This interview features Andrew Gerard, a magician, hypnotist, and television producer known for his work on the Chris Angel MindFreak show. Andrew shares his remarkable health transformation after switching from 16 years of vegetarianism to a carnivore diet following mysterious stomach issues and vivid dreams about eating meat. His journey began organically - he discovered the carnivore community only after naturally gravitating toward eating exclusively red meat.
Andrew's results were dramatic and measurable: he lost 42 pounds, dropping from 242 to 197 pounds, while his blood pressure normalized from 160 to 128/74. Most remarkably, his testosterone levels increased naturally from around 6-9 to 21-23 after stopping testosterone replacement therapy entirely. His doctor was so impressed with the blood work improvements that he didn't initially recognize Andrew and declared it the best results he'd seen, with complete resolution of fatty liver disease.
Dr. Anthony Chaffee explains the physiological mechanisms behind Andrew's improvements, detailing how eliminating carbohydrates reduces insulin levels, which then allows proper function of over 100 bodily processes. He discusses how high insulin blocks growth hormone, disrupts sex hormones, and prevents autophagy - the body's cellular cleanup process that should occur naturally when eating only meat.
The conversation covers the rigorous scientific evidence supporting animal-based diets, with Dr. Chaffee noting that ketogenic diets (essentially carnivore with vegetables) represent the most thoroughly studied dietary intervention in medical literature. He contrasts this with plant-based diet studies, which rely primarily on unreliable food frequency questionnaires rather than controlled trials.
Both discuss the practical and social aspects of carnivore eating, including Andrew's approach of honoring the animals he consumes and the surprising ease of meal planning when eating only salted red meat. They address common concerns about cholesterol and the profit motives of industries that benefit from chronic disease management rather than prevention.
Key Takeaways
- Eliminating carbohydrates naturally restores testosterone production - Andrew's levels increased from 6-9 to 21-23 after stopping testosterone replacement therapy on carnivore
- Insulin affects over 100 bodily processes beyond blood sugar control, including blocking growth hormone action and disrupting sex hormone production when chronically elevated
- Autophagy (cellular cleanup) occurs naturally when insulin stays low by avoiding carbohydrates, not just during extended fasting periods of 72+ hours
- Dry-aging steaks by salting and leaving on wire racks in the refrigerator for 2-4 days concentrates flavor and improves texture through moisture evaporation
- Ketogenic diets represent the most rigorously studied dietary intervention with randomized controlled trials, while plant-based diet studies rely on unreliable food frequency questionnaires
- The human body contains only 4 grams of glucose (one teaspoon) naturally - even one extra gram triggers insulin responses that can cause cellular damage through glycation
- Fatty cuts of meat command premium prices (like ribeye and wagyu) because they provide superior satiation and nutrition compared to lean cuts
- Spices and seasonings can trigger autoimmune responses even in people eating carnivore - removing them resolved autoimmune conditions in a 60-year First Nations woman
- Growth hormone acts as a fountain of youth by maintaining the balance between tissue breakdown and repair - proper nutrition restores this hormonal function
- The top 5 chronic diseases cost an estimated $13 trillion annually in treatment, with additional productivity losses of $46 trillion, creating unsustainable economic burden
- Vegetarian to Carnivore Transformation and Weight Loss
- Andrew Gerard's Background - Magician, Hypnotist and Chris Angel Show
- Becoming Vegetarian While Filming Mind Freak Show
- Traumatic Brain Injury and Health Decline on Vegetarian Diet
- Low Testosterone and Health Problems from Plant-Based Diet
- Digestive Issues and Dreams About Eating Meat
- First Steak and Carnivore Diet Discovery
- Dramatic Weight Loss and Blood Pressure Improvements
- Testosterone Recovery Without Injections on Carnivore
- Skin Improvements, Hair Growth and Anti-Aging Effects
- Autophagy, Growth Hormone and Hormonal Balance on Carnivore
- Body Composition Changes and Visceral Fat Loss
- Mental Clarity, Sleep Quality and Energy Improvements
- Carnivore vs Plant-Based Diet Studies and Evidence
- Magic Trick Performance and Misdirection in Nutrition
- Chronic Disease Industry and Healthcare System Costs
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how could I ever imagine going back to eating being a vegetarian like I was because I did have a couple vegetarian friends believe it or not that I was quite surprised they go this is you should definitely go back to being a vegetarian I go you want me to gain 42 pounds be bloated sick have my whole back body stiff my mind foggy over like but you know what I mean like that's that's horri it's like getting somebody who's stepping out of a wheelchair I'm not hating on vegans V vegan fantastic do it works for you and I think it's great you're making conscious choices about what you're eating because most people don't most people are eating Froot Loops and gummy bears and there's diabetes OB it's a huge problem so any kind of thing I'm a fan of but I want to say I have a friend Brandon that lives in Australia and he was a ve he was a vegan for the last six years and I think partially because of me I think I got him into being a vegetarian and he's seen this transformation I mean he's also a magician we're really good friends we had really great back and forth conversations and when I was in Maui I think he called me he said I'm having a steak and what he's like yeah I really want to try this and and um I me I remember him messaging me like you know every couple of days goes I can't believe I feel incredible he goes I got so much energy my heart's pounding I feel like I'm like you know this and that and he goes there's this phase I went through and he goes but after a couple of weeks he's like this is incredible I'm not hungry I feel full and you know it's interesting that I think the conversations need to happen between vegan vegetarians everybody everyone should just talk and compare notes and analyze data to get together and that's how you kind of get to the [Music] truth welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining me for another episode of the free MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a really special guest someone that I've just had a great conversation with off camera and hoping to uh continue that on here for all of you uh to watch as well um my guest is uh Andrew Gerard he is a m um a magician hypnotist musician producer and director and uh and uh and has previously been on the Chris Angel show as well so a very well-known guy and has a great story to tell and I'm very thankful that he's here to share with all of you Andrew thank you so much for coming on hey Anthony and thanks uh thanks so much for having me on man it's uh it's very surreal talking to as I've watch so many of uh so many of your clips and I've heard you talk a lot so this is this is great yeah and the the conversation we just had um I like to talk and so to you so we probably should recorded that but we'll go through it again yeah um yeah absolutely so so people haven't uh come across you uh can you just tell us a bit about yourself and uh and what you do for sure yeah it's interesting when you hear me introduce introduce me because I I never actually say people ask me all the time whatat do you do I'm like uh I don't know where to start because I do a few different careers simultaneously so um some most people would recognize me from the the Chris Andel wine freak Show uh season one through three I lived in Vegas for three years there and that's when we really started the show that became really popular and uh so yeah and before that um I'm a magician and a hypnotist and I live in Vancouver Canada and so I spent my time performing here doing theater shows and uh all kinds of touring shows and corporate stuff and then eventually I got a uh an invitation to go play Vegas at the Riviera and uh at that time I was actually a hair stylist at the same time so I was cutting hair during the week and on the weekends I would go and be Dy the hypnotist and do these shows and so I told my my boss at the salon I said I got this opportunity I got to go to Vegas I going to go for a week and perform he's like oh you can't man is so much work you got so many clients and people and I go yeah I just got to do this and he kind of said he's like I I can't I can't I go I go all right then I quit and that was it and I was doing hairl you know 12 years and I had a whole career doing that but I knew that the power of saying yes was was on it felt like intuitive I go I have to do this because if I don't go to play Vegas was like a dream you know what I mean I'm like even it was just for one night I'm gonna go I'm going to do this and and never regret it and so I went down and performed met a ton of people magicians had come out and seen my show met other hipst what not threw a good friend of mine banich who's also on the show uh introduced me to Chris and uh they were just starting the show and um so yeah I came on board me and Chris became fast friends and I ended up uh helping uh produce and create a lot of the magic on the show and some big Illusions like walking on water and were some of the ideas that I had and uh we yeah we had a blast filming a show and meeting so many different people and um which a weird way and that was like from 2006 seven8 somewhere around there and uh in a weird way that's kind of when my transition came from being a meat eater to a a vegetarian because as people might know when you're filming six days a week uh you know 12 hours a day you have um a chef that's there that goes around with you and they cook whatever you want that day or you know there's like it's like a buffet of food so you can put in order and so I would always you know uh you'd work all day and then finally at the end of the day before you collapse you'd eat you know I have like give me some lasagna and some prime rib and this mashed potatoes and just kind of put it all together and being in Vegas it's really hard to you know so I started to put on weight during the show a little bit and if people who know me from the show is see my face it looks very different when I was you know 35 back then and now I'm 52 and um people actually think I I look younger now than I did then and recently people thought I've had you know an actual surgic operation or lipos suction or something to my face and I have had nothing done at all um and uh yeah so then I went on from that Mind Freak Show came home and the next day I got a phone call from David Blaine who's another uh incredible magician that everyone I'm sure knows and I went to New York and worked with him on his special and then I ping ponged to another magician in Ireland Keith Barry did a bunch of TV shows with him for about 10 12 years in LA and Ireland traveling around the world that led to South Africa to a whole series there and and all around the world so and then I kind of became this kind of creator and producer of these magic TV series and working with talented magicians and hypnotists and crafting the show from the ground up and I had no training as a producer or anything I learned literally on the ground and then built my way up to being the the creator of of shows now and um and I stopped performing uh in 2011 on Halloween at 3 o00 I got rear ended in my little sports car by a big truck and I took a gallon of paint to the back of my head and it knocked out my uh partially detached my retina my eye I've lost uh 50% 60% of hearing in this ear and about 25 in this ear separated my shoulder my whole body wrenched and I had a traumatic brain injury and um so that was a good year and a half going through Specialists and uh concussion Therapy Clinic and and kind of being taken off off of TV completely I was like on a couch for a few months and it was there that that I think my whole life changed like me as a person kind of changed after that uh because I went from being in front of the camera to thinking who am I what am I going to be and um and after after I started to to heal a couple of two three years later and getting back as much as I could and now I think I'm probably 90% 80 90% of what I was maybe like quite a bit sprung back but more on that in a second um and at the time my wife was a vegetarian my agent was a vegetarian and my manager is a vegetarian and I like to eat ribs so I thought one night I came home and I said you know I want to try being a vegetarian I say really I said yeah I'm try I'll try it for a week or two or whatever till I miss meat you know because it just intuitively I go I don't understand eating a meal without the meat on a plate so anyway a week goes by and we do things like veggie burgers and you know Pizza without you know meat on whatever and I didn't really miss meat like I'll do it another week four weeks goes by and all of a sudden um my wife like you know it's been a month you know and I'm like yeah this is messed up I kind of want to go back I'm G to go get some chicken breast so I went to the store and get chicken breast but when I saw the chicken breast boness skinless chicken breast it something in my brain it looked like too fleshy to me and and just the texture of it it looked weird and I didn't want to touch it and I'm like in that moment I was like what's going on and so I realized and kind of being a hypnotist and a magician I'm like going okay okay brain what is this what's going on here you know have I taken on some idea that meat is bad now because I'm eating vegetarian is because becoming a vegetarian and this is just my own Journey I'm not preaching to anybody becoming a vegetarian is very appealing because there's lots of free stuff it's like when you know you get a a gift bag and you go into there's a lot of goodies that come with being a vegetarian instantly you're the better person you're the moral person you're Kinder you're compassionate you just walk around and go I am I'm amazing I'm a vegetarian how could I do anything wrong right yeah there's this free part of yourself that you discover so I remember going okay this this was interesting to me but so anyway my my wife at the time she said you know um why don't you just continue with the vegetarian and see how you feel I was like sure and she was a vegetarian I was so we just kind of ended up being a vegetarian and I did that for like 16 18 years like you know yeah so 16 years I think and eventually after the brain injury and and I realized you know I have to get myself physically back in shape because I gained some weight and I found it really hard I found my I was getting tired and exhausted and you know have to have naps in the day and my muscles had had you know deteriorate I haven't trained for a couple years and I used to be in really good shape so um and eventually I realized that something was wrong so I went to the doctor and they said you know we tested your your your your testosterone levels and and they're pretty low and at that time like okay well you know what what should I do and they said would I think we're going to put you on injectable testosterone testosterone anate to be specific I go okay what's that gonna do well hopefully so they gave me some testosterone and a couple weeks later I kind of remember going oh that feels better you know I feel like I have energy again because my testosterone was low I think the number was somewhere around six or nine in Canada the measurement system might be off for what the states is but and it was very low so I okay that's that's what's going on with me so I kept doing that but being a vegetarian being a testosterone having a separated shoulder not being able to kind of work out the same it's very discouraging and I had lots of inflammation in my body So eventually fast forward to nine months ago my stomach one day just started chilling I had some cabbage and K and I just felt bloated I remember laying in bed in so much pain I couldn't roll my side I was like oh my what is this went to my doctor they gave me pills for dyspepsia then I went through tests and tested