Dan Magar, a 29-year-old trainer and entrepreneur from Slovakia, shares his transformative journey from suffering severe digestive issues on a high-vegetable bodybuilding diet to discovering the carnivore diet as a solution. His story becomes even more compelling when he details how his wife completely reversed her Crohn's disease within 2-3 months of adopting carnivore eating, eliminating painful flare-ups and achieving CRP inflammation markers below 0.5 mg - levels so low they could barely be detected.
Magar reveals his unique calorie cycling approach for weight loss that prevents metabolic slowdown, combining high-calorie days with low-calorie days and strategic 48-hour fasts. This method helped achieve remarkable results including a 238-pound weight loss (from 558 to 320 pounds) in under 10 months for one client. He emphasizes that forcing yourself to eat massive quantities isn't necessary - the body naturally regulates intake when eating fatty meat, and overconsumption can actually stall weight loss progress.
Dr. Anthony Chaffee reinforces the biological argument for carnivore eating, explaining how plants contain approximately one million different defense chemicals designed to prevent consumption. He discusses the stark contrast between pre-agricultural and post-agricultural human health, noting that populations eating exclusively meat were historically the tallest and healthiest, while agricultural societies showed immediate reductions in height, brain size, and overall health markers. The conversation emphasizes that real-world results matter more than studies, especially when people eating exclusively meat see chronic diseases disappear.
Key Takeaways
- Eliminate plant foods completely - even "healthy" vegetables like broccoli can cause severe digestive issues, as demonstrated by Magar's experience with 8 cups of vegetables daily causing chronic bloating and cramping
- Use calorie cycling for sustainable weight loss - alternate between high-calorie feeding days and low-calorie deficit days, with one 48-hour fast per week maximum to prevent metabolic shutdown
- Stop eating when meat stops tasting good - your body naturally regulates intake on carnivore diet, and forcing yourself to consume 6,000+ calories daily leads to unwanted weight gain
- Carnivore diet can reverse autoimmune diseases - Crohn's disease symptoms completely disappeared within 2-3 months, with CRP inflammation markers dropping to undetectable levels below 0.5 mg
- Support local farmers for higher quality and lower prices - grass-fed, grass-finished beef directly from ranchers often costs less than supermarket meat while providing superior nutrition
- Avoid "keto" processed foods containing seed oils and artificial sweeteners - these ultra-processed products maintain the same harmful ingredients as conventional junk food
- Take diet breaks during weight loss plateaus - feed the body sufficient calories for 2-3 weeks before returning to deficit to restore metabolic function
- Human biology is designed for 120-year lifespan - eating species-appropriate diet (meat only) allows the body to function according to its genetic programming without disease
- Dan Magar's Journey from Digestive Issues to Carnivore Success
- Discovering Carnivore Diet Through Dr. Shawn Baker
- Carnivore Diet Transforms Wife's Crohn's Disease
- Medical Professional Dismisses Diet for Autoimmune Disease
- Calorie Cycling Strategy for Carnivore Weight Loss
- 6000 Calories Per Day Carnivore Experiment Results
- 558 to 320 Pounds: Bariatric Patient Success Story
- Processed Keto Products and Seed Oil Problems
- Finding High-Quality Local Grass-Fed Beef Sources
- Using Carnivore Diet to Lower White Blood Cell Count in Leukemia
- Pre-Agricultural vs Post-Agricultural Human Health Evidence
- Modern Agriculture vs Ancient Foods and Human Longevity
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I was educating myself through studies sometimes and and it almost seemed like some of these studies were already goal oriented it seems like um there was already a result planned ahead so the study was constructed around the result instead of concluding what's actually happening and I would say that was kind of confusing in the beginning because I quickly realized that I can find a study that proves everything study doesn't matter if it disagrees with reality and the reality is when people exclusively eat meat all these problems of chronic disease and illness go away welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically okay hello everyone uh thank you for joining another another episode of the plant-free MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest uh Mr Dan magar am I pronouncing that right yeah perfect just make sure and he's a a a well he does a lot of sort of things he's a trainer he's a he's a entrepreneur and he's has a very very unique story uh about helping people with um diet nutrition and lifestyle So Daniel thank you very much for joining it's a pleasure to have you thank you so much Tony for having me on your podcast I really appreciate the yeah you're very welcome so uh for those who haven't come across you before can you tell us a little about yourself and U and how you got here so I'm originally from Europe Slovakia and uh it's a border country with Poland uh CED Republic Hungary Ukraine and Austria and I came here when I was 19 years old I'm 29 right now about to be 30 and two months and um my my dream was always to be somewhere in a fitness field and a Fitness industry so I moved to America and I was training a lot at Lifetime Fitness and I was just trying to get more educated on nutrition and compete in bodybuilding and NPC shows um and I did so I hired a coach and a trainer and I kind of got into um some sort of nutrition and some some sort of discipline with food and exercise and um at that time a lot of cardio and I competed a couple times and I got to a point where in 20 15 and 16 I was consuming a lot of vegetables a lot of veggies and like I'm talking like two cups of broccoli with each meal like four or five times a day plus some protein shapes and I I was suffering from tremendous digestive issues but I couldn't figure out why because obviously it couldn't been greens because those are supposed to be the best right like they are supposed to cure the system not in any way harm or create a bloating so that was completely out of my out of the question at that time and now it cannot be veggies it's probably too much rice so I dropped the rice just eat veggies and some meat lean chicken or lean lean turkey and the problem still didn't go away I'm like okay clearly it wasn't the rice it's probably the oatmeal or protein shade or maybe different brand of protein shade I was trying to help myself really couldn't get um any Improvement on my digestive system and it got to a point where when I was a personal trainer I would literally have to squat down and um you know try my clients in a squad down position because the bloating and and cramps in my stomach were so severe and when I was asking for help or looking for advice nobody really knew what's going on and oftentimes I was told that hey you need more fiber and your dad I'm like how much more fiber can I eat man like all I do is I eat I eat fiber freaking all day long like eight cups a day of of veggies like you can't get beyond that plus it didn't really taste good wasn't appetizing so I was really forcing myself to do so but at that time I didn't really have understanding I have today and then I saw Dr sha Baker um I think his H first podcast was with Joe Rogan or or London re I'm not sure but um I saw that podcast when he was talking about the benefits of of meat-based diet and I just couldn't believe what I hear because at that time um I was I was following a completely different diet different routine and I couldn't understand like how can you wake up and not have oatmeal and protein shake like it doesn't really makes sense so I was educating myself on a topic and I was watching more and more videos uh which I find to be one of the best ways for me to learn it's really the podcasts and the videos and and I'm more audio guy than reading guy I read a couple books too but um you know your podcast helped a lot to clarify a lot of things too um as I was listening and then from 2016 to 2019 I was really just keeping an eye on Carnivore died and I saw it growing and growing and growing a lot more people got interested in it there was a lot more talk about it um and then 2020 I I pulled the trigger and I started following actually actually end of 2019 I pulled the trigger and I started following the carnival died myself and I experienced tremendous benefits and all the digestive issues that I've ever had went away um and I I felt a lot better my energy was a lot more stable it wasn't up and down anymore um and uh then I introduced this diet to my wife because she had thron's disease and at that time there was enough talk about autoimmune disease and state of remission with the autoimmune disease on Carnivore diet so I'm like you know what let's give it a shout because when I first met her she would be suffering from what we call the Crone attacks uh which were really bad she would just spend three four days in bed in cramps and pain and and there would be a lot of vomiting and blood and all the bad stuff that you can imagine and it's very painful because I couldn't help her and we went to the doctor with and he said that she has all rights to feel like that because she has throwns so we're like okay so this is what it is for rest of her life and they're like well pretty pretty much you can do nothing about it um and she was taking hum 40 mcgs every other week so I'm like this cannot be her Destiny this cannot be her life like this is very miserable because it would happen at least once a month and then it drains you right three four days until you get all the water back all the electrolytes all the nutrients like you're exhausted after those three days of not being able to move and and being be in such a pain so um she started carnivore diet and uh within two or three months none of those issues uh came back none of them and then we went to to get a blood work and her CRP was below uh 1 milligram actually at 0.5 milligram um it's crazy because this test actually uh came at like 04 and uh some of the tests that we took can't even detect less CRP than than half a milligram so we were like wow like this is very very low like the inflammation in the body