Dr. Anthony Chaffee delivers a comprehensive exploration of human evolutionary biology and the fundamental mismatch between our ancestral diet and modern food choices. He explains how humans evolved as apex predators for approximately 3 million years, with our brain size and physical stature dramatically increasing during ice ages when only meat was available. The discussion reveals how the introduction of agriculture 10,000 years ago caused an immediate 11% reduction in brain size and 5-inch decrease in height, demonstrating the profound impact of dietary changes on human development.
The episode exposes the corrupt origins of modern nutritional guidelines, tracing them back to the Seventh Day Adventist Church and their religious opposition to meat consumption. Dr. Anthony Chaffee reveals how food companies like Kellogg's, founded by church members, deliberately promoted plant-based foods while simultaneously investing in pharmaceutical companies that treat the diseases these foods cause. He details how the sugar industry paid Harvard professors to falsify studies blaming cholesterol for heart disease, leading to the disastrous 1977 USDA guidelines that increased chronic disease rates.
Plant toxins emerge as a central theme, with Dr. Anthony Chaffee explaining that plants produce over a million different chemical compounds primarily for defense, many of which are carcinogenic. He contrasts this with the safety and nutritional completeness of animal foods, noting that even processed plant foods in grocery stores would be toxic if consumed in their natural state. The discussion includes practical guidance on meat selection, explaining why ruminant animals are preferred due to their ability to filter toxins, while also reassuring listeners that conventional grocery store meat remains far superior to any plant-based alternative.
Key Takeaways
- Humans evolved as apex predators eating exclusively meat for 3 million years during ice ages, which drove exponential brain growth and increased average height to 6'2"-6'4"
- Agriculture introduction 10,000 years ago immediately caused 11% brain size reduction and 5-inch height decrease, effects that persist today
- Plants produce over 1 million defensive chemical compounds, with Brussels sprouts containing 136 known carcinogens and mushrooms being 500 times more carcinogenic than industrial pesticides
- Modern nutritional guidelines originated from Seventh Day Adventist religious beliefs opposing meat consumption, with Kellogg's founder promoting plant foods while simultaneously developing diabetes medications
- Heart disease was unknown before 1910 and became the #1 killer by 1930 when meat consumption was at its lowest point in 200 years, coinciding with introduction of processed foods and seed oils
- Cholesterol levels show inverse relationship with mortality - people with higher LDL cholesterol live longer according to studies with 11 million participants published in top medical journals
- Grass-fed ruminant meat contains 4-5 times more micronutrients than conventional meat, but conventional grocery store beef still provides complete nutrition superior to any plant food
- Fiber is indigestible waste that increases risk of diverticulosis by 600% and bowel disease, while meat provides 98-99% absorption rate requiring minimal digestive effort
- Why Plants Are Poisonous - Natural Chemical Defense Systems
- Human Evolution from Plant-Eating to Apex Predators
- Agriculture's Impact on Human Height and Brain Size
- Native American Health and Genetic Adaptation to Diet
- The Rise of Heart Disease in the 1900s
- Saturated Fat Truth and Cholesterol Myths Debunked
- Modern Chronic Disease Epidemic and Zoo Animal Parallels
- Seventh Day Adventist Origins of Modern Nutrition Guidelines
- Diabetes Reversal and Plant Toxin Removal
- Autism Treatment with Carnivore Diet and Carnitine Deficiency
- LDL Cholesterol Q&A - Small Dense vs Large Buoyant Types
- Fiber Myth Debunked - Why You Don't Need Dietary Fiber
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even plants are not designed to be in our body and why does that matter well it matters because plants are living organisms and they like to stay living organisms and if you eat them they die they use different means and defenses but one of the main defenses is is actually by being poisonous they make about a million different chemicals and the vast majority of them are a defensive in nature because they're stationary they can't move they can't run away they can't fight back like an animal can seed oils and sugar perfectly track with heart disease saturated fat and animal fats actually come down it's actually reciprocal and that's actually been shown by the Journal American College of Cardiology that saturated fat is not connected with heart disease at all so there's no upper limit on the amount of saturated fat you can eat as per the number one Cardiology journal on Earth 5 years ago every doctor on Earth would say diabetes is not possible to reverse it's not possible is a chronic illness it only gets worse that's not true welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically whatever you're biologically designed to eat whatever you've been eating for millions of years that's obviously what your biology is set up for your biochemistry is set up for so adding in things that have never existed in our diet really some of these things you know 50 years I mean some things that have been made up last year is impossible Burgers all these sort of things these are just completely you know uh made up these are ingredients that have just never been put in our body there's just like a chemistry experiment so these things are not designed to be in our body but even plants are not designed to be in our body and why does that matter well it matters because plants are living organisms and they like to stay living organisms and if you eat them they can die right or if you're eating their seed or their nut that's a baby that is not going to make it so they protect themselves they certainly protect their babies and they use different means and defenses but one of the main defenses is is actually by being poisonous and using chemical deterrents they make about a million different chemicals and that's and the vast majority of them are a defensive in nature right because they're stationary they can't move they can't run away they can't fight back like an animal can and so they need to use all sorts of different things they need to be Woody Barky they trees grow up and tall and away from from animals that are you know stuck on the ground and uh they also have thorns and spikes they make latex we we make latex gloves out of these things but that's actually a defense mechanism for the plant because it's very khaky sap and so an animal starts eating that leaf the latex starts coming out it actually glues their mouth shut and they have and they can't eat anymore they they they physically are stopped from eating them so it's a very elegant defense to stop an animal from eating you if you glue their mouth shut right the problem for the animal is that they they then die because they can't get their mouth open they can't eat after that and and that's it for them so they are happy to kill you if you mess with them they're more than happy to kill you it is kill or be killed in the wild for plants as well as animals and we know this in inherently right because if you get lost in the woods and you run out of food you can't just eat any random plant right most of them will make you very very sick or even kill you and you know this is also why we have grocery stores you're not just picking leaves off those bushes or the trees behind you and making a salad because why the hell would you you'd get very sick you can't do that so we know that inherently and yet at the same time we go and we buy you know spinach and kale and all these other things and and forget that that applies to them as well so it's not that kale and spinach are not poisonous spinach and kale will kill a koala and they actually had to they actually tried to give kale to cows but it actually made them very sick and it actually damaged the milk and things like that and so they they couldn't do that they cows couldn't handle that and that's because they are designed to eat certain things actually rumed animals are pretty robust they can deal with a lot of different things because of the nature of their very complex uh digestive system but even they will get very sick or even die from most plants and so even herbivores that exclusively eat plants they eat very specific plants there's 300,000 340,000 plants in the world koalas eat one pandas eat one cows horses grazing animals they eat grass that's it but they eat specific grasses you can put sheep and cows on the same Paddock they eat different grasses right so they don't compete for resources right and then you know the leaves that a deer eats are different from the leaves that a gorilla eats those are different from the leaves that a giraffe eats and so on you mix those leaves around they all get sick or die okay and a koala eats eucalyptus almost nothing else eats eucalyptus maybe a few insects right but koalas can't eat anything else because they they have the biological design to detoxify and somewhat safely eat eucalyptus even though it does actually mess them up a bit they can't they don't have that design for anything else they can't do that so you know something I learned in seventh grade was that plants and animals are an evolutionary arms race plants becoming more and more poisonous so less and less animals can eat them so they can survive and thrive and that's why they haven't gone extinct and so all the plants that have made it through the gauntlet of evolution these things are battle hardened they know how to survive and that animals are becoming more and more adapted to specific poisons in specific plants so they can eat that plant and Survive and Thrive and this is why you have koala that just eat eucalyptus pandas that just eat bamboo and and so on so they have that biological design they can eat that plant but they can't eat other plants so if your species hasn't evolved to eat a specific plant that plant is bad for you to varying degrees now we have an herbivorous background but it was about six million years ago and our ancestors started eating more and more meat we started getting more and more adaptations from you know other primates and about 3.3 million years ago we we found the oldest example of worked stone tools like sharpened edge stone tool that people that that our ancestors were using to you know kill and dismember meat because we didn't have big teeth we didn't have big claws right so we had to figure out tools we had to use pound stones to crack open the skulls of animals and get at the brain that was early Scavenging we have evidence of that going back millions of years before the worked first uh sharpened stone tools right so we've been using tools for millions of years we didn't have the physical uh characteristics like a lion did to just kill and dismember and eat animals so we had to figure things out we had to develop our brains we had to develop tactics we had to develop tools which is why we got smarter and lions got toothier right and that's also why we live in houses and lions don't because you know what we use our brains for to make tools to go hunting and we made those tools for we could apply that tool making and intelligence to other things right and so that was I think definitely a leg up I I'll take the houses over uh you know Main and and Claws thank you very much and so you know we that's the direction that we went but for about the last three million years or so we've been nearly exclusively eating meat and when the ice ages started because there weren't any ice Capt or ice or anything like that before about 2.5 million years ago that's when that ice ages started happening we're actually still in the middle of an ice age that's why we still have ice caps those are not normally there and as those ice sheets are coming down uh you're killing all these these