She Ate ONLY ONE Food and REVERSED Her Parkinson's! | Mimi Morgan

Welcome to the Plant Free MD podcast with Dr. Anthony Chaffee, where we discuss diet and nutrition and [music] how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically. Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of the Plant Free MD podcast. I'm your host Dr. Anthony Chaffee and today I have a very special returning guest Mimi Morgan who has been on the the podcast before had a very very inspirational discussion with us last time. Mimi, thank you so much for coming back on. I appreciate it. Yeah, well thank you for having me. It's great to be here. Oh, you're very welcome. Um so the well our last episode was was very popular. A lot of people saw that but for for some of the people that haven't come across you, can you tell us a little bit about your story? Yeah, I'll be happy to I'll do the the 5-minute cliff note version of my of my story. Um So I I'll be 72 in September. So I've I've had a a long life. It's been interesting journey and you know, thankfully I grew up nose to tail very healthy eating. So I had some sort of foundation but like a lot of other women that came out with the low fat. I jumped on board and you know, I typically eat more fat in a day probably than I ate in a year. I mean, I'm not joking. The fat was absolutely eliminated from my diet. >> [snorts] >> And was healthy. I'm an athlete accomplished equestrian and but I was plant-based avoided beef avoided um any kind of um you know, any kind of meat or or anything of that sort had 6 years being vegan and you know, it catches up to you when you're in your 40s. Um yes. It really does and I see that across the board with a lot. So and I got busy with my kids went off to college got busy working stopped doing the weight training. I used to bike 125 miles a week. I stopped doing that. Now I'm in the grind and now I'm in my 50s um experiencing menopause which I had a rough time and it just hit me like I mean, I ran into a brick wall in no time. Had a couple breaks Dupuytren's followed during the recovery of the brakes. I had some surgery just from some simple falls and uh while I was being treated with an experimental radiation treatment for Dupuytren's and um interesting whenever I mention on a podcast I get flooded with messages. Here it's really kind of a rare illness disease typically hits men not women but I I hear so many more you it's so prevalent now compared to how it used to be but it's a contracture of the hand. You develop nodules. You lose the use of your hand. I was an artist. I'm right-handed. Hit me in the right hand within a month. I had all 28 nodules and the treatment is to wait until you can't use your hand and then they cut it out. It comes back again and that wasn't acceptable to me. So I did a lot of research found a German um doctor who had this radiation therapy and I had to go to another state but found somebody who would do it on my hand. My it's 13 years now and I have all the nodules disappeared. I have full use of my hand. Right. >> My thumb joint my thumb joint's out a little bit but it's pretty minor cuz that was where the worst contract the nodules in the contraction were. I mean, it happened like in record time. But while I was being treated for it I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. Hm. Which affected my neck for me my feet severely and my hands. Did the course of all the drugs including the injections and biologics. This is within a you know, less than a 1-year span. 2 years into the disease. I was diagnosed with Parkinson's. And that hit me pretty bad. I had balance issues mild tremor and I had bradykinesia cog no rigidity and I started have cognitive issues plus a number of other non-motor symptoms that don't usually hit this early on. And within a year and a half or so of Parkinson's I'm now on 1200 milligrams of carbidopa levodopa. I'm taking pills every 3 and a half hours starting at 5 in the morning and then at 9:30 at night. Sometimes I'd have to wake up in the I'd wake up in the middle of the night with severe dystonia and have to take My dystonia was off symptom related. So I'd have to take you know, a half a pill just to get me through the night. Also had um neurogenic bladder which was pretty unbearable. Had had Botox treatments for that. Um that's where you think you have to um relieve yourself when when you don't and it can happen as much as every 30 minutes. So I had a lot of non-motor irregular symptoms which then made me a multiple system atrophy suspect which is a Parkinson's plus looks not unsimilar to Parkinson's and then at 5 years it takes off and then you're you're gone in 3 years. So 2 years after Parkinson's um actually was probably one of the best days I'd had in 4 years. I had walked 4 miles. It was an accident but you know, it gave me a Oh, gave me a little sense maybe I could could do something cuz at this and I this point I'm walking with a cane. My mobility is bad. I had actually lost something at the 1-mile mark which then made 4-mile walk with a small item. So I couldn't find it by driving. I had to walk and it was a brand new gift. Um but that afternoon I just I sat on the bench enjoyed the fresh air. It was in actually February 7 7 years ago and I had a medium-size stroke. Hm. Was rushed to the hospital >> [clears throat] >> stroke unit received TPA. Was released in pretty good condition. So I came through the stroke pretty well. I was in there for about 3 days. Unfortunately either at the ambulance or when I was in the hospital. I was unbeknownst to me at the time of being released. I was infected with a deadly bacteria. Hm. Um which um originally thought was staff later because I did not respond to traditional treatment um was deemed MRSA but I had a couple emergency um visits to the hospital had a PICC line was in the hospital for good bit of time. Released but with the wrong antibiotics and it spread to my spine my soas muscle my spinal canal. So now I'm sepsis. I had emergency surgical debridement on my spine and I was in the hospital for over 2 months maybe 2 months and a week because I was one antibiotic fail after another ended up in rehab for a couple weeks. Was given less than a 50% chance of surviving. Typically when it seeds this bad and it took 6 months for the daptomycin to totally destroy the abscess in my spinal canal. Should it rupture it goes to your brain and and death's pretty rapid. Um but I was legally disabled unable to walk had a walker um eventually then a cane. I have new s curve from it pretty damaged soas muscle and the likelihood of it coming back is especially for somebody with as many comorbidities as I um I'm [clears throat] on 13 plus drugs and I I say plus because every time somebody mentions something I'm like, oh I forgot I was on that one too. So I mean, it really probably is 16 at this time. Um Parkinson's was 330 pills just for Parkinson's. Um a month which is an enormous amount but you know, I was um you know, I was headed for a home shortly because I could not do the the I had to sit to wash my hair. Um uh I couldn't stand move took me 5 or 10 minutes to roll over in bed. I just doing the day-to-day functions that we take for granted um were exhausting and pretty next to impossible. I had a team of 10 doctors and it seemed like I was always there and you know, always getting a new medication because when you get into that state and you're failing then more and more things fail on you. You know, every it just does. You're on a you're on a downward spiral and that and that's where I was headed. Yeah. Yeah. And then so so So what happened? How did you get out of it? Uh you know, it took a while. I I really tried hard. I had physical therapy for over a year. Um not much was happening. I still needed a cane movement. My pain level still five on a good day, seven most. And I don't do pain meds. So, you know, every day was excruciating. Um you know, I I had my mailbox moment, which you know, the more I think about it, it's just unbelievable. Um but I walked to the I passed walked to this mailbox every day. It was about two blocks from my house. Sometimes I'd get a little further past it. But it seemed to be like a point where I would stop often, kind of regroup to try to walk some more. Um and I'm at the mailbox, you know, one day about this time, um you know, five years ago. Um six years ago, you know, I've lost count, but uh you know, I'm a year and a half home from the hospital and I'm not getting better. I'm actually in some ways getting worse. My spirits are really crushed. And I stopped just like I can't go on any farther. And I I turned around in absolute defeat making a conscious decision to let this take me. And that's where I I heard, well, how many steps do you have? And why I listened or paid attention, I don't know. Um but I did and I stopped and I scanned my body. Um and my response was I have 10 more. And then I hear go go take them. So, I turned around and I took them. And I went home and I didn't think much about it, but I went back to that mailbox in 10 steps. And I took the took stopped and asked myself that same question. And I did that every day. About a few months into this, um at this point I've always been slender in my life and and pretty fit, but I've I'm on prednisone, I'm on gabapentin, I'm on this. Um and I'm not moving and um eating high carb diet, very little fat, very little protein cuz protein competes with Parkinson's medication. So, you're discouraged from protein. I maybe taking a little fistful. Um I've put on