Special Guest Interview with Rina Ahluwalia of the 5 Minute Body!

[Music] hi this is dr anthony chafee uh here again uh with a very special guest uh who i was i guess was on her show uh reena also known as the five minute body rina how are you i'm well thank you anthony how's it going it's going well thank you um for those who don't uh know who you are aren't familiar with your work can you tell us a bit about yourself yes so i am the creator of the five-minute body so it's really a journey for me to find my optimal health and i've been trying to find my optimal health for the last 40 years and we did speak about this previously but you know coming from a very dysfunctional upbringing you know i had a very rough childhood with verbal and emotional abuse you know restrictive eating eating disorders and really trying to find my way through health and that's what i created is the five minute body which is five pillars that you guys can use that i have used to heal myself to heal my trauma and really try to find optimal health and i know we share carnivore carnivore is one of them so i have been kind of off for the last 10 months and i've absolutely loved it uh but as i said to you carnival cures carnivore is amazing to cure disease to help with a lot of ailments but mindset really matters especially when you come from an eating disorder restrictive eating trauma childhood problems carnivores not going to fix that no diet is going to fix that and that's what i have really found through my journey through being almost 40 next year where i really work on my mindset i really work on some health principles to heal me and just to live joyfully so that's who i am great um and how did you come to carnivore in the first place what did you do like a transition in how did you hear about it what made you interested in it i'm not really i'm an all or nothing type personality so next day i was kind of awful so basically i uh listened to dr king berry and i was like what no vegetables no fruits that's bad for you because i was keto 10 years ago right so i was eating the meat the eggs the dairy the nuts the seeds but i still had a lot of sugar addiction i still had a lot of bloating i still had acne so keto and keto is great keto works for a lot of people but keto did not work for me and when i heard about this carnival diet i was like what the heck like just eating meat i never used to eat red meat ever i was scared of eating red meat i used to eat a lot of chicken now if i eat chicken i literally cannot eat chicken um but i was eating a lot of fish and chicken and lean cuts of meat and when i was listening to the likes of dr ken berry even you anthony um talking about eating red meat fatty meat the fattier the better that was really you know interesting to me to even try it so i did try it i did a 30 day beefoni challenge and then you know it really it's really really helped in terms of eating until i'm satisfied so as i said to you previously i'm not the type of person that can fast because it triggers me it triggers emotional eating it triggers me to overeat because even when it comes with like to butter i can over eat butter so i don't have a stop button that i feel that i'm full and i will stop or even with some types of meats or just different things i don't really have a stop button so but eating beef for some reason or even eating red meat i do have that feeling of like oh i can't eat anymore it's called like palette fatigue where that's what bella the steak and butter girl said where you just eat and eat and eat like just say beef and then you just get to a point where you really can't eat anymore um but it's worked really really well and it's super easy like i just find it really easy but again i'm an all or nothing personality so i don't really care for that much variation i can eat the same food day in day out and that's what i did like even in my 20s eating high carb low fat but eating the same thing day in and day out for 10 years yeah and um yeah well you know like you're saying keto didn't didn't work for you it's it's it's one of those things that like keto is very different you know it's like saying you know veg you know vegan diet or something like that you know oreo cookies are vegan i was like say you know you know someone says they're on a vegan diet like okay so you're on the oreo cookie and heroin diet you know they're both vegan both vegetarian you know yeah and so keto diet is is simply the absence of of carbs you know so you could you could have all sorts of other things that are you know toxic you know obviously that's why i you know uh do a carnivore diet myself because you're eliminating all these these sorts of uh toxic elements but when a lot of people go on a keto keto diet they're told that you get all your nutrients from uh the plants that you eat the vegetables so they end up actually increasing the amount of greens and vegetables and and things that they eat as long as they don't have carbs and and then all of a sudden they feel miserable because of that and um i think that's probably to do yeah you know something a causative factor in the so-called keto flu um that and and and withdrawals from carbohydrates and sugar in particular uh yeah absolutely coffee or whatever because there's nothing biochemically that that's going to make you feel like crap switching over to your natural uh biochemical state or else everyone who fasted would feel like they had the flu the whole time you know which they don't you know but it's interesting to understand that you know not everyone can tolerate vegetables and for some people especially me it gives me a lot of digestive issues a lot of bloating um to the point that i would look like i don't want to say a pregnant woman but it's a very distended belly and for most people they would have no idea what i'm talking about but it could be because of my you know restrictive eating or don't know what it is but i literally can't do vegetables and i stay away from vegetables but i did think that you know oh vegetables is good vegetables is healthy because that's what what we do see even the mediterranean diet that i even spoke to a cardio oh a doctor ron walker yeah and he was going on about the mediterranean diet and i really wanted to be polite because i'm open-minded i love talking to everybody i want to see what they have to say then let me do what's right for me and that's really important when it comes to optimal health finding what's right for you but he was talking about mediterranean diet and that it's got the most evidence and i was thinking back to you know our our live streams our patreon live streams i was thinking well even you say around the quality of evidence i'm just curious what is the quality of evidence for the mediterranean diet or even any diet so it really comes back as you keep saying quite rightly on your youtube and everywhere it's about evolution evolution science and where we come from where our ancestors come from and that's what really makes sense to me so i don't really try um i don't really try to follow a label i try to follow what intuitively makes sense and there is no like when it comes back to red meat there is no reason that red meat would be bad for you like if you even look at meat how would that be different to chicken or fish or anything else cholesterol cholesterol as we have discussed there is no problem with cholesterol cholesterol is just a marketing hype to sell you something that you don't need you know saturated fat is good for you ldl not a bad thing it's all natural it naturally happens in your body we don't have to overthink it evolution has been there for millions of years we don't need to think about it too much yeah and as ron walker knows because he was you know we were in a uh a debate on cholesterol together he was on on my side uh and he and dr malortra from england you know we were on the camp of you know this is this is garbage you know cholesterol does not cause heart disease cholesterol is actually really good for you so yeah i know that he's definitely in that camp and you know and saying that you'll meet and think that meat is inherently bad for you that's meat you know like exactly i know does your muscle in your body is that they have a bunch of just carcinogens in them they're just kind of like toxic to your body like your body is meat why would that be a problem um and uh it really doesn't make sense but but it it comes down to actually thinking about what you're being told and the lies like even dr ken barry's book the lies that we have been told you really have to think and the problem in our society i don't want to be too controversial but the problem in our society is that we don't think even what you're saying or any sorry there's a lot of that not thinking there's a lot of that absolutely we we don't think because we're told what to think we're told how to behave or you know like what's on tv or what's in the media even what's happening in the world today we don't know what's happening in the world today there's so many negative things that we see that cultivates in our mind and that that then proceeds in our behaviors in our personality and then in our life so we really have to step back and question what we see every single day because we're getting sold something we are and this is getting a bit tangent but we are the product so if there is something that is keto certified or carnivore certified or anything certified you're getting sold something unless it's just basic meat unless it's just the basics that you can say you know what i know where that came from you're getting sold something it's all marketing yeah yeah absolutely you know what you were saying today in our um live q a session um you know talking about you know people ask about the different thomas lowell books and and i i mentioned one applied economics brilliant book and i was saying that this was a this was the master class on how to think as opposed to what to think and it used to be in schools we were taught how to think we were not taught what to think now we're taught what to think we're told this is what it is and so we're just we're just you know you know stuffed a bunch of you know uh erroneous facts in our head like oh this is how this this is what's going on this is what's going on as well and then they may or may not be going on but that's not what they're supposed to be doing they're supposed to be able to to give the tools teach kids and you know later adults that give them the tools to analyze data critically and come to a decision themselves and that's not what's happening anymore so now people don't know how to do that and i think that's i think there's a there's a purpose behind that because if you you know as they've said for thousands of years you keep people ignorant you keep them under control and um i you know so and there's so many ways that they keep us under control even fluoride in toothpaste there's the tiniest things that they can keep our our brains our bodies in control because that's how society works it's about ego it's about power it's about money and if it's not about that only a small proportion of the society controls the world and we are all little puppets just walking around just following blindly but we need to open our eyes and relating it back to health we need to open our eyes to see not necessarily what is the truth because perhaps we don't know what the truth is because it changes cholesterol was bad 10 years ago and i'm sure that if you were to hear that maybe 10 20 years ago maybe you might think you know what maybe it is but opening your eyes to understand the evidence around like even you you say the usda in 1977 published erroneous data paid off professors all that so you're talking about something that is factually lies it's absolutely not factualized it's absolute lies that is is controlled by the money so even i had an interview with stephanie person um and she's wonderful she's so hilarious she has a horse in her backyard and her backyard