plants and animals that survived on them who survived well our ancestors that were already hunting that were already eating meat that were already able to survive on an only meat diet and those are the ones that survived that's are the ones that we we came from and other uh you know prehuman species actually died out around that time and went extinct they were more reliant on plants and they couldn't make it so during that time people think like well well well the vegans will tell you that well as I were coming down people started moving towards the equator right because that's where the the fruit and the honey and the bushes were right that's actually wrong the fossil record they a lot of people will just make things up so always always challenge people if someone is saying something you're like okay that doesn't sound right like where's your evidence for that ask them to prove it they generally will not be able to do it maybe there's like a blog or something like that somewhere but there will never be any hard evidence of these sorts of things so it's oh yeah well people were moving towards the equator no they weren't the fosser record is very clear people were move as the ice sheets were coming down people moved up into the ice because that's presumably where the megap was that they that they wanted to hunt and so during those ice ages there were no plants available there was no fruit there was no honey there was none of that available it was available was meat and this is when we became apex predators we weren't just scavengers we weren't just sort of getting what we could we all of a sudden became a able to take down a Mastadon and eat the whole thing right and this is when our Evolution really started taking off we were we were much shorter brains were smaller but the brains were growing our height were growing for millions of years but then at this point it has this exponential growth and our our brain had the fastest uh growth of any any sort of species in the fossil record and that came up and up and up and up and up and up exponentially increasing until about 10,000 years ago bang sharp decline and in fact there's a line at the Agricultural Revolution 8,000 years ago or so right before that when people were this is the megaphon has died out about 15 20,000 years ago with the last ey agage right so we already our our food supply has been disrupted so we' be need mastadons and you know giant sloths for millions of years and now all of a sudden they're gone you have certain places that had like Buffalo and all that sort of stuff they were still able to sort of do that or you know different areas with horses and all that stuff but a lot of people sort of didn't have the right hunting food supply so they started turning into hunter gatherers before that it was just Hunters now it's a bit Hunter Gathering and then some of those hunter gatherers switched over to farming and agriculture there's a line right there at agriculture right before agriculture even when people were not even eating a lot of meapa but hunter but hunting and Gathering they were still 5 in taller 11% larger brain capacity they had better teeth they had big Jaws they had perfectly straight teeth they didn't get cavities they didn't get you know crooked teeth they had all of their for wisdom teeth would come in and the directly after agriculture so this is not thousands of years down the road this is directly after agriculture came in people started prod you know eating a lot more plants they were again five inches shorter brains were smaller brain capacity or or brain size reduced by 11% directly after agriculture it stayed down our our you know brain sizes are smaller now they're smaller than they were before agriculture we are dumber than we were before that and this is this is 100% uh uh developmental this is not genetic we know that because there's a sharp line and when you uh get away from that people are taller people you start eating more meat you have people people in in Asia or Europe or whatever and they've had different famines with Communism and so forth they go they're short stunted statures and then they come to America they come to other Western countries have more access to meet and their kids are 6'4 right you have these tiny little 5 foot2 parents and the kids are 6'4 right that happens regularly and we know that the average height of a population denotes the average health of a population you know the Mongols right now they're like on average 5'4 for the you know an adult male however with genas K the mongle wh they're on average six foot4 and that's because they were eating horse meat drinking horse blood and fermented Mar's Mill they were massive they were monsters and they absolutely just ravaged all most of Asia and most of Europe the largest contiguous Empire that's ever existed on Earth and like all the different histories and accounts were that these were massive human beings that the little peasant armies and in Asia and China and things like that they like actually couldn't hit them hard enough to penetrate their armor whereas like the Mongols were just cleaving these people in half it was just it was just crazy the difference in in physical stature and ability that came from eating meat we also know that before when before the meapa uh died out that these areas that that people were hunting mastadons just eating woolly mammoths they were again on average 6'2 6'4 as a range from about 5 foot 10 to 6 fo4 so these are massive massive people that's you know there is a genetic component but it's largely to do with epigenetics and our diet right so the things that we're eating are affecting what we're doing we we know this from other studies with cats you you feed them slightly wrong thing just cooked meat instead of raw meat and they actually get worse generation after generation after three generations they can't reproduce their bone density is is you know their bone mineralization is 3% instead of 14% they're getting all these fractures they're much smaller much smaller brains uh their cheekbones don't develop properly and that's just from slight from cooking meat instead of giving them raw meat right and but then you start giving them raw meat they don't just bounce back they don't just like the Next Generation they're they're back at the raw meat stage it takes four generations to breed back into a normal cat right so there are epigenetic effects that have generational KnockOn effects okay and so this is this is what we're in the middle of now so how this matters to us today well you know if we're going to be as healthy as we possibly can if our kids are going to be as healthy as possibly as they can and their kids and their kids and their kids and we want to read out to being these tall bastards the the the the Native Americans in the plains the Plains Indians were eating buffalo just just eating meat maybe had some berries maybe had some berries seasonally they there's there's a recent studies showing this they were the tallest human beings on earth right there's a delegation from the great lakes that came down and visited uh then president Thomas Jefferson right he was he was a tall guy he's like 6 fo2 and he said in his in his uh writings that these guys were giants that they were huge and from paintings and depictions and looking at Scales they figured these guys were nearly seven feet tall right just hun Hunters that's it they're just eating meat and they were growing tall as hell that is not the same now you go to you know Indian reservations and these sorts of things they're eating the crap that we're eating and they're is seriously affecting their health right so again if your species hasn't evolved to eat something that is bad for you now you can have some sort of adaptation and certain populations have had agriculture longer than others and that would be European populations certain Asian populations Middle Eastern populations Northern Africa and other populations have been introduced to that subsequently since the you know the colonial era right like Native Americans who were pushing s feet tall and now they're you know lower end on the 5 foot scale why is that right because they don't have these genetic adaptations they don't even have the slight genetic adaptations and so this is something that I actually learned when I was a kid that when eating a western diet Native Americans were four times as likely to get obesity heart disease liver disease diabetes cancer and all the rest and I remember thinking I was like well doesn't that mean the food is causing the disease because if they don't eat the food they don't get the disease and we eat the food and we get the disease we just get it at a lower rate you know what's a non-western diet what are they eating that we're not and vice versa well they didn't tell me at the time but the answer was they're pure high fat carnivores they weren't eating these plants with all these plant toxins now some people say well no they were specially adapt like the Inuit just eating blubber and whale and polar bear and fish and things like that and so that's I was like why why doesn't that cause heart disease why are these people not getting cancer and diabetes and all these things that you say are caused by eating fatty meat well they're they're specially adapted no they're not we're specially adapted we started eating something new we've always eaten meat the majority of human live exactly as the Inu are living traditionally during an Ice Age just eating meat nothing else available that was the original form eating plants that came subsequently so that's new that's the change right and so we're especially adapted to eat some of these poison ass plants right so they're not and but they have much lower rates of heart disease before they started in in you know getting ingrained in the um in Western culture and drinking alcohol smoking cigarettes and eating a bunch of garbage their heart disease rate was Zero their cancer rates were zero their diabetes rates were zero then they started coming up and there's actually studies with this going you know every couple decades they doing more and it's just like cancer rates coming up a bit coming up a bit heart disease coming up a bit coming up a bit and they also but it's still lower than the rest of Canada even the even including ones that are in cities eating crap right so there's there's a there's a range you have these people eating Western food and they're getting sick so it's not it's not a a population thing it's a diet thing the ones that are eating like they were supposed to eat they're the ones not getting these diseases and they on average start smoking when they're eight years old which is pretty crazy so there was a study in the in 1992 up in Canada where they looked at this and they said well these guys have crazy risk factors for heart disease they're just eating blubber they're smoking since they're eight and they have they have the lowest rates of heart disease they have much lower rates of heart disease on average than the rest of Canada right so he said okay they they must be that that whole they must be specially adapted against heart disease uh theory has was disproven it with this study in 1992 and so they looked at all these genetic markers for heart disease and so you have certain genes that make you more likely to get get heart disease or or less likely to get heart disease they said okay well we predict that they'll have all these good ones protecting against heart disease no they had all the bad ones all of them they were completely at risk um genetically of getting heart disease and yet they were not getting heart disease so what does that mean you have a genetic predisposition you have environmental triggers so they had the genetic predisposition but they were not getting the environmental trigger unless they were eating the crap that we were eating heart disease the first person to die of a heart attack that was that was shown on autopsy in America was around 1910 and people didn't believe it they were like that's that's [ __ ] you know it's like no there this