weight. And so, I go to see somebody to um I'm like, I've got to lose weight when this isn't helping my back any. And he proceeded to convince me to go on a 50 a diet 50% basically low carb, 25 protein, 25% carbs. I mean, 50% uh fat, 25% carbs, 25% protein. And I I really I thought it was mad and I told him so. And I said, my Parkinson's medicine isn't going to work. And he said, um you realize you're really sick and you're failing. He said, we have to get you well. Um Will you trust me? And you know, we I had spent about an hour and a half with him. And and at this point, I knew that if I'd gone back to the doctor saying I'm not getting better, this is happening, I get another medication. And and that would then further make me go downhill. And for I just trusted him. I mean, I I was out of options, really. So, I did. Um You know, people always want to know, okay, so how long did it take you to get better? And I am I you know, the first 30 days, I didn't notice anything. I kept with it. At six months, I wasn't feeling worse. And I held on to that. You know, when you're as sick as as I was, and I was really sick, um not feeling worse is something to be grateful for. And I'm so I'm grateful that I had the insight to hold on to that because so many people want to quit. Like if you don't get a quick turnaround, they want to give up. And for me, six months, I I wasn't worse and I held on to that. That was something that I that I hadn't had for years, not feeling worse. And I kept up with it. And about nine months, now I'm getting to 70-80% fat. That's when the lightbulb went off in my head. And that's where I noticed an improvement. And so now, rather than taking my pills every three and a half hours, I could wait four hours. Mhm. You know, and that I mean, that So, when you're taking pills every three and a half hours with Parkinson's, now you're starting to you know, around the clock, that many pills a day. You know, you're uh some people for earlier, but you're definitely So, now at this point, I'm experiencing dyskinesia. With which is horrible. So, that's a side effect from the medication. Um I had facial dyskinesia and and then respiratory dyskinesia, which is horrible. You you are getting oxygen, but you don't feel like you are. So, it's a terrifying experience because you're gasping for breath thinking you can't breathe. Um and so now, spacing out your medication, you start to have a little bit less symptoms. But I did have an improvement. So, it took me a while to get there. And you know, once I I got to that nine-month mark where I started, you know, the RA's improving cuz at this point now I've eliminated uh high oxalates, nightshades, um you know, um in order to get that fat, I am supplementing um MCT oil and coconut oil. But I'm eating beef every day and I'm eating the fat. Uh and you know, to be that high, I'm limiting um carbs. So, I maybe had, you know, five to seven foods that I allowed. Like I allowed avocado, mushrooms, asparagus, um uh Brussels sprouts, uh maybe once a week, um a piece of fresh fruit in season, maybe a little arugula. Uh I don't do dairy well and I didn't do eggs. Um and seafood. Um and I lamb doesn't work for me. So, basically I'm eating beef a couple times a day. I'm getting this improvement. And I just ran with it and I held on to it. I did not falter or cheat, you know, through Christmas, birthdays, one thing, because it was the first glimmer of hope that I had. Mhm. And I didn't want to go back to where I was. As a matter of fact, um and I slowed down a little bit now in that, you know, I just was grinding to get as far away from being sick as I could. Mhm. You know, so I was afraid to not stick with something that was making me better. And so, about well, I'm a little over two years now, um I heard about carnivore. At this point, I hadn't heard of that carnivore. I I wasn't really on social media. I was sort of disconnected. I'm not hearing about anything else. When I heard about carnivore, I thought, well, I mean, I'm really almost there. It was really easy transition for me. You know, I can live without the mushrooms and the broccoli and the few other thing or whatever it was. So, that's when I dove into carnivore. Um and also, my decision for that was is um I had a lot of um chronic um bronchitis. I got pneumonia. You know, my my um um my immune system was shot. They still have me three and a half years later on antibiotics for the spinal infection. As a matter of fact, I was told antibiotics for life. I'm on Bactrim DS twice a day, which is pretty heavy duty, after a PICC line for three months. And so, um um I had a couple occurrences with the MRSA returning. And I thought, I'm just going to stream You know, I knew diet at this point had a huge impact on my health. So, I thought, I'm going to just streamline it even more. Mhm. >> And that's when I [clears throat] went carnivore. Yeah, great. And then and then and then what happened after that? Did you get Did you get more improvements? And and where are you at today? Um you know, I did. Um and I still continue to improve. You know, I look back at pictures two or three years ago and it's like I'm getting [clears throat] better and better. Um I mean, I you you really do It's the human body is absolutely amazing. When you give it what it needs, um you know, and for me, I do a lot of fitness and weight training. I I'm a distance walker. Um I get plenty of sunshine and fresh air. I sleep. I I was unable to sleep with Parkinson's. Sometimes I'd go three days with no sleep. >> Ish. I I had I had restless leg, dystonia. I had Parkinson's night terrors. Not to mention the symptoms of Parkinson's. I I mean, I would you know, five hours a night of sleep was almost unheard of. I mean, that probably was the worst part of the disease that I had to deal with was the numerous sleep disorders. Uh and I had a lot of difficult things, but you can't heal when you're not sleeping. Um so, yeah, about from three years now free of all medication. So, I was a couple years in the journey. Um obviously, the heartburn's gone. Um I mean, who wouldn't have heartburn with what I was eating and the amount of medication I was on. So, that was the first drug to go. Um Um and you know, I'm not sure what I you know, the RA was the first to sort of improve because I'm a movie I'm removing the offenders. You know, there's no sugar. I don't drink anyway, but that was that wasn't part. Um No nightshades, no oxalates, no glutens. No this, no that. Um And you can't help but getting uh better. And so, it took me a while though. I was down to two medications, my Parkinson's and my antibiotics. Um I was slowly um reduce the Parkinson's medication. And at this point when I did it, I was feeling pretty confident that I could. So, I'm feeling pretty well. I'm moving without aid for the most part. Um And you know, I you know, 25 mg on a from a dose when I was not having off symptoms. And I suffered from off symptoms. I did it very slowly. Um much success. Um I can't tell you how good it was. And I would cut my pills like down to four. So, they're 100 mg. I cut them down to four. You know, when I when I was down to the very last doses of that. And then uh the last one, so I'm 3 years in now. Uh be this June was when um I gave up um the antibiotics. I I knew that that was going to come back and and haunt me. Being on uh because I'm a um I'm a antibiotic fail for so there's so many classes of antibiotics that I can't can't take. I'm allergic to vancomycin. Yeah, at one point in the hospital I had zero white blood cells. I was on Yeah. Um what is it? Cefazolin or whatever that's called. Um gentamicin, vancomycin, and I had zero white blood cells. Jeez. And um so, now I'm in lockdown in the hospital. Um and the original one I can't take was was just nafcillin. Um So, there's just so many classes that are not an option for me. Uh daptomycin was the one that that finally worked um for um for this the the MRSA infection. But the fact that it still come back um you know, it's never a good sign. It it um it encapsulates and hides and waits for an opportunity uh to come. But I I knew that if I stayed on the Bactrim DS, um that just was not going to be good for me to be on that for long term. And I'm I'm glad I did it. I went against doctor's orders um knowing so. Um but I'm glad I did it and um you know, my health's good. I live a full vibrant life. Um you know, as good if not better than in my 40s. And you know what? I was legally disabled. Mhm. And you have to be pretty severe in order to be in the United States to be legally disabled. Yeah. You just don't get that easy. I mean, you really have to be almost at death's door and unable to do anything. Uh my cognitive issues reversed. Yeah, great. Um Um you know, everything. I'm just not um I don't know if you saw on my I found a picture a year ago. So, it's on my pin post on on my um on my Twitter account of me when I was 61 being checked into the Movement Disorder Center. Um I don't know if you've seen it, but I don't think so. Oh, you you won't believe it. Yeah. Because it um I I that woman at 61 looks like my mother. Mhm. Yeah. And even my family now notices that um So, like every time we see you seem to be getting better and stronger and healthier. And they're just they just scratch their head and look at me, you know. Um Cuz like I was so I wouldn't be alive today. Mhm. I mean, I was really going that fast. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, I mean, I I've I've you know, seen that in in a lot of people in my own family. You know, my dad's Parkinson's reversed very quickly. And I had never Oh, he Okay. That's right. quite a lot of issues and and it was very difficult for him. And then I mean, within a month he was so much better. And then 2 months even better than that because he was still eating pretty lean meat. And then we sort of realized that he started eating more fat. And that just massively and boosted him up from there. And then and then he just got better and better after that. And he sort of you know, reversed the clock 10 years. And I was doing really well. So, yeah, it's um and uh and certainly with autoimmune issues. I mean, we see that all the time that you have massive massive improvement. And which it shouldn't really be a surprise. I mean, that was that was the treatment for autoimmune issues in you know, in the late 1800s, early 1900s. That that's what worked. And people did that. I mean, we we would look at the medical textbooks from Sir William Osler who was the um first professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins. He was knighted for his his work in medical education. And and and um and writing these textbooks and things like that. I have my great grandfather's uh book of Osler's. Um my my great grandfather was a was a surgeon in America. And um I have his book from 1910. So, it wasn't his college textbook. My he graduated medical school in the early 1990s from uh Columbia. And um and so, this is after that. So, this would have been his his text that he had as a as a professional. And I remember looking at the the chapter for diabetes just randomly. And so, this is Osler's. This is the gold standard best practice in the world at the time at Johns Hopkins and elsewhere. And said, "Okay, well, how do you how do you treat diabetes type 1 and type 2?" They didn't differentiate back then. And so, you know, we we go by the work we we still follow um the advice of Sydenham who was a doctor I believe in the 1600s or or or 1700s. But I believe it was 1600s. Hundreds of years earlier anyway. And it and it quoted from Sydenham uh essentially just eat um easy to digest food such as veal and eat no fruits or vegetables. Keep carbs to zero. That was the treatment. And it and it kept type 1 diabetics alive for >> [clears throat] >> 9 months to a year after diagnosis. This is this is 11 years before insulin was discovered. So, they had no insulin. You know, if you get diagnosed with type 1 diabetes today without insulin, you you'll be dead within 2 weeks most likely. Unless you do this and follow William Sir Osler's advice. And so, this is advice that went back to the 1600s, you know, and and that was that was what people were treated with. So, this was not far-fetched. I mean, you know, what you just eat meat, no fruits or vegetables, no carbs. That's a carnivore diet. And it's not called by that name, but that's what that is. And so, that was that was what worked. And that was what worked for hundreds of years. And it put these diseases in remission. It did put um diabetes could put diabetes in remission. I mean, they there was even they you know, they said that even after 9 months to a year, uh there's still a high mortality rate in the in the younger patients, the juvenile diabetics or type 1 as we call it today. But it said high mortality rate. It didn't say this is a death sentence, an absolute mortality rate, a terminal disease. High mortality rate. So, that that suggests that people survived. And they lived long term without insulin uh just by following following that dietary advice. So, you know, that that's that's what worked. And I I So, we shouldn't be surprised. We just need to to read history. And read medical history and understand that this is we're rediscovering something that people knew for hundreds of years that worked. And now we've just we've just had it flushed out of our brains due to, you know, various multi-billion, multi-trillion dollar industries that profit from us not understanding and knowing about it. Hey guys, just want to take a second to thank our sponsor Carnivore Bar. I don't promote many products because honestly, all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat. But for those times that you're out hiking, road tripping, or stuck at work and you want a nutritious snack that is just meat, fat, and salt if you want it, the Carnivore Bar is a great option. So, I like this product not because it's just pure meat, but also because I want the carnivore market to thrive as well. And the more we support meat only products, the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream. So, if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind, check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off, which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total. All right, thanks guys. Yeah. Uh it's sad. I work with a lot of people with Parkinson's. So, I since um got my metabolic health certificate, I'm a personal trainer, I'm a PWR Moves Parkinson's trainer. And so, um I work with well people, but I specialize in working with people with Parkinson's. Um and we know 100% that exercise is going to help with the disease. And there is so much to suggest that a ketogenic state and I'm going to tell you with the people that I work what with and I work with a lot now that those that um are the closest to carnivore do the best and see improvement in 30 days. See a reduction in symptoms. Um uh I mean you can just see the um the facial masking leaving their face. You can see the clarity in their eyes and and their reaction time to speaking cuz Parkinson's slows every every aspect of your life is slow. And what slow is is typically what uh everybody takes for granted and doesn't think about. That's why people with Parkinson's have trouble walking but they can dance cuz they're using the other side of the brain. But just So the first thing I do is is work with them on the nutrition. It's not always an easy journey to give up carbs but I take it slow and once I can get them to that place, I've yet to work with somebody that hasn't noticed an improvement where their family members haven't noticed an improvement and you can just see it's like their eyes light up, their expression changes, their energy level. It's the first thing that happens and then the reduction in symptoms uh appears. And then that combined with um a high intensity exercise program and then that feeds on to improving their sleep and then their mental outlook. Um you know, they start to get um um cuz when you're sick, you can get you get beaten down. You're sort of like attacked on a lot of levels and it's you can lose hope. And when your energy is up, you start to feel a little better then that that hope um um you know, becomes fueled and then grows and it's amazing seeing um the improvement in people. I mean it really is and I've yet to see somebody not respond Yeah. to this. I just I just have it and including the cognitive improvement. Mhm. Well, I mean there are ran- randomized control trials showing that ketogenic diets improve Parkinson's outcomes for motor and non-motor uh Yeah. Yeah, there are. They're they're not I mean you can actually find them on the Parkinson's site. They're not um Yeah, I've seen one one of them where they do Yeah, I think it's the Parkinson's Foundation. There's a couple. Okay. Um I don't think it's the Michael J. Fox's but the Parkinson's Foundation does discuss it. Okay. Uh it it's brief. Um and they'll you know, the problem is for them uh so one of the one of the things that I ex- which is really interesting I experienced. So um first thing if I if I were to um if uh I wouldn't see a neurologist for this. I go to a movement disorder center. Uh they have a couple more years training and they really are the best and they offer speech um and they're going to hound you. You know, I I will say when I was given my prescription for carbidopa levodopa and I was diagnosed by three of the top centers. At the time there were only 11 in the US, now there's 50. But the three top centers uh and I moved because um I didn't have anything local. So you know, I've got a five five-hour from each way to get to. Um So I eventually there was one here but every single one of them every single one when they give you your prescription tell you um the best medicine you can take. Unfortunately, it wasn't food. The best medicine you can take is physical exercise. So that's at least somewhat better than what you'll get from a neurologist. Yeah. But the Yeah, I mean uh a neurologist um I've um from a lot of clients that I work with um some of the protocols and the things they've done um are the most barbaric that I've ever experienced what they do. I mean just horrendous. I mean we're just it it's just awful. And the medicine the the um prescription medicine protocols are just absolutely horrendous. Um so I would not go to a neurologist. You may go get uh initial diagnosis but go see a movement disorder. Um but the problem is and and is this you're discouraged from protein. So fat doesn't have as big of effect on the absorption of the medication but protein does. So and none of them, not one of the people that I work with and I um most of my programs are any they are minimum three months, some of them go to a year because it takes a long time. Not one and I've worked with over a dozen and I just started um in um in January actually. Um a little bit soon sooner I took on Parkinson's. Not one of them has where the doctors explained the medication with them. Mhm. So and you have to uh