is like an outback in texas but that was funny but she even said um follow the money yeah so follow where the money is and i know it doesn't sound great because we want people to have good intentions but when it comes to oh the sunshine is killing me but when it comes to um you know your health the truth the truth for you question everything question the way that you think question you know life yeah absolutely and um you know that that used to be a very common thing you'll follow the money follow the money that's that's you know it's a a a saying for a reason like that's that's always what you do and be nice if people had good intentions but you can't trust that they do um because people have self-serving interests and so you know you need to have a system in place that people do the right thing um you know you know to serve their own self-interests you know i mean that people talk about different economic structures but that just very simply that's that's what a free-market society is you're working in you're you're doing something for your own best interest to make money for yourself but the only way you can do that is if you provide something of benefit to someone else and so if you're not benefiting other people you're not making money and you could be the greediest person in the world that does not that does not affect your paycheck and so you know i i would love to make you know 38 billion dollars a year it's like like that is my level of greed i have just 50 billion every year that's what i want well what what would anyone this is what i don't understand i would race mega yachts and crash them really okay why not what you know okay yeah you know like 50 billion dollars a year yeah just demolition i wouldn't even know what like what to do with it yeah whatever the hell you wanted to but the point is is that like you know me wanting that does not change the reality right so you know people that was oh it's all about greed he's like okay fine but you know if if your greed drives you to do something that benefits other people you know who cares you know so you want a system in place that even the wrong people will do the right thing and so you know well as long as our world is driven by capitalism that's a pretty hard thing because everything a lot of the stuff that we see out there is manipulation by a few powerful people and um you know as you quite rightly said it is about control controlling us to think and do and behave a certain way because if we don't you know go out there pay our taxes have our jobs have our mortgage where's our banking system yeah well you know where where is it so that's that's not that's not true free market though that's people buying off political favors you know what i mean and then that's that's sort of like you know they call it corporatism or crony capitalism but you know i think i think calling it crony capitalism probably isn't fair either because it's actually the antithesis of capitalism capitalism the term capitalism is actually a slur uh you know brought about by karl marx oh it's all about capital it's all about capital it's really a free market enterprise you know as as described by um um but it's not really a free market surprisingly because no it's not oh but that's the problem it's not a free market and but that therein lies a problem you know as if if it were you know things things would be better because people could compete you wouldn't have governments picking winners and losers and uh when you do that when you have uh these very very very powerful you know oligarchs buying political campaigns and paying off politicians to use their power to benefit them you know that is not uh that is not capitalism that is the antithesis of that um so that that's why you know um they the original founding fathers in america wanted the federal government to be you know basically toothless you know jefferson said he wanted the american federal government to be small enough to drown in a bathtub you know now it's it's just engulfing the world you know that's not what it was supposed to do and when if you were a politician and you had no power you had no power to sell and so you know you didn't have that level of corruption at that time until uh it's really getting off track but when fdr started changing the constitution and talking about and changing the different laws and and making it so that the federal government had way more region way more power and could actually spend uh federal dollars on special interests instantly bam you have lobbyists in there going hey we want some we want some we want something we want some and now you have these corporations and these and these people able to buy favors and that should never have existed and that didn't exist for 150 years in american history uh until the 1930s and so you know that's um if we got back to that that would be very helpful but because people really do like power and they really do want power they try to affect these things so you have these couple bright spots in human history you know you have a couple a couple times in ancient greece uh you know the republic of rome um you know bit during the renaissance and then yeah and then you had the american experiment and we had 150 years of that these generally don't last longer than that and so we're on the sort of the the the sunset of that unfortunately hopefully we can you have a new dawn but you know it remains to be seen but we had 150 years of that and and then people were just like yeah i'd really like to just control your ass and so they you know they started you know that's what it is yeah well it is it started with woodrow wilson you know he said like oh we need to get rid of this constitution thing it's old it's outdated you know we need to just have have men strong men bright men to lead people and to just and just to be a dictator because we're so smart and we know better than you and that's even things like um nixon like taking the um the currency off of the gold standard it's all control it's all manipulation it's all these things that we see that we're just like oh yeah that makes sense because of whatever reason but it's all coming to the play of i'm not going to say the u.s but it's all coming to the play of power and all these things that we see we really have to question and this is beyond health i know this is a very broad conversation probably your viewers are like i don't care about this but it means that we have to broaden our horizons to understand like even what's happening like last year the us government printed i think it was 25 of its um currency and we see inflation and why do you think like even now even like where i live i'm like things are getting really expensive but but my salary is not increasing so much and things are getting harder and harder we're getting more behind even if you think about salary decades salaries decades ago our growth in salaries has not increased but the cost of living the rise of goods and services has increased exponentially property prices i mean you're in perth try to come to sydney yeah i'm sure that you can afford a beautiful a beautiful property but properties here are really really expensive i think it's the third world the third most expensive city in the world you know these are all the yeah it's sydney is super super expensive so these are all the things that we have to be mindful in terms of you know the mind games the power plays what's happening in the world and how it relates to your health is that you have to be in control of your own health when it comes to everything question everything question me question you question your doctor and that's another thing which is when you see your gp when you see your doctor and you're getting these blood tests even seeing a cardiologist do not be afraid to question them i recently had my lipids done cholesterol and my ldl my total cholesterol was 13. it went from 6 to 13 so this is in millimoles per liter and then my ldl was at nine millimoles per liter and that was previously 3.5 and my doctor said to me as as you know anthony because i asked you my my doctor said to me you need to go on you need to stop what you're doing or go on a statin so these are and even the idea of why are they recommending a sad i walked out there crying because i was like oh my god but i knew otherwise i knew better but i didn't have the confidence to actually question a doctor and jimmy moore said it's kind of like white coat syndrome that you see a white coat you just think oh they're smarter than me but you're smarter we are all smarter and we need to use our and it's true i'm like a motivational yeah but we do we we really need to you know question what we put in our bodies because what we feed our bodies affects our hormones affects our brain chemistry and affects how we think and behave so it's super important yeah no it is um yeah just just jumping back to you know talking about um inflation and everything like that yeah of course that's that's just a way that's a a way of uh uh illegally taxing you basically you know is because yeah it is when you when you take that money you print that out it devalues the money that you have in the bank and so that's just that's just an extra tax that they're levying against you illegally my my great grandfather said um you know when when they this all started and they started you know taking us off the gold standard now you can just print money and it didn't have to actually be related to the amount of gold um he just said he said to my mom um when i was said somewhere he said um you know when when a country starts counterfeiting its own currency you know you're in trouble and we've been getting into more and more trouble since then so every country like the amount of debt that these countries have they can never repay trillions upon trillions upon trillions of dollars and it's just building up building up and even ray dalio says that if a country's in debt constant debt more than what they can make like from from their gdp there's an issue there's a problem and that's what we see in these first world countries well a lot of countries a lot of them are like that and it's it's a major issue and even like when it comes to the ebbs and flows of the um you know recessions booms and all that kind of thing we are due for a recession right it's just not happening because there's manipulation in the market it's not a free market interest rates money printing all these things you know that are interventions that that the government does just to keep the economy afloat to keep jobs to keep money in circulation but that's not natural it's not natural to have that you know it's just keeping going up and up and up and who knows like what's going to happen in the future but even ray dalio and i think um uh tony robbins was i'm saying that you can expect something to happen in the future we don't know when but you can expect something to happen because even people like when when they live like in world war one world war ii the 30s you know you do have ebbs and flows you should be having a depression there should be it's called winter where you need to retract you need to save and that's the mindset that you need to have so that when you have spring and summer then you can flourish and then you can spin and then you can grow so you need to have these natural cycles and we're actually not seeing that so in our generation especially the the generation below us they've never seen a recession i mean we were around in 08 with the gfc so we've seen the likes around that but for you know the younger generation they haven't seen anything like it and they just think this is a natural economy and it's not no it's not and yeah you should be you know booms and busts uh all the time you know every like two 2.5 years uh there would be yeah there'll be just a boom a bust and then and then a correspondingly um and and larger corresponding boom so you'd have a bus and then you have a bigger gain right after that that was happening for you