blockage in the coronary artery and the muscle died and that's what I think killed this guy and they're like we've never heard of that we've been doing autopsies on people for hundreds of years no one has ever described that and you make your name by describing a new pathology that's how you go down in in the the you know the history books so many things are named after doctors uh you know previous centuries that have have discovered you know various things and so they're like no we don't buy it it wasn't until another decade later that they started going like oh okay maybe that guy was on to something because more and more people seem to be dying from this this weird thing that was affecting the heart a decade after that in the 1930s heart disease is the number one killer in America 20 years earlier it never been heard of had never been seen now it's the number one killer in America right what was happening at that time we were actually eating less meat in the 20s and 30s then we had for 200 years so all the 1800s and and 1900 in the the 19th and 20th Century we're eating much more meat sort of trough down we're eating a lot more meat in the beginning of the 1800s and that's slowly started sort of coming down coming down around 1920 1930 was a trough and then it started coming up a bit after that and now it's you know sort of a up on the v as well no heart disease at all no one had a heart attack no heart disease at all in the whole 1800s and early 1900s and all of a sudden it's the number one killer at that trough while we were eating the least amount of meat in 200 years that's when this bang spikes up but that's when we started uh making uh processed foods that's when Kelloggs came on the scene sanitarium Foods came on the scene that's when um uh processed seed oils in which were industrial lubricants they started being sold to humans for consumption that's when sugar started being able to be refined and this became started becoming major components of our of our caloric intake on a daily basis and you see those perfectly track with heart disease seed oils and sugar perfectly track with heart disease saturated fat and animal fats actually come down it's actually reciprocal saturated fat total because there's other sources of saturated fats sort of made you brought it up it's basically a flatline for a century for saturated fat and that's actually been shown by the Journal American College of Cardiology that saturated fat is not connected with heart disease at all so there's no upper limit on the amount of saturated fat you can eat as per the number one Cardiology Journal on Earth hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnival bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys in fact they found an inverse relationship between saturated fat consumption and stroke rate so people that are eating more saturated fat are actually protected from getting a stroke people eating less saturated fat are at higher risk of getting a stroke right so it's exactly the opposite of what they told us exactly the opposite of what they told me in medical school about you know know the Framingham study and other sort of uh you know big studies looking at heart disease and they found wow with increased LDL cholesterol or total cholesterol people are having more heart attacks and strokes in fact those same studies actually showed the exact opposite the Framingham studies showed that the less cholesterol you have the higher your stroke and heart attack rate the AHA the American Heart Association lied and misrepresented that two years later because they were bought and paid for by the sugar companies and we actually know this too the Journal of American Medical Association one of the top medical journals in the World published in 2016 actual me internal memos from the sugar companies detailing how they paid off three Harvard professors to falsify data and publish fraudulent studies to make it appear as if cholesterol caused heart disease when it was really sugar and then to exonerate sugar say that it was safe say it was an empty calorie and since we can't eat fat we've always been eating fat but probably not good for you so you should just replace it with sugar because it's an empty calorie it'll be safe and you at least get away from this potential harm and um that was bought and paid for and so people like anel Keys was one of these people who was very famous uh scientist but uh completely corrupt and completely um you know in the pay of of the sugar company so one of those professors from Harvard was named head of the USDA and he was the one who authored and published the 1977 USDA declaration saying that cholesterol caused heart disease and saturated fat increases cholesterol stop eating both and it Chang changed the world and we've reduced our red meat consumption by over 33% obviously because that's that's worse we reduce eggs as well and reduce our cholesterol and saturated fat consumption by 33% you reduce red meat by over 33% increased chicken but you know sort of lean chicken breast and things like that so the meat consumption was slow somewhat stable but fat cholesterol red meat all came down fruits and vegetables went up by 30 40% respectively grains went up sugar went up so well actually got replaced with high fructose corn syrup over tripled the amount of high fructose corn syrup we were eating over tripled the amount of seed oils that we were eating and what happened well heart disease rates tripled for one and so but also stroke rate obesity rate cancer rates have all increased massively diabetes has increased massively autoimmune disease have increased massively Alzheimer's Parkinson's autism all of these things have increased exponentially they almost didn't exist before the 1980s now they're one of the main stats in modern medicine 90% of the of the illnesses that we treat as doctors are these so-called chronic diseases that are non-communicable chronic diseases that you just get for some damn reason and you can't pass them on you're not catching them from anyone else we don't know why they come on we don't know why they go away but we we could only treat their their their symptoms because we don't know the cause well you can ask a zookeeper what the cause is because you say what do you feed animals oh you have to feed them what they eat in the wild that's why they have those signs that say do not feed the animals it makes them very sick don't feed the animal the thing that you're eating right now it makes them sick what the hell is it doing to you right and you ask them you say okay would you ever feed them like kibble and dog food and this that and the other oh my God are you out of your mind they'll get human diseases if you do that what the hell is that so all of a sudden just eating dog food and kibble and grain they'll they'll catch diabetes from someone no it causes the diabetes it causes the the autoimmune issues and that's what that's what zoo animals get you feed them something they don't eat in the while they get sick but what do they get sick with they get obesity heart disease liver disease diabetes cancer autoimmune disease is arthritis dogs and cats known carnivores and we give them this grain and plant-based kibble they get the same things we get the same thing because they are not diseases these are toxic exposures you're getting exposed to something toxic to you something that your body is not biologically designed to handle and it's breaking down it's getting sick we we we didn't know what the what the exact symptoms of lead poisoning were until basically the late 1800s the the Romans sort of figured it out the Romans had lead pipes and for a long time they everyone was getting sick they didn't know what the hell was going on you think there's just a plague or a sickness or a disease or something I figured out I think it's something to do with these pipes people that drink water out of this they're getting sick and you you take it away from them and and they don't get sick anymore so we're living in our our Roman era lead pipes we are exposing ourselves to toxins that our bodies are not designed and adapted to deal with some more or less than others and we're getting sick but the good thing about that is once you recognize that it's really easy to get better because all you do is just remove that exposure so you have lead pipes in your house your house all of a sudden you realize oh [ __ ] I've got lead poisoning so what do you do do you take a bunch of medications that sort of just slowly keyate these things out and mitigate your lead poisoning for 40 years until you die young and and pain bleeding out of your eyes or do you get rid of the lead pipes right you get rid of the lead pipes and you just go back to normal right now we're treating we're treating the symptoms of lead poisoning and we're just going oh no no you don't need to worry about that you don't need to change your diet eat whatever you want just take this pill right and I think that's a little more by Design than uh than maybe once thought you know I I'm I'm fairly cynical person but I still try to give people benefit of the doubt and you know the pharmaceutical because I'm I'm a doctor and I I definitely use you know Pharmaceuticals and things like that and I think that a lot of people involved are very well-meaning but the people at the top aren't necessarily I I spoke with someone um or I saw an interview rather and they were with some you know Executives at a pharmaceutical company and they were just talking about things they was like you know my favorite drug is that we make and they're like oh what and they're thinking you know something that you know cures childhood leukemia and does all these wonderful things in Africa or something like that said no my favorite drugs are the ones that cause side effects that we have other drugs to treat okay so that's that's someone who's sick in the head right that's someone who's saying that I want you to suffer so that I can sell you something and you have to buy something you're beholden to me forever and that's that's the chronic disease model that you keep people sick you don't cure them you don't fig Chris Rock said this in the 1990s said you know doctors are still pissed off about polio you know they don't want to cure any right they just want to keep you sick and sell you the medicine for the rest of your life and that is exactly what's going on they they've continually ratcheted down the acceptable range for blood pressure so now more and more people have to go on blood pressure medications more and more people have to go on statens they're lowering the thresholds for people and they're saying that everyone over 50 doesn't matter what your cholesterol is everyone over 50 should be on a Staten 50% of people over 40 should be on a stat now they're saying oh you should actually start these things in your 30s if you have kids that have high high cholesterol those children should be put on statins why the hell would you do that your body's made out of cholesterol what a Statin does is it stops your body from making cholesterol making the large buoyant LDL cholesterol molecules that are good for you not the damaged sdldl that get come about from glycation oxidation from plants from carbs from sugar from alcohol from seed oils right so it stops your body from making the good ones and it keeps the bad ones there okay it also stops your brain for making cholesterol 20% of your brain is cholesterol the milein sheath the aent the the the you know the in insulation around your axons most of that is cholesterol and saturated fat right and so you're stopping your brain from making this Lipitor and others not all of them but but a fair amount of them cross the blood brain barrier and stop your brain from making cholesterol which it requires as an essential building block of your brain and so people's brains are atrophying and causing Alzheimer's so there was there was a study that actually showed that it can form a cause a reversible kind of autism they had all these people that quote unquote had Alzheimer's but they were on these statins that