so there's a work around. Um and the work around the work around I use. So you can you can have plenty of rather than avoiding protein. So I would just have a little protein at night. You can take it with your medication. You just have to time it when you take your medication. And and nobody's explained that and they but they are they are told protein affects your medication which it does so they avoid it. And so that you know, then then a number of other things um you know, B12 deficiencies, methyl you know, folate and you know, deficiencies. Um I mean I lived on graham crackers and bananas literally Jeez. until night time because I'm working and I don't want people to see see my symptoms. You know, we're faced with um maybe doing some things that are better for us but if we do, people notice our symptoms. And what symptoms they're going to see um at any given moment during any given day um are pretty hard to predict. And so I'm taking my medication trying to work and I'm avoiding protein so I was limited to a little bit of protein at night and I literally lived off of graham crackers and bananas which of course then just made me sicker. Um So they don't um uh >> [sighs] >> from my experience and from what I see, unfortunately they haven't gotten on a ketogenic diet is worth taking. Yeah. And and it is and again my experience is those that those that are the most compliant and are willing to go more carnivore and you know, pretty much there like 95 to 100 carnivore um are the ones that have the best results and the best recovery. Yeah. It just is. I I and I think in part um because when you allow a lot of other things then that's a door opening to going back to eating well, okay. So I did fine, you know, I had a salad for lunch and dressing and I did fine and then you think you can have this and then you go back to the the other direction. So it just it just makes it simpler um and I think you just eliminate a lot of variables. Um and then you're you know, cutting you know, for most people with um I have except for one woman I have um everybody else uh I've got to get to 70 closer to 80% before they see the big benefits. And that was my experience, too. Yeah. Uh of that that of fat. Yeah. So that's pretty much knocking out carbs. Mhm. Yeah. And um yeah, that makes sense. You know, when you're getting into ketosis and being able to to to affect the nervous system a lot better there. Um So okay. So you know, si- since you had your recovery, now you're working with with other people it sounds like as well. So what do you what do you been up to since the last time we we saw you? Uh so I've been studying hard which um you know, which is really exciting. I've been studying hard. Uh I I I have quite a few certifications. Um Good. I I ace all the um all the Parkinson's and the neurological ones cuz I know it backwards and forwards cuz I lived it. You know, at one point in my journey and I was a a math minor, I should have been a math major. Uh algebra and calculus were my things. Uh absolutely love it. Uh and I was ace you know, A A+ student. Um um and so also A+ chemistry student, too. So you know, I had to have a couple smarts to to to to do that well. Um and I went to a good university here on this in the states. Um and at one point in my journey, I mean I couldn't do two and three digit subtraction and division. No. In my head. Yeah. That's how far That's how far I was slipping. Yeah. Um so that I mean that that was pretty terrifying. And it's pretty terrifying watching it and being aware. Mhm. >> I That's where I was. So the fact that I can even study and take these courses and do well just tells you how I turned around. Mhm. I mean 5 years ago I couldn't do that kind of math and and here. I mean that's That's powerful in itself. Um besides everything else. Um So let's see. So I'm doing that. Uh I'm training to walk 500 mi across Spain. Nice. And some distance walking. I'm weight training. I do a lot of I do group and private coaching and I love it. Uh I'm I'm a absolute big believer in strength training. Um and lifting weights. I plan to do it till the last day I'm on Earth. Uh I you know I At one point I you know couldn't lift a 10-lb grocery bag. Now I can deadlift 135. I leg press 270. Nice. And you know, I'm 125 lb and I'm 5'3". So that's a pretty And I'm old. [clears throat] Mhm. You know, uh so I'm pretty proud of that. Um I have enormous physical strength. Uh enormous resolve. Uh I'm writing a book. I'm enjoying life. I'm waking up grateful every day. Mhm. Um I'm I'm honestly and truly uh I've converted to Catholicism. So I'm coming [clears throat] up on a year. Uh that's an important part of my journey. Um and [clears throat] um enjoying my family. Uh Um my grandkids are big hockey players in Alaska and that's a whole different lifestyle. So they have weight training in school and and one just left from the juniors. And when I see them um uh when I see them in the summer, they're um 17 and 20. Um uh They're so proud of me and my muscles. We compare muscles. I I have daughters in their 40s who are now eating tons of beef, weight training, and sending me their pictures cuz they don't like their their mother outdoing them. Uh so my my family's mindful of um You know, at one point they were like, "Okay, so you got well. Can you just stop with the crazy?" Just you know, buy me 10 lb of beef when I visit. And now they're sending me pictures of their steak that they're having with breakfast with eggs. And And I have you know, my oldest daughter has severe psoriasis, was on biologics. You know, you can't tell your kids any anything really. Um but she is off of it. Um she's not carnivore, but she is in a real streamline ketogenic diet, weight training, and she's been off of her medication for 9 months. Nice. And and biologics are dangerous drugs, let me tell you. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And that's Dangerous. Dangerous. Um I have no doubt that they um they can eliminate a disease and then also um um contribute to your downfall. Yeah. Uh which they I know that they did for me. I'm severely allergic to Humira. Um Mhm. Uh So yeah, so life is good and I'm really grateful and um you know, never in a million years would I have guessed or even imagined that I could have gotten to this point. Um Mhm. And you know, I do have um you know, I have a world gifted with thing with things and I had plenty of struggles in my life and I've lived long enough that um when I uh perseverance is a gift that I have. Um and I've needed I I've learned more perseverance in in this last 10 years. Um cuz I was sick for pretty close to 10 year of my life. I feel like you know, I lost. Um So it's been uh it's been good, but the uh the fact that my body you know, I'm just every day I'm flabbergasted really that somebody at my age can turn around and heal is really a testament to how incredible the human body is. And so many you know, I was told even in my early 60s to just accept my fate that this was I just I I just got hit a little harder than everybody else that getting older is downhill and and you know, medications are normal and not having muscle is normal and not being able to do this is normal. And they're all lies. Every single one of them is a lie. Yeah. You know, it just is. We uh being well and healthy and fit. And that doesn't mean I haven't aged. I have, but being um healthy and well and fit and strong is our natural state. And that's in 70s and I'm going to say it's in our 80s and in our 90s. Well, you know, if you go back to Dr. J. Salisbury in the 1800s, he was a Civil War era doctor um out of New York and he did you know, did a 30-year research project into the optimal nutrition for human beings. He lived with the Native Americans at the time when you know, sort of before they were put on reservations and and taken away from and before we wiped out all the the bison in America and things like that. So to cut off their food supply so that they couldn't um you know, fight back as well. That sounds familiar now. You cut off the meat supply so people can't put up a fight. So It sure does. >> they um yeah. And so they um They I mean cuz that was the thing, you know, they they they cut off the the meat supply. They cut out and killed all the bison. And then what did they do? They didn't like kill everybody. What they they put them on reservations and they gave them you know, wheat, corn, and things like that. And um so it's the same people. Now you So you're [clears throat] feeding them. You just took away that food supply that was healthier and kept kept them better. Yeah. And then you put them on this stuff that kept them sort of weak, sick, and docile. >> [sighs] >> I don't I don't think that was that was by mistake, you know. I mean they they didn't just like let them die and starve to death. They gave them food. It's just different food. And uh and they couldn't you know, put up a fight after that or didn't. And so Salisbury was with them when they were you know, living as normal and eating predominantly bison or wild game for the entire year and then high fat. You know, all the people that say, "No, no, no, our ancestors would have eaten lean meat." Cuz wild animals are lean. Like they they've never actually gone hunting and seen how much fat is actually on an animal. It's like lean muscle bodies because they're not sick and and diabetic and have fat in the muscles. It's called myosteatosis, which is pathological. Um but they have just as much or more fat in the subcutaneous uh tissue. They just cut it