well. So, use code chaffy today for a free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at stockmanstaks.com.au and I'll see you over there. Thanks, guys. Correct. Dr. Chapy, are you a big fan of the new sugar diet craze? No, no, no. Definitely not. And, you know, like I was saying, you it's not just about weight loss. Um, there are a lot of ways to to lose weight, but you you want to do it in a way that's healthy and sustainable. And eating, you know, proper human diet is is that way is well, it's I think it's the best way. There's other ways that are at least better than the sugar diet. Um, you know, when you're when you're Yes. Okay. You can you can lose uh weight. We are seeing that. Dr. Baker illustrated some of the reasons why that could be. Um, and but that you can do it just as easily by restricting your protein and just eating fat or just not eating. I mean, these are these are things that people have done for a long time. Um, head-to-head with a low low carb highfat diet or a lowfat high carb diet. Head-to-head with, you know, isocchloric uh groups, the low carb, highfat diet worked better for weight loss. And so, we've seen this in experimental data sets in humans. But again, it's not just about weight loss because weight loss isn't the end all be all. When you're eating this amount of sugar, you're going to massively increase your blood sugar. You're going to increase your insulin. You're going to increase glycation. You're going to increase fruation. You're going to um these people aren't talking about having, you know, sort of whole whole food sort of carbohydrates. They're talking literally talking about eating candy. Hey, you get to eat candy. I mean, so we're literally sort of trying to address this to seven-year-olds and and get them hooked on on this sort of way of eating. It's it's not healthy. I mean, the idea that that we should be promoting eating candy and drinking soda like this is a good thing, I think, is is very dangerous and is going to cause a lot of harm uh in people's health. Uh this is going to make your blood sugar spike. This is all the damages, all the ravages of type 2 diabetes come from elevated blood sugar, causing glycation, damage to your blood vessels, damage to your organs, uh needing amputations, having endorgan um failure, kidney failure, going blind, diabetic retinopathy, Alzheimer's, type three diabetes, hormonal disruptions from the insulin, insulin affecting hundreds of different physiological processes in your body and your brain. and now you're spiking this up and you're getting a disruption, an imbalance in that um in those uh in those hormones and physiological processes. So, it's it's, you know, a short-term method that people can lose weight, but I think there are better ways of doing that, much healthier ways of doing that, and ways that you don't h it doesn't have to be short term. It doesn't have to be just I'm just going to do this for a few weeks until my body starts having very serious issues and then you have to deal with those issues. You know, doing something in a healthy way is is going to be allow you to do that for the rest of your life. And that's really what we need to to think about and having healthy weight loss with the end result and the end goal being health and letting your your weight and everything else balance out. You know, my concern as well is that this is this has sort of jumped up so rapidly. I mean, think about how long it's taken for ketogenic, for paleo, for carnivore um to really get a foothold and get out there. It's been a really grassroots movement that's taken years and decades to get going. And people like, you know, Dr. Atkins getting lambasted and things like that. Um, you know, making up stories that he died of a heart attack when he actually died by slipping on ice and hitting his head. Um, you know, textbooks from Dr. Osler in the late early 1900s, late 1800s, specifically saying the treatment for diabetes, type one and type two, they didn't differentiate back then, was carbohydrate restriction. You know, this is this has been a medical intervention for literally centuries now. And yet, we're trying to um but but it takes a massive grassroots effort to to get this back in um in the vernacular. Whereas the the sugar diet is just came like that, you know. And so I just wonder, you know, is this a response from the sugar industry, from the processed food industry because their their cereal sales are going down, their their soda sales are going down. All these things are going down. Okay, we need to make a response. And are they the ones pushing this out? Not to say that that Mike is getting paid or anything like that, but I would I would be very very suspicious that the the origins of the the sugar diet was being was being founded and pushed by these industries. It would it would uh wouldn't surprise me anyway. And now we're going to touch the third rail of carnivore. Uh oh. I need I need all y'all's opinions. And if anybody cares what I think about the sugar diet craze, I've actually already made a video about it. It's on my YouTube channel. Here's the third rail, gentlemen. Are you ready for it? I need your honest answer. Honey, is it carnivore or not? Dr. Baker, go. No, it's not. Dr. J. No, it's not sugar. And it's it's bee vomit. So, it's not even a part of an animal, right? You know, it's concentrated. Honey carnivore. We're gonna send Dr. Barry out to collect the honey for the uh carnivore meal and he may not come back alive. So, no way. Yeah. And people say, "Well, well, wait. Honey comes from an animal." And that's true. And so does rat but that