The REAL Health Care Crisis: Causes and Solutions

welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically [Music] uh so for those you don't know my name is Dr Anthony chaffy and I've I've done a lot of research into diet nutrition how that affect affects health and chronic disease and tied into that is why aren't we taught all these things in school in medical school and in just grade school and why are our nutritionists and other people telling us things that are actually making us sick since we've had all these very bright people with a lot of shiny letters after their name telling us all the things to do uh we've gotten fatter and sicker than human beings have ever been in history so why is that so um I'm talking about the real Healthcare crisis um causes and solutions so I want to talk about what is going on why are people just getting sicker why is everything becoming more of a problem and what can we do about it and also the the system itself is not necessarily the healthc care system is not necessarily uh to blame for that and we'll talk about that so you know where are we with human health today how do we get here what are the root causes that need addressing and how can we make the change okay so starting with the first one so when we look at at at human health from uh multiple different U metrics one of the things we can look at is non-communicable chronic diseases these are the things the so-called um chronic diseases that are non-communicable they're I'm not going to catch diabetes from some someone someone's going to catch lupus from another person and yet we're seeing this more and more in people they're just growing in abundance we're seeing it in animals now it's noncommunicable and when you feed animals the wrong thing they get so-called human diseases they get lupus they get diabetes they get cancer okay but they're not catching it from us they're eating the wrong thing they're being poisoned by what they're eating so these ncds the non-communicable chronic diseases um they're the cause uh the number one cause of uh death and disability in the world 74% of all deaths worldwide and 89% of all deaths in Australia it's 90% in the rest of the western world as well so these are such things as cancer cardiovascular disease stroke chronic respiratory diseases diabetes mental health neurological conditions uh chronic kidney disease so many others and if you look at these numbers sort of this breakdown um you'll see you know cardiovascular disease cancers all these sorts of things diabetes is is sort of lower but I think diabetes affects all these other ones as well and so you may die from something else probably died with diabetes along with that so if you look up here there's the eat Lancet study that show spoke about premature deaths across age groups from 1990 to 2017 the pink parts of these lines are the non-communicable diseases so these are people that that died prematurely they weren't supposed to die it wasn't their time they died early for some reason and these are the causes and there's communicable uh nutritional conditions and well I think noncommunicable disease are nutritional conditions but the recognized currently recognized nutritional deficiencies and um genetic issues and then injuries very small amount on those and they're they're very stable right but these non-communicable chronic diseas are massive massive massive Killers right so it's a major burden of disease and it's only getting worse wor so when we look at cardiovascular disease in particular this is getting worse around the world um the incidents have been increasing over the last century the rates the prevalence has gone up if you look at the mortality rates of these from 2000 you see all the different cancers es schic heart disease hero vascular disease um and so on these are going up these uh the mortality rates are going up up up up up and yet the acute respiratory infections perinatal diseases HIV a drad traffic accidents tuberculosis malaria all these things are actually staying pretty stable or coming down except for road traffic accidents seems to you know that that just changes with with um with the times but everything else is staying very stable or coming down except for the non-communicable chronic diseases so obviously something's happening why is that that's not genetic it's not there's some sort of plague that's that's spreading or something like that so why is that going up that's obviously something environmental something that we can affect we say well we don't know the causes of these things so well we just treat the symptoms for it okay well that's fine if we don't know it but we should be looking because obviously there is a cause if it's not just genetic it's not just ah it just happens it is going up it's going up so something is influencing us and making us sicker so non-communicable chronic disease are getting up in adolescence ncds are going up in kids now so we're getting uh type 2 diabetes used to be called adult onset diabetes until the 1990s you start to get a bunch of 10-year-olds who were not adults uh getting this this form of diabetes and they said well well how can that be well it was probably happening all the time we just didn't notice it and we didn't have the screening methods for it we just misdiagnosed as type one then called juvenile diabetes so they just renamed it type type two diabetes and type 1 diabetes and uh just forgot about it now you can do that once you can say well maybe we just didn't notice this you can do that once same with autism oh we just probably weren't diagnosing it well they tried that in the 80 in the '90s but then the rates went up in the 2000s and the 2010s and now the 2020s as well so why is that is this we're just getting so much better at at recognizing the the diabetes now no of course not so something is is increasing this another issue that people don't seem to realize is that there is extremely low prevalence of cardiovascular disease before the 20th century now people that are trying to mislead you will say well the age adjusted rates of mortality for cardiovascular disease peaked in the 60s and 7s and then started coming down just right around the time we made these these recommendations um that's not what we said we said the prevalence the rates the incidents the amount of the percentage of people in the population that have cardiovascular disease is going up the number of new diagnoses of cardiovascular disease is going up decade by decade and around the world mortality is definitely going up and it's outpacing the uh the the rate of growth in the population as well so that's just talking about in America deaths have calm down but we have better access to Medicine we have better interventions uh people are smoking Less in the in the early 1900s in the 1800s four out of five men smoked right and so we are smoking less all these things are going to have have an effect but the rate is going up well that's just screening no the amount of people people having their first heart attack is going up decade after decade it's just they're surviving so you look at mortality rates that doesn't tell you the whole picture and when you go back far enough you'll see it's a very different picture indeed because the first diagnosed death from heart attack from myocardial infarction in America was in 1912 that was the first recorded death from heart attack proven on autopsy there wasn't a single case before that now there were cases of atherosclerosis they notice little oh look this is's this little plaque or something built up in there and they recognize that as abnormal look at Gray's Anatomy this thing you have these an anatomical uh depictions of all the layers of the AR artery walls going back hundreds of years and that was that's that's normal to have no plaque there so they recognized look at this this is abnormal that's strange we saw that they didn't see heart attacks there's a couple in the literature in Europe there's one I found in the 17 1800s there's a couple in the 1800s there is zero in America before 1912 and then 10 years after that and this is at a time when four out of five men smoked remember 20 years later it's the number one killer in America so what happened there well it's just I guess we're just not diagnosing it nonsense if you look at if you look at uh medical textbooks from the 1800s which I have I have my great grandfather's uh medical textbook from Sir William Osler it is exquisitly detailed of all the different sort of anatomical issues and problems of the body and the heart when you when you have a myocard infarction a serious one this is not a subtle sign you have a huge piece of damage to that cardiac uh tissue and it dies it scars down that's not a subtle sign to miss and the way you die from that is either you get an arhythmia because you have this big massive Scar and the electricity can't propagate properly and so you get you get a an arrest right and so