me for IBS gird acid reflux uh the whole ultrasound looking for pancreatic cat tumor blood test all this he goes your stomach's just a mess and it looks you know you're not getting it proper nutrition I'm like but I'm a vegetarian I'm the best person you know you know how how can you say that I just had a t tofu Burger you know I'm like what do you mean so and so uh yeah so I went home and I had a dream that I was eating meat I had about five or 10 dreams over the course of maybe four weeks that I was eating meat and I and it was so strange I'm going what is going on and I told my mom and she's a yoga teacher is a very spiritual person and she said well you know maybe you should listen to your subconscious and I'm going huh and I talked to another friend of mine Nash older gentleman photographer that I work with in the studio and he said the same thing he's like you know and and being a magician I've never married to any idea that doesn't serve me I don't want to be deceived I don't want to be you know tricked or con so I go okay you know I can I can I'll try and have some meat and just to just to go back when I first became a vegetarian by the way I didn't do it because of any higher morality or anything like that I wish I did but I just didn't I know that's just the truth I have to be honest and I remember meeting a girl that was a vegan and when she said you're a vegetarian and she said you're a hypocrite your shoes are leather and I for real going my shoes are leather I'm a what like I like I'm not eating my shoes like what she's like no but they came from a cow she had made this assumption that I had this like moral High ground with animals or something which you know I think the way animals treated is bad in in in a lot of situations and that kind of farming get that's a different conversation but and I told her I said you know I I'm not a vegetarian because of the reasons that you think you know what I mean I said I have friends that go hunt and kill deer and eat deer and I I'll go with them I'm just not going to eat it she was just like stunned and I realize that not all vegans but many of them it's a very it can be a very cult-like or very you know narrow param like you got to fit in you got to think this one way and I don't like that I think every even when I was a vegetarian I'm like you want to eat meat go eat meat now that I'm a carnivore I'm like you want to eat tofu all cook e whatever you want you know what I mean like everyone should do what serves them that that's not a crazy idea to think people should be able to make their own decisions on their health I just think that that's pretty normal anyway the uh to pick it up I um I went and had a steak my buddy John Bryant who's a famous singer took me out to the keg and we had a steak and um and I went to A&W I had a A&W Patty because it was a grass-fed free rrange beef and I thought okay and I felt amazing I all this idea in my mind this Boogeyman of oh what if I'm going to throw up what is my body GNA do nothing I felt amazing that's what and I went to bed I had another one and I videotaped myself the first six times I ate meat thinking something's gonna happen and I just felt better and better and all of a sudden um August 1st we went in our little RV up to toino surfing and I said to my wife I just I just want to have a seek nothing else she was like okay and I just started eating steak and I said I don't want any season I'll just salt it and I just that was all I was eating is steak and then you know a couple weeks later I had some like a couple pieces of bacon and and steak and I felt great and all of a sudden this water started coming off and then I talked to an actor friend of mine on the phone after about a month Callin Cunningham amazing guy know for 30 years and and I told him what was going through goes yeah dude the carnivore died and I go the what he goes it's called the car I'm on it that's all I do dude he goes you got to get the butcher's cut the uh with a Chucky it's it's cheaper and he tells me I go what do you mean carnivore what the hell is this he goes just here I'll send you a link and he sends you a link to your thing and I'm like oh my God this is already a thing so I didn't discover the carnival di train I was just organically doing it because my brain told me to and I just like I just naturally gravitated toward doing this and then I discovered what it was after and I'm like go so other people do this and then I watched Michaela Peterson she had a whole video of line D she called it I'm like this is like the strangest thing because I didn't have any anybody telling me to do this I just kind of did it on my own and uh yeah then instantly I started dropping weight I went down from 242 at my heaviest to right now I'm approximately 197 and my blood pressure used to be 160 my doctor was worried about it I had the onset of fatty liver disease they were worried about and uh I went and got my blood tested four months after being on Carnivore my doctor didn't even say hi to me when I came in to the room he just sat down and then he came in after and he looked at me and he's like dude what's going on with your blood and I go uhoh and I go you tell me and he goes I didn't say hi to you because I didn't recognize you your face looks you look completely I go what I go really because you see yourself every day and basically uh he he goes your blood is incredible your blood pressure is like 1 over8 over 74 your fatty Li you don't have any problems that you're you're good all across the board he goes this is the best blood work you've had since I've seen you he goes what do you he goes but your testosterone's higher than a lot higher how much are you injecting and I go injecting I go I stopped it three months ago I just for some reason want just to cancel it out he's like well you're at like um 21 or 23 now and you used to be at like 16 or or something like that and I go I'm not taking it he's like what so I'm like has my endocrine system somehow come back online like and I'm not I thought am I ingesting anabolic steroids from the beef because I'm getting all just like grass-fed uh grass finish beef from this single butcher from a family in Alberta so I'm eating I'm like going he's like this is a he goes so what are you doing I said this is all I'm doing is a carnivore diet and then he looks at me because I know my doctor is a good friend and he's he's from um Alberta and he's like that's the best possible thing you could do for your for your health and I went wow I was like okay he like the only better thing is you could go and hunt your own meat so you know exactly what you're getting and it's he goes that that's you're going to live to your 100 and I goes your cholesterol is a little bit High goes my oldest patients have high it's not bad and I go okay and then I had so I'm like retroactively playing catchup going like how it seems like there's two worlds or two realities here I go how do some people know things and some people don't and then my brain kicks in and goes this is like a magic trick like you know and they don't know how the Trick's done and this is like a weird thing there's just people that don't have access to all of the data or old data or they haven't analyzed it properly or they're too IDE ideologically you know narrowed off into this mindset where they can't accept the idea that there might be more than what they know and personally I've always gone forward with the you know the mindset that someone I'm talking to or disagree with may know something I don't and maybe I should listen up and and learn uh and maybe but maybe they're wrong too but that's never going to happen until you have you know a conversation about it so yeah it's been now um since August 1st to now and um my my wife who's a yoga teacher and uh and a very successful actress in The Yoga world you know being she's a vegetarian when she was up until about four weeks ago in in ma she just came to goes I want a steak and she's like she can't believe the transformation of me she's seen me you know just everything so good and she's just like and she has you know scoliosis and her back is store all the time she say yoga so she started eating meat and now she's on the train with me and she feels and looks amazing she's like all the collagen like I think I I was going to ask you I had like really deep set wrinkles here lines of my face before and they're kind of gone like I still have some my forehead but I could probably find a picture and show you I look pretty dramatically different than I did and I'm like what's going on with my skin and hair has gotten really thick here it used to be a little thinner and drier now my hair is growing like a weed my my skin is like all better like you don't have any like red dots here anymore and yeah is that is that the collagen to meat or what's is it is is it just a yeah it can actually be and hormonal as well you know when you get your right balance of hormones growth hormone I guarantee you your testosterone is not the only thing that went up I guarantee that your growth hormone went up as well growth hormone is sort of like a fountain of youth it sort of keeps your tissue rebuilding and healthy and and and helps to sort of regenerate and so you have sort of a balance of breakdown and repair in your tissue and growth hormone a big part of that repair side of things and so when that starts coming down you start repairing less than you're breaking down that's that's aging so our tissue starts to break down and decompensate uh estrogen is important men need estrogen just like women need testosterone and when um when especially like in women when their estrogen levels come way down start getting those really deep set wrinkles and those vertical lines around the the upper lip and lower that that's from lack of estrogen and that uh and that's important for collagen health and deposition as well um hair loss can also be attributed to a lot of things low thyroid but also hyper insulinemia so high insulin high blood sugar chronically over time is going to raise your insulin and high insulin you know we we know about insulin because it it it lowers blood sugar and so we give that to diabetics so they can lower their blood sugar but we forget that it affects over 100 different processes in our body and and if you get that out of balance it will affect them very negatively so you can't go through autophagy that's something that people say well you need to fast for at least 72 hours to get that autophagy and so even people on a carnivore diet they say oh I need to fast for periods of time to get autophagy autophagy comes when your insulin is down and your insulin is going to come down when you just stop eating carbohydrates so it's not fasting that's giving you autophagy it's just not eating carbs that's giving you autophagy we're supposed to be having autophagy all the time that should just be a normal problem process we don't have to do that once every few months to try to revamp and Revitalize ourselves we should be constantly doing that all the time and just always our best all the time and that happens if you just don't eat carbohydrates if you're just eating your natural meat only diet you'll get that and so we're getting turnover of cells we're getting turnover the internal parts of the cells called the organel like our mitochondria and so on and that just makes the cells work better makes our our our bodies better our skin better our hair better and a lot of people start getting thicker hair as well some people get a bit nervous because they might start losing especially women you know they have long hair and they'll they'll say like oh okay it's Getting Thinner what the hell is going on and um it can trigger a Fallout phase but it generally then grows back as long as they're eating enough and they're not malnourished um though it'll grow back it'll grow back thicker it's just it's not noticeable for a while because the hair is longer and so it takes a long long to to grow in but after a few months to have someone look and be like oh yeah they have these little new Buds and Sprouts coming in and they'll come in thicker and nicer that's what a lot of people notice so yeah there there are a lot of different mechanisms collagen is certainly one of them but also how your body uses collagen is hormonally driven with testosterone estrogen growth hormone and Insulin as well you know so hyper High insulin causes all sorts of problems you know you should be you know at a nice no normal low level of insulin call it five you know so you should be at five and maybe little variations little ups and downs but not very much and then you eat carbohydrates it jumps up to 35 well at five it's affecting all these 100 plus mechanisms out of five but then jumps up now it's affecting everything to 35 and so now that's all messed up but then when you're doing this chronically over years and years and years you get insulin resistance and you have to have more insulin to do the same job starts you know do the same job for their blood sugar it's now it's affecting other things far more radically and so now you're fasting inul at a 14 and then a 16 and a 20 hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show for everybody down in Australia Stockman steaks who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to Door something I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beef heart as well well so use code chaffy today for free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com and I'll see you over there thanks guys I had a gentleman that came in uh two weeks ago and he had a fasting insulin of 72 right that should it should never be over nine right and uh and so fasting he hadn't eaten in 24 hours and his insulin was 72 so he obviously had a lot of metabolic issues and health issues so yeah it makes a massive difference and all of a sudden it hits all those things it can disrupt your hormones so high insulin will block the action of growth hormone and so it can block the secretion and action of growth hormone so if you have insulin that's too high you will suppress your growth hormone you'll suppress the action of growth hormon so you'll get less igf1 and all these other things um and people say oh my God you don't want too much igf-1 stop eating meat you're going to get your igf-1 go up and that can make tumors grow well makes everything grow it makes your body grow it keeps your body alive and elastic and if it's too low that's when you age you age quite dramatically so it's not about getting this too high and being like someone with acromegaly or something like that and having those sorts of problems it's just getting it back to physiological levels just it's just taking the anchor off your back and so that you can swim you know and allowing your body to just do its job and so you get rid of those things the insulin comes down uh your and your testosterone will go up as well as a result of that and you're also getting rid of these hormonal disruptors from yeah plants as well that will significantly curtail your testosterone but it also it also lower it lowers men's testosterone it lowers women's estrogen because women make testosterone first and then that gets converted into estrogen right right insulin blocks the conversion of testosterone into estrogen and so as that goes up as your testosterone goes up it you get less and less estrogen so people go going through early menopause there women in their 20s and 30s going through menopause now having primary ovarian failure it's like it's not it's not good you know it's interesting you're talking about you know growth hormone changes too because you know back when I was younger I was quite fit in a gym guy and I noticed when I was a vegetarian my weight could go up and I mean I never thought I'd get below like 220 I thought that that would be you know but I noticed if I go up or down 10 15 pounds um my body would stay the same like the same composition the same outline same silhouette I'd rather be a a a skinnier or bigger version but the same thing but now the the fat around my organs What's this called visceral fat whatever that that bloaty fat that's gone and then my lats and back like the shape of my body overall has totally changed which has been really trippy and a little bit expensive of being honest because I was like an XL and then when I lost weight I'm like oh my God I'm a large I got to go like my 36 pants I can go down I'm getting 34 and I did all new clothes and see a