know hundreds of years uh until you know the the the sort of federal bank in america started uh the fed came in and then they screwed it all up but you know that's that's a lot messed it all up yeah thomas writes uh you know copiously about all these sorts of things and gives hard facts about all that if people are interested but um but uh coming back to um you know you coming back into this you know you were saying that you had you know issues with disordered eating in the past and that that you know fasting would trigger that for you uh you know if you don't mind talking about it what did you uh have to deal with and you know and did this you know sort of way of eating did that that help in any way uh yeah so basically as a child i did mention that i did have a lot of i did have emotional abuse and i did have um verbal abuse and that really manifested into childhood trauma and i didn't know it at the time and even in my 20s i did have something called night eating syndrome so literally i would wake up in the middle of the night after eating like a normal day's food i would wake up in the middle of the night and i would go to the fridge and uncontrollably eat most of my calories that you should be eating for the day i would eat that during the night and so this was cascaded by the fact that i was exercising for an hour and a half every single day doing cardio uh restrictive eating during the day because i felt so full from eating at nighttime and what i found was this night eating syndrome so even i was seeing psychiatrists psychologists they put me on zoloft you know i had anxiety depression all these things because i couldn't work out why i was doing this and for me i'm a very all or nothing type personality i also had like ocd control issues all manifesting from my childhood um and also because my parents they split up like when i was seven so i've actually blocked a lot of my childhood as well so i have no memories even of my childhood so even when i try to see counsellors and i try to heal what was going on i just had no memories of what was happening in my childhood and there were times like going back to uh when i was younger that my mom would go away for weeks at a time like with her partner because she just wanted to survive in her being in her relationship and then my sister was at home bringing guys over doing drugs thumping the door giving me hell so these are all the things that happen in the childhood and then i had that eating disorder and then and then i was doing a high carb low-fat diet for years and as i said when i reached 30 i found keto and that helped i think eating the meat the fats really helped in terms of not having to eat at night i was still doing it like even now sometimes i will wake up i won't eat i'll stop myself because i know why i'm doing it especially if i'm stressed especially if i'm going through something emotional which we spoke about i'm going through something emotional it can flare up so that's what i was saying around carnival it's great and carnivore has really really helped um i don't have this need to binge i don't have this to need to have a feeder sugar addiction eat even with um keto they're eat this they're still trigger foods like nuts who can stop at just 10 nuts or 20 knots i can have a bag of nuts you know almond flour i used to make oh almond flour cookies with um monk fruit or stevia i would have the whole tray and think damn how could i eat and even my my partner at the time was like i would eat more than him because he doesn't have any eating disorders or triggers or restrictive eating so you know keto and all that is not perfect so for me finding carnivore i think having that very strict protocol has helped me because meat is not a trigger food it really isn't there there are certain foods in carnival that triggers me like i can't have cheese i i introduce cheese like camembert triple brie it's delicious but i ate the whole wheel in one day i don't think that's normal yeah i couldn't stop eating it i couldn't stop eating it cream i will drink cream from the i mean it's really strange i don't know if people out there feel the same way or if they experience something different but you know the the media well not the media but what we see with carnival is that oh it's great like fast one meal a day extended fasting eat loads of steak but for me it's not like that i can overeat on carnival foods so to answer your question yes it's really really helps with my eating disorders restrictive eating cat like i don't portion control i just eat eat meat and i can stop especially when it comes to beef i know when i've had enough but as i said cream cheese um sometimes even bacon i can eat a lot of it and i just can't stop yeah so when when you when you when you keep eating is it does it stop tasting or does it keep tasting good the entire time i know that you say that when you eat you you make a lot of food and when it stops tasting good you stop well i don't have that cue it doesn't even taste good i just because it's feeling a different it's feeding a different um thing it's like a lack inside of you that um like the relationship i have with food is not normal relationship with food and i'm really trying to and i've trained my mindset around food is nourishment it's not for entertainment it's not for it's actually to nourish your cells your brain so that you can think and be a better person that's what it is so you need to eat enough until you have natural cues that tell you when you're full but there are times that i can eat and i'll overeat which is okay because then the next meal see that's the thing with with carnival when you overeat then you just don't feel um hungry for your next meal or you typically get that sense of fullness but for me when i have a plate of food in front of me i don't get that feeling of it doesn't taste good anymore there is no stop button so you know carnival is not the be-all and end-all there are it's you know there is a lot that needs to be done with mindset with retraining your your triggers so does it um obviously you can you can sort of keep eating for other reasons um and you know i see people that do that but does does the the taste experience change for you though it's at a certain point yes it does it doesn't taste as it doesn't taste as good because typically when i eat like say for example cheese the first few bites are the best and i know in in theory like like when it comes to food especially when you're hungry those first few bites are absolutely amazing and then and then the the taste kind of dissipates over time which is quite natural but i just don't i just can't stop like how i said i ate the whole wheel of cheese and i was on the bathroom the next day mm-hmm yeah well that that was like maybe it's too much fun uh well yeah yeah it can be yeah and um you know some of those things yeah generally you know getting loose stools from that would be would be from from high fat but um yeah i would have uh some patients sometimes you know that they would they would especially ones that had issues with weight going back and so they would be used to eating you know certain portions they say you eat as much as as you want but i would always try to say you know to listen to the taste as well as as a guide and some people don't don't take that as seriously or maybe just don't you know hear it uh very well the first time and then you know i talked to them again a couple weeks later say hey how's it going and they say i hate it i hate i hate this diet it tastes horrible i was like well why it's just like it just tastes horrible i hate the taste of meat this is just disgusting i have to force me to force feed myself and i say like okay um does it always taste bad even even right at the beginning when you first start and they're like well no like at first it tastes really good but i get halfway through it and it just starts tasting horrible i have to force myself to get through it and they they keep getting through it so yeah i mean there's obviously gonna be other drivers um that you know taste is one thing and then the thing that you're saying but the thing that you're saying is that they they're eating meat so i'm not talking about meat like for example beef oh yeah yeah there's so much that you can eat of beef i'm talking about all the other carnivore approved things like even the carnival bar i love the carnival bar but i ate they i got half a box i ate half that box in like uh i think it was a few days if i have like a stick of butter that's gone in two days honestly like it's not it's not normal well you know the thing is too i mean like a carnivore is great too like i literally just had one before we came on but you know it's they taste great and i think they're really good uh you know for like a snack or if you can't get to somewhere and then what i really like before is like hiking or like you know camping and you're you're going out backpacking and you have i i love them for traveling traveling is amazing like yeah so hiking anytime that you're out it's it's great but i tend to use it as a dessert after it's really strange like the one that has the salt in it so the um grass-fed uh so it's the tallow the salt and then the beef and i just have like a half of it and i have that oh it's delicious oh my goodness yeah but like yeah but the thing is too is i think they're i think they're like 400 calories in in one of these bars so you know you know so you could you could easily demolish a box you know if you're if you're uh you know if you're actually doing eating it just for sustenance which you know i wouldn't i wouldn't recommend you know i mean they are they are expensive and you know they are a treat or they're something that you have for convenience for traveling and i think that um you know um you know making pemmican is a great idea too uh if people can do that not everybody has the the inclination to do that but i've done it before it's not that hard um and you can have this stuff especially if you're hiking or backpacking you just pack this stuff you can you have two weeks of you know i think it's like three quarters of a pound of pemmican is two thousand calories and so you can make it i've never heard of pemmican before the carnivore bar is pemmican so that's what that that's what the name is oh okay sorry yeah so that's what well it's it's it's a it's a version of pemmican it's a little different uh but it's the same ingredients exactly the same ingredients are just mixed up a bit differently and so pemmican is what the native americans used to preserve meat with they would run a herd of buffalo over a cliff and like they got food for the year now right and so um you know all the different tribes all across the great plains the buffalos would be coming by and this little tribe here scare these ones off scare those ones off scares those off and they just keep going off just losing some of their numbers as they went and the buffalo that is and um and so they would dash themselves to death they'd fall off a cliff and they'd die and uh and the native americans would go down and you know harvest their bodies they'd eat the fresh meat while it was fresh but it's obviously just gonna rot and go to hell you know very quickly and so what they would do is they would dry the meat grind it with a you know massive you know mortal mortar and pestle and and then they would render out the fat into liquid state and they'd mix these together so they take the rendered beef tallow or the buffalo tallow and and mix it with this dried powdered ground up meat and it's dead bone dry and they mix it up 50 50 by weight and they they would mix what the carnival bar is yeah exactly yeah yeah and so that's that's the same it's the same idea except when you make pemmic it sort of mixes together and it gets like a mush and then that dries out and it's um just a bit it's a bit different texture wise so they do something a little different and listen to this and make little crunchy bits and have the fat around