you would know that notice that big scar or the damaged heart muscle ruptures and you die of a of a cardiac toonot right so you're not going to miss a giant just ripping ripped out wall of the heart like oh I guess we just didn't see it like nonsense we were looking at these things for hundreds of years you know so um was it you know Harvey Dr Harvey he described the circulatory system something like 500 years ago they they took thousands of autopsies and looked at these things very closely these were not dumb people in fact they were doing a lot more with a lot less now the other argument is well people just weren't living long enough to develop heart disease also nonsense if you look at the Census Data it goes back to 1850 in America they didn't just say average life expectancy from birth because that's what we use now it's you know 78 in America or you know similar ages in other Western countries that's that's average life expectancy from birth that's very different to how old do people how long do people live if they die of old age very different right and so back in the 1850s infant mortality rate was very high it could be as high as three out of five right so the other two people actually had to live a long time there were Wars and famines and other sorts of horrible things so the people looking at this Census Data were a lot smarter than the people making that argument because they looked at from birth and then every decade 10 20 30 40 50 all the way up to 80 so in the 1850s they were saying if you made it to 80 years old how much longer would you live if everyone was dying in their 30s why why do you need to keep that statistic there wouldn't be any statistics to keep and in fact when you got into adulthood if you made it zero if you were from birth in 1850 sure the average life expectancy was 38 but again that's average if you made it to 10 years old it was 58 it's a big jump right there's a lot of people having heart attacks in their 30s too so that wouldn't have held it back even if we were dying at at 38 another good little little mental experiment does anybody here know what the required minimum age is to run for president of the United States anyone know 35 right when did they come up with that rule in the 1770s right and so they said no you're too young at 35 or 34 now at 35 you can do that all the founding fathers lived of America you know John Adams and and Jefferson and all these people they lived until their 80s and 90s Adams was 91 he was born in the mid 1700s right so no people absolutely lived you know well and truly long enough to develop these diseases this is a new disease right mean consumption was also the lowest they had been in 200 years in American history in the 1920s and 30s when this became the number one killer in America we're eating more meat in the 1800s when there were zero heart attacks and the 1700s and the 15 16 and 1500s when we having zero recorded heart attacks and deaths so is not even associated with meat but it is associated with the rise in processed foods in seed oils in sugars and all these things that were being told and told and told are really really good for us okay so what about brain health Alzheimer's disease was again one of these diseases that did not exist before the 20th century it was presented by Dr Alzheimer's as a single case report of a a woman with um uh Alzheimer's dementia and this was a single case and there wasn't a single piece of evidence in the literature prior to this describing the same pathology of what we call now Alzheimer's dementia it didn't make a big hit at the conference people were just going oh whatever it's just a case report it's just oneoff we've never seen this before we don't care there was one person who's quite influential who uh wrote uh a book on neurology and neurological pathologies and he included included that in there and called it Alzheimer's dementia 1906 well we already established that people were living into their 80s and 90s why weren't they getting this when I was taught in medical school was that if you live long enough everyone will get Alzheimer's do we see that in any animal population in the world no you have animals in the wild okay well they get killed by something sure what about animals in the zoo they're not you don't see like The Old Lion just like staggering around limping and drooling you know you just don't see that you don't see getting osteoporosis you only see them getting arthritis unless they're being fed irresponsibly and treated inappropriately and and they and people get arrested for animal abuse and things like that well why the hell aren't we getting arrested for for feeding ourselves this same nonsense that abuses our own bodies as well so the mortality rate for Alzheimer's is just going up as well so this is again becoming more prevalent now it was not existent a 100 or so years ago but now just kill still going up and still going up oh well maybe we just didn't maybe we just didn't diagnose it like okay again you can say that once you know but once you start paying attention clock starts and then we see if you're right or not and I'm sorry but like why wouldn't you notice someone with Advanced dementia that can't function as a as a normal healthy independent adult anymore of course you notice that and 100 years ago this did not happen 50 years ago we did not have the same amount of of elderly care facilities and nursing homes that we do now and now big big business I did not used to be people used to die at home my great-grandfather whose medical textbook I have was born in 1875 he died in 1975 at home fully compass mous and independent you know that was normal right now it's abnormal now people are getting earlier and earlier signs of dementia and they're getting um more and more cognitive delay impairment and as you can see here this um mortality rate for Alzheimer's is going up and that's and that's in spite of age in it to try to lower it it's still going up so as you can see here it's it's it's coming up quite dramatically in total and it's expected to just get higher and higher and higher why are we expecting this to get worse well that's the trend why would it be getting worse what's happening are we just living longer no actually the the life expectancy has actually gone down in recent years so that's not it's not we're living longer and that's why we're getting more dementia we're getting more dementia at early ages right so these are earlier younger ages right so it's still creeping up even for those um in earlier ages as well hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show for everybody down in Australia Stockman Stakes who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to 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your grandfather was and that was from the early 2000s where they they recorded and and measured the testosterone levels of men in their 20s and compared them to men in their 60s from the 1970s and they found that the men in in their 60s in the 1970s had twice the level of testosterone of 20y old 20 something year old men in the 2000s so they said you're not half the man your grandfather was and you can see here as well you see this this this massive decline in testosterone levels as well but what about women fertility rates are going down significantly uh PCOS polycystic ovarian syndrome is now being called type four diabetes Alzheimer is being called type three diabetes as because you know your brain is not getting an appropriate amount of glucose and you get insulin resistance of again your brain is part of your body just as we've sort of reiterated here several times today in talks and so because it's part of your body you can get insulin resistance for your brain as well as the rest of your body and we actually see this on on pet CS we actually see that there's lower uptake of glucose in the brain on pet C on with people with Alzheimer's right and so what's happening is over the years you're getting less and less energy in your brain is just decaying and atrophying amongst other sorts of things as well I think are contributory when you switch over to a ketogenic diet your ketones go up that doesn't require insulin that bypasses that process goes directly into your brain it lights up because two-thirds of your brain including your cortex primarily run on ketones why do I say that when everybody says oh you have to have a certain amount of glucose well first of all when you're in ketosis you make glucose so problem solved but uh in fact 2third of your brain prefer ketones because when you have an adequate amount of ketones and you have an adequate amount of glucose those parts of your brain will only run on the ketones so even though you have an abundance of of glucose just puts it to the side so that's preference it's only when those ketones start coming down that you start replacing that with glucose so that's a preference that's a primary energy source and then