fat clothes and those go in the bags and then uh eight weeks later I'm like these are two bag back now I'm a medium in a size 32 waste I'm going I got to buy all new clothes again so you know being a film director now I went to a set sale where they sold off all the clothes for about 300 shows so I got like new jeans for five bucks so I got I got I got a deal there but still it's been uh it's been tricky B you know the only thing that stay the same as my shoe size I was quite amazed because but just the way clothes fit now you know like little things when you had like having a traumatic brain injury and being really out of shape and not being able to bend down to toe my shoes and stand up without feeling dizzy like that's a you know people take that for granted or having a separated shoulder I couldn't do this and reach up and get anything off a thing because it was like oh it was like this this impingement you know where it comes around so it was really messed up all of that's gone and all the inflammation my body all that back pain that I thought was going to be with me forever from the accident where it goes out and I'm laying down for two days and baths and Ice nothing nothing nothing I couldn't do three push-ups before my shoulder would start shaking I can very easily drop and do 25 30 push-ups right now without even thinking about it which is like it's like getting a second chance and you know it brings me around to when I got in that car accident a week after that I was supposed to fly out and go do my own show and all that my whole life changed I had to scrambling you know it was a really really rough period but now here we are just a month ago because I feel like I look good my confidence and all the multitasking part like I had this brain fog after the brain injury I couldn't multitask I couldn't if I'm doing magic it's like I can't remember you know their cards or whatever it is I'm just like oh this is really really rough so but all that seems to gone I mean in in a lot of ways so much so that I did my very first theater show at 100 old York theater here in Vancouver sold out show with my friend Paul and after then I did a private party for one of my actor friends dor and he turned 50 and it was like 300 actors and directors and stuff all Hollywood people they went nuts and and after the show guy comes in says hey you want to do a TV show I got you know a bunch of uh actors here so I'm like all right so now you know I haven't told anybody yet this is probably but I'm doing a pilot now coming up next month for my own show called Andrew Gerard magic of the mind and I'm totally back and it's like I feel good I just did a photo shoot and I'm looking at the pictures going huh okay that's crazy you know what I mean like CU that was a done part of my life I thought oh no I'm like a bad shoulder my back I'm too no energy I'm chubby now I got my face is all bloated my I I just now I'm out I'm I'm I you know I'm too old now I'm I'm 50 50 years old and and there's no one wants to see a you know a guy like that on TV but now I'm feel fantastic so I'm I'm actually like getting a second chance at my dream again here like this is round two which is is unheard of and you know it's like for me I'm like this never you know would have happened so it's uh it if just that was the only thing I'd be I'd feel ecstatic but it's just so many things you know the like I said earlier in our chat um this feeling I can't describe it it was like I had a fog in my brain and I couldn't really focus on anything too hard and I'd get like it was just strange even um even if I slept really good all night I go out I remember seeing people 14 hours and they go oh you look tired I'm like what like my had you know my eyes were I'm was just like I could never get fully rested and then when I ate I'd never get totally full so now I've noticed my sleep on being carnivore I sleep so good I have this warm ball of light in the center of my chest when I down I go and every my mind doesn't wander anymore I sleep like a baby and then when I eat I feel full like really full for hours I go how I ate like you know a steak this morning it's 10 hours I feel fantastic tons of energy I guess that's the insulin just not up and down I don't have any I don't e any sugar I don't e any carbs at all so I don't really need to you know and I think it's a weird it's like you're giv this superpower to like people think you have a strong willpower to go how do you not eat pizza I'm like I don't want pizza but how do you not have chips and a Coca-Cola I go I crave zero sugar and they go how have you got strong willpower M it's not willpower like it's the same way that you have a heroin addict that craves heroin I'm not addicted to sugar carbs anymore I don't crave it I don't even think about it and as a matter of fact it was like maybe four weeks ago I tasted a little bit of white sugar just to test myself and I tasted some sugar on the end of my finger and it tasted it didn't taste what I remember sugar to be like it it wasn't really like sweet it was kind of like chemically like it was very very very strange reminds when I tasted Splendid for the first time I was like oh this is not good I I didn't like it at all I don't crave any anything like yeah the being able to not crave stuff and uh it's crazy and I want to say people say carnivore diet and to me when you think of I think of a diet I think of like well I got to stop with the normal regular thing is and do this special diet for a bit it's going to be hard and I gotta struggle and starve myself and that's the diet you know like and it's a bad word because eating this way isn't a diet it's just it's just this should for me is just my normal Baseline it's not a diet it's like just the simplest thing and because diets you're weighing food and timing your meals and measuring cups and Tupper wees and preparing things and staying I just live my life and then when I'm hungry I eat salted red meat and drink water and then I'm fine and that's it like that's it you know what I mean like I how could you be a a carnivore diet coach and charge anyone it's like you know it's like I'll charge you a dollar eat red meat when you're hungry go live your life that's it you know what I mean it's like how simple is that you know what I mean it just seems so I don't know yeah it seems so obvious yeah well it is and that and that's the thing is that um you know I people kept asking me like would do you do consultations you consultations I mean I mean I was like I mean I could I'm just going to tell you to eat meat though like that's that's what I'm going to do like like that that's gonna be just the whole compass in in in one sentence is is I'm going to tell you to eat meat and not eat anything else um and so that's why I do them because I I just keep getting people that that ask me for these but I have like this whole big disclaimer and say listen this is what I'm going to suggest to you I'm going to tell you to eat I think this is the way to do it I I make all these videos available for free they're all on the internet here's a playlist that you should go through if if your questions are hopefully answered in there if they're not answered in there you have specific things that you need help with then I can help you after that but like you don't don't you shouldn't pay me you know to just tell you to eat meat because that's you know that's not good enough so I try to like filter people out that they can just look at my videos and then so the people that that do come to me they're more specific you know sort of healthy their kid has epilepsy and autism and they're they're trying to struggle how to figure out how this is going to work for them and things like that so you're sort of deal with different problems they're like okay we're we're bought in we want to try the meat thing how the hell do we do this in this situation you know and um and so that can be a bit uh a bit more specific but yeah I agree you know it's just that is that is what it comes down to is just please eat meat don't don't eat anything else that's pretty much it and I wanted to to mention something just so people don't get the wrong idea and like I said you know I'm uh you know people it's hard to please everybody obviously you know with with with I so I just want to say everyone live your life and do what you want I'm just sharing part of my life and hopes that maybe somebody that if someone's suffering like I did they go hey I want to try and you're better then that's it if one person get that's it's worth it for me and you know my my wife she and I and I should say this before when I was when I became a vegetarian I didn't do it for any ethical moral High Ground I didn't do I'm just being honest that just wasn't where my mind says I learned uh a little bit about the you know Mass farming industry and some of the hor horror stories and that it was so I understand and I learned about that and I and and and that's another conversation but I wanted to say that when I came a vegetarian I didn't have any sensitivity towards animals in that way even though that's what most people do but now that I'm a carnivore I I am a very spiritual person I'm more spiritual now that ever been me and my wife hold our hands and we pray for and the thanks of this animal's life and I honor it in a way that I feel like I would I never did when I was a vegetarian which is kind of counterintuitive to most people think oh you're a carnivore and you know I think if you learn how Hunters hunt or you know indigenous people they honor and eat every part of that animal and use the fur I mean it's a really different it's a different mindset I think and you know my wife she since she started e me she you know prays and she but she holistically goes this gives you like a sense of like grounding and not flightiness like she had with um being a vegetarian and both of us actually were technically I guess pescitarians because once a month or so I'd have some tuna and but every time I had tuna I was like oh this is like so good and that was like the hint to me to go why is it that when I have a little bit of that amount of prot that I just feels so good and nothing else felt like that and you know it's I'm not hating on vegans vegan fantastic do it works for you and I think it's great you're making conscious choices about what you're eating because most people don't most people are eating Froot Loops and gummy bears and there's diabetes OB it's a huge problem so any kind of thing I'm a fan of but I want to say I have a friend Brandon that lives in Australia and he was a v he was a vegan for the last six years and I think partially because of me I think I got him into being a vegetarian and he's seen this transformation I me he's also a magician we're really good friends we had really great back and forth conversations and when I was in Maui I think he called me he said I'm having a steak and I go what he's like yeah I really want to try this and I and um I me I remember him messaging me like you know every couple of days goes I can't believe I feel incredible he goes I got so much energy my heart's pounding I feel like I'm like you know this and that and he goes there's this phase I went through and he goes but after a couple weeks he's like this is incredible I'm not hungry I feel full and you know so it's interesting that I think the conversations need to happen between vegan vegetarians everybody everyone should just talk and compare notes and analyze data together and that's how you kind of get to the truth or you know whatever the truth is or some objective facts and I don't think that we have enough time now of people together I mean my sto you could people could say well my story is anecdotal and yours is too but we've got maybe a thousand 10,000 50 what do you get 100,000 anecdotal stories and you have all people with like I I still have to find some really negative side effects from people doing this the stories in the comments and I know you people watching this the comments you guys everyone's like you here's my story I was diabetic for 40 I read them all I've read every single comment on all your video it's incred everyone's got the same story I go this is like data this is not anecdotal anymore you have literally tens of thousands of people now doing this and all with the same story so hopefully enough time and science becomes um you know there is solid science around this but just a general consensus to the public it takes you know a decade maybe for people's mind Shi to to to switch over and go okay maybe there's another way maybe maybe that you know the industry that that's a trillion dollar industry giving us processed sugary carb food so that we get all these diseases and then have to take another trillion dollar worth of medications to fix what we're doing to ourselves maybe that's a broken idea maybe there's a better way of saying you know wait whether it's vegetarian vegan carnivore maybe there's a better way of eating better food to fuel your body so that you can live a fulfilled grounded full life and and you know and and do things because I I was in a the worst place that was like I hit the wall you know and thankfully my subconscious uh gave me dreams of eating meat it's so strange you know I listened so yeah well you know you like like you said you know our our stories are anecdotal but then you have thousands more people hundreds of thousands really millions of people that are doing this now but the the thing that people don't realize is that the most rigorously studied diet on Earth with the highest levels of evidence with randomized control trials Interventional trials looking for specific outcomes in health and and and so on is the key to diet there literally thousands of these things right the plant-based diets they're all survey studies they're retrospective right so you have someone so the nursal studies classic for this and this is what they'll Trot out all the time or the Adventist trials all these things basically give you a a survey and say what did you eat last year how the how the hell would you know that I mean I know that because I've only eaten the same damn thing every meal every day for the last you know several years but you know they're not going to they're not going to know anything and then they count uh processed food fast food like pizza just fast food in general how many times did you go to go out for fast food oh I went out six times a week that's meat you know lasagna that's meat pizza that's meat right so you they're they're intentionally manipulating this data the nurses study I know some of the nurses in the nurses study and they they say they're like yeah once a year you get an email says like fill out this questionnaire on what you ate last year it's like how well how would you know that you know these people earn it for multi years why wouldn't you say hey keep track of every meal you eat for the next year if you could do that you know that might actually be some decent data as long as you didn't count Pizza as meat and things like that but um it's very poor quality inherently but the the ketogenic diet is a very rigorously studyed that's really the only diet that's been studied rigorously to that extent and it's gone head-to-head with the DASH diet Beat It soundly and what a what is a ketogenic diet people don't think about that well ketogenic diet just means don't eat carbs okay but that means you're eating something else instead of carbs right yeah what are you replacing it you're replacing with fat and protein where's that fat and protein come from well you could do it at a plant-based plant fats and plant proteins be very difficult be almost impossible to get enough energy and you'd have to take copious amounts of supplements to get uh all the vitamins and minerals that you're missing not to mention all the acids and and all those sorts of things and the bioavailab ility and all obviously plant toxins it wouldn't be great but that's not what these Studies have used they use animal-based ketogenic diets they replace carbohydrates with meat and animal fat and so what people don't realize is that those studies the most rigorously studied diet on Earth that has been shown to be the most efficacious for specific medical outcomes like reversing type 2 diabetes reversing autoimmunity and improving Health by other metrics losing weight losing body fat and a just losing overall fat because or overall body mass because people say oh they lost weight they lost 20 