it um so that that's a little different uh just texture wise like when i made pemmican it was more homogeneous but um you know it's yeah i made it yeah that's amazing wow it's good it's really good yeah and it's amazing yeah you just get very very cheap lean meat um yeah you just want really lean meat and then you just buy tallow like in america talo's a bit easier to come across i just went on amazon and it's very cheap to get uh some just i mean here they have it in coals um i think they have any poles little bars of it yeah yeah yeah but like i'm talking like five liter bottle for seven days ah no we don't have that here yeah yeah so yeah i've looked on i've looked on amazon other places it's it's a bit more expensive it's a bit more harder to come by but you can get it you can certainly get it it's not it's not all that much and yeah i don't know you know at kohl's um in australia it's uh yeah so it's it's a couple bucks for like a little block of it and and you can make a decent amount with that um and yeah you just just sort of melt it until it's liquid then you and you mix that liquid stuff in with the powdered stuff uh yeah so i just you know i just dried out cut these things very very thin and then just put them in you put them in the oven at the lowest temperature and you have the door open and that just helps accelerate the drying and you just dry this stuff out until it's you know it's bone dry and then you grind it up you have like a high-powered blender and you just pulverize the stuff it's loud as hell i mean it's like you're blending rocks but like it it eventually gets there and and then you you just just mix these things together and um and they're great and just put these and you put in like in a cookie cooking tray or like a baking tray um and it just sort of solidifies you put it in the fridge and then you just cut off chunks of it same same idea and so you can make it yourself and that's good it's much more affordable i think yeah of course you might try it yeah and that's the thing you know i i like the carnival bar simply it's the only thing i've ever accepted as a like a sponsor or something to be involved with simply because it just it just is the ingredients that that i want and if um it's very clean very cool yeah exactly and so you know this is one of those things that i used to make pemmican to go out hiking or if i went out backpacking like i don't want to bring a bunch of you know rice and crap like that you know i want to bring pemmican and so you know because of its uh caloric uh um density you can bring 10 you know 10 pounds of pemmican is two weeks of uh food on a perfect nutrition on a 2000 calorie a day diet you may use more or less but it's um that that's the that's what uh 2000 calories does for you 10 pounds 10 pounds so you go out backpacking and you've got 10 pounds of pack pack weight for two weeks of food and you know maybe you can do better with some do some dried pasta noodles yeah probably can but it's not perfect nutrition you know it's not gonna be anything anymore of nutrients by the way so yeah it's just some calories and that's it you know and and a bunch of other other crap that you don't want so um i used to do that for that exactly that and that's that's why i like this so but it's not something you know i certainly wouldn't just eat it as a meal like i mean you you eat me just get meat it's it's uh it's better to do it that way but that's the other thing that i love about the carnival diet and what works really well for me especially if people have restrictive eating or eating disorders is that you really don't have to count calories or think about portion control think about how much you need to eat because even as you say anthony that things level out in the end when you're eating for the appropriate human when you're eating an appropriate human diet your body just naturally will even things out like you can't eat really too much fat like even for me i'll eat all that butter all that cheese but the stools it all comes out your body doesn't sorry it's too much information but your body doesn't really hold on to that kind of thing and it's really con um it's it's counterintuitive because we think that we need to portion control count calories but if you're eating carbs you probably need to be doing that because your body's going to hold on to all that water and anti-nutrient but if you're eating meat and fat you don't have to do any of that so i don't have to ever think about calories portions how much i'm eating how frequent i'm eating even now i will naturally eat without thinking two meals a day yeah two meals a day and i'm not trying to force it i'm not trying to think oh i need to eat at twelve o'clock and four o'clock or fasting or sixteen eight eighteen six i don't even think about it it's so natural that's what i love about the carnival lifestyle i could never do that on keto never on any other diet because even if you have things that are not meat or satisfying or even the saturated fat even anything around meat and all that kind of thing it kind of triggers you to feel hungry like nuts triggered me to feel hungry it never satisfied me um vegetables didn't trigger me to feel hungry but you never kept me feeling full but the other thing going back to keto was that when i was eating i was eating a lot of vegetables because i thought fill up half your plate with vegetables and a quarter of the plate with meat and what i do now is i have a plate it's all me yeah yeah you know what i mean so it's a really it's it's a big mindset shift and that's really what i work on and that's what my channel is about it's all about i i love carnival but i really do love mindset because we have to unlearn all the things like we were talking about beyond health we have to unlearn the stuff that we think is right you know calories even the idea about how the idea of calories and where that came from that doesn't even make sense because if you burn you know a univ of energy that's not the way that food behaves in our body thermo dynamics like all these different things you know the human body is not like this on a it's not machine combustion engine yeah it's not a combustion engine exactly right it's not like a car like it's it's um you know and and yeah so yeah right and yeah this thing is that um you know when you're eating a carnivore diet you can actually listen to your instincts like you have these instincts you know they're they're you know they were uh you know hardwired in there there's a lot of very complex processes that are involved here and you know we just to believe that they're just complete garbage and utter crap i mean then why do we have them you know that doesn't that doesn't really make sense and so if you if you can't trust your your senses uh now or a sense of taste even it's like something tastes bitter you know uh you know we talked about dr gundry today and how he wrote the plant paradox and how he got it he got all these things so correct how these like you know these different uh things in plants like sugars binding with lectins and and you know causing autoimmune issues and heart disease and cancer don't eat them but you can soak them and eat them no but that's what he said it's just like he's like oh yeah all these plants cause all these poisons so don't eat red meat yeah what's wrong with you what's wrong with you don't eat red yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah sorry don't eat red meat no it's crazy yeah that's just like dude seriously what what what is wrong with your with your head right now you know like yeah you know and so you know you know he he's just sort of you know caught up in all of this but like um you know it's uh i forgot my train of thought with that one but like but the uh you know the whole thing it's crazy in terms of like yeah like from from an evolution point of view and even for me that was it oh sorry yeah no that's what he was going to say i remember him saying once um you know when there was like this little thing that came on i think it was just on his instagram thing and it was just really corny like sort of commercial sort of thing like hey dr gundry what's better kale or spinach and he's like well think about it this way the more bitter the more better i was like what is wrong with you is something it tastes worse that means it's better for you what the hell happened in your childhood that harms you so badly that you think that that's true that you know you think that just this torturing yourself is actually a good thing you know it's like stockholm syndrome you know you just like follow and fall in love with your abuser and like the more pain the better that's just masochistic you know like obviously that's wrong why would we be why would we not be able to trust our taste our you know sense of taste says this is bitter this is gross and everything your body's saying spit this out get this out of your mouth do not swallow this so like yeah this is this this must be really good for me that is that is very dumb like and i'm sorry to dr gundry i don't think he's a dumb man but like that is a dumb statement and um you know you can say that that's fine i'm never going to say that but i didn't know but like but that's the thing i i don't i i respect that guy a lot and i think he he did a lot with that book but i just i just think he just fundamentally missed the point he he showed all of these very interesting uh factual processes that you know from these poisons that are in plants and sugar that caused these harms in your body and then came to the utterly wrong conclusion and you know and talking about how you know if it take the worse it tastes the better how many beavers are out there eating things that taste like crap how many deer are eating the shitty tasting leaves you know they don't go around doing that you go by taste you taste it oh no that doesn't taste good i'm not gonna eat that you know that's how nature works and so it makes absolutely no sense biologically uh that the things that taste the worst are the best you know so you can trust your senses if you're eating right and your senses can't help with that sugar is an outlier you know but sugar is a drug and sugar is like you know you just recognize this is a major oh my god sugar is and that's the thing around sugar is that people actually don't get that it is a drug as bad as meth heroin and cocaine has the same brain chemistry in your brain that is sugar it's just legalized like alcohol like like smoking you know it's not good for not age restricted unfortunately oh yeah i really do i really do think sugar should at least be age restricted no it should be banned because it should be it's it's a like the way that they make these foods i mean it's very hard to do because we would have no imagine if sugar was banned what foods would we have left yeah well yeah it's very few most of the most things but you know but just even even just recognizing this actually does cause harm to a developing brain and to an adult brain you know like that that's important you know and that's that's why we age restrict things like alcohol because it's like hey you know you've got a developing brain you don't need to you don't need to go screaming with that and and so that makes sense you know from that standpoint that you don't you really don't want to gum up the works uh before they're they're even uh ready to go yet but you know we're not doing that with sugar and we're we are uh really harming people and we're harming entire generations people um yeah billions of people i mean like even you say that we're meant to live so even you say that we're meant to live to a hundred and fifty years right out of the way yeah 120. so if we move it out of the way eat appropriately that's what we're meant to be living until but why do we not live like that because we have toxins we have sugar we have alcohol we've all these things in our environment destroying our mitochondria destroying our cells and look for me sugar i literally