The Hidden Molecule That Is DESTROYING Your Health – Dr. Petra Davelaar

[Music] Hello everyone. Thank you for joining me for another episode of The Plant-Free MD. I'm your host Dr. Anthony Chaffy and today I have a very special guest Petra Daflar who is coming here to tell us all about her work and uh well actually we'll get into it. Petra, thank you so much for coming on. Um and it's very nice to see you again. Oh, thank you so much. It's uh wonderful to be here. Appreciate it. Great. So for people who don't know you and don't know your work, can you tell us a bit about yourself and what you do? Yeah, so I am a naturopathic doctor. Um and uh I came sort of later in life to this particular uh way of living now that it is for me. Um uh 26 years ago I became a parent and from that moment on I questioned everything and of course all around pediatric health. Um but it became so much larger and it became my life. So I decided to go to school and learn and um uh in my mid-4s I went I had to start from scratch. I had never gone uh to college. That's just not I grew up in the Netherlands and we just didn't do that. So um I started then and I went eight years straight. I graduated in 2016 and started practicing. Um and then in 2018 my mom was diagnosed with colon cancer and uh that was a shock for me. I had lost my dad when I was 23 from a geoblast blast. Um and so when that happened again I thought okay I I have to get to work. There's just so much to figure out and um we miss so much with the cancer story clearly. Um, and so I started studying even harder and in more directions and yeah, here I am. Yeah. Very good. So I'm very sorry to hear about about your your both your parents. Um, so when when your when your mom got her unfortunate um, diagnosis that brought you to to look at cancer in a different way. What did you find? Did you apply those to and did you apply those to your mom's treatment? Yep. So um I remember back in 2014 that's the first time I came across dutyium and but I was in medical school and I just did not have the bandwidth to go and figure out what that's all about and and but I went back to it at that moment in time and um I yeah I ferociously you know went after every detail that I could find and um I applied that for her. As you may know, it's much harder to get your family members to do anything and listen to you than you know than than your clients. But um we did it all and uh you know, fortunately she was fine. She passed later on in life from uh from a fall and mismanagement in the hospital. Nothing to do with her cancer but um yeah. So but that is definitely what got me on this path. The the whole the whole dutenomic story started right there. Okay. So was that was that and and what did you find out what what about dutyium is is helpful in this? Yeah. So um dutyium as you know is the stable isotope of hydrogen and um we also refer to it as an enco um a specific role in cancer. Um if we are overloaded on that for all the reasons um that you may have heard uh we eat too many foods that are too high in dutarium, we are not practicing any lifestyle um modifications or or ways of being in the world that prevent us from uh really um achieving high levels of deterium in our bodies and in our tissues. Um, and so if we try and regulate those levels by all the ways that I've learned how to do, we can really um make a shift. Um, and so that's that's what I started doing. Um, in 2018, I was fortunate at that time that we were able to have access to testing for both saliva and uh, breath samples. And I did that for a lot of clients and it was fascinating. Um and so I learned a lot from that. Uh and depending on the type of of of cancer and the stage that that clients were at the um very much the the levels of dutium in their tissues um was uh higher for all of those. Um unfortunately right now my only can test saliva which I do u frequently. Um and yeah, it's it's really um plays a role and if you want to improve your mitochondrial function and your functioning in their body and uh to try and lower those levels in all the ways that we know how is absolutely important. And so what for like a normal person that wouldn't have any sort of underlying diseases or anything like that, what would you expect their dutarium levels to be? So ideally um so let me explain first what the average level is of the ppm we call that parts per million in water. Most drinking water in the US is around 150 parts per million give or take right it depends on where you are. Some people are lucky it's lower others are higher. Um so that uh that water level kind of determines how how much we take in and how much water we drink. So in our bodies ideally in a healthy human we would be around 135. That's it. Maybe 132. That would be fantastic. Um but that's not what I ever found. Rarely I found that. So most individuals with any issues that would present would be at least in the 140s. Those with cancer in the 150s and up. Um there was one stage 4 um cancer client, she she hadund uh 60 parts per million. It was stunning. So, and then if you I was at that time able to compare the level in saliva and breath um that could give us some insight into how well someone is able to uh excrete the excess levels because the saliva would always be slightly higher than your breath. Um and and frequently those were very similar. So these people were just flooded, the system was flooded with it. So yeah, then go to work and and you know um with cancer patients I really think it's it's great to be able anybody with the cancer diagnosis to use dutium depleted water for a period of time is very helpful to kind of drastically drop levels um while you implement all of the other pieces that can help you lower levels. Um so that that's yeah what we work on. And so there's duterium depleted water and if people don't know that's just water where they've reduced the amount of dutarium that's in there. It's an involved energy dependent process but um it's not cheap but um hopefully you know things get cheaper as as the market grows for it. Um but apart from duterium depleted water what are the other techniques that someone could could get their dutarium levels down? Yeah so food is is the main one. Um it you really uh consuming foods that are low in dutarium are fats are the lowest of all. That's kind of the her the step-wise. If you go it's first fats then your animal protein best quality you can find. Uh and then it's the green above ground vegetables and then you start getting in higher levels from there on. So any fruits, any grains, any processed foods then it just climbs up in higher levels. Um, so that that's something to keep in mind. Also, the amount of water that you consume. Most people are not aware that we produce our own metabolic water, which is absolutely key for for many reasons. Um, and we can get into that in a little bit. But, uh, yeah. So, so that's really where we start. And then adjusting their light environment. Um you know I uh have come to understand that just working with dutium depletions if you will I think it's all about regulation and moving towards um acknowledging the role that dutarium has in our