pounds that's great ketogenic diet they lost 20 pounds too oh maybe it's maybe it's just the same but you look at these other ones they lost 14 pounds of fat five pounds of muscle and one pound of bone you know o is really bad for that you lose a lot of lean body mass as opposed to Fat you lose fat too but you lose lean body mass also and then after two years two years people gain regain more weight than they lost that's a that's a losing AR that's literally deal with the devil you know where it looks good at first but then on the back end you went wow I was I was taking advantage of um with a ketogenic diet yeah you've lost 20 pounds but 25 of that was fat and you put on four pounds of muscle and gained a pound of bone right that's obiously a much better Dynamic so the most and and those are just numbers I've sort of made up but there are studies that show interesting disparities like that where these other diets um you're losing fat and lean body mass whereas on these uh animal-based ketogenic diets you're you're losing fat and you're putting on lean body mass and that's an important distinction so the most rigorously studied diet on Earth is an animal-based diet it's a meat-based diet it's carnivore light it's carnivore with a side salad that's what it is and I think that when we get rid of that side salad we probably find that that a carnivore diet's even better than that but right now today the most R studied diet is a whole food animal based diet that is high in animal fat and um I think the when people realize that uh more and more and we start propagating that you know people are going to start um really understanding there actually is a a ton of evidence supporting this wow wow yeah it's it's um it's like a game you know because there's so many variables and like you said how do you know this this and this which one of you know you really have to eliminate it down to the Bare Bones to get the the the Baseline data of going okay we we if we just eat this one thing you know like you said if you'd had a uh it's keto light you know a steak with a side salad and if you said well just eat the side salad with one group and then the other group just eat the steak and then the third group eat the steak inside and you'll see really clearly where the nourishment you know then it becomes obvious but it's funny that that process you know reverse engineering thing is kind of a magician's mindset because we have to reverse engineer how people's perspectives and perceptions are the world around them to be able to inverse it again to manipulate some of those you know uh things it's it's kind of like your the way we think of reality is like um you know like a uh like a bank and there's a security guard but there's kind of Corners you can't see and we got to Tippy Toe Through those shadowy Corners where your perception might not be so uh sharp and uh to be honest a lot of those same tactics are used in advertising and marketing to but it's like this little um uh game of reverse engineering So when you say yeah you you know gained lost 20 pounds well what's the composition of that 20 pounds you lose 20 pounds of fat and retained all the muscle or you lose 20 pounds of muscle you know that's a big deal and I think if you switch that backwards and told anyone hey do you want you know for 500 bucks we'll sell you 20 pounds of food they'd say well what's the food do you know what I mean you'd be very interested in the content of those groceries you know you don't know what you're buying and it's kind of the same thing uh the other way around what you put in your body is going to determine uh the results so it's um yeah it's a fascinating uh it's a fascinating puzzle and I think you're right there's you know just time is going to be the the uh the answer here to find out everything that people um will need to know but mind you i' I've seen a couple of you know again anecdotal stories of people that have been just eating red meat for 50 years I mean it's pretty pretty pretty crazy you know to think um yeah it's uh but I did notice my composition like I said my I dropped all this weight but then I gained back two or three pounds but it was like more muscle than fat because my waist is smaller and my shoulders are much bigger and I'm like oh all my clothes fit differently now so it's not just a bigger smaller version of myself you know I don't want to be a a big a big fat guy or a skinny fat guy do you know what I mean I want you you know and so I think changing your body composition is definitely protein is is is the thing with that so it's um yeah it's incredible now yeah it's it's been really exciting and I want to say um if you if you like for your viewers I wouldn't be much of a magician if I an offer to do some a quick magic trick a little interactive magic that'd be awesome absolutely okay yeah let's do it so I have a little uh we're G play a little game let me go down here I'm sitting at my my this is my little practice table this is where I spent can you see that okay yeah right here yeah okay so we'll play we'll play a little game there there's a black three that's the three of clubs that card doesn't matter this card the red Ace that's the card that you're going to want to follow that's the let's say that's the Tomahawk Steak okay and then the two that one doesn't matter either so um normally guys do this in the table and they mix the cards up I'm not going to do that I'm just going to do it out in the open here so hopefully you can see that you can see the ace right there in the middle I'll take the three and I'll put it here here's the Ace in the middle and then I'm going to put the two over here now your job Anthony is to chase the ace and you guys at home do the same thing you know where the ace is right now in the middle I hope that and I do that where's the Ace oh my right or left here yeah this one that's the one that everybody says and they end up going for the three and I try to tell you that I to to try we'll do it again I'll do it a second time in this way I'll even give you a hint I'll even give you a hint I'll bring it in a little closer and to be honest this whole thing works because of this ring and you'll see why in a second so there's the cars right you can see them the three of the ace the the ace is in the middle so if I leave the Ace in the middle now you know what what card to follow right mhm and that's the problem with it's just like information everyone's following the wrong information off the bat so you can't really make any good conclusions if you're not getting the right data in the first place now explain how this works I'll use the ring we'll get rid of the we'll get rid of the three and I'll just do it with the ace and the two now watch this here's I'll put my finger on the ace can you see that okay if I turn it over I can actually pull this card back and push it so they old switch AO that's what happens here so you see the card here if I put the ace here and I turn it down did you see it that time yeah where's where's the Ace left or right yeah on the right this one here yeah no no the ace is here I told you it's under the ring that's where [Laughter] the never play cards with strangers and I wasn't lying when I said that that the ring this ring actually is the secret of this whole thing because watch if I take it and I throw it up it just goes back onto my finger anyway so that's pretty Christ yeah that's how the hell did you do that hey I I do I do magic you you you cut up tomahawks with your shirt off what do you want well that's it yeah we we each have our SK there you go we have our skill set yeah well that's awesome man well thank you for that that was crazy um yeah no problem wow Jesus um well you know that's um it it was interesting when you said that you know that that like you that you came across this and you were say thinking like Gees you know has this affected me you know as you as as as a magician have I been taken advantage of has someone done a trick on me you know and they they've hidden the ace you know and then you started looking at that you start spotting the trick and like okay you know that that's what's going on here um that's um I I think that I mean well I you know I wonder how many of these these techniques that you use as as misdirection that are used in propaganda and marketing and things like that as well probably a lot lots I'll tell you you I can't tell you how much I mean I've done lots of Consulting and I've turned down lots of Consulting gigs and I can't say for who but I'll tell you there's been compies that say we'd like you to come and have a look at this and tell us how we could use you know language and and and and things is it possible to put hypnosis in a commercial is it possible do this and it's been like yeah I don't want to spawn any conspiracy theories people get upset but it's it's AB if people don't know that there's companies with billions of dollars to spend to get you to buy stuff I think that's pretty common knowledge I think people know that what extent they'll go to do it you know think if it was you you know what I mean and and so it's a uh yeah it's it's it's one of these things where you don't have to be a magician you just kind of have to think like one a little bit you have to sit back and go okay you know when a when someone says look it's a regular deck of cards right you go why would he say that is that could it is that wi because it's a trick deck of cards you know what I mean it's like you have to kind of you know my father taught me you know to gather facts analyze data and make the best decision can with those facts but always be prepared to change number three should you get new data come in and that's that's just that's just common knowledge I think I I don't know why that's even you know any kind under any kind of contention to go you know like we should we should only be doing what's what's best and right and uh and everyone should be free to do that you know what I mean I don't think that I've never told anybody how to live their life or what to eat I just do my own thing and you know peace and love to all but it's um I think sometimes when people share their stories uh it can influence people which by the way in case it wasn't clear I didn't buy the carnivore diet book or something I I just did this on my own and then discovered what it was after so you can imagine if there's a continent that hasn't been discovered and there's a guy out there with blonde hair like me he's just going to do this on his own that's what's naturally going to happen if you're in the wild you don't know the world you're going to hunt a rabbit and kill it and eat it over fire even if you're a vegan that's what you're doing you know what I mean you're not going to walk around plucking grass and trying to you know what I mean find like I think that that it is the most organic natural human ex way of existence and you know uh I'm sure there's people there are spiritual that you know believe that the the world functions in such a way that um everything was put here to feed something else you know what I mean and there's this I've kind of learned this sad reality that that's a very a big truth that in order for some things to live other things die and not I'm not talking about human talking about every single animal every single organism every single the whole evolutionary system is fine-tuned for for that equation yeah so there's there there is some holistic spiritual aspect of this of accepting the the nature of things and uh but I do think that you know the farming industry needs a whole overhaul and there's there's all kinds of that's like I said that's a separate conversation you know I don't end any kind of Cruelty to and I don't think that eating animals is being cruel to animals the same way that I wouldn't tell a l how dare you eat that deer you know what I mean whatever I mean this is it's it's yeah I think we uh and everyone has to do it right them if there's people watching that feel hey I feel like exact everything you're saying but with vegan good you I'm your biggest fan I will cook you a tofu Burger I don't have any any hate for anyone so but um yeah yeah hey guys just want to take a second to thank 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and raise them in a protected healthy safe environment protect them from predators protect you know heal them from harm and and treat them well and then have as most as as quick instant and painless to death as it is possible to have which is nothing's perfect there's no nice way to kill anything but the methods we have now are as close to instant as it is possible to be they go out instantly and they or other knock them out instantly and they cut the throat or they have a Pneumatic Hammer that just pops out back their brain stem and or electric electric uh electrocutes them or you know shoot them in the head and they drop all those sorts very quick and there's no nice way to do that but that I I I you do the best that you can and I don't think you get to deviate from that you don't get to arm animals you don't get to make them suffer you don't get to them and be n to them and that's why we have laws that say that that say you don't get to do that and you can go to jail you should go to jail for that but um you know you can vote with your pocketbook like you said you went you're going to you know a specific rancher in uh in Alberta and um that's what I I try to do as well you know and I try to to Source my meat from places that that I like how they raise the animals not everyone can do that but the more we do that the more we vote with our pocketbook the more people will start adopting those those practices that are better for the environment they're better for the animal and they're better for us as an end product and um and then it becomes cheaper and more available you know um you were you were talking about how these companies have you know billions of dollars in in marketing Co Pepsi alone has a $2 billion uh marketing budget um but does that include their research Department because cocacola just Coca-Cola spends 11 times the amount of money on nutritional research than the NIH the National Institutes of Health right so that's just Coca-Cola that's not Pepsi and Kelloggs and Nestle and General Mills and all these other sorts of massive multinational companies as well is that part of their marketing budget or is that that to the side because that is marketing they're putting out uh these propaganda type studies that say that Sugar's good for you and helps you lose weight and you know all these sorts of things just like the tobacco companies who bought into the the processed food companies by the way they were putting out for decades studies that said no no no no smoking doesn't cause cancer it doesn't cause emphy it's not it's not addictive and of course it is and we knew that they were lying and now we we know that these guys are lying too and yet we're allowing them to get on it um their multi-trillion dollar industry just like he said and the the sick industry not the healthcare industry but the sick care industry where we just sort of treat and put Band-Aids on on illnesses as opposed to Trea as opposed to curing them if you're going to treat a infection you go with the root cause of that infection you get rid of the the bacteria or the virus and it goes away and it's gone now you don't just give something that just suppresses it and just keeps that as a lowgrade infection and it only spreads slowly over years and then finally succumbs and kills you you treat the bacteria you kill the bacteria that's how you treat disease what we're doing now is we're just managing diseases we're just perpetuating them and allowing them to go on and people die slowly over 40 years and this was something that was um taken snuck out of leaked out from a Goldman Sachs meeting which was um it was a slide that said is it uh a good business model to or a viable business model to cure disease to cure people's of disease they're like no it's not you want to you want to treat the symptoms of the disease for life and if someone gets a disease at 13 you've got them you got them for the rest of their life and you just turn out this illness and sickness and they just slowly so that infection just slowly spreads across their body and finally die but it's 50 60 years down the road and you've milked them for every little scrap of uh you know that they had during that time um just the the sort of some of the top five