cannot have it and even like when it comes to my birthday i will not have a birthday cake i can't have it because i will go on a i'll go mental it does something in my head that i go oh fuzzy like i just and i just can't stop eating more yeah well that you know that you know people ask me like you know do you not do not just you know have have something sometimes you know just like on special occasions like your birthday and i was like do you do you want to you do meth just sometimes just on your birthday just for especially like just yeah exactly your birthday and you know they sort of get that they're like okay yeah look if you just decide that you don't want something in your body and you you've decided this is bad for me and i don't want it there you know then you just don't have it there you know if you're if you're you know and that that's oh oh good but don't you kind of want to i mean that that that is coming from a place of addiction and and in you know i think an inappropriate relationship with food like you're saying you know food is fuel you know it shouldn't be entertainment you can you can certainly enjoy the food you eat i've never not enjoyed a steak that i had and now that i i know how to make steaks better than most people they're amazing every time and i get you know people saying like oh i'd be a carnivore if i could make steaks like that you know and um and i am and i do so it's like um well i need to learn that as well because i don't know i don't like steaks i need to know how to make a good steak oh yeah i see all these carnivores like see that's a that's the other struggle i have one struggle i have like with the carnival diet is that you see people eating copious amounts of bacon steaks and all this thing i don't eat bacon i don't eat steak majority of my my food is just ground fatty beef day in and day out with some toppings and some eggs and that kind of thing but i needed to learn how to make a steak because i tried and it was not good yeah well yeah i mean it's certainly cheapest to do the ground beef way and if you like that there's nothing there's no problem i love ground beef it's thirteen dollars a kilo and i buy i yeah i i buy two kilos and i eat like i don't know i eat a lot every single day i just eat loads of it like a fried up put in the airfryer make meatballs patties burgers there's so many different ways to make ground beef but i'm very different to most people because i can eat the same thing every day most people can't but most people they actually eat about 13 different things a week 10 to 13 things a week and they think oh i could never do the carnival diet because it's so restrictive well you actually eat the same thing anyway you just you your brain is here to think otherwise because if you actually write down the things that you cook day in day out they're kind of you know the same thing so carnival it's like if you're eating this much on a normal diet carnival is just like maybe like this much yeah well also yeah and a lot of things especially in a western diet you know there will be meat involved with it you're just adding a whole bunch of other nonsense to it and so you can cook meat in very different ways and you have a lot of different recipes for a lot of different you know cuts of meat um as far as steaks concerned though six are fairly fairly easy that's why you know because that you could just you just fry them up in a griddle you know because they're still they're very tender and that's that's you know that's what a steak is whereas like the rest of the cow you have to sort of do other things you have to you know slow cook it or even just grind it up because it's just too tough um and uh and so you can't like you could just find it doesn't taste good i can cook it but it doesn't taste good to me i know i'm strange which kind of cuts of steak scotch fillet yeah and for people who don't speak australian oh is that rib eye i was always curious like what ripper was because because you feel like carnivores i hate rubbing is a criminally uh trimmed ribeye to the point that the butcher should go to jail like right okay yeah it's it's just they've just they've the butchers have butchered it and it like it pisses me off like how they do yeah it's like um and i've even found some that like take away the fat cap what the hell is that that is not a goddamn ribeye or scotch belly if you take off the fat cat and um yeah and they just yeah they just way too much but um the the main trick to cooking a steak is is really the preparation ahead of time you know like that i've done the videos on you know salting you know like just as much salt as you would want on a steak you don't have to just go to town on it um as much as you would want getting that on all surfaces and putting those on the drying rack and and then letting it just sit and uh and dry just overnight is fine uh that makes a big difference or you know if it's if you don't have that much time you just salt it and put it out on your counter at room temperature it'll soak in and you know probably you know an hour or two it'll at least the salt will get through it and it'll taste very different but if you if you put it in the fridge it'll actually help dry it out a bit and that will help it brown better and cook better and just taste better and it concentrates that beefy flavor more and that's good and um so that's that's how i do it and that's that's how you get you know michelin star quality steaks because that's how they do it you're not paying the michelin price yeah exactly and you know some some goon to make it for you like you just do it yourself and you know but that but that's it you look at these these um these restaurants and it's like it's a 30 day wet age 30 day dry aged rib eye that's you know obviously cooked to perfection because they know how to cook a steak hopefully and especially that kind of steak you've spent two months in preparation of that and then you just and you just destroy it would be like you should be you know it's a hanging offense in my book but like um it's the same thing so i wet age for 30 to you know 30 to 45 days and then you know i do i don't do a full dry aging sort of thing like like they're doing where the you you the whole thing dries out into sort of outside rots and you have to sort of cut it away i just do that that salting and leave the stakes up which makes it go faster you have more surface area uh and air contact so it goes faster and you're not getting you're not cultivating a bacteria you're just sort of drying it out a bit tastes amazing tastes absolutely amazing so you know i'm doing that in real time every day so you know i have these things on delay because you know all i'll cut up you know two big loins of ribeye or new york um you know scotch valley and porterhouse here um and and i'll just bought a house as well so you use porterhouse yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so that's something i can because i'm interested in trying like i want to do what you're saying which is to salt it leave it out give give that a go because yeah i mean i really want to like steak so i might try porterhouse as well you know it's um it's one of those things you know if you really enjoy ground beef i mean just go for it because you're you're trying to you're trying you're trying to give yourself an expensive taste right now you know because like you know porterhouse and scotch fella yeah two to three times the price i l well that's why i like ground beef i do love salmon and i love eggs and i think if i could eat those through and butter but if i could eat those three things over and over and over i'll just eat the same thing but i try to show people variations on my youtube channel i do a lot of what i eat in a day videos so i really want to encourage people to try the lifestyle because especially for me it's not just as we spoke about it's just like not a natural lifestyle just for me to be carnival and heal all my trauma there's all these things around carnival that you need to do to find your own health so that's what i do my videos but and also like expert um medical expert interviews but um i i really try to do the variation and so when i have to do those videos i think damn what am i going to show ground beef or ground beef ground beef no people get bored of ground beef so i love ground beef but like you know like even from the outside if i cook for friends and family or something ground beef but like they don't want to eat ground beef i have to make something different and i don't love to cook so that's probably why and look when you like if you try fatty ground beef and you fried in a pan it gets so crispy it's the and was um what's it called redmond's real salt oh my god it's delicious yeah it makes me happy it really is good yeah and then if you say that to other people they're like what that's weird there's like those things they were doing for a while called smash burgers where they put the burger down on like a really hot griddle um with some oil in it and they would and they would take like a weight and just smoosh it on there to really flatten it just to fry up and crisp up uh extremely on that side and then they flip it over and so you get that that crunchy crispy uh surface area without actually like cooking it you know too much all the way through because it's quite thin and like um and it's very hot so it's just flash probably smush it down then you flip it over and get that you know on the other side as well but you still have a bit of pink in the middle and you have this really well done crunchy stuff on the outside um i haven't really been able to do that because i don't have like a big smushy thing i just you know get a rock i guess and like but um you know i don't i don't have that so i haven't really done that myself but um it's something that you could do good yeah they're good yeah now i'd love to try that and then put like a little bit of cheese on top yeah yeah yeah just a bit of cheese like i don't like to go too far like with the cheese because i definitely can't eat a lot of cheese yeah but um oh that would be divine but yeah it's very peculiar interest when you just like to eat this ground beef all the time so definitely not a natural thing no but but that's exactly natural that's exactly what you're supposed to be yeah but to other people it's like i actually don't tell anyone like even you like you eat steaks every single day same thing every single day right yeah yeah pretty much but you don't care what people think of you i really don't care what people think of me but when i try to be my social circles i just try to be a bit normal and not say i'm carnival although people know that i'm carnival but i don't just try to say i just eat ground beef because that's strange to most people you know so but anyway but you know but i mean it's not even it's not that you only eat ground beef it's just that that's the majority of what you eat you know 19 at the time and and because the other thing here like the salmon it's farm raised it's not the best quality salmon so i am mindful of not eating a lot of salmon as well because it's really hard i mean you can get the wild caught salmon but it's super expensive so why not just go for my fattier grain fed beef 13 a kilo super easy cheap eggs and it's just you know it's good it fills me up it's super easy like why not no yeah that's definitely better and just maybe pick up fishing you know and then you know you never have to i have no idea how to fish but maybe you can show me how yeah i don't know yeah well you know people do it you know and they just they just go down the beach or go down the wharf or whatever and they just just go fishing and it's just like just pull out dinner you know and um or you know obviously in more rural areas fishing is a big thing and people just enjoy it they just go out and just go fish and hang out and catch dinner you know and uh yeah it's it's you know definitely wild caught it as well as it gets when you're out in