could cross into the brain and so they took them off the statins six weeks later they didn't have Alzheimer's anymore put them back on the medications six weeks later they had Alzheimer's again right so you're causing brain damage and now they're saying we should give this to kids with a developing nervous system that is that is truly sick and it gets worse than that because I just found this out recently but you know Kellogg cereal it was one of the first um one of the first processed food companies and this is this is something I think people should look into there's a lady named Belinda fety feou T ke and she does Talks on YouTube about where how do we get here with these nutritional guidelines and suggestions where did this all come from where do the nutritionists you know what what who started the whole nutrition Sciences at the University level who writes the curriculum it actually comes back to a religious origin with Kelloggs which is the 7th Day Adventist Church who in the 1800s had a vision from God their their prophetes LG White had a vision from God so she said that um that meat was bad it caused lustful feelings and sexual urges lust was a sin therefore meat was a sin and her um one of the people she looked up to was uh Sylvester Graham of the graham cracker and this was this was something all throughout the 1900s that people thought that like you need to eat eat a bland plant-based diet to suppress your sexual urges this is during purari um you know Temperance movements and things like that that just masturbation was just the worst sin on Earth she wrote a book Ellen G white wrote a book about how if your kid masturbates once it's like putting a gun to his breast and pulling the trigger life is over in that instant they really took this this seriously and so kellogs was her uh Protegé and her types Setter so he's just getting indoctrinated with stuff from an early age and he grew up to be Dr Kellogg and uh he and his brother founded Kellogg cereals and he was a very influential very influential doctor and scientist and um and he pushed all this sort of stuff he's also the one who pushed U male circumcision in America as well that's why the majority of U men in America are circumcised because he convinced the medical establishment that this is actually good for boy's Health it's actually not is absolutely not but it madees it difficult to have sex and masturbate that's why he did it and he would punish kids basically you know Mom would come in like oh he's just masturbating he's just masturbating so they' take him to the doctor for some reason and so he would take him and he would he would circumcise boys and girls without anesthetic the guy was sick and he would actually use like acids and different sort of cic agents to actually score and burn uh little girls private parts to stop them from uh getting pleasure out of masturbating it was uh twisted and he actually tried to push female circumcision remove of the clitoris in America as well that one didn't take thankfully but male circumcisions did take and so that that's what that's that's where that comes from and so they started nutritional Sciences they they founded was is it the American uh nutritional dietetics Association the n in in 1917 or something like that they wrote the first textbook on nutrition in 1925 it's still uh the current addition is still being used in IV League nutrition courses and they still write the curriculums they're on the boards they're on the they're they're making the guidelines they're in the who they're the ones who came up with that who 2015 um Proclamation that processed Meats were a likely carcinogen and that red meat were probably a carcinogen they were s-day Adventists they were vegans they were vegetarians and they cherry-picked studies and omitted others in the University of Washington Seattle published last year saying that these they looked at hundreds of studies and saying that these are crap these are lazy this is lazy science these are corrupt these are biased and there is no evidence to suggest that meat causes cancer or is even associated with cancer and especially not unprocessed red meat so why does this matter well because we are getting sick and we're getting sicker and sicker and sicker by the decade and I think it is a direct relationship uh to what we're eating and uh what we're supposed to be eating and and the reason we're being you know controlled and and told to do certain things religious and origin now there's massive multinational multi-trillion Dollar Food companies that have a a very specific driving uh Financial agenda you know the all these different sorts of things like you know the exercises medicine sort of things oh you should exercise don't worry about what you're eating you just need to exercise that was founded by Coca-Cola that's still funded by Coca-Cola but what I was what I was coming to that was was worse than all that was that the food companies are having invested in the pharmaceutical companies pharmaceutical companies are heavily invested in in the food companies so that that's very suspicious that they sort of know the connection then they know something is going on and just like that you know that executive saying that oh I like the medications that cause problems that you need other medications to fix well wouldn't they love even more selling you food that's not really food but makes you sick and then you sell them things that help with that now you could say well maybe they're just a good investment they both make a lot of money that's that's true true but why is it that Kelloggs which is vertically integrated they grow their own crops they grow their own uh produce and products and then they process them put them in boxes sell them around to people they're also vertically integrated with Pharmaceuticals what Pharmaceuticals do they make they make diabetes medication make blood pre blood sugar lowering medication so they are selling you something that they know causes diabetes that they know causes metabolic issues and they are selling you the medicine for it that's that's knowledge of forethought I I'd say that's pretty damning evidence these people know exactly what they're doing they know they are selling you something that makes you sick and they are profiting off of that and I think that those people honestly need to be shot but at least need to be prosecuted criminally for that and um and that's why I think this is so important I have seen people reverse diseases that are here to for thought to be irreversible they just don't go away they're chronic like diabetes 5 years ago every doctor on Earth would say diabetes is not possible to reverse it's not possible it's a chronic illness it only gets worse that's not true you remove carbohydrates you remove processed sugars and Seed oils it goes away very quickly and people and this has been shown in large clinical trials in humans not just animals so this is this is clinically proven and I see it day after day after day after day you remove carbs sugar alcohol seed oils diabetes disappears you know if you and if you and you do even better if you get rid of all plants because there are other sort of plant toxins and things like that I have a whole lecture called plants are trying to kill you but I go through all the different sorts of plant tox a lot of different plant toxins there's a million of them um you know a lot of classes of them some are called lectins which are absolutely toxic as hell some of these things actually bind to insulin receptors they bind to leptin which is your your satiety hormone makes you overeat uh you know triggers insulin even if you don't have carbs in your system and and high insulin causes a lot of problems in your body huge problems and so I have a lot of lectures on that as well but you know you get people off these these things and people even going on a vegetarian diet some of them will improve if they get away from processed foods processed foods are are vegetarian they're plant-based right it's just processed plants so it's highly con highly processed uh carbs and sugar and things like that seed oils and so they get away with that and they go to more Whole Foods they will improve for a time and then they'll start getting worse they'll have a buildup of these toxins they won't get proper nutrition because they're not getting the essential nutrients that you have to have from meat there's there are things in meat that you have to have that you cannot get from plants or anywhere else there is nothing in plants or or fungus or anything like that that you have to have that you cannot get from meat you know and so if you're avoiding those things you will get sick some people take supplements and they and they last longer but but either way it's going it's going to it's going to detract from their health and it's not going to be they're not going to be as healthy as they could possibly be and so people going from uh a um a vegetarian diet a vegan diet they come to 84% of vegans and vegetarians start eating meat again because and the most most commonly given reason is because of health issues because their health is suffering so much they have to start eating meat just to get basic nutrition they all feel so much better and they'll have or some people will help their autoimmune diseases but I have people from coming from vegetarian and vegans that yes it sort of helped it at first but it didn't get it make it go away and they're still suffering with this for years and then they come off all plants and only go to meat and it's gone so it's not the meat that's the problem it's you know these other plant products that are highly processed these Industrial Products that are even worse right and so you know you and and again a lot of these studies are coming from the 7th Day Adventist Church but they're also coming from industry Coca-Cola just Coca-Cola not even Nestle Pepsi Kellogg sanitarium all these other ones just Coca-Cola spends 11 times the amount of money on nutritional research than the NIH right so 95% plus of the nutritional literature that is available on this Earth is coming from very uh suspicious sources people that have agendas you know the the um the daa the the dietetics association of Australia they say that a ketogenic diet is oh well this is a fad diet there's no real evidence there are literally thousands of studies in humans and tens of thousands in animals showing that a ketogenic diet reverses massive amounts of chronic diseases helps in cancer reverses diabetes uh reverses Crohn's disease all these sort it puts these things in remission that are thought to could not have be put into remission and that's just removing carbs right and are saying no no no that's a fat but the vegan diet oh vegan diet is very healthy vegan diet oh yeah a well-designed vegan diet is really good but you do have to worry about these pesky things called nutrients like B12 D3 K2 vitamin A retinol um you know Iron and all these other sorts of things but if you know if if you account for that that's okay it's was like okay you're a nutritionist and you're saying and you're promoting a diet that is lacking in basic nutrients like you're clearly an idiot or corrupt and in fact they're corrupt so the only they only put out four studies to to back up their claim that a vegan died is good every single one is either bu a Seventh Day Adventist or buy an employee of sanitarium foods which is owned by the 7thday Adventist uh church it's still owned by them they get they get tax exempt status Walter Willet the the Top nutritional researcher at Harvard he's a Seventh Day Adventist right prant people know about him there's a heart healthy pricin dieet back in the 70s and things like that he was an adjunct professor at Lolinda University which is the sday Adventist medical school and um and Medical Center these guys are all wrapped up they have their little grubby fingers everywhere in the world they're 22 Millions people most of them are are very nice people I know several of them and they all say like no no yeah that that's all true from the top down this stuff