ketones cross to blood brain bear this is especially important for kids kids because and elderly um adults because your brain requires fat to grow and rebuild and repair itself and ketones cross the blood brain barrier and reconstitute into fatty acids and that is used as the physical Matrix of your brain so type 3 diabetes being Alzheimer's type four diabetes being PCOS polycystic Varian syndrome which is the leading cause of female driven infertility and this is largely again because of our friend insulin you eat carbohydrates insulin goes up insulin controls about 100 different actually more than 100 different mechanisms in your body besides glucose control and so when you have it at at a nice normal level um when you're fasting or just not eating carbohydrates it's affecting everything at that nice low level call it a five you eat a p pasta or bread or something like that jumps up to 35 now you're now you're affecting everything at a 35 so everything is way out of balance and one of them is your hormones because PCOS can be caused by insulin resistance that's why it's called type four diabetes insulin blocks the the the conversion of testosterone into estrogen women make testosterone first and then that's converted into estrogen in the ovaries so insulin blocks that so you get too much testosterone and not enough estrogen and you get PCOS and you can put on weight you can get facial hair body hair things like that other sorts of things that you see in twoo with too much testosterone and then your infertile and you don't get your Cycles properly just like you'd see someone with insufficient amount of estrogen and that that accounts for nearly 40% of the of the infertility issues and you have uterine factors things like uterine fibroids those are also um largely uh caused by insulin resistance people that go on ketogenic diets actually find they have shrinkage of their fibroids uh quite consistently so that seems to be influenced by insulin as well so what about diabetes so this is a growing problem this unfortunately these statistics only go to 2006 was sort of the best graph I can get but you see this massive Spike you know since it's sort of slowly creeping up slowly creeping up then you hit the 80s and 90s and it really starts going up right what happened around that time we started telling everybody that fat was bad meat was bad okay stop eating that what do you replace it with carbs carbs and sugar and then seed oils because you want the polyunsaturated fats the unsaturated fats well those ones are great for you okay well um it's you have a massive spike in in in diabetes at that time it's increased by roughly a factor of eight since the 1980s and it accounts for uh 9% of the population in the US is estimated to have type 2 diabetes and that accounts for 75% of the Medicare budget so it's a very expensive disease to treat and it causes other diseases as well 40% of America um is estimated to be pre-diabetic so ostensibly if you don't do anything and why would they in 10 years or so you could have as much as 50% of the US population or the world population because similar statistics around the West could uh have uh type 2 diabetes what the hell is that going to do to the healthcare budget right so we're talking about what about our health care System do we go public do we go private like that's just rearranging chair deck chairs on the Titanic right like that's not the problem the problem is this massive massive growth of Burden of disease that's going to sink any ship doesn't matter what system you have it's going to destroy it and it's only getting worse right so this is looking at this is from the Harvard School of Public Health and they estimated a lot of the costs that we get from these non-communicable chronic diseases there only five of them right so so those five such as cancer cardiovascular disease COPD diabetes mental illness so just those five not even autoimmunity which is very expensive to treat and a lot of other diseases just those five and you can see from 2010 that this is increasing nearly doubling in the billions and then getting into the trillions in these sorts of diseases um from 2010 to 20130 so this is getting more expensive this is getting more prevalent this is causing a huge burden but then it gets even more exciting so the direct cost right so the cost that we pay for hospitals and medicine and these sorts of things estimated to be over $13 trillion worldwide by [Music] 2030 but then these are some of the opportunity costs the indirect cost right so people are sick they're missing out on work they're getting on disability they're not you know functioning in society and that cost Society the opportun the Lost opportunity cost was estimated to be about 40 trillion between 2011 and 2030 right so it keeps piling up and then just the economic burden of Life lost due to these ncds ranges from $22 trillion in 2010 estimated to go up to $43 trillion by 20130 so we're paying trillions of dollars for this processed garbage food and then we're paying over $13 trillion a year just to treat the effects of that processed garbage food but then we're losing you know upwards of 40 50 trillion dollars a year because of the loss opportunity causes costs and excess deaths so this is a very expensive Endeavor that's a very expensive bowl of corn flakes so how do we get here um well it's complicated I think all of you probably guessed a lot of these things but um sugar and processed foods seed oils um alcohol pollution all these all these things contribute um but in in Western countries especially as we've become more advanced we've actually reduced pollution significantly we have more developing countries have absolutely appalling um air quality when I was when I was doing humanitarian work in Bangladesh the I mean no they didn't have garbage disposals they just had to burn everything but because these same monsters were getting their processed food garbage into their into their in the middle of of a village in the middle of a jungle I don't even know how it's actually impressive they get these things out there but I I would see grass huts with banana leaves on top and they'd have bags of ruffle chips like funsize packs of ruffle chips and and gummy bears and things like that it's absolutely insane um and so they had all this plastic waste that didn't biodegrade didn't go away couldn't throw it away because they didn't have any garbage disposal they just swept it up into a pile and they burned it it just black Inky smoke coming up and that was just what this the sky and atmosphere looked like it was just constant black Inky smoke and debris um so that's affecting part of the world but not necessarily us and again four out of five people smoked in the early 20th century now it's much less it's much much less so we can't blame that entirely something else is causing this as well we look at sugar suar consumption that's gone right up and I I don't have the graph here but you there's a very similar graph with seed oils and just comes right up from the late 1800s so starting about here and then just going up they both perfectly track with cardiovascular disease and the rise of chronic diseases right so it's not saying that there's a cause and effect relationship there but there is a strong Association where there is zero association with animal fat and meat because you just go back before the 20th century or even to the early early 20th century you're completely it's completely disassociated right but you see this this consumption all these different countries with massively increased sugar and then the the orange area is high fructose corn syrup it's the same thing you know it's it's a mixture of fructose and glucose whereas sugar table sugar is just sucrose and that's a disaccharide of an exactly 50/50 mix of glucose and fructose it's the same thing high fructose corn syrup is like 54% fructose and and 46% glucose so it's very very similar so you know that's another scapegoat that Coca-Cola and others have tried to paint the blame oh if only we knew we had no idea how bad high fructose corn are well if only we knew we would just stick with normal sugar it's the same thing it's just there it's just a sacrificial lamb so that they can keep on selling their drugs to people and that's what they are they are drug dealers and they're trying to hook kids early just like any good drug dealer you hook them early you have a a customer for life so as as Natalie said sorry there's a typo here but you know we spend about $1.3 trillion a year on sugar and we spend 2.4 trillion dollar a year uh treating the effects of sugar and that's just sugar and remember we're spending 13 plus trillion dollars a year on on everything total and then all all the opportunity cost and the live loss cost is a massive massive massive cost all for couple trillion dollars in in uh sales it's not even profits so the the profits from from the sugar company is 400 billion right