all off and throw it away because fat Oh, fat's bad. So we should throw this all away. Um but the Native Americans did not throw it away. They kept it all and they made pemmican, which is 2 g of fat to 1 g of protein. So very high fat ketogenic carnivore diet. And they they found or he found that these people were individuals were living to be 110, 115 years old or older as fit, healthy, active adults. And that. Running around, being physical, being ripped. I mean, you know, I've seen pictures from the the 1800s, early 1900s with the Australian Aboriginals where they have um four generations of men. And uh you have young man looks like he's probably in his you know, early 20s or something like that. Just shredded, ripped, muscular, just washboard abs. And there's his dad next to him. Looks even more muscular and shredded and ripped, washboard abs. Then there's his father who looks even better. He's just his face is a little older. And then there's the the great-grandfather who's just as jacked and shredded as all the rest of them. But you know, he's got gray hair and and his face is a bit more weathered. And and so you know, these people were living to great ages in very fit and healthy fashion. And the reason that we are dying long before our genetic genetic potential, which I learned in genetics 25 years ago was 120. That basically according to our our telomeres, we should live around 120 years. That's that's the genetic estimate. And these people were doing that, but they were living as as healthy, active adults. And the reason we're not living to be 110, 120, 130 years old is because we're getting sick. As we're getting sick in our 40s and that's slowly decaying our bodies. That's why we're dying in our 70s and 80s. And and we're not we're not getting we and we You know, when I tell people like, "Hey, well, we can actually live a lot longer than that." Oh, I wouldn't want to live longer than that. Because they think that the body's just decaying after after after 30, you know. And that it's just like they couldn't imagine just how frail and miserable your life would be. You'd just be this slug in a bed with you know, no no um quality of life. You wouldn't recognize your family. They're like, "No, thank you." But that's the problem. Those are the people that die young. Those are the people that die 40 years early, 50 years early. And without realizing it because they've been so sick and their bodies are just breaking down. And they just finally give up. You know, we're supposed to be like every other animal on Earth where they are just fit, healthy, hunting uh or running away from hunters until one day they just that's it and they just go to sleep and they don't wake up. And we see this in zoos. They're just healthy active, you know, adult animals and then they're just a little more lethargic and a little more sleepy and they just don't wake up one day. You know, their body's just like that's it. So, they're they're healthy up until the point that they drop dead. And they're not dropping dead of heart attacks. Their their body's just like that's all that's all they have. And then it's time for them to move on. And um you know, works. And so, we accept this degenerative process going on for half our lives. And we say, "Oh, well, that's just normal." That's not normal in any other form of life on Earth. Plant, animal, insect, or or microbe. It's just that's not it. And um And so, but we accept that as normal. We accept as normal that our brains are supposed to shrink as we age. And we say, "Well, that's normal age-related atrophy." But at the same time, we know that if you have certain nutrient deficiencies, like B12 in the normal ranges, you can still get brain atrophy. Your brain is shrinking by half a percent or percent per year. Oxford showed that in 2008 in a published study they did. So, and that's in the normal ranges of B12. You say, "Well, my doctor says my B12's fine." Well, I can tell you it's probably not. And um if your if your doctor didn't say it was too high, then it's it's not fine. And um >> I I I hear you. I I I I keep I keep track of that one. A lot of people are walking around don't have a clue Yeah. that their that their B12 is low. Yeah. Well, and and that's the thing. So, we know that that called Well, because we you know, we we're just going by reference ranges and doctors just go by reference ranges. Well, those are the reference ranges that we use. Okay, but did you look them up and see if they're actually useful? Because the next lab down the road, they have completely different reference ranges. So, who's right? And you have a patient that goes to one lab or the other lab and and you get one says fine, one says too high. Well, what is it? You know, is it too high or is it You're making objective decisions based on arbitrary figures. If you were an architect or or an you know, an engineer that did that and used arbitrary measures, you know, bridges and buildings are falling down. People are dying. If you had accountant that used artificial figures, they'd be in prison. You know, when when you use >> They would. When you use you know, imaginary arbitrary figures and measures for humans, you know, health collapses. It's instead of buildings, it's it's your health indirectly. And you know, and that's the thing, too. You know, other other animals don't have their brain decay and shrink for over the course of their life. No no no other animal in the wild eating their natural diet has normal age-related atrophy. There's actually a study where they looked at 99 chimpanzees and did MRIs looking at them comparing them to people aging over time and they had no degeneration in their brain. Their brain didn't shrink at all. They had no atrophy as they aged at any point. And they even concluded that this is a this is an abnormality in humans that that our brain shrink over time. And so, obviously that can't And they said this is evolutionary anomaly. But it's not It can't be evolutionary. It can't be a biological There there's no selective force that would you know, that would benefit us by having our brains shrink and rot out of our heads. There's no benefit to that. You know, being being a burden on society and ourselves, not being able to hunt and kill and and protect our families. That's not That's not a survival survival advantage. That's a big disadvantage having to take care of people that that are are now enfeebled. So, it doesn't make any damn sense. And so, I I think that's that's malnutrition over time. And we're we're just we're just assuming, "Well, that's normal for us to decay over the years and just die at 70. Oh, it's normal for our brains to shrink and atrophy and get dementia." Just because we see it a lot doesn't mean it's normal. It is the norm, but that doesn't mean it's supposed to happen. It doesn't mean it has to happen. And you know, as you're living proof of. Yeah. Uh um I mean, absolutely. Um And um you know, sadly I still see more of the other and I still see you know, people who you know, think I'm a one-off and and think they're okay you know, they're okay. Um Um think they don't need to lift weights. Um And you know, I I personally think I mean, people are definitely waking up and becoming more aware. Mhm. Um I do think you're not um going to get um we're not going to get a lot of change um until doctors start stepping up and being honest. Um because we you know, we we people are brainwashed. I can't tell you how many times I hear when they ask what I eat and I tell them they say, "Oh, my doctor won't let me have a a steak but once a month." You know, and now it's kind of the point where I say, "Well, you do realize you are your own person and you get to make your own decisions and maybe your doctor's wrong." Um or I have to cut the fat off my beef. Um Uh where you know, till people either question or you know, doctors stop with the ins It's really you know, some of it's insanity, some of it's criminal, you know, some of them know darn right well and some of them um are still you know, oblivious and and some are still not curious enough to um you know, to question. Um you know, I I I almost died. Well, I almost died a couple times. But the first time was is because the standard of care said this was the antibiotic I needed to be on. Yeah. And when I was a fail with that antibiotic and still showing positive, still not getting better, they put me on another one, but then when they sent me home unbeknownst to me, they took me off the one that was making me feel better um and improving and making my blood cultures negative and sent me home on the one that was a fail, which allowed the drug to seed. Um and that had I had a couple instances of that. Um And people have to realize that you know, they're they're protecting themselves by following these standards of care that are created by these organizations that um are aligned with pharmaceuticals and have their own best interests. And nobody's making money off of The only one making money off of us eating beef are the farmers. Um you know, they're not I mean, cuz there's no I'm not on any prescriptions now. My My I was on 65,000 and over dollars a year for my medication. My biologics alone was $4,500 a month for four injections. Those are so expensive. >> of Yeah. 65,000 a year. Mhm. You know, you get a bunch of us, that's a lot of money people are making. Um and I'm on nothing right now. So, no nobody's making any money from me. You know, plus um plus I'm well. Plus I have clarity of mind and when you have clarity of mind and the light bulb goes off, you're like, "I'm not buying into this anymore." Mhm. So, I'm not buying into everything else that I was doing before. Um and um you know, it's definitely um um there it's definitely benefits a whole lot of people and and not really the ones that it needs to. So, it really does take and and and back when I was doing it, you know, I I had a I had a I bucked the system without a lot of knowledge and you know, just And truthfully, I I ended up I just ignored advice and started to do the opposite. You know, um and it's what got me better. And I really I'm I was pretty healthy and fit in my early 40s. Did a lot of strength training, was riding 5 days a week. You know, biking 125 miles. Um I have better muscles than I did and it's not easy. So, you know, if you can start early, start early. It's not easy at my age building muscle. But you can do it and I better muscles and you know, I'm going to argue in a lot of ways that I'm healthier than I was back then. Because I think I was already on the road to It didn't take much longer for um me to take a nose dive and now should anything come my way, I think I have a really good fighting chance cuz I'm really healthy and strong. Yeah. That's really good. And and and um And again, it it's our normal state. And anybody who tells you differently, you need to run away from. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I agree. I mean, I I I've said that before that that you know, the natural state of humanity is is is to be healthy. And natural state of all life on Earth is to be healthy. You you can't You know, life comes from this the the survivors, the winners. And so, you will never have a species of animal that was designed flawed, that was designed to be sick, that was that that came from you know, the sick made more sick and sick and sick and sick. And then you get this sick species and population, that can't happen. They would have died out. They would have been outcompeted. They would have just been gone. You know, there's there's there's so many so many uh forms of life that have gone extinct. And that were not sick inherently, that were very successful, that were very dominant [clears throat] in their time. And then and then they weren't. So, you know, if you if you have somebody that's just is just sick and crippled and miserable the whole time and decrepit as a species, that's not going to be a successful species. They're never going to survive. And you know, people make a lot of excuses. Well, all you have to do is get to reproductive age. We're not lizards. You don't have to have like a clutch of eggs and then go away and they just raise themselves. You know, we're multi-generational um family sort of oriented species where like, you know, we would have we would have, you know, grandparents, great-grandparents um living in the same community in the same house is quite often. Yeah. And then you'd have uh them hunting and fishing together throughout their whole life. And then you have the the you know, the very elders, they might sit back and do a bit less and and just but they would understand this is this is when the herds are coming in. These are the things you can eat. These are the things that you can't eat. These are the things that these are the plants that work medicinally. These are all these other sorts of things. So, you have you have you have living knowledge and experience. Um those were your libraries. Those were your universities. They had this you know, 100 years of lived experience that you could then pass on to other people. And um so, that was very important. So, you you didn't just make it to 14, have a couple kids, and then die, and then these like two-year-olds would just raise themselves. It's asinine. It's asinine to think that that was the case. So, yeah, we we are supposed to be healthy. And the idea that we were just you know, just we're supposed to die young, we're supposed to get sick is is insane if you think about it for even a second. And and the people that propagate that I I don't I don't understand their motivation. I mean, some people are you know, there's a profit incentive to push that nonsense and get people to believe it. So, they're paying people to do that, I'm sure. But there's other people on the internet that just I think they just want to sound knowledgeable. And they want to sound like, "Oh, well, actually." And then they and then they tell everybody what we've all heard for the last 50 years as if it were something novel. And um and uh they well, you know, "Well, actually, you know, weight loss comes from a caloric deficit." And this is this is Yeah, buddy, we've we've heard it all. We're saying that that's not correct. Here's this different model and this makes more sense and here's the evidence for that. You know, but then they but people want to they want to be correct. They want to correct others. It makes them feel good for some reason. And um and I think that's I think that's what's going on. People are just they're just assuming the the lie and they're just willing to accept it so they can feel correct and that they can feel that they know something that other people don't. They go, "Oh, well, actually, I disagree." And that for some reason satisfies something in their life. I can't really understand what else is going on. Um I'm you know, for the normal people that aren't being paid to shovel this nonsense down our throat. >> Yeah. Well, yeah, and and you know, I I hear often uh I just did a post a little while ago. Oh, I know, Dr. I had a taped something with Dr. Baker and he had said, you know, we just had this interview. And you know, so the responses were, "Well, great. N equals one. Let's do some research." And I'm like, "Buddy, I'd be dead if I waited for uh research to see if this would work. I'd be long gone. And no, we don't need to. Just look at how Just look at the ill I mean, I I was at some function and um and I looked at oh, and I looked around and I thought there are five people It was maybe 400 people. There are five that I'm going to say that live a healthy life. The rest of them don't look healthy. There's no glow. There's no spark. There's no They don't move with purpose. And I'm talking people that are younger than me, you know, and um it Just look at what's out there. You know, it's obviously what they've been promoting is not is not benefiting society. Yeah. You know, at all. And the ones that are willing to say "Okay, I don't I see I see that it isn't benefiting society. I see people aren't getting It's not like, you know, people are getting healthier. And you know, people like me and you are um coming off in some tangent. It's like the rest of the world is getting worse. And here are the people that are getting healthier. Um so, maybe what we're doing we're on to something here. And people are are opening up and questioning. You know, I I think um um and I don't say too much about um COVID and all what happened with the vaccines. Um unfortunately, my dad was one Mhm. who was on no medication, 96. I've never seen a mind as sharp as his. I mean, he could remember my friends' last names that I couldn't remember. Unfortunately, the vaccine killed him. Um but I do think the one if there's any saving grace from that is is it opened people's eyes up to maybe what's going on and questioning things. And um and people can need to keep questioning no matter whatever they're dealt with. Um uh and also too, you know, myself included, I was so willing to um every time I got a diagnosis, um I was willing just to accept it at face value. And then also accept what their course of treatment was. And you know, should anything happen, um before I uh and I like to think how I'm living is doing the best I can to prevent anything. But I'm going to look at every every aspect um that I could to heal my body not using what the medical community says is conventional treatment. Before I even consider consider taking anything or doing anything else. Because we are given bodies that can can heal naturally. Yeah. Well, you know, and then my response to those people is say, "Oh, great. N equals one. Let's let's get some research." So, we do things. One, we already have research. We have randomized controlled trials showing that ketogenic diets improve uh motor and non-motor outcomes in Parkinson's Yeah. better than well-designed um uh omnivorous sort of uh diet sort of based on like a Mediterranean sort of sort of approach. That was by um Dr. Matthew Phillips in New Zealand. Yeah. Um and and you know, the Mediterranean diet improved from where they were, the ketogenic diet improved more. Right? >> And I think in 12 weeks, if I remember, most people in the 12. So, not It wasn't 8 to 12 weeks and and so, it wasn't a real long time. >> No. And and and significant improvements during that time. Significant improvements. And um and number two, even if you don't have that, if you were if you were doing you know, the conventional wisdom and and you were getting worse, and you want to try something different, it's not going to hurt you. You know, first, do no harm. But you know, we know that ketogenic diets are safe long-term. We have plenty of studies showing that. We the the the diet that we've been on since humans have been humans. And so, you know, that shouldn't cause any harm. And so, might as well try it. You're seeing randomized controlled trials. You're seeing studies. You're seeing individuals such as yourself have massive improvements. You're seeing doctors like myself and many