body in many other ways. And so um the food piece is important but the light is is most likely more important than anything else. Um so that's an other really interesting aspect. Um I uh you know one of the things that I do is research and I speak to researchers you know all the time. I schedule Zoom meetings unlike you. You do it all you know and mo most podcasters they do their interviews live. I do them behind the scenes but we have email communication. We have zoom meetings and discussions and I try to learn from everyone um as much as I can. Uh podcasts are amazing as you know a lot of great action is happening there. Um and um you know in the last few years I've dealt with clients who've just presented at such a higher you know advanced stage with cancer already. there are so many more pieces to the puzzle that we have to implement and dutarium managing those levels alone is not enough. So um I have expanded to include as many quantum biology uh pieces of the puzzle that I'm aware of that I know that we can change and that we have to change. Um so that's really been an amazing journey and wonderful to add all that to my uh daily uh recommendations for people to do and so and so you were saying that the light itself directly affects our dutyium status or just in general it's better for our health. So um the light it's so much bigger this whole story and it's it's uh I have come to learn and this is the work of Jack Cruz as you know the um he has uh educated me on the role of the palm sea gene and melanin and um the entire light environments that we are under and how it determines um our our existence. And so um of all the learning that I've done, I've come to the conclusion now please know I'm not a scientist. I'm not not a physicist. I I am not I'm an extremely motivated um you know naturopathic doctor who's trying to put all the pieces of the puzzle together to uh try and um get better results for people that last. So, um I uh um I've I've really come to realize that we are actually um electrical beings that emit light. We emit magnetic fields and we are regulated and fueled by sunlight and we um are maintained by gas. So that's a lot, I know, but it's it's really important I think to understand all of that because once you acknowledge how we actually are put together and how we work, then you also realize that most of the treatments that we apply in medicine don't even, you know, touch any of that. And so um that then becomes a huge deal. um and and what we know what I currently have come to realize that most of what we do in medicine is wrong and a lot of what um we've been taught in school um is wrong and we are missing huge amounts of of very fundamental biochemical biohysical quantum biology pieces of this puzzle that we must um recognize and we have to implement And and so if the medical schools aren't doing it, we have to do it. And and that's really, I think, what this whole, you know, new way of sharing information is all about, bringing this to a whole other level. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Well, we we certainly haven't um uh figured it out obviously because people are getting sicker, not better. I mean, we should That's right. Yeah. we should be turning into like uh you know future creatures and like you know Star Trek with you know transporters and and you know food generators and things like that if we were advancing but we're not. We're getting worse and worse and worse. We're getting worse and worse. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously we haven't figured that one out yet. Yeah. So but that's even the situation with cancer, right? We're really not so clear on what cancer exactly is. And um you know I heard a great podcast that Logan Duval did with Cameron Borg and and they were discussing the same issue and really it appears as though that there is a loss of um of of cellular charge. So there has to be a net negative charge of a cell to maintain its viability, its health, its ability to communicate and transmit information and energy. And once you start losing that that charge, that cell becomes it's operating as though it's a uni it's a um a single cellular organism. And so that that changes everything. um and and we have to uh include all of that in our thinking. We also have to think about um coherence within the cell and within the tissues um uh and that plays into light as well. So the light that our eyes receive and our skin receives and that our GI tract receives that has to be the same light to create coherence in our body for all the processes to work in a in a you know very very efficient way. And that's ultimately um why it's so important to consume foods that are low uh that are that um are local and seasonal to where you are, you know. So that's really another huge piece of it. Um and and bringing that back to dutarium, if there's a lot of dutium in a cell, you also interrupt that coherence um in many ways. So that that's another issue um that's you know should be kept in consideration. 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Dutaterium, the more damage to the mitochondria, the less they can function, the more likely they're going to go down that path and the less likely they'll be able to recover from that. And then very interestingly um Dr. Stephanie Senif from MIT who's been working recently with Dr. Lazwell Boros. She was previous previously um she was at MIT as a a computer science researcher and then started uh down different tracks and was glyphosate expert. Now she's gone down the dutarium track. But she said something very interesting that that she thinks that cancer cells at least act as a dutyium sink. When someone's like very dutyium overloaded like you you said these cancer patients of 150 or above parts per million cancer cells take in a lot of dutarium and use it and that helps cells divide. You need a certain amount of dutarium for cells to divide and so they're rapidly dividing. they're using a lot of dutyium and and she sort of noticed and observed that they sort of act as a dutyium sink and sucking dutyium out from the rest of the body and using it there. And so when you know what if this was a protective mechanism that body was doing this to isolate the dutyium in the cancer cells to get it away from the rest of the body in order to protect the rest of the body. It's an interesting way to think about it. I don't think anybody's ever thought about cancer as a as a protective mechanism, but you never know. there's we don't know what the hell's going on with the body in these cases. We just know that it's gone wrong. And so it's an interesting way to think about it. It is super interesting. Yeah. Um there's a whole other way that I've learned that dutyium plays a role and if you let me explain this part which was it's fascinating. The last year um I've been working with a group of scientists um that includes Barry Ninham. He's an Australian uh scientist who um spends years also in the US but he's there and he has published a series of paper just recently the fourth one um that are some would say seinal papers that um introduces to the world of nanobubbles and um this is