is really hammered through and it's very very corrupt they're pushing this from a religious agenda and uh and and now a financial agenda as well and so I think that it is probably one of the most well it's it's it's absurdly corrupt but it's also one of the most important things that we're dealing with because you're talking about billions of people this affects everyone if had billions of people be damaged and had their lives truncated we're designed genetically to live 120 years I don't know if you guys know that but genetically according to our chromosomes we should live 120 years on average meaning that if you just stay out of your own way and just don't mess up you should live to 120 years without doing anything special without taking any medications without you know going for a jog you should make it to 120 just by being here why are we dying in our 60s and 70s why are we sick since our 30s why is it that after you oh you get into your 30s and you just start crashing down I'm 43 years old I have more energy now than I when I was 26 and I say 26 because when I was 25 I was only eating meat because I learned how toxic plants were in college I took cancer biology and found out they had 136 known carcinogens just in Brussels sprouts over 100 mushrooms over 60 80 90 in spinach kale lettuce celery cabbage cucumber broccoli Tomatoes potatoes everything that you've ever put in your mouth that grow out of the ground every single one of those things is trying to kill you and that's what my my professor of cancer biology said to us because we were just blown away by this and there's actually 10,000 times more naturally occurring pesticides in the plants that we eat than the pesticides we spray on them industrially and that was proven out of a study from Professor Bruce Ames in UC Berkeley in 1989 and that the pesticides were uh not even as were not as toxic as the naturally occurring poison so mushrooms were 500 times more likely to cause cancer than the pesticides that were being used on them right so if you're worried about pesticides you should damn well be worried about the plants that they're being sprayed on and we were very blown away by this and he just looked at he said listen I don't eat salads and I don't eat vegetables I don't let my kids eat vegetables plants are trying to kill you so I like right that's it and that's why I name my talk plants are trying to kill you because they are not that they have a vendetta against you and they just want to get you they might you know you die and you fall down you they get to absorb you right you get your nutrients in their soil right that's how plants live is by getting our waste our excretions and our bodies as they Decay and break down right is a circle of life for plants as well as animals so I stopped eating plants when I was 20 I sort of started coming back to it when I was 25 playing professional rugby in England just because I'm just frankly the meat sucks there and like I couldn't get anything that wasn't like slightly breaded or or crumbed or something like that and um and so I was just like all right well you know dose makes the poison maybe just a bit a I mean a bit of crumming on chicken two times a week that was enough to take me off my game and not and not feel great and all of a sudden I'm getting you know injuries and and you know just sort of sore and this and that I wasn't playing I was like why don't I feel as superh human amazing as I normally do you know am I am I not working out as hard am I not pushing myself I'm 25 now is that just over the hump and I'm just dying now that was the only thing I could figure out I couldn't I didn't know what the hell else was going on looking back now that's when I started eating a little bit of of things that come from plants and then but that opened the door because now I wasn't thinking I will not touch anything that comes from a plant I wasn't doing a carnivore diet I wasn't thinking hey you were actually apex predators and I'm living how we're supposed to live biologically that makes sense that I feel so good I was just like I'm not in plants and then all of a sudden like well maybe a little bit of plants isn't that bad well maybe a little more isn't that bad and then it was just you know it was done from there I feel better now at 43 than I did at 25 just coming off of a carnivore diet right and so you don't have to break down and get older and get sicker in your 30s in your 40s in your 50s in your 60s 60 is middle-aged 80 is middle-aged 990 is late middle-aged if you die anywhere below 120 you died young and so we have people dying five decades early and we're calling that oh they had a good life no they damn well didn't they were robbed of half a century and that's a half a century of life and what were they like for the five decades leading up to their death they were just getting slowly worse and slowly worse until until they passed away you know people say I don't want to live 120 years because you're thinking about aging the same way that people do now you're thinking if some who's in their 70s and they're they're crippled and frail and you don't want to get even more crippled and frail and just be like just drooling in the chair for 40 years that's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about how the Native Americans and the and plains IND and the Plains Indians were living at 110 120 years old with a pack on their back following the Buffalo herds living active adult healthy Liv this is chronicled in in multiple histories in multiple books Dr JH Salsbury was a was a New York doctor where the Salsbury was named after he did a 30-year research project on the optimal diet for humans and he lived with the Native Americans he said these guys were living to be 1102 years old and they were up and active and around all these sorts of things these these they never lost their mental capacity and and physically they were perfectly able to to live a normal life obviously they weren't as as healthy and robust or or as as as strong and robust as they were before but they were extremely healthy and extremely able to have active you know healthy lives and their brains worked is the most important thing and he found this is long before processed foods this is the in 1800s he found that people that just eating more plants and Grains were getting diseases other people simply weren't and that you could cure those things like rheumatoid arthritis like Crohn's disease like chronic lyme disease like gout like tuberculosis you could cure these people by putting them on a pure red meat and water diet hundred years before any effective medications for any of these things he was curing people and he wrote a book called the relation of alienation and disease alienation is your digestion so the relationship between the things we eat and the diseases we get which is exactly what I'm talking about the things that you're eating are causing these diseases and the simple solutionist does not eat it anymore they go away and I I get I get dozens of messages from people every day I have you know hundreds of patients that I see that just completely are reversing all of these diseases like no no that can't happen all of a sudden it did happen their doctors go how the hell did that happen some of them are smart enough to go okay I want to know how you did that I want to know what's going on I want to know more about this and others are just like ah it's a fluke you know whatever I'm not going to pay too much attention to it those are idiots those are people that just don't want to pay attention to the world around them and um and that that's sad but that's a lot of people but there are more and more and more um you know people like yourselves that are interested in this but also doctors that are like how I I want to help my patients I don't just want to just be slinging drugs at them all the time you're taking people off medications they're getting away from these horrible biologics that that are just causing massive massive issues causing cancers causing infections causing all sorts of different problems for these autoimmune issues you just change their diet they come off all these medications I want to know more so there's a lot of people doing that now too which is great but the most important thing is is educating people and getting this information out there so people can just say you know what I'm going to take control of my own life and I'm and I'll use the medical establishment when I need to you know which is how it's supposed to be you have an accident you have a you know pregnancy childood all these sorts of things that it's good to have some help with but 90% of what we treat now are these chronic diseases that we're just treating you know for four or five decades until people die horrible deaths usually of Alzheimer's that doesn't need to happen that doesn't ever need to happen you know you get medications that are causing Alzheimer's you get lack of fat and cholesterol that can cause that because your brain is made out of fat cholesterol and you're removing this putting someone on a lowfat heart healthy diet and and their brains are decaying right autism there different causes of autism what it is is a mdev of the neurons one of those is obviously going to be nutritional there are tons of studies showing that women that eat more red meat preconception lower rates of kids with autism higher saturated fat consumption during pregnancy lower rates of autism higher LDL cholesterol during pregnancy lower rates of autism women that breastfeed their kid instead of bottle feed lower rates of autism so there is a definitely connection there and there's actually a paper that came out you know ketogenic diet just removing carbohydrates as a treatment modality for autism that's in the published literature right and then you have then you have the fact that vegans and vegetarians have much higher rates of kids with autism why is that well one of the reasons is your brain requires carnitine as amino acid to have proper functioning mitochondria which is very important becoming more and more understood that most of these chronic diseases are a product of damaged mitochondria and so you need for your mitochondri and your and your normal neuronal development so if you don't have enough carnitine your brain can't can't uh develop properly and you'll get brain damage basically MISD development you'll get mental retardation and and certain kinds of autism okay so people say well that's you don't need carnitine first of all anyone who makes carnitine actually does better with more carnitine and carnitine only comes from meat you cannot get it from Plants okay has to come from meat but we call it a non-essential amino acid because we do make it but actually only 70% of us make it or make enough of it 30% of people don't make any or don't make enough and they have to get it from their diet before that that was never an issue because everyone was eating meat everyone understood the importance of eating meat so that didn't really come up but now you have more vegans and vegetarians and the rates of autism are going up and that and now you're starting to see that 30% of the population that really does require ire carnitine and they not getting enough of it in their diet or they're eating a whole bunch of carbohydrates and that's damaging uh how their brain works as well it's very very uh damaging to people with Autism to eat carbohydrates at all I had a a person on my podcast and her son she said that he was a nonverbal autistic only when eating carbohydrates and so they had him him on a a non-carbohydrate diet basically a carnivore diet and he was doing really really well and then you go over to the grandparents house and Grandparents were like oh that's stupid we'll give him cookies and cake and you'll buy his love basically with with drugs that's what the sugar is it's a drug it gives a dopam respons Addiction Center to your brain Just Like Cocaine heroin and meth it is a drug and kid would come back he wouldn't be able to speak for three days right until they were able to get this stuff away from