so out of that 1.3 trillion out of that 3.7 trillion in treating sugar and selling sugar they get 400 billion out of that and then we have all the opportunity cost and lives loss and things like that on top of it it's really it's really it's really uh not a great return on investment especially when you talk about the lives loss and people getting hurt so as we saying you know heavy corporate influences that have that have pushed the scale in One Direction um Kellogg Cal was founded in in the the early part of the 20th century late 19th century by Dr Kellogg who was a Seventh Day Adventist Church member I did a whole talk on this on the last regenerate conference that people may have seen people can look up online called the corruption of our medical and nutritional guidelines but suffice it to say that they have a religious bent on getting rid of meat they think that it's sinful it causes lust and lust is a sin and therefore meat is a sin so we should all stop that and that's you know their want whatever they want to believe is fine but they're trying to force this on everybody else and so Kellogg was of this opinion and he started making meat Alternatives like Kellog's cornflakes and other sort of nut meat sort of Alternatives as well to sort of replace meat as well and he wasn't hiding this he he said this is in order to reduce your your lustful desires and things like that he was he was very clear about that and then this whole thing took took a life of its own and this big processed food Empire has grown out because of that that's where it started sanitarium Foods here in Australia it's still owned by the 7th Day Adventist Church they've never paid taxes they have tax exempt status and the problem is is that they make trillions as we discussed uh maybe not every year but they're you know they're multi-billion dollar Enterprise and now they're in control of the narrative because they're they're pumping out tons and tons of money pushing that narrative about plant-based food being the best meat being bad well that supports two two of their post which is their religious ideology and also now their their financial investments and ties so that's not what you want you don't want people that are that are pushing out their agenda on people because of their own ideologies or their their their own Financial motives um the big problem with that is that they didn't invade and buy off the nutritional acmis they invented them they founded them there's a 7thday inven church member named Lena Cooper l n a Cooper and she was she was all about plant-based she founded the American nutritional and dietetics Association and she wrote the first textbook taught in university courses in nutrition it's as far as I know it's still in print and its current iteration its current edition is still being taught in IV League schools in America Sally Norton said that one of her textbooks at Cornell University was that book I think it was the 44th Edition and so they didn't just invade this the institutions they are the institutions you know we talk about the man behind the curtain they're like three curtains back right so that's a problem they're also pumping out the majority of the research right so all the evidence on nutrition nutritional research it's largely funded by industry Coca-Cola alone spends 11 times the amount of money on nutritional research than the NIH the National Institutes of Health right so this is a the mass majority of studies coming out in nutrition specifically comes from the exact people that we should never listen to the people with an agenda who want to want to sell a product or push uh an ideology on us so you have to be very careful you know this is you know uh people talk about about you where's the study where's the study where's the study that's not science that's Academia that's just publishing things for the St sake of publishing things you know Sciences observation and looking what happens in the real world situations then designing studies to try to extrapolate more meaning out of that but if you have a study that tells you that rocks fly and you throw a rock and it falls like I don't care what your study says like it's just the observed fact is that you're wrong and when I as a doctor and a clinician I go against those guidelines and do something else and I see the exact opposite results of what someone says I'm going to trust my real world experiences and what happens my actual patience in in the real world than any study um and and now we know why because this isn't even Academia at this point this is just marketing you know these studies are not someone publishing this because they think wow look I found this out this is this is a directed targeted approach to sell a product and push an ideology they're not the only ones there's a big profit motivation in this obviously drug companies make a lot these investment companies make a lot Goldman Sachs had a a slide leaked from one of their one of their meetings that said is curing patients a sustainable business model the answer of that of course is no because if you just cure someone then then the problems gone you give them medicine once and that's it the again going back to the drug dealer uh metaphor the money is on the return the return customer you get them addicted and now they're dependent and they have to keep coming back keep coming back who is more dependent someone who does cocaine or someone who requires uh blood pressure medication and and something to keep down their rheumato arthritis and Crohns and gout and all these sorts of things they are beholden to these drug companies or else they will get very sick they're not even having fun with it they're just not dying right so you know it's it's a pretty pretty horrible sort of uh drug dealer relationship if you ask me but um so they're they're not they're not interested in curing disease that's what doctors used to be about was curing disease getting people better we did that the last thing we cured was polio right and they're still mad about all the money they lost on polio they don't cure anything now right it's just about the treatment just treating symptoms and that's it and well we just don't know what's causing it that's because you're not looking for it so it's a product development market and they're not going to look for a product that will just run itself out right it's like planned obsolescence in cars they used to make cars it just last forever decades decades and decades now they don't they just they are designed to break down so you have to you get schedule repair and maintenance and that you have to replace your car right uh it's the same with medicine now too they're trying to just keep you coming back from more so we just need to know that right that's fine that's their motivation our motivation is being well and healthy so we don't look to them for cure cures we look at other means for cures right so we we do our own research and look into this and of course oh don't do your own research just listen to experts there one of the oldest saying in the world is you keep people ignorant you keep them under control so don't listen to anybody that do that says don't do your own research that's called being educated right that's called looking things up and reading books right so anybody tells you not to do that is is clearly not your friend um there was even a whistleblower that came out and he worked in big Pharma and he said that there was one of these Executives from the pharmaceutical companies that said uh as a rhetorical question well you know what my favorite drug is that that our company makes and you know you'd hope they'd say something like you know cures childhood leukemia or something like that and they said no my favorite drug that our company makes are any drugs that have side effects that we have other drugs that treat that's how their heads work they just want money they don't care about your suffering in fact they're happy for you to suffer more so that they can sell you more drugs there sick people so the editor of uh the lanc journal one of the most prestigious medical journals in the world is a guy named uh DR Horton Richard Horton um he he he made a whole big statement and he's not the only one the editor-in chief of uh the New England Journal of Medicine also probably the most prestigious medical journal in history um they both came out and said that that basically medical research is unreliable at best or completely fraudulent and they said at least half falls into this category and that's because uh big Pharmacy and big food they falsify manipulate tests um in order to get the result that they want to push their product and say that it's not only safe but good for you and this was reiterated by uh many many many other editors and scientists of of notes like John iones from Stanford who's one of the most cited researchers of all time and he said that these that these studies are basically garbage