utterly fascinating because it turns out that maybe for the last 3 400 years I think it is that we have basically ignored omitted the fact that dissolved gas plays a tremendous role in our body and all the research all the biochemistry the colloid surface chemistry physical chemistry they have all ignored it none of them have included it in their um considerations and if you um don't take dissolved gas in consideration all the reactions change everything is different So this is a whole other piece of um why the way we currently p practice medicine isn't is just very on very shaky ground and is missing fundamental parts. So it turns out that we breathe very differently than than we do. I'll start there because that that's really important to understand. And so we've been told, you know, we we have in our atmosphere approximately 80% nitrogen and 20% of oxygen. And so we breathe in magically in our lungs, um, in our little alvoli, the red blood cells can just pick up the oxygen and off they go. Well, that's not what happens at all. Um it turns out that we actually breathe in um the combination of both the nitrogen and the oxygen gas. And when that enters your alvoli, there is a um 3D kind of honeycomb structure that then forms these teeny little nanobubbles and that's those are made up of both nitrogen oxygen gas that then peruses the vascule and um in the capillaries is where the oxygen not all of the oxygen but some of the oxygen partitions into red blood cells. That's where the exchange happens. So this is this is fascinating. And it turns out that all of our um vascule and all of our cells, all of our tissues, everything has a layer that is called the um endothelial surface layer glycoalix complex. It's a mouthful but basically um if you think of a cell and and we we have given all sorts of wonderful properties to the cellular membrane that really if you think about it are impossible that couldn't couldn't all be managed by that teeny little structure. So um scale-wise if you think of it a cellular membrane is three nanometers and then you have a layer of the glyicoalix which is um 50 nanometers. And this layer is super interesting. It's a um a interwoven um kind of continuous by continuous network of water tubules and this actually directs all of the cellular traffic in and out of the cell and it's also a neural network and then from there is another layer that's 20 times that and um that is made up of these sulfated polymers. So you can think of that as like grass from you know ocean grass and that's highly sulfated and um that then is populated with the nanobubbles and um ultimately the integrity and the structure of this layer determines the exclusion zone that happens above this nanobubble layer. And if this this layer um this of the glycoalix part if that has a lot of dutium in it um the uh actual um structure of it changes and the ability of water of of any kind of compound to move through it or traffic to happen changes. So that's fascinating obviously. So these these water tubules um uh can change depending on the structure uh the the um ion concentration or for instance too much glucose or too little insulin the the curvature of the tubules changes and then the connectivity and the um conductivity changes. So um then that the entire mechanism kind of shifts. So you know through metabolism we produce constantly CO2 bubbles. So that's the other part of the bubbles that's present and the CO2 is is really important in um eliminating uh infections of any sorts. So that's uh it's just yeah the whole world opens up. I just created a page on my website that um seeks to explain it and summarize it in a way. It's difficult because it's a 50-page paper, this last one that they place they put out, but it's it's really really fundamental and um another reason why we need to do so much more research and understanding of how it all happens. Yeah. Yeah. Does that make any sense? Does. Yeah. Well, the thing is is that I mean, you know, there was uh this is always explained to people, you know, air goes in your lungs and then something happens and there's gas transfer and it's just, you know, using very broad general terms. That's right. Describe this, but you know, no one's saying exactly how that mechanism works. We have a lot of mechanisms for different sort of things. We talk about the, you know, the inflammatory cycle and you know, things going through and have this laminer flow, but then something happens and gets more congested. And then they actually have to become sticky and they're hit the wall and we have all these little steps and mechanisms and they explain those out but then they just say yeah there's gas transfer you know something happens and science happens and then all of a sudden you have you have oxygen in your red blood cells obviously there's more to that and you know understanding how that exactly works and you can see these other parts of that and that's very interesting. I hadn't heard that that you know you have a higher dutium level in those layers then that's going to interrupt gas transfer but yeah and if there's none that's another piece if there's none the layer will collapse so that's no good either which is why this whole piece about I think duter regulation is key not not just depletion which is what you you know hear yeah it's it's too much you don't want to do that either we need it and it has many other functions and um it's also uh believed to um play a role in the bloodstream as a source for UV light. So this is a whole other piece. Um once you start diving into that um how uh many of our proteins and hormones in our bodies need to be the hormones need to be um uh they have an absorption um range in in the UV light spectra which is amazing. Um and back in 2019 I um I'm in D I'm Dutch so Rulan fun um has written some amazing books on light shaping life and I actually went and visited him in in his lab and we had a conversation about it and I tried to you know it's always a great um challenge for me to get uh scientists to kind of look outside of their box and add some other pieces to it and I wanted to talk to him about dutyium and he did not know about about it. Um but it was fascinating. Anyway, his books are incredible and and that will tell you that our bodies produce you know extreme lowle um UV light and that actually activates many many processes and in fact it it controls mitosis. So um uh yeah that's just a whole other piece how dutyium plays in in in our bodies. So dutarium itself emits a bit of light or some sort of process emit there is a process I don't know of the exact details um and the truth is there is no researcher that has you know described this and published this and I asked um Rulan about it sorry I'm saying his name in Dutch but it's Ruland is what people call it um yeah um but he he didn't know about he does not know where it comes from. But if you if you look at a dutyium lamp, I don't know if you ever heard of that, but that that creates you can look it up, but um that that skips off UV light. Um it's it's fascinating. And so it it is um under pressure. That's what how it happens. So it is assumed that that also takes place in