him and uh now having been on a carnivore diet for a year he's tested into the gifted programs at school after being a non-verbal autistic now he's in the gifted programs so that I mean that right there I mean there's there's really nothing greater than that I mean we're destroying children's lives and Futures you know just just by by feeding them this process crap and not giving them what their body and their brains need so you know I'm sorry it's sort of a long-winded explanation but there's a lot there and I I obviously feel strongly about this but this is this is one of the most important things that I think that we can do in our lives is eat properly and eat and get our kids to eat properly hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia Stockman Stakes who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed tood door something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as 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question I'm 49 years old I've been on conob for almost four years now um had some blood work recently that of course shows high LDL um and my doctor is kind of pushing STS of course um HDL is good obviously triglycerides are low um I've been pouring through the literature and I can't really I've heard before that hey you only have to worry about you know small dense LDL versus the you know larger LDL one of them is bad if this one's lower you're okay but I've been looking to the literature and not really finding anything that kind of convinces me that that's kind of you know known or proven um in your mind um what are your thoughts on the LDL small dance versus high and is it conclusive now that that's the case or kind of we don't know just yet I haven't seen whole lot in literature well what's convincing to me and I you know I did a I did a lecture on this just called know the truth about cholesterol and heart disease uh what's What's um you know clear to me is that LDL was never a problem in the first place it was complete con and so all of those studies that suggested that LDL was a problem or cholesterol was a problem at all were bought and paid for that's published in the peer-reviewed literature it's published in the peer-reviewed literature that the Framingham study was misrepresented that the actual study showed that lower cholesterol equaled more heart attacks and strokes there was a study with 11 million people one of the largest studies ever done in the world showing that people with higher LDL any kind of LDL small dense large buoyant whatever there's over 100 different kinds of LDL in the first place right and so you know just saying LDL means nothing right but in this study doesn't matter what kind of LDL they had people that had higher LDL cholesterol lower all cause mortality what does that mean they live longer you have more LDL you live live longer on average with 11 million people so you have a study say oh W you know 200 people and this that who gives a [ __ ] 11 million trumps that right you live longer if you have more LDL cholesterol and your small dense LDL what is that where does that come from that comes from eating sugar eating carbs eating eating drinking alcohol and Seed oils you damage your large buoyant LDL that that damages um and glyc hates them oxid oxidizes them and they get damaged you rip off your Apple B 100 your liver can't recognize them anymore you can't they can't they don't function properly so yeah can those be used in in an abnormal way sure you know how you don't have those don't eat carbs don't eat sugar don't eat drink alcohol don't have uh seed oils or some people that can still sort of get that anyway but that's that's where that HDL to triglyceride ratio comes into because it U it's sort of a specialized test to get your particulates looked at to see what kind of LDL you have um and so but but a good surrogate of that is if your triglycerides are low you're very it's it's very unlikely that you have the bad kind of LDL right and if you have maybe even not all that low triglyceride but your HDL is high very low likelihood that you have those those sdldl those pattern B type of LDL and maybe those are a bit equivocal you look at the ratio and they like okay well that actually is a good ratio so that's what that's what you look at it's just a surrogate for doing a further test looking at what kind of LDL you have now the large Bo LDL are not even Associated any study that I know of they're not really even associated with with heart disease um and a lot of these studies are showing an inverse relationship the lower your LDL cholesterol goes the higher your heart attack heart disease stroke rate goes right um that's what I see and so but either way you know the large buoyant ones are healthy that they they are vital for your body Statin lower those statins don't lower the sdldl they don't lower all the damaged glycated oxidized um you know ones that that can't be used properly by your body they don't lower cholesterol they stop your body from making cholesterol your body has to make cholesterol because every single cell in your body is cholesterol right the cell membranes are sacking around the cell is cholesterol your brain is 20% cholesterol the axons are melinated with cholesterol your your bile is made out of cholesterol all of your hormones are made out of cholesterol vitamin D is made out of cholesterol testosterone estrogen progestogens cortisol all of these things are made out of cholesterol and what statins do is stop your body from making that cholesterol which is used in every single part of your body and causes massive massive massive side effects there's a book uh by a cardiologist in the UK called a statin-free life and he goes through a lot of the literature and D saying this is complete [ __ ] you know statens are the are the biggest Money Maker for the drug companies in history and they're and they want more and more people on it at a lower and lower age because you're you're on it for the rest of your life right you know just like oh okay go on this antibiotic for a week and you'll be fine go on the Statin for a month and you'll be fine no you go on the Statin for the rest of your life you just do that now right and you have all these side effects and problems and things like that so you know and and and what does the literature say if you have had a heart attack and you go on a Statin um how long does this extend your life okay five years five months five days if you've been on it for more than five years it will extend your life five days and probably give you Alzheimer's in the bargain right um if you have not had a heart attack on average it'll extend your life three days okay again probably with Alzheimer's and so you know how is that a good trade-off you know there there there are very misleading statistics sta statistics in general are misleading you know this is right Mark Twain said there are three kinds of Lies there's lies there damn lies and there are statistics right and so some of the the statistics that like lipor put out there's like a bill there's like a billboard ad you know for a while of like this lady just going yeah like that with a patient the doctor standing it's like oh you know you know Aubrey is so happy because she just reduced her cardio know um her heart disease risk by 46% blah blah blah blah blah where's that 46% come from you know that's not absolute risk it's relative risk so her her risk was like less than 1% anyway and that reduced that down by less than 0.4% and so they said oh look at that 46% like no it damn well isn't you know it's a fraction of a percent right so you know that's that's how these things are are are done misleadingly and is becoming more and more accepted even in the people that still push statins that statins do not reduce your risk of heart disease or stroke by five days um by lowering cholesterol that that is not what's doing it it's not the cholesterol lowering that is the pro that is the benefit they actually have a sort of an anti-inflammatory effect sort of like aspirin heart attacks come from clots Strokes come from clots by and large you can have a bleed but you know you have damage to the lining of your of your artery wall that forms a clot that forms scarring that starts to thicken you get atherosclerosis and it's actually showing some of these atherosclerotic plaques are actually from uh like trans fats you we know that those are bad you cook with cooking oil with vegetable oil they turn into trans fats like 30% get turn about 30% trans fats okay plant sterols which are like mimic the cholesterol that we would make normally those get used as cholesterol all throughout your body but they're not as good it's like it's like building a building with you know shitty concrete it's like it just falls apart so these things aren't as good your body doesn't like it and your body just deposits it it's like with the transf fats trans fats don't exist in nature anywhere and so our body is just like the hell is this it's having some sort of you know um properties that we can get behind but you know you know we don't know what this is so they just like they just stuff it places and it's you our arteries for some damn reason we don't know why same thing with with plant stero so there was actually a study looking at uh aortic uh aneurysms and plaques and there and actually found High deposition of these plant steriles not our cholesterol the plant cholesterols because bodies can't use it right so you know the idea that your cholesterol is a problem first of all is not born out by the literature you know and you you have if you have all all of these things based on the prime that the Framingham study was real that the Seven Nations studies was real that the USDA declaration saying that cholesterol caused heart disease that all these things were real and now it's all about just lowering cholesterol because that's what it is now you know but then studies in the last decade they say like okay if you do lower cholesterol what happens do you actually get less heart attacks no actually you get more heart attacks you get more Strokes that's with randomized control trials Inhumans with tens of thousands of people there are three different rcts some of them were done at the time in the in the back in the 70s by Anil Keys U the Minnesota uh coronary study that was buried for decades because it showed the opposite of what he wanted it to right there's a couple of those and um you know one uh one was uncovered just in the last 10 years by the guy's son you know and he's a he's a cardiologist and he just found in his dad's papers like in the basement this massive study with tens of thousands of people randomized control trial where they gave them unsaturated fats and lowered their LDL cholesterol and found that people started dropping off like crazy of heart attacks and strokes and so they just buried it they never published it so his son published it 40 years later not anel Keys someone else but um you know that's that's the level of corruption we're dealing with so you know if you're if you're if you see that and so this is a false premise that colesterol was never an issue you just have to start over you have just have to throw that away and you have to start over when the studies subsequently are showing the exact opposite you lower your cholesterol you die way more often of heart attack Strokes or or other things increases your all cause mortality so to me I literally just don't test cholesterol unless someone just like really wants to check it and was like okay well I'll show you your htl is going to go up your triglyceride is going to go down I couldn't care less about your LDL unless it's too low I want it up right and so you know to me cholesterol is never the issue and statins certainly aren't the answer because they don't they don't lower the the kind of cholesterol you want to get rid of anyway sdldl large Bor LDL do not increase your risk in fact they protect you from from heart disease and and cancer and infectious disease and all these sorts of things just LDL in general does but just normal LDL even in in in studies