doesn't mean it's part of your diet, right? All right. Are we are we ready, you think, to to watch this clip from the new documentary Animal? Are you guys ready to see this? Absolutely. Okay. All right. Let me bring Josh. There's Josh Felman. He is the director of the animal documentary. While I'm trying to get my technology in order here, Josh, tell us about this clip we're going to see. Set this up for us while I try to get this ready. Okay. Sure thing. Well, first of all, it's so great to see you guys. Oh my goodness. This is the dream team right here. And uh uh again I want to express how incredibly humbled we are that all of you could make the time uh to appear in this incredible film. Um so so so again what is what is Animal all about? So Animal unmasks a centurylong conspiracy of political, economic and religious forces that we believe and that you all talk about have twisted our natural bond with meat, enslaving us to ill health and big farmer dependency. We got some bold interviews um with you guys obviously. Uh we've got historical revelations, groundbreaking science. It shatters current nutritional myths and dares us to reclaim the ancestral diet that fueled our evolution. And today being a very special day, uh this is the day that we drop the full trailer. So, um Dr. Barry, you and I um spoke just over a week ago. We had the teaser trailer drop. We dropped that. That was 60 seconds. And this is now the full Uh Josh, what I've got queued up is the clip. Okay. Not the not the I don't have the trailer. I have the clip. Okay. All right. We've got trailer on our socials. Okay. Yeah. Because the trailer is already out there. People can watch the full trailer if you just search for animal documentary, but what I've got queued up is the I guess two-minute clip from the actual documentary itself. So, uh do you want to set this up or do you want me to just play it? I think we should just play it and talk about it afterwards. All right. Love it. Let me share this. Okay. Can you guys see that? You see the black screen? I'm gonna hit play. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Let me look at other historical populations. The work of Dr. J. Salsbury showed when he was living with the Native Americans in the Great Plains, they were predominantly just eating bison and they were extremely healthy. And Salsbury found that they were actually living well over 100 as healthy, active adults, not just sitting in a nursing home turning to dust over 40 years, but actually out there with packs on their back following the buffalo herds day in and day out. So he was reversing autoimmune issues uh like rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's, gout, helping people with tuberculosis, and other sorts of serious illnesses affecting people in the 1800s by putting them on a pure red meat and water diet. And this was studied for decades after him. And yet now we've had that overshadowed by the propaganda that meat and animal fats are harmful to our health. What if the key to restoring your health lies not in cutting back, but in embracing a more primal approach? What if meat, simple, nutrient-dense, and unprocessed, could be your ultimate reset button? the key to restoring your health. Could it be that by returning to a diet our ancestors thrived on, we're unlocking the health we've been searching for all along? And it sounds a little far-fetched because we all die in our 70s and 80s and we think 90 is amazing. But we know as geneticists that we are genetically designed based on the length of our tieumirs on our chromosomes that we designed to live about 120 years on average. And so why are we dying in our 70s and 80s or 60s? That's literally middle age. Genetically, we're designed to live 120 years. And if you eat what you're designed to eat, you should live as long as you're designed to live. And that is decades longer than we're living now. And that is proof positive that the things that we're eating are poisoning us because slow poison is still poison. And if something kills you 40 years early, you're still poison. Love it. Love it. Love it. Hey guys, just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at Carnivore Bar. I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat. 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Um, and as as we mentioned a moment ago, the uh the full trailer is now is now out which you can catch on our website and on all your socials as well. So um then the information regarding the actual release of the movie. So it will be in select theaters and on digital on June 20. So 20th of June is when you can see it. It'll be available digitally anywhere and everywhere you rent movies. So, Amazon, Apple, Fandango at Home, Microsoft, etc. And then theaters. So, we've got it playing in theaters in New York, um, in LA, in Vegas, in Austin, uh, Houston, and possibly Dallas. Um, there will be an opportunity to host the film in your city if if it's not if if it's not listed in the cities that I just mentioned. So, you can go to our website at animal.mmovhowtoatch and click host a screening to get started hosting in your community right now. Nice. Nice. I love it. Uh Josh, thank you so much for that. And uh we're all looking forward to the premiere of this movie. I'd love to host a premiere in Nashville. Get with get with Alyssa and we'll see if we can't figure out a way to do that. And I know all the docs would love to host it in their town if if possible. Uh Josh Felman, director of Animal, the new documentary coming out June 20. Thank you so much, Josh. Thank you guys. Dream team. Thank you. Thank you very much.