our bloodstream. and and um is uh you know it it's important for all the uh amino ac the um uh the different amino acids um to activate them. So yeah, it's there's a lot there's so much. Yeah, I mean I I I remember seeing a video uh I came across it recently as well actually, but when a sperm meets an egg and you know different sperms will not be able to get purchased and then one does there there's a flash of light at the moment of conception which is really interesting. But it's an actual actual measurable flash of light. You can see it on on video on uh powerful microscopy and and it it sort of goes around from one side to the other just like that. Just Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so obviously so it is happening. We do know that and and I'm listening to to Jack Cruz and and yourself, you know, it it doesn't surprise me that the body is emitting light in other ways. And I'm I'm it's not going to do that for no reason. You know, there's probably I'm sure there's this this whole quantum um you know, side of our body that uh that that plays a part in. That's right. We truly are electric. We are. Yeah. And if those are are interfered with with all of the currents, you know, world that we live in with these magnetic frequencies and the blue light and uh yeah, it's on and on. Um this affects all of our functioning. So, this is a whole other way. um to think about it and and why we need to address these pieces so urgently and so importantly. Um you know I really talk about my clients I I try to explain that you know the environment that you lived in in which that allowed you to create this cancer let's say or whatever else is the issue. You must change that if you want lasting success in reversing what's happening. And that's um likely the hardest part, you know, for people to do these pieces, but it I think it's really crucial and um yeah, that's that's what we all work on. Yeah. So So how bad exactly is blue light? Artificial blue light obviously. So it it I think it's truly detrimental for us and um it forces us to truly change. So this is that piece about palm seed that um basically there is something called a clip enzyme and that gets generated um activated through blue light and that's um causes us to increase our glucose and insulin levels and we don't have to even eat high glucose foods for that to happen. So you can have insulin resistance um just by blue light. And I think this is the data that we're also really seeing from India where we have the greatest population that is skinny um that has uh insulin resistance and diabetes. That's the largest it's their greatest um health challenge. And so um you know we have sensors everywhere in our skin. Um, and uh, it's there's so many pieces to it. I'm not even clear exactly on how best to summarize that for you, but the it it's just devastating. It's devastating for our eyes, for our skin. You know, I have my yellow filters on here. Um, I'm working only on um an Ethernet cable so that I don't expose myself even further, even though there's enough coming from this anyway. You know, I I've tested it. Um, but this is at least the least damaging that I can can be. But ideally, we should all be sitting outside or have plexiglass in our windows so that we at least allow for the red light to come through because regular glass does not allow for that. So, um, yeah, we have to really change the way our homes are built, how we do our days. Um, and that's difficult because most of us are behind computers on a daily basis. Yeah. Yeah. Do do we understand the mechanism behind blue light causing insulin resistance and elevating the glucose? Yeah. This is through that palm sea gene. And um so the palm sea has to be activated by UV light by UVA light specifically. And once that is uh activated you produce the different forms of um melano stimulating hormone, the alpha, the beta, the gamma and that then gives rise to melanin. And melanin is ultimately the um most important semiconductor in our body that can absorb all the light spectra and then um use that to um to further um charge separate water and increase um our own metabolic water production. and then of course release electrons again and those electrons will add to the net negative charge of the cell. So this is an an amazing um and and you know Dr. Cruz can explain this in much greater detail but it used to be like all other animals they have their melanin either in their feathers or in their skin. Um but we have all internalized it and it's in inside of our brain. It's inside of our cookia, it's inside of the ovaries. I think is a really high amount of melanin. But all of this is is um extremely important for functioning. But if we are not getting UVA light, then we don't have that activation. Then we don't have the melanin. Then everything starts breaking down. And that's ultimately the the part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. So yeah. Yeah. Well, um, yeah, I I I really love the light stuff and I I think that I think that it all comes back to just living in a in a biologically appropriate way for our species. You know, we're going away from that obviously. You know, I come at this from a from a nutrition standpoint because it's a huge issue, but light is is a massive issue as well because we're in no way in a in a natural light environment either. And um and I I'm I'm very fascinated by the work that's coming out in that field. I have a number of colleagues that are just they're just really blown away by this as well. And they just sort of shifted their whole practice. Yes, they do ketogenic carnivore and just all that sort of stuff. But like probably the biggest thing is they're just like you need to be outside. You need to get rid of these lights and all that sort of stuff. That's one of the major things that they do. So it's it's very very interesting to me. I mean, I think we have to because it's just not enough. It's not enough changing the food. We know that. And you know, some would say like Trump's food. It's not It's not going to do it for you just by that. It's a huge step and I know it will make a difference, but it won't solve all your problems by no means. You know, that that's really what we have to recognize that we have to go there. Yeah. I guess we could think about it as as you're getting fed in different directions in different means. you know, food is one source of nutrition, but you you're getting other sorts of inputs from the light environment. And so, you need that as a source of nutrition as well. And and it's it's never a good idea to eat poison. And that's why we try not to eat poison, change our diet, but it's also not a good idea to get exposed. You know, you could get get light poisoning as well. you know, one of the one of the healthier people that I've met um is Lady Maggie, who um you know, she's 80 80 now 84 year old turning 84 year old rancher. She's been carnivore her whole life. She's been crazy healthy and she's still at 84, you know, working 16-hour days, sometimes 36 hours straight if she has to, during CVing and all that sort of stuff. She's just up all the time and doing two-hour checks overnight, all