and you just cannot trust them because again even if they were just honestly done that's still Academia that's not science but they're not even that this is this is marketing and propaganda at this point that's the vast majority of this stuff hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well 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poison scorpions or snake bites or these sorts of things right now we're dealing with these ncds and that again accounts for 90% of what we see as doctors on a day-to-day basis and 90% of the deaths in the western world but that's actually just these last two it's malnutrition and toxicity we're not getting proper nutrition we're not getting the the nutrients that we require for our brain and our body and our proper development you know uh Jalal spoke about the MISD development of the Jaws and teeth we saw that immediately after agriculture everywhere we went when people went from predominantly meat to predominantly plants the height and health of populations declined every single time brains decreased by 11% % for adult men 177% for adult women Jaws became smaller teeth became more crowded and crooked and we started having all these sort of Dent dentition issues signs of of poor wound healing of malnourishment as well as tuberculosis in spines and Bones of these skeletons that that did not happen before agriculture immediately after they found that and so and then toxicities this toxic buildup of a species in appropriate diet eating things that have no business being in our body and I would include every every and all plants in that right to to to you know to different degrees right but there are toxins in plants and we don't have as as good of defenses against them as other animals do but even those other animals that only eat plants they only eat very specific plants because they have defense defenses for those plants and so you don't see animals eating outside of their biological design and staying healthy and so if an animal eats a certain plant it needs to just eat those plants if it eats outside of that it can get very sick and in veterinary medicine we have a lot of diseases named for this big head big tongue limp neck Crazy Cow syndrome those are all diseases but they all they all are named for diseases of of a toxicity the animal the cow that eats a plant that it's not supposed to eat normally you don't see this in the wild uh because they you know they just keep walking they don't just eat any random thing but if you're stuck in a pasture and you sort of run out of food because you're you know out of neglect or something like that then then they might eat plants they normally wouldn't and they get these issues and sicknesses and diseases right so we know that in the animal population we know that a malnourishment um disease that happens in cows is muscular distrophy cows get muscular distrophy it's exact same disease as human muscular distrophy from what I understand but they figured out that it's actually a selenium deficiency and so you give these Cal selenium and goes away or just never happens in the first place right has anyone ever asked if our muscular distrophy and our children is from a deficiency like from selenium or or anything else I would I would you know I would try to encourage and challenge anybody here that deals with muscular distrophy or anybody you know watching this recording who who treats muscular distrophy or children in general uh to ask that question and maybe check their selenium check other other sorts of nutrients um we also know that we're getting malnourished because our reference ranges are getting lower and lower and lower for all these different um nutrients so people think you go to your doctor and they check your B12 or your folate or or something like that and they say okay well it's in this range that's good right oh no now it's too high that's bad it's too low oh that's bad right why is that because they're saying that that reference range is the optimal range for Optimal Health but that's not what that range is that range is the average for the community and that's why every single lab has different reference ranges all over the world that's because they have a different reference range population so we need to look at the actual ranges for good health and those are very different and so you will actually see I see if this would revolutionize medicine overnight if you just actually use reference ranges that actually denoted actual health and doctors would see just the whole you know several pages of just red numbers like oh my oh my God you know that you'd have to do something right now now they're looking oh no no everything's fine no you're fine uh they're not fine they're malnourished they have low testosterone they have low estrogen they have other sorts of disgracias and that they're just not being picked up because everyone is getting it and so those reference ranges are changing but if you look at actual Health you'll see this very clearly so we're getting malnourished and we're getting poisoned and I think that's uh that's the the beginning and end of most of these chronic diseases so some of these you we talk about root cause issues a lot of this stuff comes from stress processed food sugar lack of sleep processed carbs sedentary lifestyle seed oil things like that and this can all lead to insulin resistance and they get all these little things coming off migraines PCOS inflammation heart disease rectile dysfunction type 2 diabetes all these sorts of things and uh it's it's not on here but you you would you could also argue that things like cancer would be on there too and i' uh i' I've sort of started calling cancer type five diabetes heard it here first right um and that's because your body gets disrupted and it can't function properly if you if you understand the cancer biology mechanisms in the molecular um mitochondrial or the role that mitochondria have to play in cancer um you understand that the every Cancer cell has damaged mitochondria but they don't necessarily have damaged DNA in fact some cancers don't have any genetic uh changes but they all have mitochondrial dysfunction one thing you get when you raise insulin one of those over 100 things that you disrupt is autophagy something that people have heard it's just autophagy the body is eating parts of itself some people argue that well that comes from uh your body starving it's trying to scavenge resources well that doesn't make sense we have a lot of fat we have a lot of stored energy so we don't actually need that um and it's actually a normal process you take a mitochondria you break it down for parts and then you make more mitochondria so that's not actually taking that and then using it somewhere else they're just replacing it that's normal housekeeping that's normal repair of of the cell and the cellular structures and so on ketogenic diets you don't have to fast to get autophagy just being in ketosis allows you to go through autophagy and we see in in studies that after several months mons on a ketogenic diet that you have four times the number of mitochondria and they're four times as effective right so you're going through that autophagy phase and so if you're keeping your mitochondria healthy there's a lot of things that can damage mitochondria um but if you're able to repair them and replace them before they get so damaged they cause dysfunction and disease well then then you're on the right track and that could potentially keep you safe from developing cancer in the first place if you're able to keep your insulin low and go through autophagy so um insulin resistance itself is actually uh a major issue for cardiovascular disease so heart disease risk increases by sixfold with people with metabolic syndrome by tfold with people with diabetes so that's a big risk factor that's up there with smoking that all comes from the same origin insulin resistance we have thousands of studies showing that ketogenic metabolic therapy using a ketogenic diet like a carnivore diet carnivore diet is a ketogenic diet is a more strict ketogenic diet that this is this used therapeutically to treat diseases has amazing effects has better effects than than most uh medications for many of these diseases it's been shown to reverse diabetes type two diabetes and to significantly uh reduce the need for medications like insulin for type 1 diabetes keep their blood sugar in much much better control and and many other things autoimmune diseases Alzheimer's things like that it shows big Improvement and and as we said that this is this is very important for for children um and uh and and adults as well because the ketones actually make the brain run better and cross over and reconstitute into fatty acids and help build the structures of your brain so it's very important it's it's our primary metabolic state that that's the primary metabolic state of nearly all animals in the wild carnivores and