is super low everybody was so happy and everybody was so proud even gastrologist was asking like uh how did you she get to this state we were excited to tell him like um hey we went we we got to the state of remission through diet like she just changed her diet and he was not excited about it anymore um was was that was kind of weird you know we were like so happy and excited we didn't suffer anymore and when we shared uh all the information about nutrition we were told that there's no data that shows that nutrition has any effect on autoimmune disease I'm like well I guess that's where our conversation stopped and uh we we we we stopped uh talking to him about it and we actually ended up switching to gastrologist too um because I didn't really like his feedback um it was not it was not what we experienced we experienced the complete opposite and ever since then um she's literally the best she ever ever been no Throne attacks for past four years uh no Huma and the blood work is always better and better and better like um she goes to to get a blood work done and you would never ever detect that there's any autoimmune disease in the body like like her cholesterol um surprisingly even that she consumes high amounts of of saturated fat her cholesterol is still within the range I am a little a little bit above I would say five maybe 10% above what's the recommended by fora industry but but she's within the range or triglycerides are down to uh 45 her HDL is about 1.1 so that that signals the great insulin sensitivity and uh uh her her entire metabolic panel and CBC and lipid panel vitamins and minerals electrolytes uh anabolic hormones are are great so I was just very happy that it helped her because I was only suffering from digestive issues but uh it was really affecting her life and I was training people through this whole time and I started digging more into the carnivore diet I'm like if I can help myself and my wife how how many more people can I help this way so then I started talking about it publicly in Europe and in the United States too and uh people people were really interested so they start started signing up for more more and more coaching programs and I was achieving a faster and better results and we also combined uh fasting into the mix and on certain days you would fast on certain days you wouldn't and I came up with the little strategy that I use turns out to be pretty effective um and and it has high success rate um I I started I started putting my people when the weight loss is the goal only when the weight loss is the goal actually um on certain days of more food and certain days of less food and I call it calorie Cy um so what happens this pretty much prevents your metabolism from completely shutting down because somewhere on the around let's say you have 100 pounds to lose I've done these Transformations many many times if you go deficit only you might hit about 30 to 40 pound weight loss and then the remaining 60 just won't come up and you're grinding and you're working hard and you're working hard and you're just keeping the body weight and and there's one day where you eat an extra steak and you up two pounds so it happened many times and I'm like okay there's something wrong here and it uh it had actually nothing to do with with the diet itself it was actually about the energy consumption so I found out okay let me let me feed these people a little bit more a couple days a week and a little bit less so other days a week and that pretty much prevented the plateau so people were steadily losing weight and the 100 pound weight losses became easier and easier now people would get stuck let's say at 60 pound Mark and the body wouldn't cooperate anymore they already consuming two high calorie days and do they do four low calorie days a week and they do a 48 hour fast so one day a week they don't eat completely anything well that's as intense as I'll go so if they hit the plateau there a lot of people would actually go into a deeper deficit but I do exact opposite we take we take a break from weight loss we start feeding the body for about two to three weeks sufficient amount of energy and um after that after about three weeks we go back in the deficit and the body response is actually very very great people resume their their weight loss just like they did in the beginning and we're averaging about two pounds a week which in my practice two pounds a week if you can deliver that like week after week after week you you're GNA be very very successful um you know I tried a couple things like eat as much beef as possible um it's it's it's a good way to uh put on a lot of muscle I really put on a lot of muscle but I never experienced any benefits for weight loss um I I've seen a lot of talk about it like eats tons and tons of beef um that just wasn't the case with me and plenty of other people where I applied uh this method so I I truly believe that in order for shredding the weight uh it's important to to underc consume calories couple days a week um so the body actually has access to its own stored energy and starts using that up um last time when I was over consuming beef I didn't I didn't like 11 pounds in in less than 10 days you know because I was really pushing that beef and yeah the body just responded I start I put on a lot of muscle strength but then I was like okay well this is not a green card so unlimited calories either like I can't be just pushing butter and beef and eggs you know six 7,000 calories a day not expect not expect any weight gain um so that came from my practical information hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want new nurious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys well it's really interesting um as far as the you know what you just said there when you're saying that pushing beef you were you eating just as much beef as you as you could or what was your stop point so I was trying to hit um there was a topic about 6,000 calories a day um so I wanted to see if that actually if that is actually going to work for me as well um certain people were eating 6,000 calories a day and they they claimed they lost weight um so I wanted to see how does it work as generally I'm a very curious guy and especially in this field I want to know as much as I can so I can help my and serve my clients a lot better A lot more efficiently however um it 6,000 calories a day was just a pure strict weight gin for me and the shot up just like if I was eating anything else you know so that was kind of my thing I'm like okay you don't have to force um the food into your body at all because 6,000 calories I'm 290 and 6,000 calories for me was just insane amount of food like I usually consume about 3,000 calories um if if we're talking about that metric yeah um yeah I would I would find the same thing you know I I always uh tell people don't ever force feed yourself you know when you're when you're just eating meat and fatty meat you our bodies are able to or are better able to calculate how much how much we need in fact what I found is that almost everybody um you know boring a few people that have um serious hormonal uh sort of discrepancies or they on medications such as steroids corticosteroids such as prazone pricone that everybody except those few caveats um will have the ability to just listen to their body and as long as you're eating fatty meat and while while it tastes good it should always be enjoyable as soon as it stops tasting good you you have to stop and I've had I've had patients that um you know would come in after a couple weeks on a carnivore diet how how's it going and they're like I hate it I hate the carnivour diet I hate eating meat I hate doing this I say oh okay you what's going on I just don't enjoy it I just have to force feed myself and all this sort of stuff and I asked him I was like okay well well at first when you eat is it does it taste good does it tastes bad all the time or like when you first start a meal is it okay then and they're like well it actually tastes really good at first but then I get halfway through the plate and it just tastes horrible and it takes me two hours to finish the rest of it and I just point out to them that you know they were finished two hours ago because that when their body was telling them to stop but they were just used to eating larger portions and so yeah I don't I don't think that you need to force feed yourself I actually I think it's a bad idea in fact it was funny i' I've always said that and I I saw some you know you know one of these vegan troll sort of accounts that that go around you know um talking you know trash about about other people and and thinking that they're making huge head way but they had some sort of screenshot of someone else talking on a carnivore uh discussion page on Reddit saying oh I saw Dr chafy say you have to you have to eat so much that it makes you sick and uh makees you want to puke or something like that that's how you know you're getting about I'm like I've never said that in my life and a vegan person was taking this thing from someone that someone said this on some random thread and read it and said oh yeah you know Dr jav says this what an idiot you know I say okay I'm that was probably a vegan troll getting those those things trying to give people misinformation and that was that was their evidence that um you know that I don't that I you know you'll promote this sort of thing so you I'm sorry no no go on how would you approach weight loss uh same way so what I found is very effective is uh just having people eat until it stops tasting good and stopping you know but I've also found like what you found is that if you if you restrict too much and you don't eat enough that you actually stall your weight loss and so I have a lot of patients who have and people that I've sort of helped online that um have got gotten into a weight loss stall um and you start asking them about their eating habits and you know when you finish eating you know it always taste good and they're like oh yeah I could always eat more after my meal it's like okay well you're probably not eating enough and that might not be enough and and so I don't I don't have them count calories I don't have them count macros because everyone's at a different place you know I've had I've had patients that are recovering from you know veganism and anorexia which can be synonymous sometimes it was in this case and they they were eat I swear this was this was a she had a