chronic diseases these are chronic diseases are called non-communicable chronic diseases and what that means is they're not infections they're not genetic they're just something that that just came up we don't know what the hell causes them they're environmental because they came up in the last hundred years uh to very significantly in the last 50 years and so that's an environmental thing that's not a genetic thing it's that this is this is something in our environment is affecting us and we're getting sick just like Romans when they had lead pipes they started getting lead poisoning they started getting sick and but it was generational and so people were just grew up in yeah that's just what it is you get diabetes you get heart disease you get cancer people get autoimmunity and that's just the way it is it's not the way it is that's not how it's supposed to be and so it's just that we're used to it now because we're living inside of it instead of the outside looking in like we but like we can retrospectively with the Romans but these chronic diseases have just come up and up and up and up and up and this is why I largely think these are nutritional uh but they're at least something environmental but those those chronic which can be fixed technically right this is something that's avoidable yeah exactly yeah so it's not genetically it's not like this is what you're born with no you're there's nothing you can yeah I see yeah so you think yeah yeah and so and that's the thing and so now the prophit incent for these companies is not to find the root cause of that okay what happened in our environment that changed that made us sick their profit incentive is say oo that let's keep that that's good and let's just treat the let's just treat the symptoms of that right so that's why you get Humera and all these biological agents to to modify your immune system to to dampen down Crohn's disease instead of find out what's causing the Crohn's disease in the first place or the American Diabetes Association saying you don't need to limit carbohydrates just make sure you take enough insulin to keep your blood sugar low well of course they're saying that because they're the ones selling you the insulin right so want you to have more blood carbohydrates because then you need more insulin if you just stop eating carbohydrates your diabetes goes away right and you and if you're type one diabetic maybe you need some insulin but a very small amount and if you're type two generally uh you you come off all insulin and injectables but just looking at those non communic those the top five non-communicable chronic diseases these chronic diseases so things like pulmonary respiratory disease cardiovascular disease um cancer and um mental health issues and what's the other one maybe Alzheimer's that th those account that's estimated to to cost worldwide cost and treating those just those five over1 13 trillion dollar by 2030 right wow so yeah there are Industries getting that 13 trillion do and they have Big Marketing budgets and and research departments that are going to try and and push this out there and get people that are very Adept at marketing and misinformation and propaganda to say hey this is the way to go because that's it's 13 trillion doll a year industry but it gets worse than that because the other costs are far greater than that so that's just what we're paying to to treat these diseases but in um loss of productivity people being sick out of work you know losing their jobs all these sorts of things so so and not and not being as productive at work and things like that so the loss to the world in productivity is estimated be be about $ 46 trillion between 2010 and 2030 and then in just real terms life loss and premature deaths it was $22 trillion in 2010 and is expected to go up to over $40 trillion a year in 2030 so this is a losing equation so these companies are making 13 trillion doll a year treating these five diseases but we as a society as a planet we're going to be losing 80 trillion dollar you know uh to actually deal with the consequences of these diseases as well we we can't even actually really um one thing I know is our perception of of money we we can understand a million dollars a billion dollar is really hard for us to comprehend do you know what I mean I think that there's a statistic someone I'm sure will comment it's something like if you save the penny and then double it to tomorrow and then double that the next day how long would it take you to get to like a million bucks and the answer is like 30 days and it says well how long would it take you get to a billion bucks it's like 38 years it's like it's a big yeah it's a crazy equation so a trillion is we can't comprehend it there's not a trillion people in the world the like a trillion is is too much when you're talking of multiple trillions let alone 10 or it's it's it's beyond yeah it's it's a crazy thing so it it goes without saying that obviously the you know the motivation to to keep you know to keep this going and to solve it and that's where I think it has to be if we feel like it's a a big system that's doing that well the only way to to break free of that big system is to kind of go you know solo and and and go okay I got to do what's right for me I'm not going to take my health advice from a vending machine or whatever it is you know what I mean and just do do what serves you and if that's you know uh I just know 100% that that um yeah the gift that I've been given of being able to have a second round at at at this at you know my age it's like incredible I mean my wife my whole family every it's just and I I've had like six or seven friends go get ask me questions about this and I don't you know my wife tried everyone's like why did you push I'm like I didn't she asked me I don't care you know I'm like she whatever she wants and being a yoga teacher she understands there's a big stigma about that you know about yoga teachers you know that are mostly vegan and vegetarian but she's you know she's a very spiritual woman she honors and really you know um pays respect to the animals that anything that we eat and and there's something really good even if you're not a religious or spiritual person the idea of taking a moment having gratitude for that is better for you you're a better person for doing you you will gain more than you can understand sub subconsciously you'll have it's better for you longer even if you don't believe in anything you know what I mean it's it's a good it's a good state of being you know it's everyone in this world could be a little kinder to each other and I think that uh you know the a big thing is your mindset like I said I was walking around in this fog so so I was not the best person to evaluate what to do with my diet I literally as my subconscious kind of you know helped me out which is funny for someone who's a hypnotist and you know what I mean but it was like yeah I think everybody intuitively kind of knows where their their Center is and what that feeling is of feeling grounded and balanced and breathing deeply most of us don't even breathe properly which is a crazy thing I I'm a big fan of you know I don't do breath work or anything like that but my father passed away February 13th a couple years ago and I got a tattoo to commemorate him on my hand and I had a dream that I was playing this flute in the forest and he was in my dream and so I told my mom about this like you know I went and bought a flute I bought this beautiful Navajo Native American flute and I learned to play it in like a week and I went to where we buried him in this ecological forest and just sat there and played and it was literally I the moment I started playing this I go this was my dream I was literally living my dream that came true and I wouldn't have done that except for the fact that I'm like you know I I listen to my subconscious I truly believe that almost every every answer to every question that you have is inside of you already and that we kind of know that and that people are very we can be really uh really hard on ourselves you know I think I think people say oh I want to get in shape and I want to eat better food or whatever it is but then they go out and do the opposite you know it's like you're the only person doing this and as sad as that is it's actually good news because there's no black cloud over your head telling you what to do making you do that it this you're the one doing it if you're the one doing it then that means you're the one that could not do it it's in your control if it's coming from you there's no external Force no one with a gun to your head saying eat those Froot Loops and don't go to the gym or whatever it is so that's good news you know it's very empowering to go if I everything in my life is a creation of my mind my thoughts well that's that's everything that's the that's the lotto that means that now all you have to do is really start having a conversation with yourself and going okay hello me what do I what do I really feel and getting in touch with yourself and then moving forward and that's kind of how I live my life I I'm very you know uh mindful of everything that I do I think very deeply for a long time about things before I agree to do something and it has to feel right and sit in my body right and so you know at the end of the day every every day is the best day of my life I'm never unha I'm never I'm happy every day my wife says I have the happy Gene I'm just like I only do things I love with people I love I eat food I love I go places I love I don't waste my time doing one thing that doesn't make me ecstatically happy and I think that there's that that all comes from the idea of you're creating your world with your mind so be very careful of what you where you spend your time turn off the news turn off the thing go outside take your shoes off put your feet in Grass feel mother nature earth whatever you want to get into that that's a real thing and uh that's you know there's a lot of people that sadly that's all that they really need to do I'll tell you really quickly I've had lots of people over the years from doing hypnosis for for entertainment come to me and say oh man can you hypnotize me to quit smoking or this and that and I've helped almost everybody that's ever asked me but for free I go I don't want one penny because the moment I take a penny from you it changes this whole relationship and you're thinking that oh he's in for the money I don't so you know what I mean what do you so I help people for free but I had a couple of times where I told people I said okay you want to quit smoking there's two parts that the the physical addiction to the nicotine and there's also the psychological triggers and stuff that why you start in the first place that we have to go back and do all that so you need to get off the cigarettes first for 3 weeks with no nicotine in your body for the hypnosis to work so I was like okay I think I can do it okay okay 3 weeks later because I goes okay it's been three weeks and I haven't had a cigarette and they go wow was it hard well the first week was was kind of hard the second week I was just making sure and not be around places where he was SM the third week actually was kind of easy I go great he goes so what do I got to do now I go you already did it you just needed someone like me to give you permission to do it I said I told you I'd help you using your mind to quit smoking and I did I just I said that the the lesson here is don't hand over authority of your ability to make decisions in your life to somebody who you think is just because you saw me on TV you think that I can you know hide an Ace and thing like you know and this guy's like so I'm good I go go live your life and that's kind of what I really feel like carnivore is there isn't you know I'm not going to come I'm not a dietitian you're not going to come in and lay down and put things in sensors and take blood test and map out and give you a scale with Ziplock bags and get you on a subscription to having food delivered to your house and have all up no go eat meat when you're hungry and have a nice day that's it I you know what I mean for me like this is what I'm saying that's what I tell myself I go okay this is what I do and yeah I it's it's un it's unreal it's by far the most effective decision I've ever made so you know and like I said if if if new data comes up and I go you know I'm in this nine months now if I go oh it's been two years and carnivore is not serving me well then I will do whatever I have to to change that or figure out why or whatever you know what I mean like that's that but you have to embrace where you are in the in the linear you know the of the chain of your life where what phases you're going through right to fully understand it so right now H have you had H or talked with anybody that's done this like for like decades yeah I'm sure there's lot of people out there yeah yeah well I mean I've total now I've been doing it over 11 years but that was with a break in the middle I did it for five years and then I sort of slipped off it because I didn't know know what I was that I was doing the the carnivore diet I was living ancestrally I just wasn't going to eat plants because I learned how toxic plants were in college and then I S and then I got back into it sort of six plus years ago when I realized that no no actually that that is the kind of animal we are we are carnivores and that's what I was doing and that's why I felt so good um or probably why I felt so amazing and then so I cut it out and sure enough two weeks I just felt like I was 22 again and so yeah so i' I've been doing it for you know off and on for 11 years but then no there were many people if if people just go to um there's a couple Facebook groups that have been around for like 15 20 years called zerocarb health and zeroing in on health and they're both led by people that have been carnivores for like 15 plus years and um and uh then some for yeah maybe one for about 20 years and then there's other ones that they sort of learned from the guys who've been doing for like 50 years actually funny enough in your industry uh the the sound technician for the Grateful Dead for years was a carnivore and he was he was for like 50 years and he died in a car accident super healthy guy named Stan wasowski or something like that but he was like nicknamed the bear or something like that because he just ate meat he just me the whole time since he was like a teenage early 20s I don't know why he started on it but uh it must have been from his 20s because he died in his in his 70s in a car accident he was actually in very good health and um and so he he showed up in those forums and was talking about his experience and all the things that he'd sort of learned over the decades and he's very very healthy and you see pictures of this guy in his 60s and 70s and he's got he's got muscle big thick muscular legs and happy healthy looking guy and and then in your neck of the woods there's a lady named uh Maggie Maggie white she has a ranch out in Alberta just um uh sort of probably near where you get get your meat from she's been in cornor since she was a kid she's 80 turning 83 this year and she was born in 1941 and she was that kid she was just like me and a lot of us they just hated vegetables as a kid just refused to eat them my her parents were nicer than mine her parents let her just say oh look she's healthy she's skinny just let her eat what she wants H my parents would not let me do that they forced this stuff down my throat and um and so I had to finish this St I hated it and uh and when she moved out of the house she was really just like yeah that's that so she was eating meat most of her life anyway because her parents let her get away with it but then when she was an adult and out of the house she really didn't need it and so she is a Rancher out there she first was going to veterinary school in the 1950s and then decided that she actually just wanted to she wanted her own animals she didn't want to work on other people's animals so she dropped out of veterinary school sort of halfway through went out and and um hopped on as a ranch hand to this big remote Ranch out in BC she actually went to UBC for a veterinary school back in the 50s yeah and um and then she was out there as a ranch hand just in the middle of the nowhere I think like cam loops was something like 40 minutes so really out there and oh yeah and so you couldn't you couldn't