something and it's definitely one of those likes um to lose to to kind of chill out of it as well like just to go out in nature fish find find your meat cook it at home it's very relaxing it's very soothing especially like when it comes to this day and age where we're at work we're sitting all day we're eating really fast not eating the best nutrient-dense foods and then we're just so stressed out in the evening watch tv the whole night sleep past midnight wake up the next day do the same thing but going back to what we intuitively do which is to hunt and gather food eat in tribes and just live and i get it it's hard in this day and age with everything that we spoke about in terms of power ego control and what the world is like but doing ways finding ways that you can retract it um live a simpler life it is a happier life even in my daily practice i do a bit of meditation just five minutes a day i do gratitude i do walking so it's movement all these things they really de-stress you along with the carnival diet all these protocols that we need in our lives because our lives are really hectic otherwise if we don't control it it's going to control us and that's what we need to do to cultivate like even your life your life is crazy you know you know it's so varied in terms of your sleep um you know and and you do the best that you can but as a doctor we all know being on call it's difficult you know um attending to patients you're attending to their needs and their families like even you said to me prior to to this around you know telling people that they have cancer all these things that that stress for you as a person even though you might think oh okay it is like what it is it's part of my job but all these things that we do every day it really does manifest it can manifest into something like biochemistry that is a biochemically that is a bit more stressful yeah i was actually just talking to a gentleman today and unfortunately he had a you know a pretty bad you know diagnosis um yet you know glioblastoma multi-form which is the most aggressive uh primary brain tumor that there is and really just really one of the most aggressive tumors out there um and you know this was this wasn't this wasn't entirely you know news to him you know he had uh he'd have this diagnosis of recurrence and you know we talked about that before but he was back in seeing us for for another reason and and he was saying that you know he and his his wife were there and his wife was saying yes sometimes he gets so you know so upset because he just says well what's the point i'm gonna die anyway it doesn't matter what i do it doesn't matter you know not nothing matters i'm just going to be dead anyway and you know a doctor that he's i don't know who it was or what team it was i'm sure he meant well i'm sure he was just trying to be encouraging to say basically give him a free license hey do whatever you feel like doing just enjoy your life sort of thing um but you know he asked me was like you know what can i do do i need to worry about eating a certain diet or do this or that he's asking is like how can i affect my my disease how can i help this can i do something because people you know they don't like feeling out of control no one likes feeling out of control that they don't have any any say in what happens to their life that's that's not a good feeling you know again kids rebel against this you know like little two-year-old you have to do this they're already fighting back you know it's not something that you know we we like inherently and you know so they were saying they were like you know do you know can i do something should i be certain eating certain things or whatever i said you know what just it doesn't really matter you know because like you know like you know you're and there was asking about like you know their blood sugars and this is imagine is there something like you know on steroids for um you know corticosteroids not not anabolic steroids for um you know to keep the swelling down in his on his tumor and said like hey this is this is screwing up my blood sugars um you know what you know should i be doing something should i be doing something with my diet should i blah blah blah blah he said well you know like you know and should i not be eating sugar you know and he was like well you know like you know these sorts of things like in about five years you know you could develop diabetes you could have some problem with it but you know it doesn't really matter in your case so just you know eat whatever just do whatever who said that to one of his doctors and yeah and just basically it's like you know you're gonna die anyways or who gives a [ __ ] that is not what you need to hear you know and then he's going home saying like what does it matter what it doesn't matter what i do it doesn't matter you know you know what happens because i'm just going to die anyway and i you know i talked to him and i was just i was like i completely disagree with that you know it's like you're your life does matter and what you do matters in it you know to you and to other people around you you know so whatever however much time you have on this earth you know the things that you do matters it's like oh it just doesn't matter what i do you might as well go rob out you know go out and rob a bank and shoot a baby it doesn't matter it doesn't matter anyway no of course it matters you know it matters to the world but it also matters to you and then the things that you do uh will matter to your health and if you eat a bunch of crap yeah it's a self-fulfilling prophecy hey you're going to die anyway so just you know drink and smoke and eat whatever well yeah you know if you drink and smoke and eat whatever yeah you will die and you'll die a lot sooner than if you than if you didn't do that you know so you know if you eat the right things and if you are uh treating your body well you're going to be able to to to do better uh with this disease and it may not be you know enough to live to beat it completely and live forever it's a very nasty disease glioblastoma um but you're going to do better than you would would have otherwise and you when you will live a longer and healthier and better quality life and so the things that you do absolutely matter and and and if they don't you know and and either way they matter to everyone else and if you're happy and you're enjoying your life that's going to make things a lot better for the people around you too that you know maybe you are going to have to you know stay in this world without you and miss you but at least they'll know that you know what he really enjoyed those last few years that he had he he really lived the most of them uh he got the most out of those and so you know i i think these things you know really do matter and uh you know what we do but that's what matters but that's the other thing like when it comes to time because it's when you have a terminal disease like even my dad he has ftd so he's got corico basal syndrome dementia and so obviously and even with with that patient you know that there is an expiry date impending you know it's going to happen and then that just makes you switch like oh okay my life is ending or all these different thoughts but we actually in fact don't know when now time is ending given what's happening in the world given what's happened previously like in the last few like even decades we actually don't know how how long we're going to live like typically we think we're going to live to 80 or 90 or 100 but it's not guaranteed so this idea of like oh i'm not gonna i'm gonna die anyways to let me just have like some cigarettes and alcohol and crappy food and make my make myself feel crap well why what's the point of life what's the point of being here we're actually meant to be here to be joyful to not to be happy because that's a different emotion happiness sadness all those ways of feeling and emotions is normal but we're actually meant to be feeling fulfilled and joyful and to do that you actually need to feed and nourish yourself in the right way for life and not be drugged by a drug by sugar by alcohol by smoking by all these different things that's what life is and i think people miss that a lot even i have just learned that for the last 40 years i was doing like like something different but you know chasing the high for me it was like shopping which is probably an actual thing like with girls right but you just have all this stuff in your um your room or your house and furniture and mortgage and cars and all this kind of thing at the end of the day if you don't have your health and your close relationships then what do you have yeah yeah no i agree and um you know that's the thing it's just sort of a defeatist attitude you know it's just like okay well then why why are you here you know why are you doing anything at all you know if nothing matters and you know people even saying you know like hey you live 120 years or more if you eat right i wouldn't want to live that long well then just kill yourself i mean like you know like if you just don't really enjoy your life like what what the hell are you doing you know like it's it's you know if you don't want it to last that long why you know you know um they don't really actually care much about life really what's happening is they're not thinking they're not really thinking it's not that you know you're just gonna be you know if you would have died at 70 um you know of old age and heart attacks and things like that and they're just thinking like another 50 years of getting more and more decrepit and and and uh you know filled with disease and pain and just getting you know you know just being in a wheelchair the whole time that's not that's not what it is so what we're talking about it's talking about being actually very fit and vigorous and having a very healthy lifestyle and um you know but people just don't think about it but yeah it's like you know it's um is you know why you're talking about like the mindfulness you know like you you have the choice of looking at things uh in one way or the other and and um and if you sort of just look at it you know the whole the whole glass is half full half empty sort of thing like it actually it actually matters you know if you can look you know two people can look at the same situation come to completely different conclusions one person say like well this is just the end of it like oh my god how am i gonna do it deal with this and the other person just was like right okay here's how i handle this this is what i'm gonna do and this is what i'm gonna make the most out of it those two people are very different in in their level of happiness and it's you know they have the same situation you know and you can get dealt a a crappy hand but you know you can make something out of it you know so it's like life's not going to be peaches every day life life is is a struggle and you know living in this world with other people and all the different things are going on like yeah you're going to have to work for it and yeah that's what life is yeah there's actually a quote by uh tom bill you that if you want to build something successful the outcome is not guaranteed but the struggle is the struggle the push the drive and and not even to do with business or anything external but think about your family your relationships all that takes effort it takes time everything in life takes so much dedication and it's going to be a struggle you're right in terms of it's how you think about it yeah no it is and um you know that's one of the things that the carnivore has really helped me with is that you know i've have a much more positive attitude yeah why is that why is that for me sorry i just interjected because yes i have that as well i feel more emotionally stable i sleep better i obviously i'm not hungry but i just see things a lot better than i did before yeah well you know there's you know the specific sort of chemical mechanisms i'm not sure but you know we