that sort of stuff. And she's doing this all herself. It's not like she's just, you know, there with a big white hat just watching all her field hands, you know, do their work. She's doing it. And that is probably a huge part of that. A, she's physically active and she's doing a lot of stuff with her body. So, her body is staying strong and healthy, but also she's outside. She's outside. That's exactly right. Yeah. I know. I listen to that podcast. It's fascinating. She's She's unbelievable. She's a powerhouse at that age doing what she's doing as you know that's very rare. Um but yeah she's outside that's the key and she's also into cold you know she's in cold as well and that's another part of it. Cold um is extremely useful if you don't have the light at least you have that part that will then um do the whole cold thermogenesis piece that is so crucial for our mitochondria as well. These are the two ways for us to do it light and cold. Yeah. you know, in the in the winter months, like is it enough to people just to get outside and get the light in in their eyes or does it do you need it on your skin as well or how does that work? Well, there's no there's not much UV light and this all depends on of course where you are on what latitude. Um, but yeah, I think if you get it in your eyes most importantly is is absolutely key. Um, but if you can do the colds and as well and the sunshine that would be even better. So submerging yourself in cold water is really a whole other level. And then and then you mentioned how how actual you know silicon glass will block out red um red red light. What's what's the importance of the red light? So infrared light or the different um spectra of red light are um there's there have been great podcasts on that as well. Max um Galhane did some beautiful ones. Um and basically it um that we have in our mitochondria the different complexes and on complex 4 um it is fueled by infrared light and so you upregulate even the production of your metabolic water at a higher rate doing so. And um infrared light in that sense is beautiful and healing. and my clients really love it. In some cases, it helps you with your, you know, different hormonals, with um with hair growth, for pain, all of it. It's it's a very useful um light source to use. Yeah. So, even even as an artificial, I mean, not getting it directly from the obviously you're getting red light from the sun out, being out in the sun, but you mean like like getting red light lamps, is that beneficial? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. um I think it's useful to um use for treatment but also in the evenings um when we are still on on computers or we want to light our space to definitely balance the spectra and I will have some infrared light on as well um to complement that uh yeah to be kind to our skin and not you know it's it's difficult um in most places you can't even buy the incandescent light bulbs anymore but um that would be a preferred Um there is an executive order I think it was signed that you can choose again to buy the light bulb of your choice but um made that illegal like why you know they didain insane um but I think um there are ways of getting them and so that would be another approach to at least make sure that you're not under LED um or um compact fluorescent light bulbs which they just destroy your melatonin. Um but uh yeah, I I think infrared light is very useful and I use it as a source in the evenings for for lighting my environment. I do wonder like why they would ever make um incandescent bulbs illegal and you you have to get this blue light spectrum sort of LED, you know, in the whole sort of uh you know, when you see when you see enough of this stuff, you you start becoming very cynical. is are seeing people doing something on purpose in order to to manipulate people in some certain way. Yeah. And and they're doing it in one area, you know, they're often doing it in other areas. And and I know Dr. Cruz talks about what was it the MK Ultra project that the CIA did looking at stimulating certain parts of the brain. He can make primates very docil and he knows about this because he was in the neurosurgery program at Tain that was doing that putting the pro probes in there and then they found that like they as in Jack and then the researchers found that giving certain frequencies of blue light stimulating the same parts of the brain made them very docil and that happens to be the exact spectrum of blue light that h that comes in all our LEDs and on our computers and on our TVs and on our phones y and so that seems purposeful and then when they're, you know, making it illegal to get the like it's allowed you're allowed to have or you were allowed to have them and but you just weren't allowed to sell them so they ran out and um you know and now you have to get these lights. They're toxic in this way and make people docel and and and controllable in lab experiments. You that just I don't know that just that just uh you know sounds some alarms in my head. It should. Yes, it should. Yeah. Yeah. Keeping keeping us all sick and uh and addicted and um in low dopamine state all in all of it. Yeah. Sick, scared, ignorant people are very easy to control. That's right. Especially when you have when you're going to be the one to provide the healthcare, when you're going to be the one to protect it, when you're going to provide the safety and security and food and money and housing and you know and and you're just there and worried and upset and unwell that that looks like a very good option and of course that's just you know as Fred Hayek said the road to surfom aka slavery because the surf were definitely slaves. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very scary stuff. Um so for practical purpose, oh actually one one quick question because I I was speaking with Gabor Sami who you know did a lot of the early and you know is doing a lot of the research on dutarium and and sort of started this ball rolling. He was saying that in his cancer research studies that some of his patients that a lot of them were responding really really well with duterine depleted water. Then he had like one guy that just wasn't responding at all. cancer wasn't going away. And it turns out that he was taking like high doses of vitamin C and antioxidants. And it turns out there was there actually that was detrimental because the the cancer cells died of oxidative stress. And so if you and so the duty force had a lot of free radicals, a lot of oxidative stress and eventually they just died. And by putting in vitamin C, you're actually protecting the cancer cells. When you're considering this sort of therapies or ketogenic metabolic therapy, dutarium depletion, etc. for someone with cancer. Is that something you take into consideration as well? Yeah. So, I'm so glad you brought that up. I think it's an important issue and I think um we have to actually start talking differently about antioxidants because you know that term just gets used for almost all sorts of substances and I think there's a great variety in what we use and again Cameron Bour made a great um substack about this that we should