go to the store you couldn't buy anything whatever you ate you had to grow or raise yourself and so the people that ate that they obviously there was beef available and they go hunting and get you know a wild game but if you wanted vegetables you had to grow them and she's like I'll be damned if I'm going to grow vegetables I don't even want them and so she just ate meat from then on and so it's like 65 plus years as an adult and she was just eating meat Wild game raising her own uh beef but um you know the beef industry is difficult um and and uh in Canada they're making it very hard on her so she was always so poor that she couldn't even afford to buy her own meat to keep one cow back for her and her family they couldn't afford to do that to sell it and so they lived on Wild game so they were hunting elk and moose and deer and things like that and that's basically what they ate year round is uh is the game Wild game they hunted and raised all our kids on just wild game mostly and eggs unreal wow you know my wife my wife eats um bison uh which is uh she gets it's field harvested bison so I guess bison aren't domestic so they can't be like Coral live out in the field and then they live a longer life and and um yeah so she's talking with a company now that was I think they're in the state somewhere but they're like she's looking at like we buy a quarter bison so I have to buy a big freezer but she's she loves it yeah for it's um it is a strange thing though because I used to love eating chicken years ago I don't mind chicken now and again but it doesn't do it do it for me for some reason I think I don't know if it's the fat content or there's something missing it it doesn't make me you know I'll eat it if I have to you know what I mean but there's nothing beats a rib ey do you know what I mean like it's just there's there's not enough um fat in it which is kind of yeah it's it's a strange thing I couldn't uh and I like to see other people's perspectives I love to talk to people who disagree so I can see if um I'm wrong or maybe they're wrong you know but I love I'm interested in it and I like the conversation and I think that that's the most important thing is for people to not pick sides or War but to go hey you know like to have this you know open uh discussion because I think think that we're going through a phase where people are going to learn a lot of new new information all around and I think that people are are are there's like this growth that way but um I think uh I think how could I ever imagine going back to eating being a vegetarian like I was because I did have a couple vegetarian friends believe it or not that I was quite surprised they go this is you should definitely go back to being a vegetarian I go you want me to gain 42 pounds be bloated sick have my whole back body stiff my mind foggy over like but you know what I mean like that's that's horri it's like getting somebody who's stepping out of a wheelchair not really but like saying oh you should get back in the wheel like I feel like you know I'm hearing imp pared I'm like this is everything's cleared up in my life except for my hearing which like my hearing loss I can't get back but that's kind of like having a traumatic brain injury is like an invisible thing people can't see it they look at you and go you look fine therefore you're fine and you're just like your head you know multitasking sometimes it's like it can be tricky but um I feel more empowered now than I ever have uh and more aware and more alert and that's like the biggest gift I couldn't imagine I couldn't imagine telling people what to do to eat when they're saying that whatever they're doing is healing them and making them feel better you know what I mean like I wouldn't want I wouldn't wish you know misery on anybody you know um so it's like yeah I feel like it's this big growth time and what you're doing and a lot of people I've seen all what's his name sea Baker and and uh um there's a girl who calls herself the steak and butter goal she's really funny my wife likes her we watch her little short so but I I I think it's interesting because just talking about this and putting it out there you know is is um is great because it's many people interested in it and it's it's you know I can't imagine I I three or four friends of mine have been like dude I'm just eating meat I feel amazing all this you know they're they're having the same stories I'm like I know everyone seems to have the exact same story so you know until uh yeah well the future is going to be interesting it remains to be seen what what happens but um but I want to thank you for having for having me on and putting giving me the chance to you know and and it's not like you know like I said I'm I'm just a guy that's that uh had a dream and ate some meat and now I'm a a better guy you know so it's not I'm No Authority on anything so I'm not you know I leave that up to you guys so yeah well you know but the great thing is is that you know you were open-minded enough to try something that went against 18 years of of your life and just said okay well I you know try this out and okay yeah that's helping me and I think that's the most important thing regardless of of ideology you have to put ideology aside and just say okay what what is working for my body what is working for my life what is working for my family because at the end of the day studies can be corrupted or they can be wrong or they can just not apply to you and what the only thing that matters is the anecdote is the end of one what is what happens to you it doesn't matter what A study says what matters is happens to you in real life what is the real world data what are the real world results and me as a doctor when I see my patients do exactly the opposite of what these people say that they should do and get exactly the opposite results that they think that they they would I have to listen to that and you know my I I can't I obviously I think it's important to treat animals ethically as I said but my main ethical duty is to my patients and so I can't ethically promote a diet to them that I know is going to be inferior or I know is going to cause them harm for instance uh you know you were talking about you know like telling people that no no no you can't do that you need to go back in a wheelchair and that well maybe not that extreme but it is that extreme for some people there are people that are in wheelchairs and have multiple sclerosis I I had a p a lady on my podcast named Sarah she's a PhD researcher um and she had Ms in her early 30s and she was crippled she was in a wheelchair and she was dying you know that's all there is to it and she came across a carnivore diet she's a PhD researcher has a PHD in bi statistics she knows how to read studies because she writes a lot of them and so she started digging into it and said okay no the these guys are on to something there's there's something here and so she started doing it herself and within six months Not only was she out of a wheelchair but she was back doing ballet she had been a ballet dancer previously and wow on MRI her lesions and damage to her white matter were resolving so it wasn't just her subjective feelings oh it's just an anecdote no it's subjective evidence that this is healing her body and so you know that's and it doesn't matter if it's anecdotal or not it happened that's what happened to her when she did this that's what's important it doesn't Nothing Else Matters and no no you know and the um and the people that are that are healing for this you know is it is dramatic and so you know um in your you know in in Canada uh I was just you we we talked about how different populations um if if uh I think this was was off camera we were talking about you know why why different populations sort of have better or worse times with this or maybe because of their genetics you know should they do a cornivore diet or not and and the the thing is is that if you've had exposure to agriculture for a long long period of time then you at least have some defenses towards these things but not it's not you're not immune to it like Dr Sarah she was you know she was of you know Caucasian European descent and so she had her ancestors had just as much exposure to uh a agrarian diet as other people from Europe but she was affected more severely uh and eventually these things build up and we all get diabetes and heart disease and Cancers and all these sorts of things um but the Native Americans and the Inu they've only in the last plus years they exposed to this so they they don't have as much defenses they get hit very hard with this and I was speaking to a lady who is Inu and you know First Nation uh people up in Canada and um is that right First Nation am I saying that right or is that yeah yeah First Nations indigenous people yeah yeah and so she lives in the very Northern parts of Canada she is in those communities and she's been basically carnivore her whole life you know culturally that made sense to her they they normally eat a lot of meat but daughter was extremely sensitive to uh anything non meat and so any sort of plants or anything like that that came in she'd have seizures and she'd have horrible uh epilepsy and um and sensitivities and autoimmune autoimmunity and so they just were eating meat you know Wild game and things like that uh for at least like 40 years and so she was very healthy she was she was around 60 and I mean looked like she's 35 and like a good 35 you know I mean she looked very very young and healthy and then she said um but she actually had a couple autoimmunity autoimmune diseases and the thing was is she used spices she used spices and Seasonings and things like that and I have a book called the most delicious poisons which is all about the spices and Seasonings and how these are actually the most toxic part of the plant that we're tasting and our brains actually responding to this and saying don't eat that that's where you're getting this big explosive dangerous tasting flavor that we use a tiny little bit of it and it accents the taste of the meat this is actually why we used it because it used to be the spice trade was all about um covering up the taste of rotting meat and you need that strong flavor to cover up meat because we didn't have refrigeration up until very recently so she was using a lot of spices and then she came across my work saying hey you cut all this stuff out and you'll be better she like that can't possibly be I'm already eating meat you know spices aren't going to do it but she said look I'll give it a try and after a month her autoimmunity started receding and going away now she's been a year without spices no autoimmunity and feels great but now she's telling me about how I just spoke to her yesterday and she said that that um in Northern Canada in the First Nation people that there's been a rash of epilepsy in children right after weaning and so as soon as they stop breastfeeding all of a sudden they're getting seizures and seizures and seizures and this is growing it's becoming a major major problem and she asked me could you do you think of why that would be and I sort of I said well I think it would I would wonder what are they being weaned on to are they just being weaned on to meat you know when all mammals they drink their mother's milk and then they get weaned onto their mother's diet and they eat that diet for the rest of their life and they wean their children onto that as well and it should be and but we just sort of feed kids anything anything and everything right so we're not doing and so you know I'd wonder what they're weaning on to and you know because all these baby formulas they're just super high in sugar and Seed oils and also the baby food just little purade carrots and garbage with basically no nutrients but a lot of sugar because it tastes bad so they add a lot of sugar to it as she said as soon as you said it you know I realize it but that's exactly what's happening there's a law now in Canada that they have to wean babies onto formula so the first anent people are actually required by law to put them on to uh formula that's according to her and I have no reason to not believe her I haven't gone and checked the laws or anything like that that's we see saying she's saying it's required now that they put these babies on formula and since they've done that epilepsy in these in these children have actually started to rise so we see the sensitivity of certain peoples to having these things and that's the only thing that matters oh but this is scientifically tested and blah blah blah blah blah doesn't matter just giving these kids epilepsy that's the only thing that matters matters if it's giving you a problem that's the only thing that matters and if you go away from that and you start feeling better on meat that's the only thing that matters yeah yeah I think yeah you're right I mean you'd be pretty hard pressed to tell somebody that no how good you feel right now and is wrong and that you're it's wrong you know what I mean like how could you PO with a good conscience but that's the thing is if like I said thinking a little bit like a magician reverse engineering the situation you go well we have this big system of people creating these foods but everyone's maybe gut and died is so different we are a lot alike but definitely there's individuality different so how do they compensate for that well they don't they don't care just blanket across everyone and whoever gets sick and gets screwed gets screwed too bad cash or credit you know what I mean like that's it and that so from the other end of that you have to go well I'm an individual so what makes me think I can walk into this big box store and just go all the stuff that everyone else is getting and everyone's going to be the same uh with their health that's kind of ridiculous to say that do you know what I mean that's just like it's it's kind of when you put it that way it's like well sure everyone needs to do find what works best for them and do it but that's that sentence is tricky because everyone needs to find what's best for them how do people find what's best for them well you have two ways of going about it one you can find what works but then you can also find out what's not working so you're eliminating things and adding things well that's a tricky thing that's like a Rubik's Cube that you can never solve because you there's no stickers on the thing it's just this Black Cube that you're turning around you don't know what's what's doing what so the idea makes sense to me of eliminating everything that one thing and then adding things in and Ticking boxes going okay even if and and and just to be logically consistent even if you said I'm G to wean it off and I'm just going to eat tofu one thing there I'm a fan of that eat tofu and Mark good or bad down there and then add in quinoa and add do this as a veg add and you go oh so I'm getting flareups with these things or this isn't working you know what I mean or you might go I'm actually getting no nutrient from any of this stuff this is not a good diet you know what I mean you're gonna you you need to gather facts and analyze data and make an informed decision and you can't do that when you're just getting a bunch of stuff in you go I don't feel good I'm tired my insulin blood sugar I'm ex you know all this stuff you need to you need to go about it with a a conscious awareness of and a and a I think and for me this thing that I this carnivore diet which isn't a diet it's just eating what serves my body best is the best way of doing that because I go I eat one thing right now that's it I don't have anything in my cupboards feel my I wish could take my computer and go show you I don't have it's just meat it's just racks with salted meat and that's it awesome that's it and and I got water with you know um and I you know and that's it so you know it makes cookings really easy and everything's really but um and I don't crave anything and I feel great so I go well right now I feel great so and actually is a funny thing I did get this stuff um it's like a greens drink I got it about two months before I started carnivore so there was about four or five days where I was taking this green drink in the morning green some you know mixed greens thing whatever with water and I take it and have carnivore and then I stop at four days because I take it and my chest would burn like fire and I get this stabbing pain in my heart I'm like oh God it was it