we absolutely see that people that you know are eating these sorts of things that they're you know their brains don't work the same way they get much more agitated much more upset and you know they they aren't going to be dealing with these things as well as other people you get depression and anxiety much more easily you know low cholesterol will do that to you but also uh you know all the different things that you're eating it just just screws with your breath you know apparently i was talking to someone they were saying just like red dye red dye is apparently um well known uh for for actually just really screwing with your mental stability and um i think it was i think i was talking to kelly oh yeah i was kelly hogan and she was saying that um that like her daughter you know basically raised carnivores you know the whole time and and she was carnivore through pregnancy and and breastfeeding and the kid was only eating you know sort of meat and milk and then all of a sudden you had this that's it had this infection and and needed antibiotics and it was just lingering on and you know just hit antibiotics so it was kidney antibiotic and so it was like this red dyed bitter crap with sugar in it so they would take it down and they you know took it down and all of a sudden like within five minutes this this wonderful sweet angelic child just running around tearing things around just freaking out like what the hell like my child is possessed and she called the doctor i was like oh i think there's something wrong with that medicine i think she's reacting weird to it because you know she's she is losing her mind right now and the doctor even said like yeah actually like the the red dye that they use in there is actually known to cause cause problems like that and like yeah and so you know these these things just screw with you and so when you don't have those insults in your body and your system you just gonna work well and you know how many times you know has someone come to you and just being like oh my life is a mess all these things are going on you can just look at that from the outside looking in and just be like right well this is what you need to do you need to do this do this do this do this do this well that guy's full of [ __ ] so don't listen to him and do this over here and be like and that's what you do and you just go wow that's amazing and they go do it and it works and then you're in that situation you're flustered and you're looking around going like how do i deal with this and you and you mess up and you end up doing the wrong thing you end up you know being you're you know doing something in a reactionary way and it doesn't necessarily come out that well you know that's what that is you're freaking out you can't deal with this but when you're not like that you can you can calmly and collectively look at your own life and just be like okay what do i need to do right okay well that's what i'm gonna do and it makes you very calm so that you can think rationally and you can really for some strange reason and that's what i love like that's why i could never go back to eating just i don't know i don't know like even keto or anything like i just love keeping it simple and i just feel really good even like when i traveled to melbourne and i had to eat like some chicken with a sugary marinade i felt depressed after seriously i'm not joking i felt depressed and i was feeling miserable the whole week because i wasn't eating enough fat and i was eating meat but it just wasn't enough fat um but uh yeah i know it's quite interesting how it manifests into not just you know perhaps weight loss and health but mentally physically emotionally everything yeah i think that you know just thinking about mindset is one that's one thing i try to talk to people as well is that um you think about this as as you know we don't call it a diet because you know diet you know suggested it's temporary and really this is we would say a way of eating or a lifestyle because really that's how you have to think about these things is um is that this is this is something i'm going to do for the rest of my life this is just how i live now you know you decide to not smoke i am not smoking anymore i will not be a smoker and and that's just something that you you have to be determined to do and if you just say well i'm going to stop smoking for now because you know i have pneumonia i'm like you know i'm sort of coughing but you know i'm not going to throw away my cigarettes or anything you know so you know eventually you're going to just start smoking again you know you just will you know if you just decide like hey i'm not doing this anymore then you stop a lot of people say these yo-yo diets there's no yo-yo diet it's that you were doing something that worked and then you stopped doing that thing you know and so obviously you go back to doing what you always did you're gonna have the same results that you have always gotten simple as that and so you know you're not gonna you don't you don't give yourself like a teflon shield against you know gaining weight if you just do the right thing for a while and yeah you know and so you know this is just something that's like think of it as as a as a permanency you know you throw all this stuff out oh well what if i need it again why would you need it again unless you're planning on you know eating stupid things again and getting sick again if that's if that's what you want to do and then do it like you know that's that's your decision but you know if you really want this to work and you want your life to be better long term that's sort of how you have to think about it because if you don't think about it that way it's you're not going to make it permanent and so just thinking about that is like this is actually good for you biologically humans actually are carnivores and so we actually just need meat and we actually don't want plants and plants actually are bad for you you know just knowing that and understanding that and just looking at it that way then you don't even miss it like i don't look at those sorts of things as food they're not food they are not food biologically strictly definitionally speaking who really wants to eat vegetables and loves vegetables i mean like you just eat it because because you think okay i should eat it because i need to have greens but no one's gonna go for it like candy like it's not like i have an addiction to it no it's i take it or leave it but you know if if you tell people that you don't have to eat vegetables most of them will say thank god because i don't really like it anyway so you know the meat is the more flavoursome the better part of the actual meal so i mean it's it's it's not rocket science but the only thing is people love the potatoes people love the pasta the carbs like on the side of it and that's the majority of the meal so that's where they they get unstuck and especially when you have family or friends eating that it is really hard to feel i've been doing it for such a long time and i know if i eat that i'm going to feel like this i'm not going to do it because i don't want to feel like [ __ ] but people that don't know how to feel optimal they will just look at it and have that desire and not don't know how it is to feel the other way that's why even doing an elimination diet 30 days beef only is fantastic because once you eat things back into your diet straight away you'll be like [ __ ] i didn't know i had this reaction yeah even with you and coffee you get a reaction even with you in training you don't get sore yeah you know what i mean so all these things that you're very intuitive that you know because you're very pure and clean and your heart is pure as well fyi but um you know that's the thing people need to actually eliminate all this stuff and that's even when i did at the 30 day beef honey challenge and i had chicken i was like i feel like [ __ ] on chicken i don't eat chicken seriously i used to eat loads of chicken i was eating loads of chicken but i took it all out and then i had chicken and i was like i actually don't really like this yeah well i certainly feel better on beef i've i haven't i've been well it's also going to been i guess i'm on what the chicken eats of course but like you know i didn't um i didn't feel bad anyway at least then but i i never felt as good and but that's the same for baby i didn't feel as good so when i had the chicken with the sugary marinade i felt bad but when i just have chicken plain chicken cooked fried or something i don't feel as good right yeah that's that's the key yes yeah yeah exactly yeah and that yeah i do notice that like you know just red meat just has more nutrients and you know and older cows the reason they taste better to me anyway um you know they're more nutrient dense they've had they've had a longer time to deposit nutrients and so they're just going to taste better they're going to have more flavor because those are going to give chemical responses to your tongue and it's going to say whoa that's some flavor right there you know and so you get a stronger flavor we know this you know like mutton has a much stronger flavor than lamb and lamb has a you know decently strong flavor so people say okay avoid mutton you know it's too strong of a taste or something like that maybe that's their preference but you know i actually like that especially with beef beef like an older cow oh my god it just is so much better so much better um but yeah so so when when you talk to people about all this maybe something that you've noticed yourself but you know what are some of the common you know mistakes or you know pitfalls that people run into you know when they're going on a carnivore diet that they run into that maybe can stall their success or maybe even derail them to where they give up yeah i mean easily is that you have to portion control that you have to calorie count that you have to fast that you have to have one meal a day you have to have two meals a day uh that you just have to um you know just be doing red meat only that you have to eat bacon there's so many things but the biggest mistake is comparison games looking at what other carnivores do and then think that you need to do that and that's what i did i was like i should be eating one meal a day i should be eating more bacon i should not see like i was even now when i talk about ground beef i was just like oh i yeah i eat brown and i feel a bit embarrassed about it but that's cool because i don't eat steak because we see people eating steak that makes sense so there is all these things um and then also you know being around family and friends so they're not going to support you initially most of them won't because they don't understand it carnival is not mainstream and then they will scare you and the idea about cholesterol all these things these are mistakes mistakes that i made along my journey um even thinking that you have to be perfect all the time sometimes like for example i had the chicken with the sugary marinade i was embarrassed to show it on my video because i was like oh that's not perfect that's okay but the thing is keep going at it you're not going to be perfect all the time especially when you eat out the idea that you can't control what oils they cook in they're going to cook in seed oils you can't control that so what are you going to do sit at home the whole time no so even for me the biggest mistake from for me as well was just to be be relaxed about it eat your meat enjoy social occasions but don't be so finicky where you're just thinking i mean for you you might do that um around the seed oils i don't know but for me i don't say is that cooked with canola oil i just say can i have salmon or beef or something or a steak i'm just easy going because i don't want to be embarrassing around my uh friends and then there was another mistake that i was gonna say which i forgot about but i did a video on my top 10 carnival mistakes yeah remember that i agree with all those you know i