others saying, "Hey, I've applied this to my patients and I've seen massive improvements for your condition. Why don't you give this a try? There are numbers of randomized controlled trials in humans showing that that certain dietary interventions such as removing carbohydrates and fiber directly improves massively improves autoimmune conditions. It can put um Crohn's disease in in remission for up to 51 months without medication in one study. In the contrast group, um the control group that did not remove carbohydrates and fiber, they couldn't even stay in remission even 1 month without without medication. So, massive disparity. And so, we do have studies. We have a lot of studies. We have hundreds of years of of medical application. In fact, and we have 100 years of of uh using ketogenic diets for epilepsy and migraines and other sorts of conditions, diabetes going back hundreds of years. And um and this is all in the medical literature. But either way, it's not going to hurt you. It's it's at least just going to provide nutrients that your body needs and eliminate out things that could cause harm. And so, who does it hurt? I mean, why are people fighting against this? It's just like, "Okay, people should just be interested in that." It's like, "All right, well, you know, I I don't know one way or the other, but you know, do it if you want. If it tries, great. And just be happy for people." You know, and instead of trying to attack people that have had amazing experiences and trying to share that with other people. It it doesn't make sense to me. I don't I don't understand like what how this people feel like personally attacked Yeah, I don't you and others have have gotten better. It doesn't make sense to me. Cuz it it isn't hurtful. I mean, [clears throat] it isn't. And um you know, and if it shouldn't if it doesn't work for you, then stop it. Yeah, exactly. And I don't understand why I think um because they don't have that response. You know, I can't tell you how many times I heard from from my physicians, you know, plant-based. Mhm. Plant-based. So, why is that What evidence is there about that? Yeah. Yeah, well, none. And I'm just getting worse the more plant-based I'm going. I mean, literally, I'm just failing. Um so, I don't know I don't know what it is and I I don't you know, I think it's going to take a couple It's going to take a long time to turn around. I think probably my age group is probably pretty gone. Mhm. I mean, I think it's pretty it's pretty late to turn them around because they're they're convinced and they're the they're the age group that's the most afraid to say to their doctor, "No." Mhm. You know, um it probably takes some younger generations, but you know, I I don't I'm not quite sure what it's going to take for um for some of these organizations, some of these doctors to say to be open to trying this. You know, what what you're doing is not clearly not working. You're you're back here and you have more symptoms. You know, why don't you give this a try? Yeah. You know, try try this diet. Um um and and see how you respond. Yeah. Well, you know, I I I think that that a lot of people are pretty fed up with how how things are are going or or not going all that well and they're getting more and more sick and we as doctors think, "Well, here's a problem, here's a pill. Pill for every ill." And we don't realize that we're not getting people better. We think, "Oh, I'm going to cure people. I'm going to cure disease. I'm going to help people fight their illness." But it doesn't it's not curing them. It's not helping them in in that sense of of addressing the underlying root cause because it's not addressing the underlying root cause. You have to put them on medication. And you know, rheumatoid arthritis is not a Humira is not a Humira deficiency. Right? I mean, this is not a Humira. Then you have to just replace that and then everything works together. Um it's you know, so when you put people on more medication, definitionally, they are getting worse. They are getting less healthy. And so, then you put them on a medication and then they're they they get even worse and you have to up the medication. You have to put them on different medication. You're more medication. There's side effects to that medication. You have to put them on more medication. These sorts of things. So, the more medications you go on, by definition, the less healthy you are. Because if you were healthy, you wouldn't need those medications. And getting healthier is what you did. And you actually came off your medications. And so, that's the definition of getting healthier is is not needing medications and coming off medications. And that's the the mark of improvement. And that is what we as doctors are supposed to be doing. We're supposed to be healing our patients. Not just covering up an axe wound with a band-aid. Right? And so you know, that's that I think a lot of people are coming to this. My whole practice is based around that. I don't I don't I see people that are basically fed up with how things are going and they're saying, "Hey, look, I've I've tried everything and all of all I've gotten for it is just more and more medications and you know, my doctor's trying to tell me put it on this and go on this and go on that." And they're just like, "I'm obviously not getting better. I'm getting worse." You know, I I I need something that gets me better. I don't They're highly motivated. They don't they don't want to be sick. They don't want to be on medications. They don't want to have surgery. They want they just want to be well. And so, they come to me and we we address diet and lifestyle first and foremost. Use medications to fill in the gaps. But I I deep prescribe more than I prescribe. You know, I help people get off medications more than I I put them on medications. And the medications I put them on are short-term while we're healing the underlying condition. And then we get them off. That's the way it's supposed to be. And and we lost we lost our Yeah, we lost our way. And that's why I say, you know, I wasn't worse for 6 months I wasn't worse. And and I had the insight to know that's an improvement cuz I was getting worse. Mhm. I mean, by the week I was getting worse. Yeah. And um and that was that was that was those 6 months my body was healing. I wasn't worse. Um and nobody you know, nobody And I I I liked my doctors. I worked hard to find the team. I didn't just pick the first one out there. I went through a lot of them. Um they were well-meaning. Um but the sad reality is I only had one, which was my movement disorder, that was curious when I told her I was um that's my Parkinson's doctor. Um [clears throat] for those that don't know, who was um curious and wrote it in my notes when I told her that I'm feeling better and she observed my movement was clearly better. Um uh and everybody else was sort of brushing it on under the rug. Didn't want to hear. You know, couldn't get out of the room quick enough. You're going to die. You're going to get sick. Your the illness is going to get worse if you stop this medication. And you know, most of them were probably um late 40s, early 50s. You know, I picked that age group for a reason cuz I wanted I didn't want somebody really young feeling insecure and I didn't want a really older doctor thinking they knew it all. I thought, "Well, maybe you know, maybe I'll pick a curious age group." I really strategically picked them. But yet um you know, all reputable practices, all well-meaning, you know, good people. But yet the lack of curiosity was and you know, in hindsight, just I just can't believe it that they they weren't curious and you'd think with somebody like me, um that they would be absolutely curious and fascinated, "Well, how are you getting well and what are you doing?" And and and um and and and getting off of medication one after another. You know, um even my asthma doctor, who I'd been on asthma medication I had asthma at 2 years of age, quite severe, as a child. And I've been on asthma medication faithfully every day of my life up until 3 years ago when I got off of it. It was the third to the last medication that I went off. I mean, that's huge for somebody who never missed a day of taking asthma medication. And it wasn't necessarily for wheezing, it was for uh preventative. Um you know, oral steroids or and I there I did the whole gamut of of asthma medications. Been hospitalized a couple times. Mhm. I mean, that's huge that that many years being sick and treated with an illness that I can be off that medication. Yeah. Yeah. And you'd think the doctor would say, "Like What What do you I mean, you're you're you know, 69 years old. What do What what what the heck did you do?" Yeah. You know, and he's the one that actually took me off. I was a little nervous, too, because I've been I depended on that so long. He says, "Your lung function" and I have a little scarring from a long history, but he says, "Your lung function function's incredible. You don't need this anymore." Good. Yes, but why don't you need it? Like how how could this be? Yeah. You know, when you know, 6 months before like you just need to take this. I mean, we're just going to you're going to be on this, you know, forever. That was their attitude and now now I don't have to be on it and now I'm off of everything else. I mean, Yeah. Um Yeah. The only the only one that did So, I had did have an occurrence of the MRSA came back on my finger. I'm not sure why because mine was blood born last fall. It