was like way too much I don't know why it was affecting me so strongly but I just couldn't take this stuff and it's a popular brand of stuff that a lot of people take and so I said okay that was weird then I did carnivore and I remember after about a month I thought I'm gonna take like a half dose of this thing because maybe was too strong and a sh up I drank it and same thing my chest got I could feel inside it was not good it was like it was like I had a sunburn you're pouring hot water was just horrible like heartburn gu whatever it was and so I just said I go and I go why am I doing this why am I testing to because I think that there's something in there that I I need or that I've been told that this is a thing I'm doing completely fine why so there is a little bit of that societal thing of going well you got to eat your veggies you know what I mean and I go well maybe you don't you know maybe maybe I don't you know what I mean I can tell you what to do but I mean for me I just know You' be it would be really hard I'd really love to you know have a doctor if if there's someone out there that says well you know you lost 42 pounds you've lost all your inflammation joint stiffness you have mental Clarity you're offer testosterone you're thriving in your career and your marriage and your life and you're doing better than you've ever done your and this is all really wrong you need some cabbage you know what I mean like I'd really be hardpressed to have to have that conversation it's just like so you know once again to each their own but and and because of that mindset that's how I got here because you know I wouldn't tell everyone out there you all have to be can you imagine that this this is a meaton restaurant law in the city everyone has to eat meat if you're vegan forget it no more vegetables you must eat meat people think you're crazy but there that actually happens they go you know you can't be vegan tell yeah yeah you can't you can't do it because when you do that then you open up the other side to say the same thing back to you and that's not good everyone should be free and fair to do what serves their body and find out what works for them best and what's true is true and in the end that always comes out and will prevail so at the end you're going to see you know I just I think I saw the statistic that it was something like vegans or vegetarians like 86% of them go back to eating red meat someone can Google it and correct me if I'm wrong but it's like it was like 86% and I go well why is that though why you know what I mean there's a lot there is not a big propaganda campaign out there saying be carnivore that there is a big vegan push I mean there's lots of you know there's a big and still 86% with all that Mar it's still there you know 86% of people go back to eating meat I mean that's you know carnivore doesn't have an advertising budget you know what I mean but it does have it does have some real life tangible quantifiable uh proof in the pudding that people seem to experience and I think that that's where the strength lies is that in the end the truth always comes out of what's best uh for for you and uh you know I wish everyone the blessing on your journey of discovering what that is and I'm just glad I found I was actually a bit pissed off go God damn it I'm 52 and now I discover this why couldn't I have you had it when you're 20s what did you do you had it you were so close wasted squander yeah I can't believe it that yeah yeah I mean oh my God if you added up all the rib you could have had by now it's just crazy seriously and uh yeah you know that that's the thing yeah I heard that statistics as well I saw a study that said that it was like 84% of people that go vegetarian plant-based vegan uh end up quitting and there was survey uh that was done as a adjunct to that that study or maybe maybe um maybe it was separate but anyway there was there was surveys asking people why they quit a plant-based diet and um over 50% so the majority said it was because of health reasons that there this was negativ affecting their health and so there were other reasons as well but um but the most of them said because of health reasons and then there's the other side of things that you know you are vegan you're taking copia supplements the ones that aren't taking supplements they're going to get hurt faster the ones that are eating a less whole food because Oreo cookies are vegan right they they are they say it on the bag they're vegan and so you know the a big this big plant-based push from is actually being funded by um the pharmaceutical Industries and the and the Food Industries uh and even the petrochemical industries are into this as well because that whole big plant-based movement is they they all profit from this the oil companies profit because the fertilizers are made out of petrochemicals you want to get rid of they and they want to get rid of cows because that's where the manure comes from that's where the best manure comes from and so you get now you have to just have more petrochemicals you're growing more crops and you have less cows and and animals to produce manure you need more fertilizer from petrochemicals and then the um the coca-colas and every and the Kellogg cereals of the world because they know that when people go plant-based the majority of them don't go eating quinoa salads they eat kellogs corn flakes and other sort of junk cereal crap and um and so that's that's the profit incentive for them and then obviously you know the the pharmaceutical industry they have their own profit motive for those as well but taking all these copious supplements just to survive maybe you'll survive longer and uh and do better but uh I also saw a statistic this was just a survey of course of people uh but 90% of vegans and vegetarians admitted to eating meat when they were drunk right and so uh which my friend did that he told me he said yeah he goes I had a burger like two months ago I justn snuck it in I'm like really yeah yeah well I think I think that's the only thing keeping some of these people alive you know and you were eating fish once a month and that was certainly going to give you you know good nutrients that you needed and sort of kept kept you going along for a while but you know you were talking about that doctor that would say like hey you know got all these improvements you're off your testosterone your life is better your brain is better everything's better but your LDL is high stop it immediately and they do that yeah you know and so thankful that your doctor looked at that and said don't don't worry about that my my oldest PA said this is the best possible thing you could do he said you're gonna live till you're 100 doing eating e eating like that because I mean and it's other things too I mean I don't um I don't smoke I've never smoked cigarettes or I don't do any drugs at all um you know I love a good Guinness every now and again but um yeah I don't and so I think just being healthy is being healthy I I think you know life is so short and you really only get one shot around um uh and I want to live a life that is I'm as clear-minded so have a real sense of the world around me I don't want to be in a fog I don't want to be hung over I don't want to be I want to experience everything and love every precious second of it so I think that you know I always try and make decisions that that leverage that and it's funny that it just struck me you're saying like a vegetarian vegan person like sneaking a Big Mac or a burger I just had this vision of sea Baker you know hiding out in the public washroom eating chewing on a head of kale going this is so good I don't think that's happening yeah yeah yeah no I don't I don't think so um it's uh yeah that would be funny though wouldn't it you know just just like you see like these vegan influencers doing the sort of things and then they get caught like eating a steak a burger or something when the out someone takes a picture I'm like what the hell is this you know and I think oh yeah sorry you know I just I just feel so much better and they you know have to shamefully admit that they've started eating meat again and yeah did you imagine that like um you're just like you know catching me somewhere just like gnawing on carrots like oh my God I just needed this you know I think it would make you know you know what it's weird because I would never want anybody to to you know attack anybody for their dietary their their there's no room for hate in this world and that goes against everything you know you have these people say well you should eat this whether it's there or there either way I just don't think that anyone should be hating on anyone for what they eat because I always try and be you know um conscious because I sit here and think I was a vegetarian before and I would have hated for somebody to come and you know attack me for being a vegetarian do you know what I mean I'm on my own Journey you're on your own Journey everyone's on their own Journey everyone's going to get to where they're supposed to go eventually do you know what I mean like that's that's a part of the whole don't Rob that from someone don't try and take away their their learning curve their EXP experience you know it's like uh it's like with the it's a bad example but with you know children small children they try and walk and they fall down and get up or fall a bike and you have to let them do that you can't wrap them in bubble plastic and Rob them of their Growing Experience because you're you know they they have to do it same same thing with this you know like I wouldn't have wanted anybody to you know I would have liked to have a ribeye sooner but besides that sorry my light just went out I got my wife's yoga ring light I didn't even know how to use it it's so funny I'm a I'm a director I'm a photographer I'm a filmmaker and I did the worst lighting of any because I don't do this have a you know podcast or anything so I thought this would be great but um it was working anyway was pretty yeah yeah yeah exactly I think this is the the meat Gods the sea Baker joke didn't go L too well so yeah exactly no yeah yeah well you know speaking about that as well you know you being in Hollywood and being in these be a lot of plant-based sort of thoughts and and things like that in there as well how does how does that go over how do you have those conversations with uh with those sorts of people oh well yeah it would have been tricker before but now I've been around for a while so I have you know I'm just like get me steak get me you know but you get you get it definitely is you know um but it's kind of what you say you know like there's these people that kind of since I started eating meat I have lots of friends in hwood they're like oh yeah let's go to this great steakhous or they get you know they but they don't they they might not talk well like I don't think that eating meat is just should be like it there something you're ashamed of you know even when I was a vegetarian I had friends that I go with them and they'd eat meat and I I would never go ahead you know what I mean like I just I was a vegetarian I I'll cook your steak for you I I just wouldn't want to eat it back then you know what I mean like I don't have any it wasn't like that for me I guess so yeah I don't have but I think that it's really the mistake of people attaching certain things to their identity to going this is me I am this you're not that that's just what you're doing right now now you know your your career isn't your life your life is your career whatever your job is it's just a job your life is your life don't let that Define you your diet that's just what you're doing right now maybe you'll be a vegan maybe you'll be maybe you'll become a vegan probably not but it's it's it's what you you know it's who you are so it's like it's it's it's it's it's it's not what you are you know it's so I think that in in Hollywood a lot of people there's kind of a push to posture to be this person CU all eyes are on you you know there's a spotlight on you things that you say if if you're if you're on TV and you go out and you say oh yeah I love my Rolex that's it they're going to be people will buy Rolex is because someone says that or they know you wear that you know any of these movie stars what they their clothes they wear everything everything you say so it's you know you got to be very in one way you got to be very careful um that uh you know uh but I mean I'm I'm safe now because everyone's forgotten about me so I'm just I'm just living quietly in Canada yeah but I think it's I think it's like you know um uh the more the general idea the bigger thought is to is to understand that people are different and unique in their own way that we're all unique in our own way and that the the more freedom that people have to do what serves them best the better otherwise you're trying to tell everybody to become uniformed into some you know be some person they're not which is crazy which is exactly what a grocery store is everyone the grocery says here this is what you should eat like what about no what about I go into the grocery there's not one thing in that store that I buy I don't want any of it nothing there's nothing in there for me I go with a shopping cart I come out with an empty shopping cart there's not I go to my butchers by the way shout out to rod from Tango meats and uh yeah and he's always in there he's like hey it's the best day and I go and get my meat and uh you know this free range this family you know they're great grass-fed you know uh beef and uh nourish myself with it and and I'm very um and and have a lot of gratitude for that and uh I have more gratitude and more respect and and pay you know um reverence to animals now than when I was vegetarian which is which is odd you know usually it should be the other way around it wasn't until I came meter that I honored and you know have such a deep profound respect for the nature of things and animals you know which is like yeah which people think is usually the opposite thing I think probably people that are you know the indigenous people that the first Nations that hunt they have a great connection to you know uh the animals that they that they hunt and and it's it's you know there's no reason everybody can't live their life with reverence like that and gratitude so um yeah so I think it's uh I I mean to see I people ask me sometimes they go do you have a cheat day and I'm like what from what like I don't know you know what I mean like I have like some uh some um what do he got some bacon some pork belly bacon that I put in every night again that tastes kind of good but really pork doesn't doesn't really do much for me to be honest I at the end of the day uh beef like ground beef does I can have like you know ground beef with with you know uh um Sometimes some sharp cheddar some really good cheddar I'll melt on it like a burger that'll be a thing I'd have maybe once every every week or something like that but basically yeah I don't it's it's such a weird thing I guess your taste buds and your Cravings change when you don't have sugar in your body I think most of what people crave is because of sugar it's like an insulin or it's a spike or it's an addiction or it tells you you need more carbs you know what I mean so I don't I don't know the science of how I eat other than it works for me and I go you know I think that protein is probably a better fuel source than carbs I don't think carbs are as efficient of a of a a fuel source for like how long lasting they are what they do to your energy your blood Su you know what I mean you might get carbs and go for a little bit but then the crash is you know bad I I just just don't get that with steak so I think that I'm assuming that that's a better a better thing it's it's a better functioning fuel source you know what I mean maybe you know you can probably tell us oh 100% yeah you when you're not getting those those insulin spikes right so it you know it blood sugar is toxic to the human body a certain point um you know people talk about hormesis well maybe these bad things are actually good for you at certain levels well it's very important to know what that level is and glucose blood sugar is helpful at a certain level four grams not not not much and so four grams is a level teaspoon right and so that's enough glucose to run all the physiological mechanisms in your in your entire body and brain and nervous system right four grams and