really be calling them redux modulators rather than antioxidants and I think there's a great variety in what substances people can use and you know I agree with with Gabbor that we should not be using highdose vitamin C or or synthetic glutathione for that matter at all. I think regardless I don't think those are great period on duty nucleop water or not but to say that we can't use any agents that have some aspect of antioxidant properties is also not correct and I think it confuses people um and that's my issue with that statement if you look at my website I actually listed all of the different mechanisms by which duterum deplet depleting water depleted water can help you improve and reverse disease process. And so only one of those is actually has to do with causing this oxidative stress piece. There's many other mechanisms. So I want to really be clear that that yes, synthetic supplements are not a good idea really probably almost never. So but um at the same time so so there is a therapy currently being used and it's in its um phase three um studies trials I should say um by a company called courses in Switzerland and it's a very high dose of isocetin which is an even more potent version of a corsetin and it has many beautiful properties um and it's paired with a teeny amount of B3 and vitamin vitin C and then um at the same time uh they use saffer lucost which is basically um a drug that's off patent and they're using it for all of its anti-cancer properties at the same time um it is a really potent um phospho phosphod isomease inhibitor and that's a protein that's very present in in tumors so that is is a part of it another piece is that it's a vef inhibtor So that's really great. So they match that with the isocetin and they've done that synergistically with people undergoing chemotherapy and the results are quite astonishing like they're getting really really great um benefit from that. And so that's to the point like it's really specific to what you consider to be an antioxidant and what all the other properties of that compound are. And so that needs to be it's more nuanced than that, you know, but honestly I I'm totally in agreement with synthetic supplements. I don't use them. I don't advocate them. Um, you know, I'm not a supporter of vitamin D supplementation either. I want you in the sun. And, you know, I think I've collected over 500 papers now um that on vitamin D. And the reality is it's so much more complex. And people say just drive your level up to 100 if you have cancer. It's wrong. It's just wrong. And um I can make a huge case with but it's just we need to be in the sunlight. Tumor cells have VDR receptors too. And it's inappropriate to drive that to levels that are is we don't we don't even um understand that there are 20 or more forms of vitamin D. And the one that we're tracking and the one that we're giving is involved in calcium metabolism, not so much anti-cancer. And those studies have already been published too that they say, "Oh yes, these people with cancer were low in vitamin D. We gave them vitamin D, didn't work. No, no clinical benefit." So, you know, anyway, I'm going off on a tangent, but I'm I Yeah. So, we have to be considerate in all of the agents that we use in somebody that's that's not well. And uh I agree. They they can't compete in pathways. That's for sure. That would be bad. Yeah. Well, there's definitely um a difference between the you know, the vitamin D that you make from the sun and get from food and that we supplement as well very differently chemically in our body. And so, yeah, I'm I'm the same way. If I have a patient that has low vitamin D, I'm fixing their diet. I'm telling him to get out in the sun. And um and that that's interesting too, not um people that don't necessarily know, you know, there's I was actually told this when I was a kid. My dad told me this, so this was this was something that he knew, but um I found this later in papers that um you make vitamin D is sort of a sun UV blocker protected, just a bit of a sun protection. And it some studies have been shown that it can take up to 48 hours for it to um reabsorb fully in your skin. You know, you make some, you know, under the ep epithelial layer, but a lot of it we get on more superficially and get in the sebum in our skin. And so, if you take a shower after you go in the sun, you just wash it all off and you won't absorb it. Oh, you only need to be in the sun for 15 minutes to get all the vitamin D that you need. Well, why is your vitamin D load then? You know, it's not working. And because people are just showering directly afterwards and um so I I would always tell them well the recommendation when I was a kid was was at least wait six to eight hours before you shower and um and so that's what I I tell my patients or I' I've seen people even just changing okay you know go in the sun today okay you know if you want to rinse off get your armpits and things like that but then just like leave the bulk of your skin alone and don't wash that with soap. That's right. And I've seen people's vitamin D go way up just by doing that. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, um I was going to um ask you as well since we were talking about cancer and um and obviously that's a very very big hot button item is getting more and more publications coming out with alternate therapies either as an adjunct or some people are choosing to do this instead. things like GBM um that you know of it's it's we haven't had many advancements in treatment in in the last century and so the people that are are living longer um at least in anecdotally are going outside of that and saying okay I'm not I'll get the surgery but I'm the chemo and radiation don't seem to be doing much and they're going down the ke ketogenic metabolic therapy route the dutarium route those sorts of things. Yeah. Um that's something you treat. Is that correct? I mean treat um I advise people in in certain Yeah. approaches to include when they are faced with that. Yeah. But as you know that's just a devastating form of cancer and very very difficult. There's an incredible case of a priest in Hungary who has maintained um you know his cancer-free status after I think it's he's over seven years now um of consuming um just a a totally carnivore highfat organ-based meal. That's it. That's all he does. Very good. Yeah. And then um and we we didn't touch on this but that you know sort of when you're when you're helping somebody put put together a plan would it be ketogenic sort of dietary approach dutyium and then um and what else what sort of what sort of recommendations would you have for people when they're when they're facing something like cancer? Um yeah so really um I try to help them navigate the entire terrain of treatment options and so forth. Um, and I definitely we discuss of course food. Um, I want them that to me the most important aspect is for them to be able to be metabolically flexible. Um, that they can use fat for fuel. Most people can't. They have never been in ketosis. It takes weeks and weeks to get there. There's lots of frustration. Um, so some fasting maybe we will do and then then