that still show maybe an increased correlation or something like that it's very little sdldl but pattern B is like a 70% increase risk Association right so like 1.7 times increased risk of heart disease or Strokes cardiovascular disease atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease but metabolic syndrome is 600% increased risk so a 6X increased risk and diabetes is a 1,000% increase risk or 10x smoking is around the same so you know even the STL I'm just not getting out of bed for that I'm gonna I'm going to address the metabolic disease I'm going to address the diabetes I'm going to address the smoking and the alcohol th those are going to get more bang for your buck and those are actually you know very well established uh being connected to um to heart disease and the things that are going to cause metabolic syndrome and cause diabetes are also going to cause the L sdldl so you address the metabolic issue and and the rest of it takes care of itself got it thank you for that if you were to if I were to sent some papers to my doctor like can you put me to like that 11 that 11 million person study in jamama or is it somewhere else let take a look I've got on my phone um you know I have I have that um you know that one the the talk I do on on my YouTube channel just um called uh you know the truth about cholesterol and heart disease or heart disease and cholesterol and that that has a lot of links it doesn't have all of them I don't know if it has that one probably does though but it has a lot of them um if you wanted to um you could even uh email it to me and I'll for it to him for you if you don't see it right there yeah so yeah it's it's called you know lack of Association or in yeah lack it's in the bmj so the British medical journal so it's one of the top top journals and um and the title is called lack of an association or an inverse association between low density lipoprotein cholesterol and mortality in the elderly a systematic review so this goes through you know systematic review of all the different literature and all that sort of stuff and so people over the age of 60 the higher your LDL cholesterol longer you live less likely you are to have Alzheimer's Parkinson's um Strokes dementia things like that thank you so much yeah no worries we're we're debating whether it's chaffy or chaffie CH chaffy yeah so yeah hey Dr chaffy um fantastic presentation very impressed with your knowledge and and way you present I've done a lot of public speaking myself and I'm very very impressed I had a super quick question um uh with this carnivore diet which I've been hearing a lot about and studying and I'm basically convinced that that's what I'm going to do from now your presentation was so uh effective and inspirational to me but you know when we talk about this carnivore diet there's a lot of focus on red meat what is your feeling about chicken turkey um I know fish has a lot of bad W right now because of um you know all the Mercury and the pollution and the bio accumulation and stuff but but I you know when I hear about the carnivore diet I don't hear a lot of people talking about chicken or turkey does does chicken and turkey poultry I guess I should call it does that have a a place in the carnivore diet or you just kind of really advocating and focusing on on more red meat any meat's fine so just any animal that you care to trap kill and eat is should be fine but you know it does matter what the the animal ate itself so the the reason that ruminant animals are are you know largely sought after uh in a carnivore diet is because of the rumin you know they they just have uh you know the more complicated digestive system that they can break down things that that they aren't designed to eat either right so uh they've even shown you like Roundup you know the glyp state you know getting into all the crops and everything like that and this you know likely causing a lot of problems as well through again toxic exposure you know that is a something you get rid of you know get away from when you when you stop eating plants but then people say well you know the animals being fed that so they're actually concentrating it just like you know the fish going up the the food chain uh would concentrate Mercury say which is also not really proven or um uh you know it's sort of a theoretical but you know the Japanese you just butload of seafood they don't they're not getting like mercury poisoning and all that sort of stuff and um you know that that we would expect to see if they were eating that amount so I I I'm really doubtful that that's um that's actually a thing but you know what they're saying with the glyphosate but that's it's actually not not true that you don't you don't get a hug huge concentration but it can get through in the monogastrics ones with like singular stomach like a a um a pig or chicken or even fish so like farmed fish is a bad idea because they give them just wheat pellet what what [ __ ] fish eats wheat you know I mean how stupid is that and so you know a farm tilapia or whatever you know it's just it's just garbage and so they don't have the Omega-3s they have tons of Omega sixes Omega sixes largely come from these seed oils these plant oils and this lenic acid and things like that um that's where that comes from and so you feed that to the animals they can't process it you can't use Omega sixes as energy so they don't like burn it it's just it's fat but it's not it's not accessible you say like oh it's a calories a calories a calorie well that's stupid because Omega 6 is a fat so it should have nine calories per gram kilo calories per gram uh and yet it's not you cannot use that for fuel you cannot use that as energy so that's dumb you know these things are are complex organic MO ules that have complex chemical interactions in your body every single carbohydrate reacts differently in your body every single amino acid reacts differently in body every single fatty acid reacts differently in your body right you know Omega 6 and Omega-3s are they're almost identical molecules they just have a a switch on on where their bond is in in you know one carbon group or another it completely changes their their um their uh uh chemical properties right nearly identical in their in the the atoms that they have and the calories that they have if you were to burn them completely different chemical interactions in your body and so you can ignore that anyone who says calories in calories out just ignore everything they ever say after that for the rest of their life it's just not it's not worth wasting your time and your and your mental energy um so but the reason the ruminants are so good is because they they can actually get rid of these things so if a cow's just eating grass that's the best right because it's going to be as healthy as it can be and it's it's meat is going to be healthier for you so regeneratively raised grass-fed and finished cow has up four to five times the amount of macronutrient or micronutrients you know vitamins and minerals and things like that then like you know Safeway beef would have but Safeway beef is still going to be better than anything else on Earth because they're actually a they're still very very nutritious and they can filter out a lot of this crap so there's a study that just came out recently actually saying that like hey actually ruminant animals can actually get rid of glyphosate so even if they're they're being fed Roundup covered grain it doesn't get into the meat so you're on that point real quick sorry to interrupt but just on that point if people are eating if they can't you know afford quote unquote you know grass-fed ruminant meat and they're just gra you know Safeway meat that's still a better option than than the the alternative of basically any alternative yeah so I think of it I think of it sort of as as you know the Olympics right so you know person who got silver medal at the Olympics right well they lost to gold right but they also beat everyone else on earth right so it's not too bad you get silver at the Olympics you you're not going to get you know kicked out of your parents house you know it's like it's fine you know you'll get a gold star you'll get a silver medal and a gold star on the fridge right so it's uh it's fine you know the majority of what I eat is just Costco beef you know because that's what I have access to um it's actually a bit of a pain in the ass to actually get like you know grass-fed and finished beef out here is way more expensive it's super lean it's in Australia it's already hyper lean they really took that to heart of of the whole no fat sort of thing so you like a ribey quote unquote ribeye they cut the fat cap off and all the other things so it's just like it's a piece of sirloin and that you pay you know you know $20 a pound for it's like uh no that's not what a riy is and um you know so the grass finish stuff is like even more lean and even more trimmed and even more expensive so it's just sort of a waste of time but uh in America what I did is I just found there's there's different websites you can find uh ranchers that only do uh grass-fed throughout the entire life of the cow and then you you just get that and I just I would just buy a whole cow and you buy an older cow that's going to actually have a higher concentration of nutrients they're it's actually even better for you and it it tastes that way it has a much stronger beef Flavor now some people say oh that's a very strong T I thought it was amazing I I didn't think it was too strong at all and like in Italy like in Tuscany and things like that they eat cows that are between 10 and 15 years old you know they look at the rest of the West and me like you guys are eating ve you're just losing all the flavor and people think well it gets too tough after that no it doesn't you know the connective tissue like the gristle and the like the tendons and things like that that turns into like whale bone I don't know how that stuff gets so like rock hard but it's also easy just to get it out you're not chewing on gristle all day just taking out this chunk of extra bone almost and and then just eating the fat fat and the meat so the the meat and the fat are are nice and soft it's is the gristle that's that's that's harder um you just take it out it's easier to avoid actually but the flavor is absolutely Next Level and it's cheaper as well so if you buy an older cow so I I went to a Rancher and you just called directly if you go through a butcher they'll they'll double whatever they're doing so you you'll you know he'll he'll mark it up 100% just by doing the leg work for you it's really easy you call the ranch say this is what I'm looking for you can buy you know a young steer if you want I went for the older cow I said what's the oldest cow that you have and they said well we're actually going to call a 10-year-old cow from the herd normally we just grind it up into Hamburger because there's no market for it and so you know I was just like well I'd like that and I'd like that cut up into steak you have to tell them to keep the fat on so don't trim any fat I want all the fat any fat that you trim I want that in a bag um because there there's less marbling there's really no marbling in the grass-fed cow but there there's actually quite a lot of subcutaneous fat there's still plenty of fat it's just subcutaneous so it's just around the on the surface uh and around the organs as opposed to uh in the muscle itself so you want to get as much as you can and it was cheaper you know because he you know was was basically making almost nothing off the older cows because it just went into hamburger and um and that wasn't very valuable and so I was so he was making more money and I was getting it cheaper as well so I end up I think it was like $2 a pound something like that for an entire cow was the best meat I've ever had in my entire life and like I I ate this stuff and I just felt like supercharged for the rest of the day and so that's something you can do in America can't do it here so I've just been eating Costco beef and perfectly fine awesome