one extra gram is a toxic dose to your body that overwhelms your body body's ability to sort of mitigate the damage from glucose because glucose is damaging your body those carbohydrates get in your body and they damage your body uh but it's called glycation they physically fuse right other molecules and damage them you get AG Advanced glycation end products and if you get just one extra gram of glucose you get more and more and more of these things and they build up this is what ends up killing diabetics this is why they break down they prematurely age they have their toes amputated then their feet then their legs then their kidneys fail and their heart fails and they fail and their brain fails you get Alzheimer's Alzheimer's are being called type 3 diabetes you can get fertility issues because it can the the insulin and diabetes can damage the ovaries that's called PCOS polycystic ovarian syndrome is the leading cause of fertility infertility in women and that's now being called type four diabetes so all of these things are a consequence of not only high blood sugar but then what happens when you have the high blood sugar because our bodies respond to that one extra gram of blood sugar as a toxin you know that's amazing hey going to hit this light on one second no problem I think there we go I get some light help a little bit so I actually wanted to ask you what is the makeup I think I'd read somewhere like the actual composition of our body I don't know if it's I don't know what it is it's something like is it like 60% water 35% protein or something like that and then there's this very small bit that are carbs so you know that breakdown yeah it's like 70 something percent water depending on you know men and women depending on your fat content because water um generally fat is generally pretty dry and so they don't have as as much so depending on how how much adapost tissue you have you might have a bit less uh water uh but yeah there's not not too many carbohydrates in the body um we have a bit of glycogen we have a bit of um structural components that that are used on on proteins and surface markers and but then the the the glucose uh four grams right and then we we store this glycogen and and then excess will get stored into fat as well um but yeah doesn't protein turn into uh um glucose as well in the brain oh in the body yeah it can the body yeah we don't really store can't really store protein all that well you you sort of it and if we have excess that we can't we have a very high demand for protein as well though remember that every single molecule that your DNA codes for is a protein and so those Al you know every every sort of three um three base pairs that codes for one amino acids so you know there be Lucine and and line and torine and carnitine all those sorts of things bang bang bang bang bang so it's just these strings of amino acids and then they fold up in ways and bond together in a certain way and then that's a molecule that goes around and and does work they're all made out of amino acids so you know people are saying that was like oh well you know carbohydrates have the same amount of calories as protein it's like that's meaningless because most of those proteins that you're bringing in being used as energy they're being used as structural components to make the the proteins and molecules in your body that your DNA codes for and so you don't use them as energy so the vast majority of the amino acids that you use are being used to build and run and maintain your body make things like that the structural components of your body as well as the molecules that go around and uh and work inside your body and uh and then you need fat too Fat's really your main energy source fuel source you can actually turn that into glucose and glycogen and and ketones and you can run on that and then if you take in excess carbohydrates then that sort of mucks up the whole deal because now you have way more than four grams of body yeah and your body just freaks out goes we got to get this down which raises your insulin and that causes all sorts of problems that's caus causing the energy problems that you're talking about is because insulin will go up in response the blood sugar but insulin will affect actually over a 100 different thing processes in your body and cause a lot of damage like I was saying before it affects your growth testosterone and your estrogen uh but your blood pressure and your ovaries and all the and your brain as well but just from an energy Dynamics point of view insulin will go up because blood sugar goes up insulin goes up to get the blood sugar down but the insulin stays up it has a long halflife so now the blood sugar is too low and you don't feel and one of the things that insulin does is it stops glucano Genesis it stops the body's ability to make more blood sugar to make glycogen to make ketones and so you're up here and you have this glycogen and now you're sort of running on this glycogen trying to keep your blood sugar up but eventually that sort of fails and you just feel like crap oh I need to eat more carbs I need to eat more carbs so you eat more carbs and your body goes again like what have you done we just got rid of this stuff you know yeah we just yeah so you're going around and round you go you're in that thing so let me ask you a question I'm I'm going to have to wrap up soon because uh yeah you hear my but I wanted to say I want to ask you I don't know if anyone's asked you this question from your estimation either now or in the future what do you think could be the downside of the carnivore died um the downfall of uh multi-trillion dollar Industries in the processed food companies and the pharmaceutical companies um but uh the the upside to that would be that those those Industries and those very smart people with very big brains would then go into useful Avenues and actually do things that are useful to people and that money would then be directed towards very useful things that could actually better Humanity so you know it's just it's just like you know uh what do we do about all these buggy whip makers now that that Henry Ford has come out and made uh cars and we don't need buggy whips anymore um well they get new jobs and they res skill and oh that sucks and that's bad and that sucks for them while but we ended up getting far more for it because you know we had cars and those beat buggies and so I think that's the thing you know we just have to we have to move forward and we have to switch the direction of the economy and um and and do it into much more useful ways and right get and at the very least we need to get the hell away from this sick care system because no matter what system you have you have a public system or a private system or some new system that came from space and is even even better no system will will bear the weight of this growing burden of chronic diseases you know it's just going every single year I mean was it like you know 46 trillion over 20 years 13 trillion a year just spending on this stuff and then another 40 trillion a year on um on uh excess death and premature death this is this is that's going to crush any system this just going to crush everything and any anything so that needs to go we need to fix that and as a consequence um I think we're going to get uh yeah I think there's going to be many positive benefits you know a lot of these industries are going to have to go away but they're not necessarily away they're just going to transition they're going to Pivot they're transition well they say it'll be about the money and this is the funny thing like just in a very simplistic like a this isn't like a a this is an honest question just from a pragmatic sense I've had people that said well you know I've been they thought they said you know red meat's bad for you eating meat's bad for you especially fatty meat you should eat lean KET of meat lean ketsup meat is the best thing for you they said that's that's what I've been told that's I'm sure lots of people watching prob so we're told lean cuts of meat are are the best thing for you if you have to eat meat but fatty cuts of meat are bad for you why is it that riy is the most expensive steak then why is it that the fattiest Cuts me shouldn't that be just a cheap crap they go take the buckets of this it's so horrible we're throwing it in the garbage like why is it the most expensive I'm dead serious like I'm not like I'm not like a find I'm just like do they know something out they go actually this is the best thing for you that's why it's so expensive but we can't say that so or is it like what's the reasoning Behind These fatty delicious cuts of meat that satiate and are me are so expensive why if they're the worst thing for you shouldn't they be just like dirt cheap shouldn't they just like throwing it in the alley in slot bags like like I'm serious like what do people not ever think about that they go yeah why is the fattiest cut Meats so expensive do you know what I mean yeah I mean you know you look at you look at marbl meat and and you look at the what stff it's not it's dead cheap it's like you know you can get these blade staks here they're super cheap there's no fat on them there's no marbling in it they're not you know they're like Le but they're yeah they're they're it's it's backwards I guess I don't I don't know I don't know the I don't know the the reasoning behind that and then and then wagu very very fatty and and the most expensive stuff out there you know yeah you know I mean you you do get um other fatty cuts that are that are cheaper like the chuck steaks and the briskets but those are also very tough Cuts as well yeah and you have to roast them and slow cook them and a lot of people you know just for convenience they don't want to do that you know so they right the steaks the things that you can just cook up right then and there and it's and it's quick and easy thing yeah yeah well I tell you I did I I I I got to thank you for one thing and that's uh when I first started because I was a vegetarian right for I didn't know how to cook meat I don't know how to eat meat I was like almost two decades ago how do you eat meat what do you I just a burger patty so there's ground beef it sounds silly but when you don't cook it or eat it or touch it you're like this is weird so I kind of looked at a thing and then the first video I saw you was something about salting meat in wet brining or breeding whatever it's called just putting open air yeah yeah just in the fridge and I go oh this guy okay that looks good so I go and I put you know salt in this thing and I put I leave it in there like all my in there for minimum two days about three to four days and they're amazing and then a friend of mine I can't say the name of the rest of them they're very very high-end very very expensive Steakhouse like you're gonna pay hundreds of dollars this and he told me he goes we let the meat set out not just like 30 minutes to room temperature we let it like for hours like like like this stuff because it's actually stays cold and wet for quite a long time especially these thick Cuts they let it sit out like that and then when they sear it cook it and it just melts it's melting good so yeah that's H that's my jam now so I but um yeah literally my fridge is just racks of of meat and then I have a huge deep freeze it's in my bedroom we sleep the hum of the Deep Freeze puts me to sleep every night I just know that that's just full of ribe eyes and Tomahawk steaks every night I sleep good I cuddle up just knowing knowing it's there in the morning for me you know it's just like yeah so yeah what do you call it dry aging or wet aging it's in the fridge on on Rex yeah if it's um if it's if it's in the the the big vacuum seal packs um that that like the big Primal Cuts that's and you put that in the fridge that's wet aging and then that just more breaks it down gets a bit more tendered it's not supposed to do anything for the flavor it just sort of makes it more tender and then when you open that up and you put them on the drying racks I mean whole whole thing on there and you just dried it out until it was sort of a crust outside and you cut off the Crusty outside that would be a plasic dry age um but what I do is so I guess it's called dry brining which is I cut it up into steaks put a bit of salt on it I don't salt really much anymore uh actually I don't at all anymore but that's just the taste I just I that's how my taste runs now and and just put it out and just let it dry out and so you're just having on a wire rack and air circulating around all sides so it just dries out and it gets you know evaporates out the water and it concentrates the flavor more Browns so much better as well yeah yeah that's that's what I do that's what I I find with I put salt on it they kind of swell up and get really red a little bit and that tends to be uh yeah I don't use a lot of salt but I have just a thing a bag of Redmonds I use up there and and that's the same thing that's it but uh yeah it's it's it's great so the future is uh it's going to be exciting we'll see what remains to be seen so AB but um yeah well great well Andrew uh well I just just want to say thank you so much for coming on I know that your your wife is there and you got to you got to run uh congratulations on the new show congratulations on uh you know all the all the work that you're doing and uh and that was I you you actually did blow my mind on those little tricks I'm like how the hell did he do that that's my that's my job there that's that's paying you back for the uh for the wet aging Yeah well yeah well it was it was awesome um great when is the new show coming out and how do people find you and and see so yeah we're doing um I own westl film so we're actually creating the show Allin house which is like kind of my dream come true cuz you know back when I was younger you need to find you know I've worked for lots of different networks Discovery Channel an all stuff and you need money to do that now I'm in a situation luckily where I can actually make my own show myself and now we're in the driver's seat creatively everything I get to do it the my dream show my way and take my time and do it right and all I can tell you is that uh right now it's called Magic of the mind and every episode I have a different celebrity come on with me and I take them through an entire day of my magical world and you won't believe what happens to to them and me and people everyone everyone they're surrounding yeah I'm like a uh because I I've had a good you know 12 years of not doing what I love and what I'm born to do and now being able to to do that again I've got like a good decade of magic pent up inside so I have so much new material and new mindblowing magic and and demonstration and mind reading and psychological things that nobody's done in the history man the things that I'm going to be doing in the show nobody in the history has done these before they're they're I'm really excited and it's yeah so I'm going to take my time and do it my way but we'll start going to production next month and start filming and right now there's six episodes and yeah it's going to be I'll tell you I'll tip this here not that anybody knows me or they'll see it but one episode is called high on Magic and I'm meeting with a very famous musical celebrity that's I'm going to do magic for while there stoned out of their mind and it's got a Twist surprise ending when they find out the pot they've been smoking isn't pot so yeah it's gonna be nice and it's probably it's probably it's probably the uh the celebrity you think it is if you're thinking about this so nice yeah but uh yeah man all right well hey Anthony great thanks so much for having me on and great chatting with you man and uh I've got to get out to Australia one of these days it's been on my bucket list to go there and my wife was there years ago she used to skate professionally for Disney all night so she traveled and she always wanted to go back there and she just learned to Surf this last year so I go all right maybe we should do do an Australia trip yeah well if you do and you're in Perth and let me know I'll uh I'll cook you some steaks oh that's what I'm talking about yeah all right man awesome awesome thank you Anthony thanks a lot man cheers appreciate it thanks see you next time hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast and if you're on YouTube then 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