mean it's it's really just comes down to like just complicating it you know you just don't yeah exactly complicating it making it harder because it's a very very very simple protocol it's probably the simplest protocol that you can eat out there to get you maximum results but it's looking left and right and seeing what other people are doing and thinking you have to do the same thing and you don't and i think the biggest mistake as well i'm saying everything is the biggest mistake but a big mistake is the the forced fasting even you say you don't fart it's just that you're not hungry so it's this mindset shift around we're not fasting we're just not hungry yeah yeah and you know yeah and that's what i call it you know it's just like you know the forced deprivation of food when when you feel that you need it uh that's fasting um you know i don't i don't fast unless i you know i have to you know if i don't have access to food because i'm working and i can't leave the hospital uh yeah okay i just i just won't eat because i can't but um whatever uh but yeah but i don't i don't i don't do it otherwise you know i just but i end up eating you know once a day usually um and sometimes twice a day depending on if i'm working out or not and that's and and that's you know but that's not fasting i'm eating when i'm hungry you know yeah and um yeah and and that you know that was you know a good point you made that you know just because you slip up you know it doesn't mean that you're you're banned from the club like you can still you can still kick it you know it's all right like you know i talked to people you know friends of mine you know on the rugby team uh over in seattle you know they they started getting on it and they were just like oh man i've never felt stronger i felt so great just eating meat well but then i went to my you know my parents house for dinner and they had some ryzen so i ate some rice so i guess that's that's okay that's fine and like they were so dejected and i was like okay we'll just yeah just and then sometimes they feel bad like oh my god i had rice that's so bad listen if you're doing carnival and you're doing it 99 you're 99 better than most other people yeah exactly and like um you know and that thing is is like you'll you'll start seeing like how much better you feel when you when you don't have the rice and actually how much the rice affects you and you're sore for four days and your back hurts and you're like oh why the hell would i i don't want that stuff and you'll just have a natural aversion to it and so you know and as like you know uh there are some people that um you know everyone i think i've actually been very very surprised the comments that i get on my videos have been so positive and it's very nice to see people you know saying that you know how much things have helped and i just i really love seeing that it does it definitely makes this stuff worth it um but um you know sometimes you know i'll talk to someone who isn't isn't as strict as i am and i'll just talk to him because i'm just trying i'm just interested in their experiences with it and you know obviously i i voice my opinion but um you know it's that's what's right for me and in the sense that i really like being pure i really like feeling my best not everyone really cares that much you know or maybe maybe they don't realize how much of a difference it makes but you know they're saying like oh you know i i really wish you would have you know called that guy out for you know what they said about this and it's just like you know someone who's 80 my my ally is not 20 my enemy you know it's okay you know to have to differ in these sorts of things and you know we're all we're all working in the same direction we're all trying to promote meat we're all we're all trying to say that this is this is a healthy thing that people can take control of their health and their life um you know by by just changing very simple things in your life and you know i talk about what i think is optimal and what's the best of the best of the best and you know maybe that people don't don't care to have that fine tune uh of their health but you know and they want something else that's that's totally fine that's not my choice you know i i really like feeling amazing you know rather than anything i've ever eaten tastes you know ever you know and you know i would rather you know feel like a superhero 24 7 then eat something nummy sometimes you know i mean i just don't care about that part of things but you know some people may have two minute pleasure and a lot of pain that comes from eating the wrong food that's that's what i think of it so if i want to ever think that oh i feel like something well how long does it actually take you to eat that piece of chocolate cake or cookie actually time it but think about the the consequences it's going to have on your body your biochemistry and how hungry and addicted it's going to make you after it's the same thing with a cigarette time how long it takes to have a cigarette it's literally like i don't know a minute is it really worth that minute not really yeah and that's that's the shift that i made yeah yeah well yeah that's the shift that i made yeah so it's like the old saying you know a moment on the lips forever on the hips you know yeah so like this you know you have something this little bit of of something and it's enjoyable like you know of course it is um but then this has it says yeah it says actual serious downstream effects it's not it's not just oh it's just a little bit oh it's not that big a deal you know that's that's the exact same argument that junkies have with with cocaine and neff oh it's just it's just a little bit it's just a line here and there it's not that big a deal you and it's so weird like when you say that right like it's just a line of coke like here or there but actually that's what sugar is and it's chemically designed it's chemically designed to it's not just sugar like who can eat table sugar no one can right like you eat it it's like that's weird like i'm not gonna eat a bag full of table sugar why is it so easy to eat an oreo cake or a cookie or like all that delicious stuff because it's not just sugar they're chemically designing it to make it so addictive and hyper palatable yeah well yeah and then you know the the sugar and combined with with fat is you know is definitely uh oh yes that's the sweet spot that's the sweet spot because well because you actually are getting signals to your brain like oh fat's good for me that's good so it increases that signal response um and also you know just just granulated sugar like i think it's a lot of it just to do with texture it's just kind of uh but you read frosting frosting just pure sugar you know people yeah yeah lick bowls of frosting um but there was even a video i saw um on on something just popped up i know it was this little kid and someone was just like oh yeah my little brother's like oh what an animal look at this guy like this was a good thing a bag of sugar at the grocery store had broken and spilled over over on a shelf and his head was sticking his head into the shell from just licking the sugar off off the shelf it's just like yeah that's disgusting oh yeah look at him doing all these lines and looking up cocaine what a badass you know i mean it's the same thing you know that kid is addicted to sugar and you know he's doing something that's you know eminently bad for him and and you think that's that's funny and cute like that's disgusting you know and i you know and people do talk about that i have heard people who do drugs say that oh you know just a couple drinks oh it's just a drink it's not that big a deal it's just one drink what's the big deal you're just saying you know what's a big deal okay it's not a big deal to you you know but you know it's it is a big deal to other people or you know oh just like oh it's just a couple lines what's the big deal you know a couple lines every now and then every couple months who cares it's not going to do anything yeah maybe not but you know a little bit can turn into a lot you know really quickly and of course it does happen it does negative effect on your on your body you know yeah yeah there's there's nobody that can just have just a little bit every now and then like being such a moderator it's it's really not the case it's really really not the case i mean there are exceptions you know i mean there are some people i actually do know there are some people everywhere yeah every couple months you know um that that i you know went to college with and they and they were sincere about and they're just like every now and then they would do this stuff and it but you know you go through ebbs because you know they would actually started going these things where they're doing more and more and more and then they sort of pulled back and were able to control it a little better and uh and just every now and then they do stupid things but um you know mostly they're they're not doing that anymore but i had one friend that i went to college with and he he did you know drugs during college and he said well this is going to be my college experience and then after that i'm done i'm not going to do anything after that and he and he actually did he actually stopped well he uh you know you'll see why i say that but like you know he stopped and he's just like man this guy did a lot i mean he was doing you know cocaine and other drugs regularly you know if not daily then several times a week and then then he's like he's like yeah no i'm graduating so yeah i'm done with this you know i'm just i'm not doing that anymore um yeah you know because i just said that was going to be a college thing and just never do it again so yeah i'm just not going to do it again and you're like stop and then all of a sudden he's just like i mean except when i go to work out i just do like two lines right before i go to the gym and just get a better workout that way but that's it it's only two lines two lines is nothing like it's not that big you know like maybe to you man like you know two lines is two more lines than i've ever done so like i don't need i don't that's a lot to me and so crazy it is crazy but you know that's that's what these you know people are able to uh you know convince themselves are are you know or just a normal thing oh it's not that big a deal it's not that big a deal or just have a cookie what's the big deal people say that about kids oh why don't you let kids enjoy themselves right what's the big deal it's just a cookie that's why they have behavior problems like i literally see my niece and she when she sees the sugar she is actually my sister hides the sugar on the top shelf and she will get a stool and she will find a way to get that sugar that's not normal no that's not normal that's addiction yeah at six years old that's addiction yeah yeah just eating sugar you know that's not good but yeah um all right uh is there you know is there is there anything else you wanted to to close with or say or anything that you wanted to address we haven't come uh no that was everything that was amazing lots of fun thank you anthony awesome um i did want to tell people where they could find me i've got a youtube channel instagram and a website all the same name five minute body awesome well we'll put those in in the show notes as well and people can find you there and encourage them to do that um and also she uh we obviously do uh a patreon uh q a session uh every week try to do it every week um work pending and willing um and unfortunately that does change uh times and dates uh just because my schedule sucks and uh it's not well well well being a neurosurgeon i think that we can forgive you anthony so that's totally fine but uh but yeah and so if you guys want to follow her stuff please do and then and then you can see us as well uh when we're when we're doing our our q a sessions uh thank you so much it was lovely to have you thanks anthony thanks [Music] you