was minor. Um always a little worrisome. Um um but uh I'm getting I'm going for surgical debridement um in my in in my finger to to treat it and um then antibiotics. Surgical debridement, they hose down. They go down far and they hose down. But uh the they the tech guy said you know, who's checking you in or whatever. He says, [clears throat] "They still haven't taken all my medication out." And I said, "No, I'm not on any med." And I've got a list like this. You know, and and he's I said, "No, I'm off of all I'm" He goes, "Okay, so you're on zero medication?" Mhm. And I said, "Yes, zero." And he looked at me. He said, "How is that possible with your list of illnesses?" And I said, "I'm carnivore." Mhm. >> And and he said, "Oh, that's so cool." He said, "So's the doctor." Oh, hey. Nice. First one I come across my hand at my hand surgeon. And he said, "And some of us are really close." I said, "Yes." And I said I also strength train. He said, "So does he." So he came he came in and the guy said to him, "She's carnivore and she lifts weights." And I said, "Yes, and I'm also I'm also 71." He says, "Way to go. It's pretty awesome stuff, isn't it?" So he's got a whole bunch of people in his office following the same. And that was like my brightest glimmer of hope that, you know, finally a doctor who gets it. He goes, "It's really powerful stuff, isn't it?" And I said, "Yes." Yeah. Oh, that's good. Did Yeah. >> with your other, you know, Parkinson's doctors and your rheumatoid arthritis doctors, all these other people, did they I mean, have you followed up with them since? I mean, have they have they understood that this is an actual reversal of your condition? No, I probably should, but no, you know, I I got tired of hearing plant-based, you shouldn't be eating like that. I just And and you can't stop the medication. I got off of all those medications on my own except for the asthma one where he said I was taking Breo Ellipta, which is a steroid inhaler. And um he said, "Just stop taking it." 3 years ago, every other every other medication I had to do it on my own. They didn't They just didn't want to hear it. You know, they didn't want to They just said, "You're not You It's going to come back and you can't afford for it to come back after what you've been through. You need to be on it." Uh the antibiotics he literally said, "I I don't want to talk about it. Everybody Um everybody thinks" He was the head of infectious disease. He said, "Everybody concurs that it was so bad, so seated so long that um I mean, it probably come back in 30 days and you're not going to make another run of this. You're not going to come through it." Um and I said, "I've been off of it for 45." Mhm. I took myself off and and he And his attitude was, "Okay. All right. So give me a call if you feel sick again." That was literally what he said to me and I And I haven't You know, I haven't gone back. He didn't want to hear anything. What did you do? Plus the fact is is and I do want you to look at that picture on my thing cuz you won't believe it when you see it. Uh on my pin page of how I mean, I'm gone. You This is a woman with dementia happening. This is a woman who is totally lost. I mean, I'm literally a stone face. And um you know, they just they just didn't want to hear it. They're not curious. Um Yeah. Well, I mean, >> Uh which is which is sad and um and unnerving at the same time because as doctors I think we think that they would be absolutely fascinated. Yeah. Well, I mean, I can I can understand their concern because I mean, they've never seen that going that direction. They're just like, "Look, if you don't do this, this is going to happen." And for the the majority of the population that's exactly right, but you know, I mean, that that's sort of like to me um a good reason to go back now and walk in there looking like a whole different person be like, "Hey, remember me?" Yeah, I may I may just do that. >> is it. Like you guys Yeah, and and um you know, just just just show them. You know, it's it's sort of I mean, it's it's different, but um there was a there was a patient It was before I was in the department, but I was told about it that you know, we we look at we look at patients that have um uh you know, very serious neurological injuries from surgeries or infections or or injuries or whatever. And there was a a lady and she had um you know, bad tumor tumor, I believe, and she had surgery and it and it did not have a good outcome and she was maybe she had a bleed and and um something anyway. So she had some sort of injury. She had surgery. Didn't didn't was not recovering well. She was very very poor neurologically. And the the um you know, that the the departments and the the the the leading attending called called the consultant here. Um you know, it was just like this this is this isn't going to work. This person This lady's not going to survive. She she's brain dead. She's not going to regain function. And um and you know, the the department agreed and all these sorts of things, but the husband just refused. They absolutely not. You're not You are not pulling the plug on my wife. You're going to keep treating her. And eventually it came to the point where like, "Look, I mean, it's a public health health care system. You know, it's not really up to the patient what happens, you know, if they're not paying for it." And so they said, "Listen, um we're we're we're not able to keep going. Like everybody thinks that this is not going to work out. So we're we are going to pull treatment." He said, "Okay. Fine. Discharge her. Send her home to me and I'll take care of her if you people won't." And so he had the money, so he could afford it and he set up basically an ICU in his home in the bedroom and had a hospital bed and and all the you know, they had nursing care come in and all that sort of stuff. And um nine nine months to a year later um he comes walking into the to the follow-up clinic with her for their follow-up and she walks in and she's speaking and she's you know, has has you know, weathered some some some hits from that that experience, but he was just like I mean, from the accounts I wasn't there, but apparently he was just so just pumpkin grin, you know, just like, "I told you guys you were wrong. You tried to kill my wife, you people." And he just The entire appointment was just him laying into the team about how, you know, they they messed up. And and they just had to sit there. They're like, "Yeah, I'm I'm really sorry that happened. Yeah, okay." You know? And um you know, and so you know, at the time they were making the best decision that they thought that they thought they could. Um but they were wrong in that instance. And you know, in 99 other times they probably would have been right. You know, but thankfully that guy was able to to back his his own uh decision and and came up. But but I I think that's important to see as well. It's important to see that hey, there are exceptions and you need to be careful and you need to look at other sorts of things. And why did she survive and why didn't don't others? And and same for you. You know, they're saying like, "Hey, you're you're going to be toast. Rheumatoid arthritis doesn't get better. And you can't come off your medications. You know, Parkinson's doesn't just reverse. You can't You can't do that." Um and showing them that it can is would hopefully be very powerful and say like, "Listen, you you guys need to look into this. There's actually a lot more information here than you than you realize. And this this works and it worked for me and I'm not a fluke. I'm there there are hundreds of thousands of people in my exact situation that have done this and are continuing to do this and this is this is important for you to look into so you can help other people as well. So, you know, think about it because it it could it could make a lot of changes." Yeah, um and and I probably will because, you know, I do PWR moves. I'm certified to teach it anywhere. Uh and so I I will I've got a couple other commitments right now. I'm going to take it to all the neurologists in the movement disorder including them and present because they look for resources because we know we know fitness has a huge impact in neuroplasticity. Um so that's my into them. So yes, I I will definitely be at some point before September will be back to them including my physician. Great. Well, I'm I'm glad glad to hear it. And look forward to hear hear how that those conversations go. Um Mimi, thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time. I know it's it's a difficult to sort schedule this follow-up, but it was great to see you again. I'm so glad to hear that you're doing so well and helping so many other people along the way as well. Well, thank you for having me. It was a pleasure. Absolutely. Thank you all for joining. Please do leave a comment. Tell us what you think and if you know anybody who would benefit from this, please like a doctor or a neurologist, please do send this on to them. Thank you very much. We'll see you next time. Hey guys, thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say. If you like it, then please like and subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast. And if you're on YouTube, then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I have a new video out, which should be every week if not more. And if you could share this with your friends, that would help me get the word out and let me know that you like what I'm doing. Thanks again, guys.