BMI of nine at one point um I had her on my my podcast her name was Claire and she was um you know so she's I don't know like 7080 pounds and she was eating 8,000 calories a day and that's because her body was in such a state of of malnutrition for so many years that it was just hungry for these nutrients and and I agree I mean the calorie metric isn't great so she's but she was eating that much food she's getting that much protein and fat and nutrients because her body was just starved for it literally starved for it and so she was eating yes massive amounts and and she's still very slight but she put on weight she put on muscle she put on bone density and you know she was borderline she had line osteoporosis at 39 and now she's back in normal ranges after a year of resistance training and carnivore diet and so her body just needed needed food really you also had Hall trummer on the podcast right the owner of the batric homes so I have a very great privilege of working with Hall and hisc patients and um we got one of his patients down from 558 down to 320 in less than 10 months wow when when you look at it it's it's well over 200 pounds of a weight loss on cariv diet and then she was able to redeem her movement and a lot of life back yeah um so what I found about weight loss which I think a lot of people would be interested in um you really have to go bring the body up a couple times and in my case then drop the body down in deficit now we we don't really have to use any metric on it with our calories or or matro counter any of that but if you just take the concept it is pretty much Del delivering sufficient amount of calories and food and then you go into a deficiency for a couple days and then you bring the sufficiency back up and then you go back to the deficiency now and my practice that turned out to be very efficient in a long run um deficiency only will cause multiple issues and I feel like deficiency overall brings a lot of stress to the body also too much fasting like fasting over back and forth let's say 48 hours for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks that means that one day you eat the next day you don't one day you eat the next day you don't well um I've done that now everything I'm talking about I tried it myself well when the week three or four hits like you're about to lose your mind mind like you're gonna you're gonna really really struggle you're gonna be stressed out you're gonna be upset and all you think about is food so I truly believe that's not the way either because it takes a very special and strong personality personality to be able to handle that and I believe you don't really have to do such an intensive thing when you're trying to approach the weight loss in a healthy manner so you know they would be like one thing I would recommend is definitely certain days to to consume more food certain days consume less food and the body will figure itself out in a in the long run yeah i' I've seen people use that te uh technique and I've uh that with success I mean I I agree that you know if you're if you're producing the amount of meat that you're or any food that you're eating too much you're just going to suppress your metabolism they have studies with this um you know even Anil Keys you know that that that awesome guy he you know he was doing these sorts of things you know trying to I think it was Anil Kei pretty sure anyway so um yeah it was like the um uh it was like a starvation experiment or something like that and he was basically starving these people very very low uh nutrient intake and and if the whole calories in calories out model was true uh you know some of these people would have ceased to exist you know the amount of weight that they would have lost would have exceeded their their um you know their their body you know habitus right so they they would have lost more weight than they than they had on them and so um that that obviously shows that that a certain amount of calories does not equate to a certain amount of weight in the body it can't and so your body is just slowing down the metabolism it's like some I I sort of use the analogy of someone who's fiscally responsible it's not like you know most governments that you know doing Keynesian economics and blowing out the deficit you we have you're in a deficit and so oh let just just you know run up the deficit like oh no that's that's a bad idea you know when you get your hours cut at work the last thing you want to do is start you know blowing out your credit cards that's going to end badly and so you what you do is you have less less money coming in you have to have less money going out and your body is perfectly fiscally responsible with your with your energy you have less energy coming in you have less nutrition coming in less energy is going out that is that is as simple as this because otherwise you die and so you know we are we are designed and built and purpose built and all animals are as well to survive famines and survive these Harsh Times or else you go extinct and we're not extinct and so obviously we we've made it through uh famines and things like that our ancestors are the ones who have made it through famines um I do know that um you know the some of the doctors I work with um now in in um the practice I'm in would would use like one day of fasting like one day a week you just don't eat you know you eat like two meals a day six days a week and one one day a week you just Don eat and they found that that's very helpful so you have that sort of that dip and then you're coming back and and they use carnivore diet as well now they do they before they were using sort of more classic you know low fat lower intake sort of diet with two meals a day sort of an intermittent fasting approach before they even do before that even had a name they've been doing this for 40 years they just found that that worked um but I do find that um I I find that that you can get very good results with just eating steadily that is interesting having that dip and then up because yeah you're right it probably wouldn't trash the metabolism all that much and so that might accelerate things they have to experiment with that but it's um you know for ease of you know for ease for the patients and things like that you you just tell them says hey just just eat eat what tastes good to you and because sometimes I find it difficult to get them to eat enough in the first place because your hunger signals are so different on a carnivore die they're often undereating anyway and so it's like it's often you're trying to get them to eat more and um and then of course there's the body composition you know you were saying you're putting on muscle and um and so people will have weight loss stalls or maybe they'll slow their weight loss and they like oh what's going on here is just like okay how are your clothes fitting oh actually they're they're much more loose and you do a body composition scan and they've actually lost far more fat than they think and but put on muscle and even bone density a little bit bone density yeah yeah they get stronger they get stronger and Tighter um that's a very common thing now I don't usually switch up the plans until a person comes back to me with about two or three weeks stall um if there's a two or three week stall that's when I'm like okay well it's it's what are we going to reset the metabolism bring it back up to a sufficient amount of food on daily basis for about three weeks without any deficiency or uh we'll see if it needs to switch something up and as you mentioned um some of the doctors that you work with use inter fasting for the whole day once a week well it's it's it's funny coincidence because I do too and I didn't even know um I I literally do that too with my clients so one day a week that's like the most intense protocol I have that's one day a week no food for low calorie days or low days and then two high days and then you don't really go you don't really go beyond that and uh then uh this is a very sustainable weight loss and um I I found I find carnivore diet from all the diets that I ever tried to be the most efficient at pretty much everything the body composition changes the um the the remission with the autoimmune disease you know reducing all the bad symptoms of pretty much everything Crohn's ulcerative colitis then we got um you know of course diabetes and insulin resistance we got arthritis psoriasis I have psoriasis myself it's completely gone on front of our diet people drop the inflammation then they improve the insulin sensitivity they build muscle mass um energy is a lot more stable cognitive Health a lot of benefits in a cognitive Health a lot of people who suffer from depression and anxiety now seems to do a lot better so from all the all the D that are out there I find carnivore to be the most efficient and easiest to easiest to follow as well um you know we we you mentioned calories in calories out before um of course I've done that approach myself uh one thing I I really didn't like with that approach um outside of carnivore dieted is that it really allows you consume a lot of bad food a lot of high fructose concer a lot of foods that are high on starches and all kinds of additives food additives and uh you know trans fats and Seed oils which are completely disastrous for the human body and people don't really eat to supply the body with the nutrients they really eat for the taste and always they they go for the tastiest food out there and that also brings me to another Point um I I was a big fan of keto diet until the industry got so big that I'm not a fan of it anymore because when you when you look at average keto bars and you look at average keto products it's just a mixture of seed oils with ithal or Stevia or any other artificial uh sweetener so they just do the same thing as they do with other Foods they make it taste good with all the seed oils and um substitutes of sugar instead of using the real sugar but at the end of the day it's an ultra processed food that is really not healthy for you so I kind of stopped being a fan of keto diet because of the industry yeah it it's it can you know you can get it very processed as well and that's a bit of a it's sort of a double- Ed short because you know it's it's good that the market is listening it's good that that people are paying attention to what people actually want they want something you know uh in a certain way they don't want to eat a bunch of carbs they don't want to