all right one more question I think here oh I just had a question about uh so when I eat meat then I need some kind of fiber to go along with it what do you recommend uh no you you actually don't want fiber so you know why why does fiber go out why do they say oh you want that to bulk up your stools well why is it bulking up your stools because you can't actually absorb it you can't break it down you can't digest it so it is it is by Design something we are not supposed to eat millions of years ago we could do it because our appendix wasn't the size of your pinky it was four feet long was called a seeum and that's where fiber would pack into and break down we cultivate certain bacteria in in that part of our gut that would um uh that would actually eat the fiber so it's actually no vertebrate animal can can break down fiber so even herbivores they cannot break down fiber it's the bacteria in their gut that that eats the fiber and as a byproduct of of you know eating the fiber they actually produce short chain fatty acids which actually 100% saturated so even cows and gorillas that are just eating you know grass and green leaves they're getting about 70% of their calories from saturated fat because they eat the fiber but they absorb fat and protein because the bacteria are producing fat from eating the fiber and they also bacteria die off and they absorb that as protein so you know they're eating grass and leaves but what they're absorbing is fat and protein so that's what you need as well you need fat and protein all animals need fat and protein and we can't get that from plant material we can't get that from fiber you do not need fiber I have a video that just is called you don't need fiber and so you you can watch that you know the studies that that suggest that eating more fiber is good again these are all coming from the sday Adventist they're all coming from you know you know the Food and Drug companies and things like that and people that have you know serious agendas and but you you have to just sort of have some common sense when you're reading these things you never read the the conclusion you read the study and and make your own conclusion right and so what they did is they you know they didn't compare like for like they said when when people eat more fiber you know they have different improvements in their health or something like that okay what does that mean right most people in America are if they're not eating a lot of fiber is because they're eating highly processed Ultra processed diet because you can't put fiber in ultr processed foods that's why you know the bun at McDonald's will never have fiber in it because they have to freeze it and ship it and do all that sort of stuff fiber doesn't freeze well it make it messes up the texture and so you know you really can't do that so if you're not eating a lot of fiber well I'm not eating any fiber right but that's not who is the majority of people not eating fiber it's the people that are eating ultr processed foods so you go from eating ultr processed foods doesn't really have much fiber you start eating more fiber what does that mean you're eating more Whole Foods right so you're getting away from eating processed foods and you get this benefit it's not even that big of a benefit but it's a benefit right but it's but you know it's always compared to what so any Economist you know you say something and they'll all say Okay compared to what compar to what compared to what you need to ask that as well we need fiber fiber you know these studies show that you know people do better with fiber compared to what compared to people eating processed food diet so is it the fiber improving their health or is it getting away from processed food it's getting away from processed food because there are studies that are actually Interventional in nature that actually show that when and it was a smaller study but it's really the only one that exists um there was like 75 people or something like that all symptomatic all had sort of like you know digestive issues discomfort and all these sorts of things and they were eating certain amount of fiber and so they had swim up into four groups one group just kept eating the same amount of fiber another group increased the amount of fiber one group group reduced the amount of fiber one group eliminated fiber and when you know it shuffled into the exact opposite of what they would say what right so people that ate the same stayed the same people who ate more fiber got worse people who ate less fiber got better people who eliminated fiber complete resolution of all their symptoms okay there's a study with over 2,000 people so a bigger study doing colonoscopy so you know camera looking up up the rectum into the colon and uh looking for diverticulosis which is colon disease right and so this is very serious you can get disinfected diverticulitis you can die and as we get older you know the risk of this goes up basically because we're exposing ourselves to something that's breaking it down and damaging it right so like what is what is that thing nor previously was thought to be uh from constipation in fact most people will tell you oh that's from constipation getting constipated it's all blocked up it's really hard pushing things through that's actually not true constipation was not even associated with the development of diverticulo diverticulosis not even Associated right so if you have an association right you have something always increased 70% or 17% Association or something like that that does not prove causation you cannot prove causation from Association right because there's an association between ice cream sales and drownings right okay so that means that you know maybe someone's getting cramps or blah blah blah and shark attacks as well so okay what the hell's happening right you know well maybe it's an Association because when the temperature rises it gets hot people buy more ice cream they go swimming more they drown more they get attacked by sharks more right so it's the heat that is the common the commonality between all those not that ice cream you know ice cream fed children taste better than sharks you know maybe they do I don't know but um you know but um that's an association but if you if you have a lack of Association so you can never prove causation from Association but if you have a lack of Association that proves there is no causation right because you can't have causation if there's not even an association right and so there's no association between constipation and diverticulosis you know according to that study with 2,000 people so it's pretty good study meat was not associated fat was not associated constipation was not associated what was Associated more fiber was associated strongly Associated like a 600% increased risk more fiber you at more likely you were to get diverticulosis more bow motions you had a week more than 15 bow motions a week again 700% or so increased risk of developing diverticulosis right so you eat a whole bunch of fiber you can't digest it your body has to get rid of it it's in the name it's waste it's wasteful you didn't need it in the first place right your body has to get rid of it and so you're going to have to go to the bathroom more and more and more because you just have a whole bunch of crap in your body right and it just has to go out right where you don't eat that fiber you absorb 98 99% of the meat that you eat you barely go at all right and U and that's and that's by Design you will won't be constipated constipation is not is not about frequency it's not about how often you go it's about the consistency right so it's thing called the Bristol stool chart where you see like the different types of things basically want this thing to be sort of soft and and you know mushy sort of thing but you know if it gets uh dry hard craggly and and cramped that's because you're not eating enough fat fat actually is what keeps your your bowels moving and your digestion going and keeping that stool soft because your body has a limited capacity to absorb fat so there's no such thing as overeating fat you say okay well Fat's not that bad but you don't want to eat too much there's no such thing you cannot eat too much it's not physiologically possible right well I mean it is it's really hard to do but you really can't absorb fat without bile so our livers make a limited amount of bile I think that's because it wants that amount of fat back in return so it's making your body doesn't just do things randomly you know it's not going to just make bile which is expensive energy dependent process you know if it's just you know just just for the hell of it right no it wants it wants a return on its investment that's why you have four organs all working in concert just to absorb fat liver is making bile gallbladder storing it pancreas is making enzymes to break it down in fact five stomachs sort of starts to break down process and the small intestine absorbs it right so you have five organs all working together just to absorb fat that's how important fat is but without bile you don't you don't absorb fat you know after bile uh runs out um there's really only like 10 15% of of fat that you can absorb all the rest of it goes out right it's usually like medium chain fatty acids it won't even absorb all of them so that spillover is what keeps your stool soft and so you know if you're just going once a week that's not constipation as long as it's soft but if it's dry and hard that's constipation and that's just because you're not eating enough fat so you have to eat enough fat you have you want to sort of shoot for about gram for gram gram of fat to gram of protein right and then people people can adjust from there but that's that's generally around that's about 70% calories from fat calories again are useless but that but putting it in in metrics that we we uh you know understand gram for gram is about 70% calories from fat people tend to need around that but you know depending on you know if you're getting constipated you need to increase the fat right if you get diarrhea then maybe you don't need to eat as much fat because you're you're you're not absorbing a lot more uh fat than your body body can use now if you're still drinking coffee that's a LAX of it if you drink tea that's a LAX of it if you're using artificial sweeteners like arrol Stevia uh Xylitol those sorts of horrible things they're first of all poison but they're also laxatives okay and when you get rid of fiber now you don't have this like traffic jam that you're trying to sort of push through you know a bottleneck um now it's just sort of open lanes and you're just flooding the stuff down so you're G to have a much more dramatic effect so if you're drinking coffee drinking tea um using artificial sweeteners don't be surprised if you get diarrhea okay if you're still getting if you're not doing any of those things but you're still getting diarrhea well that might be that you're you know eating more fat than your body can absorb a lot more fat than your body can absorb the other side of it is that if you're eating so little fat that you're actually getting very constipated you get sort of like a pseudoobstruction the LI the the solids aren't really going to come out very well so the liquid's going to pour around it and then you'll have liquid liquid diarrhea and that's uh called overflow diarrhea or spous diarrhea and that shows where like most of the time you have like really watery stools but every now and then you have a really dry hard painful difficult to pass constipated stool and then you go back to the liquid stool so that that's because you're eating so little fat that your body getting extremely constipated so you need to eat a lot more fat after that hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast and if you're on YouTube then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I have a new video out which should be every week if not more and if you can share this with your friends that would help me get the word out and let me know that you like what I'm doing thanks again guys