it goes. Uh so yeah, food is is important. Low dutarium types of foods to me um is the key and that is also just highfat and ketogenic, you know, um carnivore diet. Um and then um I like to pair that with um of course all of the the sun parts and mitigating your Wi-Fi situation. Um I like to do some specific labs and um make sure that there aren't any deficiencies that we should address or cover. um you know basically that is um the extent of yeah there's just I do research for them on the specific treatments that they've been recommended as well and then we make sure that that would be right or in some cases um we are able to you know write a case for the oncologist and come up with a less toxic approach and first try that and that has worked beautifully. Um but if you come with data and if you come informed reason then that can work. So, these are all part of the of of the approach that that I help them by, you know, and in some cases, you really just do need these um uh targeted tumor terminating therapies um because I've also seen clients who insist on not doing anything and trying to coexist with tumors for years on end. And, you know, it takes a toll on the body to do that. And um I I think a blend of reasonable interventions makes sense. Hey guys, just want to take a second to thank our sponsor, Carnivore Bar. I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat. For those times that you're out hiking, road tripping, or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat, fat, and salt if you want it, the Carnivore Bar is a great option. So I like this product not because it's just pure meat, but also because I want the carnivore market to thrive as well. And the more we support meat only products, the more meatonly products there will be available in the mainstream. So if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind, check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off, which also applies to subscriptions, giving you 25% off total. All right, thanks guys. What about the the the idea about um interrupting glutamine and using the the other sort of agents that um that can disrupt glutamine? Yeah. So, I I'm not at all um uh convinced that that's a strategy. In fact, I wrote an article on on that for the Townson newsletter. Um I don't think glutamine is is an important substrate for tumors at all. And in fact, cancer patients do need some glutamine at the end for um I have had a client who had um bilateral breast cancer and she um tried that strategy. Uh and I know it's anecdotal and it's only one case but she did all the all the exact um recommendations and she was on the medications as um suggested by um Thomas safe and it didn't work. Her tumors doubled. So, you know, we know because of course there's way many more things going on and if we don't have very specific data on how to uh what what your amino status amino acid status is first of all what it is like very detailed information then maybe you can start addressing it there there therapies like this being done in Europe right now as well um and I I just don't know how how that would be helpful. It's very difficult for me to wrap my head around. Um I I think there are other other therapies to consider and one um that I really think has a lot of promise and I have several of my clients currently um on them or in the process of starting them and um that is personalized pulled peptides and those are are very different um than anything else that I've come across really. It's a treatment where they do um very um deep analysis on your blood and urine and it is really looking at protein expression um and to see how they can come up with a personal um uh basically script for you to inject for a year um couple times a week to override and correct and or maybe reinstruct certain um expression of genes that are happening with these proteins. And they um had an a really great success rate of over 70% of latestage cancer of 3 years of no evidence of disease, which as you know for that late stage is really difficult to to accomplish. And um yeah, so so I think there's a lot that makes a lot of sense to me. And certainly if you've done um other therapies where you find yourself in a place where you are currently not observing any cancer on scans I think that makes a lot of sense in addition to you know changing your entire environment and and making sure that you do everything to you know maintain great charge of yourselves and are able to you know keep going forward. Yeah. I also want I want to preface for people listening also that that neither of us are advocating to like not go to the oncologist and and talk to them about care because I think is a very very important role that we have in in um alopathic medicine for cancer care and some are extremely effective. You know there's some some cancer treatments that you know for certain things for you know chemo radiation whatever they could have an you know 90 plus% fiveyear survival rate and remission rate and things like that for certain things and other ones are not so good such as GBM which much much much uh lower uh fiveyear fiveyear survival but um it's something certainly to take take holistically and think about other sorts of things that can add on to your treatment and um and and think about things that don't just okay well this is this is the only option because there could there can be other options and so to be um yeah just so people know that uh you still go to your oncologist oh I totally support that yes absolutely and that's what I I try to do and work with them as a team and you know um you want to get out of the system that you've paid into for so long that's another aspect of it but yeah you're right some of these treatments do work and they work SH it's been shown and um radiation for a short course can be extremely effective um so that you know you can keep going and that that's what it's ultimately all about trying to overcome it. Yeah definitely. Yeah. Um so then you know there there are some people that are now coming to things like ivormectin fendazol mendazol is there is there a role for that in certain cancer lines? So, I think those are treatments that I cannot prescribe, but um most of my clients are self-directing them and using them regardless. Um and they don't often tell their oncologists that because they're afraid that they may not receive care any longer. this is a real issue and um if the data continues the testimonials that um we're hearing uh are so strong and so helpful and particularly in a synergistic fashion I I think we must acknowledge that there's a role for that and hopefully we will. Yeah. Do you um have a sort of proposed mechanism of action that these anti generally antiparasitics would work? I mean some people are saying that that it's actually cancers are actually parasitical infections and that's why these things work. But yeah, what are your thoughts? Yeah, I I think they actually work by many different mechanisms and they work um uh I don't think cancer is a parasitic infection. I I think do I so but I I think um nor is it a fungal infection. I think um you know the the beauty so and I've been trying to