eat a bunch of crap but then they're sort of getting suckered in like you said to the same processed junk with seed oils and artificial sweeteners and things like that which you know it that's sort of been something that I've tried to illust you illustrate with people is that yes carbs I think are a detriment they put your body into a different metabolic State than is optimal for us and uh and that's bad and I think that that's that's something that's good to avoid is you know carb sugar alcohol things like that um for those and other reasons but also that there are more bad things in the world it it's not just like well that has carb so I'm not going to do it but anything else is fair game you know that leaves a lot of open territory and so you know yeah I think a lot of that stuff is is uh detrimental as well and so that's why I try to you know obviously with the plant toxins I try to tell people about but you know the artificial sweeteners I mean that that's I've had to sort of amend my my sort of rules to sort of cover these sorts of things because you know I always tell people it's it's important what not to eat is what to eat and so originally I was saying you know no plants no sugar nothing artificial and that goes for sauce seasonings and drinks as well now I had just s of changed that because I normally say plants because most people consider mushrooms and things like that plants and think them fungus but I've had some people come back like well I've had I've had been having mushrooms because that's not a plant I'm like yeah damn it technically yes okay um but so I say now no no plants or mushrooms or no plants or fungus uh no sugar or any sweeteners and nothing artificial and so I've had to sort of adjust that because you know some people you know sort of sneak those things in and and it can be detrimental you know I I get people asking me you know friends or people that I've you know become friends with online and they're doing carnivore and they're getting good results but then they're saying I'm having this problem I'm having that problem and they're telling me that they're just they're doing carnivore and to me that means they're only eating meat and drinking water and that's it and in fact what that means to them is that they're eating a lot of a lot more meat and a lot less of other things but they still have other things in there yes I seen that a lot yeah and they still have you know energy drinks with artificial sweeteners and things like that and so they're telling me Oh I'm having diarrhea I'm having this I'm having that problem what could be going on what could be this and I'm was just like you're only eating me oh yeah that's it that's it I I eat a whole bunch of sticks and this that and the other and then it comes out you're talking to a few weeks later they're like yeah I'm just having really trouble I can't kick these these energy drinks with artificial sweeteners I'm like that would have been nice to know when I was spent two hours trying to troubleshoot you know there your problems with you because that's causing your diarrhea that's you know artificial sweeteners these things are laxative you know and so you're saying oh even just with New York strips I'm getting diarrhea like what's going on and it's like yeah that's really funny so we tried different things and um and you know they were just they're just taking caffeine with with a arrol like that that's a laxative right and so you they cut that out oh the problem goes away it's like okay so I need that information right and I've had many I've had many conversations about it yeah yeah so it's it's funny to me when when people ask me well that's the thing I just have to sort of tell them like look you know if you're not doing carnivore then you know I can't help you with like you know fixing your carnivore diet because you're not doing a carnivore diet you have all these other things in there as well and until you cut that stuff out like I can't help you first thing to do is cut all that out see how your body reacts yeah so when I started the first carnivore diet um I did encounter some digestive issues in the beginning in form of diarrhea never really had constipation ever but that seem to figure itself out after about 14 days and I truly believe that just the good microbiome had to adapt there's billions of bacteria that have been used to consuming diversity of food and once when you restrict all all different kinds of foods and you just stick primarily one which is beef um I truly believe there is some adjustment period that body needs to take to adjust the entire digestive system to this new environment and after that all the problems run away and um often times people ask like hey you know I'm really constipa on Carnivore diet like what do I do okay well I heard this so many times there's a difference between constipation and not producing enough waste and especially if you are especially if you're in a calorie deficit that means you're not even consuming sufficient amount of of food so you're in a deficit and you're consuming the most bi available nutrients all of that is going right in your blood and there's not much waste to be left like a constipation is when you're really struggling and you really have pains and cramps and really it's it's a hardcore problem uh at the bathroom but if that's not the case and you just haven't been haven't been to the restroom for the last 48 72 hours um considering you're in a calorie deficit which most of these conversations were in a deficit it's it's absolutely normal and no problem like can you lift your arms up and hang on a bar yeah do you have any crms in the stomach then no can you move around and work out yeah I'm like you have no constipation you just don't have enough we that's the beauty of this diet and then I started searching for you know better and better and high quality beef and um I was buying beef at the local stores it was it was a good experience but um I started my cariv Carnival diet with the supermarket beef and um then I kind of wanted something tastier something more high quality so I started approaching uh local farmers and I started buying grass dress finish beef now that was a whole another bow game um that thing tasted very very well they have their own special ways how to make salt and they can make salt all kinds of ways and they can smoke it for you if you ever want it um so they do all kinds of um things and and then I realized that pretty much I'm supporting a local economy which I truly believe everybody should do when they're living whatever country they're living in it's probably the best to support your local farmers and and be self-sufficient in case something goes down again if another Co hit I'm not affected at all at all I don't have to go to the store ever like I'll just F my farm get get all my beef get all my eggs from there um I do consume some raw dairy as well so I do have another farm for that so everything is within like 10 minutes around my house um so that's that's a beautiful thing I met a lot of people who are within the carnival Community um that are really helping you become self-sufficient and and not really need to spend the money on the export imported food yeah oh that and that's great too you yeah um it's great to be able to support local farmers definitely but you also get it cheaper and you get a higher quality product if you go to the right places obviously so you know if you if you find a regenerative you know rancher in your area or in you know as area as close enough as possible well you're helping them and you're influencing the market because you know more you you're you're voting with your dollar in your pocketbook and so you're supporting them they're they're able to grow their business they're able to grow their reach and so they can grow and expand and so you're you're supporting an industry that's better for the environment that's better for people it's better for the animals and so those are all positive things that's what I tried to do when uh you know here but as well when I was in America it was a little easier when I was in America um it was a lot easier to buy directly from a rancher in America at least I found um but here there are places you can do it as well just you have to do a bit more digging um I I was going to I wanted to ask you as well just just going back to your wife who had Crohns and you know the doctor said that there's no data on food helping Crohn's which is funny because literally five minutes on Pub Med I found dozens of studies on specifically Crohn's disease and as well as ulcer colitis and diet and how this this radically affected it and in fact how an elemental diet which is just a processed tub of of powder which is just the macros and micros and nothing else that that was a better treatment for an acute flare up of Crohn's Disease than prazone which is you know the gold standard has a lot of side effects but it works it just suppresses your immune system it shuts it down not eating certain things was a better treatment than steroids so it is in the literature um I don't know why he hasn't ever bothered to look it up um the no really Jesus chist so what's he doing I mean I does he stay current I mean that's the problem you know you learn something in um in your residency or medical school and it's just like yeah that's it this nothing will ever be added from here that's a really really bad mindset for a doctor to have or anyone to have then it just becomes you know lifestyle you wake up you go you go to work you know you go to pick up your kids at home you prepare dinner for everybody you talk about everyday struggles issues what your wife has gone through in a day it just becomes normal job just like for everybody else just with a little bit harder hours of course because uh hours in the medical industry are really tough you can spend you know 14 16 hours sometimes 24 hours in a hospital like you know about it more than me so um I don't think you know some people are just not interested to look deeper into the topic and they just go by the standard and I think it's easier also to just go by the standard um it's it's probably you know you've done your eight to 10 years of uh of education and why would you go research something deeper something that's Contra contradictive to what you learn it's it's just easier to stick to what you know and just prescribe the medication and treat it through suppressing the symptoms versus really looking for the