herbivores 70% of animal species are carnivores and they just eat fat and protein from animals right they don't get carbs so they're in that ketogenic starvation State it's not a starvation State that's a normal typical state of Life herbivores they eat a whole bunch of grass and fiber and things like that oh well that's carbohydrates that's glucose but they don't break down the glucose there's no animal that has cellulase which is the enzyme required to break down cellulose even termites can't do it it's the it's the microbes in their gut that can do that and the microbes eat the fiber and as a result as a byproduct they produce saturated fat and then the microbes die off and they absorb that as protein so they eat fiber but what they absorb is fat and protein just like we need to do as well except we can't turn fiber into that because we haven't been eating fiber uh we're not designed to eat fiber okay so they're all in that ketogenic State as well and that's where all of our heavy machinery comes to Bear also so another thing that that insulin does is it it is the fat storage hormone this is a young girl with type 1 diabetes and you can see here she doesn't have insulin she can't cannot put on uh any sort of fat or muscle tissue you need insulin uh to put on muscle as well and her body just waste away and she'd die if she didn't get insulin now she's given insulin she just a normal little girl too much insulin can go the other way people with an insulin insulin secreting tumor they get extremely obese it doesn't matter what they eat everything that goes into their mouth they just stored into fat very quickly and their their metabolism and these other sorts of processes that insulin affects are massively deranged so they have a lot of comorbidities as a result of that as well and this affects all sorts of other um satiety Pathways such as leptin causing overeating on top of that anything you eat is going to go into fat and you're just being told eat eat eat eat eat eat eat and you can't even access the anyway because insulin blocks the mobilization of energy from your fat stores as well okay so how do we address this well there is a cause that has this effect and so you have to identify what that cause is and when we do when we remove certain foods and blood sugar lowers and Insulin comes down and these diseases start to reverse and then you remove other things as well because people can be on a ketogenic diet or a very clean omnivorous diet and they still get autoimmune diseases and they still get rashes they still get migraines and they still get all sorts of different things and then they cut out all the rest of it and just go back to what we've been eating historically as as human beings as a population prior to the Agricultural Revolution or native Australians Native Americans 120 years ago these diseases go away and in fact they didn't have those diseases in the 1800s in these populations in any great number because they weren't eating the same things but when they switched over to a western diet they started getting the Western diseases that's what they were called the diseases of the West because the the different populations around like Native Americans native Australians they weren't getting these diseases oh it's only Europeans that are getting these sorts of things well now they're getting them and they're getting them in Spades when I first came to Australia I was told day one that if you get an Aboriginal patient native Australian that whatever their age says on their file you add 20 years to that because they just die faster they just break down faster they get these disas is faster so if you see a patient in their 30s you have to treat them as their geriatric patient that's because their bodies are just breaking down faster and I have a patient who works with the the native population and she said this that's actually something they know about when you live in the city for a while people just get sick they get these City diseases and so the treatment for that is they just no not checking into the hospital I'm going out I'm going out into the bush and living with my family out there and they just live out they just go back to Nature just do what they've been doing for really the entire existence of humanity diseases just go away I mean sometimes you can't you know sometimes you know the the something the progression is too far gone and you won't make it but they do this for a lot of different sorts of issues and we're doing this now in clinical practice as well and again we saw thousands of these things we're seeing um not just examples these aren't just we're seeing we're seeing large scale human trials with ketogenic diets and what's a ketogenic diet it just means you get rid of carbohydrates okay what do you replace it with well just like you got rid of meat what do you replace it with carbohydrates when you get rid of carbohydrates you replace it with meat really you replace with protein and fat but the sources for that protein and fat is largely from animal products you could do this with a vegetarian diet but it'd be difficult you basically have to drink canola oil and take a bunch of multivitamins and so that it's not really practical and no one really wants to do it so they don't all of these studies don't use a plant-based ketogenic diet they use an animal-based ketogenic diet and that's what's really important to know and understand because people will say well there's no evidence for a meat-based diet no no that's the only diet that has evidence because it's the only diet that's been studied rigorously plant-based diets are just survey questionnaires they ask a bunch of nurses and say Hey what' you eat last year that's actually a study that's the nurse's study and they ask them once a year what they ate last year they don't say hey keep track this year they say Hey what' you eat last year good luck getting accurate information the only ones that been studied rigorously are an animal-based diet so that actually is the safest diet it's actually the most beneficial diet and people are saying that we shouldn't call this a diet we should call this a therapeutic intervention because it is because we're we're reversing diseases and that's because we're removing the cause it's a cause and effect relationship when you remove something and the effect goes away that should make you think when you bring that something back and the effect comes back then you're really on to something and that cause and effect relationship so again diabetes was was shown to be reversible with a low carb ketogenic diet animal based at Vera Health um Dr Unwin and others have been reversing numerous cases of diabetes Dr Unwin has been keeping count and keeping records and showing that he's a UK doctor and he's showing the NHS hey this is how many tens of thousands of pounds I'm saving you every year just on Diabetes medications all these other diabet medications that's probably the only reason he hasn't been struck off yet for going against the the guidelines but he has to date 137 cases of completely reversing type 2 diabetes and getting them uh off medications um improving CBD so the the lean mass hyperresponders studies with Dave Feldman they found people on ketogenic diet with so-called massively elevated LDL for an average of 4.7 years actually found they had reduction in their atherosclerosis it didn't go up it didn't even stay the same the trend was to improve um croh disease we're seen multiple studies with this showing that you remove carbohydrates you remove different sorts of uh foods and just keep meat and those sorts of things well they just removing things but what you keep is is generally meat after that um reversing this keeping people into remission sibo small intestinal bacterial overgrowth there's case series showing that carnivore diet specifically has um reverse that Alzheimer's disease there are studies showing that keto high fat meat-based ketogenic diets are a better treatment for Alzheimer's than every drug ever tried right okay so how to make a change I'm probably going to go through this a bit more quickly just because um just for time sake but you know the the main problems is that all the money is on the side of the pharmaceutical companies and the drug and the drug companies and the and the food companies and so research is coming from them but they also have this product this this this product model where they have a marketing budget and so they're pumping out a lot of money and they're getting people out there talking about it they can pay media corporations to talk about you know the new OIC trials or something like that whatever the new drug is of the day um but they also are pushing their their agenda into the medical schools they're they're helping to curate the curriculum for medical schools they're a lot of the professors are on Boards of all these things and they have an implicit bias in what they teach medical students