look at and if only had more time I would know even more about it but the the fenden uh I for sure for fendazol it's it inhibits the um formation of microtubules right that's one huge piece and that's kind of like the cellular skeleton so that that can happen and it's also an antifungal very potent so okay we can see if you look at the data um in many different tumors you will find I don't know for every 10,000 tumor cells there will be one you know fungal cell so okay so that's helpful um and uh for ivormectin I I have now come to 24 different mechanisms that this works I mean yeah and and all the different pathways so there is so many whether it's the mtor or the um napk or it's there's just it's mindboggling so yeah and I'm I'm at 24 and I'm not done so yeah I'm I'm outlining it all. So yeah, clearly there's a role for them, you know. Yeah, I think that's the thing that um the commonality there, you know, people saying, well, this this works on cancers, this also works on um parasites, therefore parasites cause cancer, which well, you know, we do look at cancer cells under very strong microscopes. I've never once seen a parasite, never heard of it being being there or even inside the cells, intracellular parasites or anything like that. Never. I've never seen one. I've never heard of one. doesn't mean that they're not there just I mean but we do look at cancer cells under electron microscopes we can actually you know see the individual mitochondria and no one's really reporting path you know parasites yet so you know there's there's that strike against it maybe we'll find some but so far nothing's come up but there there are similar mechanisms right if you if you block microtubial production you know that's going to stuff up um uh you know fungal uh cell development I mean it just is and So, you know, you can have this common pathway that disrupt both parasites and fungus and cancers. And that's the important thing is it sort of hits those, but it doesn't bugger up the rest of your body. And that's the important distinction there. And that's why it makes it safe, you know, or safer than a lot of other things. That's right. Yep. Ultimately, we want something that's effective. So, if it is turns out to be really as good as so many people are reporting, then Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There is a role for it. That's clear. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's really important to to reopen the, you know, just the the curiosity about these different sorts of things. You know, there's no there multi-million dollar uh drug trials going on for these things because there's not multi-million dollars behind Fenbendazol and Ivormectin because they're cheap, they're off patent. And if one company spends millions of dollar that makes ivormectin spends millions of dollars to say look how great ivormectin is well that doesn't directly that may benefit them slightly but there's anybody else can make ivormectin too and so how much of the market share do they have and so you know it's it's not always worth it to them in a cost benefit analysis and so they just don't do it. So they they look at other things that like you know recently they they were looking at um you know some other infection that I didn't treat it and it was actually shown to be a a known cure even though people made that illegal to treat that but it was actually released when the government document I think it was the DARPA documents that even said this is a known cure and yet they made it they criminalized its use which is again the cynic in me says some what the hell is that about? I mean that just is pretty wild. But instead of using that they and now there's a treatment for that and um and it's very expensive. It's hundreds of dollars a dose and it's basically the same mechanism of action as ivormectin. It's just now it's new so you can patent it. And so that's where that is. But, you know, I think it's I think it's really important to get um you know, private, you know, citizen scientists and and private labs to look at this and um and look at the sort of the reallocation of these these drugs and repurpose them and these other other things because they they are cheap and if they are and if they work and they work better than other thing I mean there's there's this what is it 2018 they found I think it was Ivormectin was like a better treatment than like the the standard of care for breast cancer or something like that. I was like in Mexico somewhere they did that study and so it was just like okay you know we we need to look at this and um and we have we have billions of dollars in government funding going to research but it's but it's being directed into pharmaceuticals and the wrong sort of stuff that's something that can make money on the back end because people at universities etc they'll get these government grants which are you know public public money they'll get this grant money to then do some research so that they can go and patent it you know, that patent money doesn't go back to the American citizens who paid for it. It goes to them. It goes to the university. It goes to the institution that came up with it. So, that's that's that's got to go. And um and if if that goes and they're not going to they're not looking for this product to make at the end of it. And this money needs to go towards just just good science really. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. We can hopefully some of that will change in the next few years. I I remain hopeful of that. So, let's see. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Um, well, Patrick, thank you so much for that. Um, that was that was really interesting. I mean, there's so many things that you could have just spent hours on each little thing. I know, but it was great to um get that overview. Um, where can people find you? What's your um social media and website and and etc. So, people can find you and see more of your work. Yeah, I'm I'm not really into social media, but my website is Dr. Patra. I just can't. Um it's a time suck. Uh Dr. Patra D just for the TA for my last name.com. And um I'm also uh closely working with Logan Duval um and a team of really great um support um Villim Wrestler, Sophia Dorfsman and um Joe Campo. creating a um educational platform uh for sewing prosperity to really um help spread awareness um for everyone who is facing a cancer diagnosis to um and even just to prevent a cancer diagnosis all of it. Uh and so that that's great. So soon at sewingprosperity.com there will be lots more information coming. Okay, great. Well, I will put those down in the in the description and people can go find that there. And yeah, I encourage everyone to go check it out and and you know, like you said, you have tons of resources there that we discuss here and go in a lot more detail there. So, that's great. Um, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. It was it was great to to see you and talk to you uh in sort of face to face. Yeah, you're so welcome. It was my pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everyone for joining. 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