root of the issue and actually addressing the root of the issue which in our case was definitely the defensive mechanisms of the plants because the plants of any kind would trigger certain autoimmune response in her and for example her piece was another one so seems like her immune system was was upset already just because of a Cron's disease it was activated so many times s it already learned how to attack its own body so herpes was another thing that would come out after consuming certain plants you know so all these autoimmune reactions would just pop up in the body like instantly you ate bad something makes sense like that became kind of a measurement like I already know did you have a good diet and you didn't even have to tell me because I can see you know whether it's SK whether it's on your digestive system I already see if he consumed any plants um and and and as you mentioned uh I really like that idea that that you mentioned um about the the price when you're supporting local farmers and I I found that to be very um interesting situation because the grass-fed grass finish beef I can actually buy from the farmers cheaper than I can buy uh in in Costco and I had this interesting conversation with ranchers and local farmers out here and uh we decided to form a new um online Beef Company and uh we got n $9.99 per pound of beef and we send out boxes DMB dmb.com and we kind of our little community formed a brand new um website just so we can get the the highest quality beef grassfed grass finished we also got some wagu um you know to the public and have people enjoy the highest quality beef for I think a lot better pres than we can get at the store yeah that's awesome and I think a lot of those a lot of those businesses where you're going you know direct from the Rancher to the you know the consumer is very good I mean a lot of them are you you're buying boxes of meat or you're buying a subscription or however you do it I think those are those are very good um because you're connecting you're connecting the two people that actually need to be together as opposed to sort of having 13 intermediaries and the price just goes up at every tick uh which is which is fine uh because you know they they give access to people that didn't have access or wouldn't have access and so that is necessary it is beneficial but you pay for it and so if you don't have to do that if you're not in that situation where you're stuck in the middle of you know downtown Manhattan and you can't get this sort of stuff by your local Rancher you before you can have this stuff delivered now pretty much anywhere in the US can get this stuff then it's um you know that is very helpful to have that you know at your local store but people noways you when when you can sort of ship this out to people directly you know it makes it even even easier um you know to sort of connect those two people and you don't you don't you know so you don't need to to pay 13 middlemen to sort of get you what you need which it which makes it so much cheaper and the and the Rancher gets more you know more of the profit which they deserve they're the ones you know producing the product which is really good and I I don't I don't fault the intermediaries because that's um that's a necessary function but you know if we can get you know consumer to ranchers more directly with less intermediaries it's you know it is beneficial it's beneficial to branches is beneficial to us I think that's another way of how we can support the carnivore community and just spread the word um and I think the carnivore benefits got into a point where we just can't we just can't ignore it um you know according to just average media information all the stuff and all the benefits that are happening from carnivore diet are not supposed to be happening so um kind of on that personal mission and I started um seminars cariv our seminars back in Europe and we're launching another seminar on September 22nd 2024 actually Dr Baker will be one of our speakers and Dr John Jak will be another speaker I will be a speaker I had another seminar earlier this year so kind of spreading the word in Europe as well because I truly believe that people deserve to to know about all these benefits and they can educate themselves on the topic and see if this that's something that they like to do now I I have one question for you um um how do you feel how do you feel about um situation where people would consume let's say 100 grams of carbohydrates with their carnivore diet I mean I don't I don't think it's optimal you know and um and and they're you know you can sort of get into a funny place when you're eating low carb but not no carb you'll get reactive hypoglycemia so your blood sugar goes up your insulin goes up if be stays up and your blood sugar goes down you get you know what's called reactive hypoglycemia so you're in goes up insulin forces energy into cells doesn't allow it to come out of cells and so now you've sort of locked down your fat stores you're not going to be able to mobilize your fat and make carbohydrates blood sugar glycogen or ketones so now you're just running on that 100 grams and then that sort of drops down and now you're hypoglycemic you have low blood sugar and you have low ketones and you feel pretty wretched and so people don't feel very good they don't have because they're not eating enough carbs to maintain their blood sugar or they're not feeding and keep refeeding um you know in order to to run on carbs and so they feel pretty rotten it probably is better for them but they don't feel very good and so it's not really sustainable um and so people tend to start increasing the amount of carbs that they eat because it just doesn't feel good and and if you don't eat those carbs you're not going to you're you're going to continue to have low energy levels until you just sort of weit out the clock on your insulin and then you start making blood sugar again but that can take a day or even a couple days to to properly uh you know happen and so what makes people feel better they're eating more carbs and that's so they say I feel better when I eat more carbs it's like okay well you'd feel better short term if you did cocaine but like that's but then you're like okay but now I'm coming down I need more cocaine I feel better when I do more cocaine makes sense you know because you're coming down off the cocaine and now you have more cocaine to pick you back up obviously that's an extreme example but it illustrates the point that you have you you have up and then you have a crash and then you have to have more of this drug to bring yourself up from that crash and and carbs themselves aren't I wouldn't consider like glucose technically a drug but you do have that that sort of response where you need more of it to sort of pick you back up fructose is a drug fructose is is you know by the strictest medical definition of drug because it gives a dopamine hit to the addiction centers of your brain Just Like Cocaine sorry it stores a little different too absolutely yeah it's metabolized in a very different way to glucose it's metabolized in the same way as alcohol it's broken down in the same chemical byproducts as alcohol so you get the same damage to your body and your liver as alcohol um it doesn't have the same Central Nervous effects it has different Central Nervous effects but it is addictive and it is damaging so I would consider fructose a drug but glucose has a a sort of a drug-like effect you get a high and then you have the come down and you need to have more to pick yourself back up and so it's it can be just as addictive as as other drugs as well until you break that cycle and get out of it and so I I you know if people are adults and if they want to do that and if they feel that that's that's okay and that's manageable for them you know by all means uh they can do what they want you know I don't I'm not you know dogmatic about this I'm like know you have to do it like this I think that's the best way I think that just eating meat is what we're biologically optimized for I think that that is that is best for us and that's what I do that's how I feel the best and that's how I've had the best results and biochemically physiologically that's what makes sense to me that would be best for our biology and Physiology but I don't care what people do I mean I as long as they have information um available to them and you know they know know my opinion and they look at other people's opinions and they form their own opinion that's all I want that's all I care about is is to have this information out there so people have access to it and try it if they want to see how it goes with them if they want to eat some carbohydrates they're more than welcome to I see people who do add in you know sort of like fruit and honey I even spoke to to Dr saladino about this that that's my concern is that a little bit of carbs tur into a little more carbs and you're sort of feeding that cycle and it becomes a little bit more and a little bit more and because fructose can is addictive that honey and fruit turn into a little more honey and fruit and a lot more honey and fruit and then before too long they're sort of you know eating eating normal carbs and pizza and cookies and donuts and sodas and in six months time they're back on the couch eating P pizza and drink and Coke and they put back on all the weight and lost their health and um and that doesn't happen to everybody there are people like you know Paul saladino who does just fine he works out all the time he's pretty discipl iin about it um you know but even he has been you know has increased the amount of you know carbs and sugar that he's taking in from Fruit N uh from when he first started adding them back in but you know he's very fit you know he's he's a very active guy so you know and but what I see sometimes ficially people that had these carb Cravings these carb addictions and and and disordered eating that they that they have you know it's like it's like someone who's been a like a very serious alcoholic for a while they just sort of need to abstain and if they start drinking again they'll start drinking a lot more and and that is something that I've seen with people that with carbs and sugar and when they start doing that it's a little bit more and a little bit more and then they you know six months later on the couch any we and he even said he was just like yeah you know you seen that too that's something I haven't sort of