as well and that gets into residency programs and is the boards what we learn about they dictate this the Food and Drug companies dictate this and then the continuing medical education at the different conferences that are not like this that are that are sponsored by uh they're all sponsored by big Pharma and big food and so they get to talk about like well we don't like that speaker he says he talks about a ketogenic diet we don't want that right and um but that but that's also why I mean there are thousands and thousands and thousands of studies why don't doctors know about these well we know about it but because we did our own research and we looked into this or we had a patient or ourselves who had massive Health improvements because of this and and then we started looking into it and going my goodness there's thousands of studies there but you know what they don't have a marketing budget behind them to get this into the medical schools to get this into the residency programs and to get this into the conferences we have to do these things independently right and they don't have um and they don't have sponsored lunch is at hospitals and things like that we treat these drug reps as if they're like the research wing of our hospital or something like that like oh here here's you know a bunch of sandwiches and oh look at this study oh that's so great keeping us up to date no this is this is a marketing campaign right this is a Salesman they're giving you a sales pitch you know I mean you get I mean you're going to let you know like used car dealers come and tell you about how great you know 1996 Corolla is you know I mean there oh look at this study how great it is like yeah okay fine but you know know where it's coming from right so this is a Grassroots movement there are doctors stepping outside the system they're seeing this for themselves they're seeing what actually works they're getting really despondent with the the system saying like this isn't helping people I'm just seeing get people people getting worse and worse and worse year after year um then they come across this they're like okay this actually helps people this is why I came into medicine in the first place and so that's growing there's a number of doctors here that I've spoken to that are in that category and and uh everyone who's spoken up here has been in that category as well and we're seeing this actually helps people right and then patient research people are starting to recognize that their interests are not being um not being uh taken care of right that that these the powers that be don't have their best interest at heart and so they have to do their own research and they actually educate the doctor so Dr Unwin the reason he came to a low carb approach is because he had a patient who wasn't taking uh their diabetes medication said hey you know what's going on and they said well I haven't needed it in a year because I stopped eating carbs and everything went away and I can't believe you never told me that a bowl of cereal had as much sugar as you know it's like you 10 teaspoons of sugar right and and that this actually mattered like you you know I can't believe that you're even qualified to be a doctor you didn't even know this and he was just like w and he was like okay shots fired and he said okay you know when someone says when a patient says that to you you need to pay attention mention and so he didn't so he listened and so he he started looking into it and realizing wow there's a lot here and he's completely changed his approach but his name was mud for a long time and people would he say people would turn their back on him and they would they would shout at him in meetings like this about what a what a monster he was for doing this sort of stuff so he had to keep records he had to keep Audits and find like hey I have 137 patients that are now off diabetes medications what are you doing right and so now his name is namut but that came from a patient calling him out and and hopefully you all are trying to educate your doctors as well because most of them are very well-meaning and want to help but they're just they're they're getting all the information from the drug companies and from the food companies right and they're being told that for a diabetic it doesn't matter it doesn't matter how much carbs they eat you don't need to limit carbs just make sure they're getting enough insulin well of course you'll say that you're selling the damn insulin right but insulin doesn't have to do with just blood sugar control as we saw High insulin affects over a 100 different mechanisms in your body and so the higher you bring that the worse off your patient will be and they've seen that when they aggressively treat blood sugar with insulin people die and that's why doctors say don't want your blood sugar to be too controlled as a diabetic you want your hb1c to be be you know around six to seven that's because of these studies that aggressively treated HB andc with insulin and people were dying oh because you know the glucose being low they're getting hypos no it was because the high insulin was killing them that's what it's from hey everyone if you need a little extra help getting started on a carnivore diet and my online resources that I have for free aren't enough for you you can go to www.how carnivore docomond carnivore challenge where you'll have online Resources Group support weekly Zoom meetings as well as the ability to chat live with myself Simon Lewis and the others in the challenge who can help you and support you and give you extra advice and help you along the way so if that sounds like something that would be beneficial to you then please go to howc carnivore docomo movement with things like this different conferences the low carb down under conference the PCH conference I'll be speaking at next month this conference these sorts of things these are Grassroots movement that help Galvanize things and help educate the Educators and educate the patients who can then go and make a difference in their own communities and we grow this process and we will eventually win this if we keep pushing because the truth will out this does work and you can't keep this locked up forever and then there's private funders there's people like the bazookis who are um you know they they invented robloxs at video game so they're they're very wealthy from that their son had bipolar I just interviewed him on my podcast map is Suzuki had a horrible case of bipolar was you know had all the problems that come came with that and his parents were very very worried for him and they spoke to Professor Chris Palmer who is at Harvard and found this out that hey if you change people's diet put them on a ketogenic even a carnivore diet that their schizophrenia goes away in a few months their bipolar goes away their major depression goes away OCD uh ADHD even autism can improve as well largely to do with the benefits from the mitochondria improving but also because you're getting rid of a lot of other toxic things that are directly harmful and so now they're so appreciative of this they're like okay more people need to know about this so they're funding a lot of these conferences as well to educate the Educators and that will grow as well so just some quick results from my clinic we have over a 100 patients with hashimotos thyroiditis that we have clinically reversed that every single one every single one that goes on a corn diet their autoimmune antibodies go down to nothing as long as they stay on it and we measure these it's it's very easy to measure that their thyroid may not recover all the way because there is such a thing as damage done it may not recover fully but the antibodies go to zero and they generally come off a lot of their medications if not all um a many other autoimmune conditions um Crohn's disease Ultra colitis Graves disease lupus uh we have a few patients with rheumatoid arthritis and even multiple sclerosis and these are all improving dramatically with uh just these dietary changes just eating a more typically appropriate diet for human beings cancer uh I don't treat cancer directly but I do help people if they want to uh investigate ketogenic metabolic therapy for cancer it's something I've been involved within the research side of things with Professor Thomas seed in America and uh given some lectures on um but we have people that are using this as an adjunct to their cancer treatment and some of them are having absolutely remarkable results one lady had had uh breast cancer and spinal man metastases and Mets all over her body and in less than 6 months she was completely cancer-free on radiological Imaging so that's a massive massive Improvement this lady was terminal she said you are going to be dead in the next few months and now she's at least visibly cancer-free on our scans uh hemocromatosis I mean something they say Don't eat don't eat red meat because it has so much iron