figured out yet on how to how to help those people and how to keep them sort of at a low level so you know I recommend against it I find that people better results without it and I see people certainly with autoimmune issues that even adding in you know just just ripe fruit that they're that they can actually give themselves flareups and so you know some people aren't as sensitive as that I mean I'm not as sensitive as that I mean I I would perfectly tolerate fruit but I don't want to because I don't feel as good I don't feel my best and I don't think that it's it's very good for me so you know some people do they add it in every now and then and that's fine because they can have a bit of fruit or a bit of something sweet every now and then um but I get I get a bit nervous with that especially with like the weight loss patients because you know they're you know they've had more issues with with eating a whole bunch of carbs and and things like that and so it's easy to get back in that that cycle again and that sort of carb cycle and and sort of lose everything that they gained you also mentioned uh the insulin spikes and Insulin fluctuation it's a interesting situation I've been in with with one of my clients who has leukemia and U he had his white blood cells at about 69,000 um which is which is decent High not not really craing number but it's decent it's up there and um the theory that we went by uh was to prevent the insulin spikes so theoretically when we block the glutamine and we bring the we bring the insulin low we will be able to drop the white blood cells and um that was really the the best theory we had at the time um so he got his glucose Monitor and we figured out which foods um trigger the least insulin response even within carnivore foods like he might have little little bit of dairy and you know the insulin SP would be much larger than for example whole EGS and certain cuts of the beefs and certain types of the dairy would trigger his insulin differently so we kind of found specific foods that trigger the L ins the least insulin response it was on glutamine blockers too as glutamine is is plays a major role in in raising the blood white blood cells in this case and we were able to get his white blood cells from 69,000 down to 50 low 50,000 uh which was an incredible progress and he was successful keeping it there for for a long time so there was a matter of like two and a half to three years progress but it was incredible that it didn't even it wasn't just about stop climbing the white blood cells but we actually were able to reduce the amount of white blood cells there was another uh client of mine who posted um very positive benefits with her cancer treatment uh from Carnival diet all of her markers were improved and I think uh this is this is information that should be out there this is for people to hear and to really give it a thought and educate themselves further on this topic and they can decide for themselves what's the best for them but um I'm always I like the saying I heard I don't know who said that but um I Heard it somewhere somebody said that Carnival guide brought Carnival died brought so many benefits that we just can't ignore it no more we have to talk about it and that's why I love your podcast and I love the other podcasts too that talk about benefits of this diet because people can listen to it and take the most valuable information from that well thank you yeah I mean that I think that's the really important and that's you know I sort of mentioned before that I made a lot of videos that that I wanted to say you know talking about sugar talking about you know fructose talking about cancer talking about you know autoimmune issues and and all these other sorts of things and I got to a point where I'm like I've sort of said things I wanted to say and um you know plant toxins obviously that was a big one for me but I sort of said all the things I wanted to say you know should I should I keep doing this you or because I didn't want to have like a whole bunch of videos and just water down the message I wanted those sort of core things being there people didn't find them and and so they didn't get lost in in with all the other videos because I thought they were very important for people to see and I I decided to keep going a because you know was just interesting to talk to you know more and more people and everyone had you know more sort of insightful things to say new topics come up and new discoveries come out people find it like wow I had this really interesting issue and that's gotten better or scientists and and researchers finding that this is helping another like mental health you know with Professor Chris Palmer and Dr Georgia e you know they're reversing schizophrenia with dietary interventions which is absolutely amazing and um and then but exactly what you're saying you know talking real people and saying look these are the real life results that people are getting and this is this is a massive massive difference and Improvement and I think it is something that's very important to talk about it's something that that matters because that's what we're talking about it doesn't matter what the studies say it doesn't matter because I mean studies can say anything they can come from anyone it doesn't it it doesn't matter at the end of the day what matters is what happens to real people on a day-to-day basis real world results that's what matters it doesn't matter what A study says if it disagrees with what's happening in the real world and so I think that's that's a very important thing to do is is talk to real people are having these these issues that are resolving them you know people have been saying for decades that meat causes disease and that plants heal all and it's just the most wonderful thing ever well you know and so first of all which plants because you know the vast majority of plants on Earth will kill you if you eat them certainly as much as a salad full and half a leaf of of walk will kill you and kill an adult within two minutes and so you know which plants first of all but second of all they're saying that if you eat meat it will cause harm and yet we have people that are only eating meat and all the harm is going away so that doesn't that doesn't agree and all but I have this study and that study couldn't care less it's not worth the paper it's printed on it's it's wrong because people are eating exclusively meat and those exact problems that you're talking about are gone they go away so I don't care I don't care what your study says I don't care what degrees you have you're wrong and that information is wrong and if you keep pushing it you're going to hurt people and so I have a problem with that and that's that's why I I'm sticking around and I'm sort of GNA keep keep fighting the fight because I I see this work and I've seen this work too many times and go against you know the the you know the the narrative the doctrine yeah the narrative that's been going on for so so long uh to to believe otherwise I mean this is just it's just wrong and so yes it's great to get studies out there and prove what we already know we can already see and what millions of people around the world have been doing but for me there's more than enough evidence to start treating people with this and there's more than enough evidence to do this for myself and there's more than enough evidence to recommend this to others and we get studies even better hopefully that will convince even more people you know to get on this and fix their health but for me it's there's more than enough evidence and that's what I've tried to do with my videos is try to just show what that evidence is what's convinced me and uh because again studies can say anything it doesn't matter you have to go down to First principles what is our biology what is our physiology what does that say and that says that we're carnivores we've been carnivores for two million years we're well adapted to that there's nothing in meat that's bad for you doesn't need to be you know you have a poison Sack or you know skin of a toad or something like that may have some toxins in it but that's defense because they're a small creature most things are bigger than them um but you have a big bison or or some large creature like that they don't have to be physically poisonous because there's there's not many things bigger than them that can take them down and so they have other defenses plants don't do that plants can't move they can't run away they have to be poisonous all plants are poisonous this is just a law I mean this is just this not even a law it's just a fact you know and and anyone who studied botony or biology and paid attention would know this and um and basically any every Bist that I've ever come across they've all been like oh yeah well obviously I mean everyone knows that you know and so you know it's um it's it's um great to get more studies and things like that but the evidence is there that physiologically bi biologically biochemistry this is what we are and this is is the way we're designed to eat and we aren't adapted to the plant toxins so for me it's it's already it's already just QED that's this is what we should do but you know getting more studies is great but you know again study doesn't matter if it disagrees with reality and the reality is when people exclusively eat meat all these problems of chronic disease and illness that have been attributed to me go away and more and more things that haven't been attributed anything go away too so with a study sometimes you know I read a lot of them um I was educating myself through studies sometimes and and it almost seemed like some of these studies were already goal oriented it seems like um there was already a result planned ahead so the study was constructed around the result instead of concluding what's actually happening and I would say that was kind of confusing in the beginning because I quickly realized that I can find a study that proves everything um I can find a study about benefits of spinach regard regardless of the amount of oxalates that inside of a spinach or I can you know find a study that supports consuming cash shoes or anything else which are tremendously high on the on the defensive mechanisms as well so um I learned that like you said the studies is one thing but what's happening in the actual world is the another thing because there might be some other interests um that are within the study that um is going to support a certain agenda if the study can you know can prove that yes the result is what we want and and that's when I found you know correlation between who funds the studies and how do they turn out that usually benefits the person who funded the study and stuff so I kind of backed off from that because I felt like that's really not a valid source of information for me but there was the one from Harvard in 2021 where they took 2029 participants and they concluded all these benefits from carnivore diet which I which I found fascinating that Hardware team something something with something like that and uh when we look at what what's happening in the real world like you said were designed to eat beef um meat like in our case beef is is what we consume mostly right um is it a coincidence that our organism the human organism recognizes the nutrients from Meats as the most bioavailable and we have more than enough evidence uh proven that yes the the animal products have a lot higher bioa bioavailable protein in it um a saturated fat is actually essential cholesterol is essential for reproduction of your anabolic hormones and keeping your immune system together and when the alol cholesterol was very low people were a lot more exposed to infections and some people were actually dying from the infections when the LDL was too low because they were unable to fight them off so when when the beef is supposed to be the one that's harming why is our body recognizing nutrients from the beef as the most bi available well my logic is pretty simple because that's what we evolved on um and if if you and I went out the abandoned Island right now if we don't find something weaker than us we're dead there's zero chance we're going to there's zero chance we're going to find 3,000 calories a day of spinach not happening it's what I would pick would be the would be the easiest fight that I can have and it would be fish um and if if there was no fish I am forced to go after a bigger animal which is a lot more challenging for me because unfortunately we don't really know how that's going to end up um you know I might get really hurt or you might get really HT but at the end of the day you're always trying to go for the protein source that can put up the least fight and that's the law of the nature and you just pretty much survive on that and even if you had a chance to come to a a mirle field and in this mirle field there's banana trees and they constantly regrow banana and uh you just pull one banana boom there's another one well your your teeth are going to be rotten within three within three months from all the acidity and sugar that you consume you're going to have a lot of tooth cavities and problems just in your mouth not even talking about the nutrient deficiency that's going on inside of the body like where you going to get your adk B12 zinc iron copper saturated fat and protein amino acids to recover tissues and organs that's going to be very difficult for you so it's just this simple thought of us today in 2023 getting stuck on the island um you know recognizing that the only way we can survive is to consume something weaker than us and hopefully something that cannot put up a big fight back I think that's the answer right there what's the proper human diet that's that's that's my logic behind it well yeah and you and you wouldn't be wrong um you know to think about it that way too because that that's really what we're talking about you know when when we needed when we were in the wild and surviving we didn't have grocery stores available what did you eat what did people eat they they ate animals and so and that's and that's the ones who thrived were the ones that ate animals we had a we had a hard line in the liter in the in the fossil record between pre-agricultural and post-agricultural man and it and there's from a I have this on the PIN to the top of my Instagram there's a page taken out of a textbook from a professor at Cambridge who who showed these two skeletons and pre- Agriculture and post- agriculture post agriculture was on average five inches shorter 11% smaller brain uh size in men 177% smaller brain size in women signs of core wound healing infections uh crooked teeth uh smaller Jaws all these sorts of things cavities and and it said and captured underneath on the on the page you know it says you know I'm paraphrasing but it says everywhere around the world where agriculture was introduced around 10,000 you know regardless of the time regardless of the place and regardless of the food of the plant of the crops that they went to everywhere saw the same change which was a a reduction in um in health and stature and and uh so people got less healthy and this was attributed to you know profound nutritional deficiencies and they became more susceptible to infectious disease they had a lot of signs of infectious disease like tuberculosis up and down the spine which is not not what you want and so they didn't see that at all in pre-agricultural uh fossils and they immediately after in every location on Earth and you see this today you see these uh you Hunter not hunter gatherer Hunter populations like the Native Americans and the Plains and the Great Plains of America they were just eating bison until the Bison got wiped out in the late 1800s and during the 1800s there's a study in 2001 that showed that those people at the time the planes Great Plains of America just eating bison that was the tallest population of humans on earth right very healthy now they they've actually shrunk in stature as as an ethic population because they' stopped eating what they want that's the same thing bam you lose five Ines when you go to agriculture so they were eating meat they're much taller then they go back start eating agricultural sort of products because that's what's available and Bam they're shorter and they're more sick and they have high risk of diabetes and cancer and everything else so um and that's because they haven't had 10,000 years to to try to adapt to this uh tried we still not all the way there but um but they so you see that bam you see that big demarcation right there you see that in the Australians here in um of the native Australians here um there was a I've read about this battle in Western Australia sort of Northern Western Australia and in like the 1800s with the British and you know big battle a lot of people were killed and you know because obviously the British had more modern weapons it was sort of one-sided very one-sided and they came back and it was just this this bone field of Aboriginal skeletons and they were sort of a bit taken back because there was just shooting these people you know long before they could get to them and they found that they said that the forearm bones you know just the old on the radius that those two bones they found of these Aboriginal skeletons were longer than their entire arm of the British right so these these were big big big people and um and now they are not you know now they they are much much less healthy um and that's that's obviously very problematic to to them as a as a as a culture and a people but when I first came to Australia I was told right away when you have an Aboriginal patient whatever their age says on that chart you add 20 years to that because that is just how how quickly they age and their bodies degenerate and they um you have to start considering them elderly in their 30s which is pretty wild to start thinking about but that's because I think because they haven't been exposed to agricultural products um for really more than a century to any great degree and you know people from from Europe and elsewhere have have had agriculture much longer than that so we had about 8,000 to 10,000 years to get some adaptation but we still get the same diseases that they get they just get it much faster so we get it in our 60s they get it in their 30s and 40s right but we all get it it's just is just faster you know and so um you know I think that's that's direct question why do you think why do you think we get it is it a nutrient deficiency or all the defensive mechanisms that we we consume from those plant yeah I think it's I think it's both but I think it's predominantly uh the defense mechanisms yeah and that's what I find too because a lot of disease just reacts a lot harsher when the defensive mechanisms are presence and think about is how many defensive mechanisms we don't even know about like you know DMT is in the body we don't really know why it is where it is bries what does it do um so there's a lot of things that are not clear um just in general about the human body and food what what we can learn okay the body grows differently whether it's primarily uh consuming animal products it ages ages less uh less quickly um and uh people are just healthier with without without the symptoms of any bad autoimmune disease now of course this is not a bulletproof um I don't I don't really think there is such a thing as a longevity diet um I can really think about the presence and what does it do right now um I truly what I truly believe is that when you feel great today and you feel and you look great today and your blood work is great today and you have awesome results it's probably going to be like that for next 20 30 40 years um because when there is a state of disease and you're feeling horrible and you're doing nothing about it well there's a really big chance that you're going to feel horrible next week and a month after that that's kind of my little theory on it um and with the carnivore diet you know you kind of mentioned also the agriculture um what I really have a big problem with in a modern world is how we how we went sideways in the agriculture because um we're talking about homemade products where people still you know they harvested their own corn they they they had their own yeast without pesticides herbicides none of that was available at that time you know a couple thousand years ago but now you start first of all feeding people with um nutrient empty foods that pretty much contain nothing but but a little bit of glucose and tons of defensive mechanisms and now you mix it with a lot of different colors E40 you put all kinds of additives in it to make it smell better it's make it softer it's make it wet like a muffin from Walmart that thing is wet for four months can you believe that um so you know you get stuff like that um we are absolutely away even from the Agri agriculture like when you look at