in it and then we have people with hemocromatosis who have a buildup in iron and actually they getting better right and now I have one patient that hemocromatosis is rare but uh so I only have one patient with it at all but he was able to actually stop needing uh to give blood to lower his uh his iron levels because it's not about how much iron is coming in it's about how you use it and how you metabolize it that's what's important and when your body is working properly uh that will work properly as well testosterone every male patient that comes in their testosterone goes up I have 70-year-old men who triple their testosterone and get to the level of a of a 25y old old and I one guy came in he was extremely excited and he was he was he was very happy he just teeming with energy and you just said I just feel like a teenager again this is great all I want to do is work out and have sex with my wife I'm like great that's good but um you know it's you get the massive improvements in people's health I even have professional athletes who double their testosterone I mean I mean what a hack that is you know you're Prof already a Prof professional athlete and now your testosterone doubles what's that going to do to your competition and this is why a lot of professional teams here in Australia are switching to carnivore entire entire teams entire Rugby teams and AFL teams are trying to switch to carnivore and they're not talking about it because they don't want the other teams to do it because this is such a hack PCOS as I said you know that just goes away that's just insulin resistance and um ERS Danos I have three patients with ERS Danos that's that's multi that's a very mobile joints they get dislocations three patients they just started eating more meat they didn't even necessarily need to go full carnivore but now they're getting more uh uh build building blocks for collagen I believe and less inflammation they're just cleaning things up they're not having joint replacement or joint dislocations anymore it's remarkable so we don't know why but it's happening type 2 diabetes goes hand inand with PCOS but every single person I see we test them for insulin resistance test them for uh blood sugar and and fasting insulin they all improve every single one across the board I I've yet to see anybody go the other way and so people say well if you don't eat carbohydrates for a certain amount of time then you start getting I've never seen that I've never seen that I have hundreds of patients we check they're fasting insulin and blood sugar all the time I only see it Go One Direction stabilize and stay there and obesity I mean we we probably have some of the best records um for for treating obesity and um the the worldwide number so this is worldwide for everything everybody trying diets and things like that out of a 100 people only 20 will ever reach their target weight only five people will keep that for a year only one person will keep that after 5 years we have very different numbers over 80% reach their target weight over 26% maintain that after 5 years and um and and those are with more of a low carb approach we still don't have our 5-year number for a carnivore yet but I can tell you that every single person who stayed on that has has maintained the weight loss they've no one has come off unless you come off the diet and that's why you think of it as a way of life this is not just a diet right this a it's a metabolic therapy this is not a just diet to get into a you know your your old you know gym clothes from high school or something so in in in summary the natural state of of all life is is good health all plants all microbes all animals they're healthy sickness is a problem sickness is a disorder it's pathological and we just accept it as normal so just getting older now kids kids get sick kids get these disease they should not have elderly people get diseases they should not have and some things that we did not see in these in these uh more primitive groups that were just eating more natural diet until they were transitioned onto this process garbage that we're eating too but but even Dr Salsbury in the 1800s he found there's long before processed foods he found that people that were eating more plants were getting other diseases people simply weren't like autoimmune diseases and more susceptible to tuberculosis like we saw in the in the fossil record pre- and post agriculture right so he even figured out in the 1800s you put people back on a red meat and water diet only and you can reverse these things as well wrote a whole book on it called the relation of alation and disease alation beat and digestion the relationship between what you eat and the diseases you get that these diseases are being caused by the food that you eat and that's exactly what I argue as well so we've lost our way in health these are preventable diseases these are not out of our control every single one of you is completely in control of the majority of things that will happen to your life and your health 90% of the problems that we have right now are 100% preventable even when we were smoking at an 80% rate we did not have these diseases as well so something added on to that to make things worse so that's completely preventable if these numbers can go up they can also go down you just have to recognize what the cause is and then you can get rid of the effect so as I said sort of these These are really from poisoning and lack of proper nutrition I believe that's a major cause of this um and if we return to our Natural State and and we talk about you know light and grounding all these sorts of things this all things we're designed to be out we're terrestrial beings we should be out in the this is something that we've grown up with biologically but so is eating food so eating the right food and so this is all important all these things uh roll in together so you get back to a more natural approach to your life as much as you can living in boxes you know you do as best you do the best you can you're going to get better results and food is so fundamental because that's something you're introducing to your body what you eat becomes your body right and so there's nothing more fundamental than that and so we're getting people educated in in groups like this and online and trying to spread this out but it it really comes from you guys we can present this stuff but it's you who have to action it in your life and show the benefits of this and then you show your family how much better you are they get interested they start asking questions you start pushing them in the direction um of of different information so they can look into it themselves and see if it's something that they want to employ in their own life and then they affect others and others and others and this just grows and and the reason that these channels are growing and these conferences are growing like regenerating like low carb down under and the phc is is because of that of that effect that you guys are having in your own circles that's how this grows you know so so don't don't think that that's just a small effect your Ripple of of influence goes a long way and then someone else that you influence will then be another Ripple and another Ripple and another Ripple and now having people talk about the carnivore diet you know on the evening news oh what's this carnivore diet we'll get the our our expert oh it's garbage okay great you have to talk about it though don't you and then someone says like well what the hell is that about maybe they look into it and go like doesn't sound so garbage to me maybe they try it I I was on um 60 Minutes Australia and they you know they tried to sort of paint me in a bad light but everybody in the comments were saying it was like you know that meat guy is the only one that looks healthy out of everybody there you know and they also recognize I was the only one not pushing a product you know I just said hey you just eat meat you don't need all these supplements you don't need all these things and uh and so I I I had a lot of people message me saying hey I saw that and they tried to trash you but it made me interested and I tried it and I've never feel better in my life so even bad press is good there's no such thing is good press or as bad press right say it's all good you're just getting it out there so we're already at that point that they have to talk talk about it so this is working so we just keep pushing your spheres of influence out there and this will keep uh keep getting out to more more people and we will win this eventually thank you very much hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast and if you're on YouTube then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I have a new video out which should be every week if not more and if you can share this with your friends that would help me get the word out and let me know that you like what I'm doing thanks again guys