the ingredients in inside of a Walmart muffin for example you don't really know what's in there like average person will never know what these ingredients are and most of the people will not even know what multiex or deos is which is a very simple form of sugar most people will just not know and there's 12 15 20 other ingredients in it so that's where we're completely off like we lost it we lost it um and um this industry is so big now and the media is always sharing pretty much the same information about the process foods that it's being healthy and the processed foods are safe to eat and you know you got all the artificial artificial sweeteners and all types of a sugar like high fructose corn syrup that's one of the most tached sugars in the planet and it is it is almost in every single processed food that's out there you go to a regular store there's going to be a high SC here almost every single package that has that is inside of a package and it's dry food so I'm like that's that's completely insane because if we stuck to average agriculture I do I believe that was a right step for Humanity um I I believe that it made the life easier because now you get some sort of calories right next to your little village where you don't have to go in the woods and fight and hunts and Tred to kill so I truly believe that it made life easier for ancestors to grow some of the some of the food nearby them um but I think uh it it just got way out of control and people just transitioned completely to these plans and now in the modern world um there was actually a a study based on the uh re was it a review what was that word for it in English uh where they asked participants and they answer the questions based on a questionnaire um it's not a controlled study they just pretty much ask questions and they wait for response yeah yeah like a survey sort of like a youve the word I was looking for it was a survey out in California they were asking Millennials what type of foods they prefer and almost everybody answered the food that doesn't need plate and doesn't need a pan or any preparation so now it's about a convenience yeah you think about it right so we got to a point where this entire agriculture thing where young people actually prefer food that doesn't have to be prepared and you don't have to clean dishes afterwards and nobody thinks about nutrient density nobody thinks density yeah or just flat out toxins they think oh food is food is food and you should never vilify food that all food is good food as long as you're just not eating too much calories in calories out where that comes directly from cocacola that comes directly from Pepsi and Nestle and Kellogg the big processed food manufacturers they're the ones perpetuating that and and they're getting this in the in the nutrition um curriculum you know at colleges which is which is insane um Daniel unfortunately I do have to run um because I've got patience coming in the next sort of few minutes so I've got to run to work but I just just wanted to make a couple comments you know you were talking about the different toxins not knowing about them yeah you know that's the thing you know according to the professor of Bot botney at Cambridge who's the uh or former you know Professor you know Dr John Park he was also the um the curator of their botanical gardens there at Cambridge uh according to him plants have about a million different defense chemicals that they use to to you know stop predation right so we're never going to know like all the different things that those things do all the different sorts of diseases and problems that those things cause and disruption to their our bodies um you know it's just you just need to be aware of that you need to be cognizant of the fact that this is this is a biological Pro property of plants they will make defense chemicals all of them every single one and so you you take those into your body at your own risk um you even fruits fruits have defense chemicals as well most fruits will still kill you the FR sweet ones have less toxins it doesn't mean they have no toxins and the sweet ones have uh sugar which isn't good for you and then you you're talking about the longevity diet you know I don't think there's any any diet that's necessarily going to make us live longer than our biological design but so a longevity diet but when you consider that our biological design according to the length of our tiir and in um on our chromosomes we're designed I was taught this in in in genetics 23 years ago that we are designed to live 12 120 years on average meaning that if you just stay out of your own way and don't mess up you should make it to 120 without doing anything special and yet we're dying 50 60 years before that and so I think what I think is a longevity diet in comparison to what we're eating now is just eating to a biologically appropriate diet you eat to your biological design your body will work to its biological design and our biological design is to live to 120 years on average and you look at different populations such as the Native Americans in in the Great Plains of America eating bison you look at heraus and the Ethiopians who only eating uh you know meat and um and milk and water and um and you know all sorts of different populations you know there there are reports all throughout history that they were living 120 years on average and they always say 120 120 120 sometimes longer and um you know if they were just bragging if they were just making that up it's very curious that they pick the exact number that we now know is what we're supposed to live to uh genetically and so that's what I think of as as a longevity diet is just live you know eat the way you're supposed to eat eat the way that if you eat if an animal eats what they're supposed to eat they will not get sick they will live healthy long life and so we have to understand that those same biological principles apply to us as well and so if we're eating what we're designed to eat we should live as long as we're designed to live and we are designed to live 120 years we have so much ground to gain you don't need the metformine you don't need the rapamycin you don't need the resveratol and all these other sorts of gimmicks to get you there just stop eating what you're not designed to eat only eat what you're designed to eat and you should make it to 120 on average and then then you can play around with all the other sorts of things on top of that I have I have a hard time believing that those sort of medications are doing much more than just sort of interrupting some of the some of the harmful biochemical processes that we're that we're having from eating the wrong diet I don't know how much they would add on top of being in a proper biochemical State you know my you know David Sinclair from Harvard he takes that form in and and a lot of other stuff as well and although not as much as as some people but he does take you know certain ones but he talks about how you should fast for a certain period of time because you want to get that insulin level down okay well you know that that's something that that met forming can help it helps you with with insulin levels and blood sugar levels insulin resistance very simple thing don't eat carbohydrates or sugar you never have to worry about your insulin again it's always going to be nice and low you don't have to fast you don't have to take medications insulin's always low and that's something that's that's escaped him which is which is surprising you know because he's he's not a dumb guy he's a very very very intelligent man and that is something that he just you know hasn't seen and that's that's the problem sometimes you be so sharp you'll cut yourself you you're you're looking so focused at this this sharp edge of intellect and research that you're looking for these little processes all these sorts of things and you miss the forest for the trees you're trying to do all these sorts of things to interrupt insulin and make the insulin goes down and and interrupt the biochemical processes and the metabolic processes that get disrupted by insulin and you're missing the fact that if you don't eat certain things you will never have to worry about your insulin it's very simple it's a big picture and um so as far as a longevity diet is concerned I think that's it I think that you know if we just eat what we're designed to eat we'll live the way we're designed to live and that and we'll get another 50 years on average pretty much the state of disease is the wrong communication between the cells and correct me correct me if I'm wrong but um there's a lot of stuff that can happen between the cell communication and a lot of that comes from the chronic uh inflammation and also the The Chronic nutrient deficiency so when you supply the body with the proper amount of nutrients that are actually bioavailable and the body can recover its hormones and tissues and you don't break bones you're not jumping off of you know Bridges into the water and you don't break your hip or you know humoris or whatever other bones are out there you're going to be fine and just have a dinner with people you love and you're good yeah definitely um all right well Daniel thank you so much for coming on it's been absolute pleasure can you please tell us uh you know where people can find you and and see more of your work I know that you're starting up that that that way that people can buy beef I think that's just in in soaka though so maybe just tell be in America ready oh awesome yeah good well yeah well we'll let us know where that stuff is and people can check you out it's called be uh DM beef.com and we deliver to every single state in the United States it's Grass Grass finish we got some waga as well I got a book called weight loss without Plateau on Amazon and uh for my services I got the m trainer.com and Instagram is dmor trainer perfect we'll put those up in the description as well so people can find it there and uh check out your stuff Daniel thank you so much it's been it's been a wonderful conversation I'll have to do it again soon thank you so much Tony I appreciate the opportunity very welcome all right thank you everyone for watching really appreciate it if you can hit the Bell uh like And subscribe and share this with anyone who you think would enjoy that really helps us out we'll have uh new uh premieres every week like this um generally on Sundays and America Mondays in Perth and then lives every Thursday Friday um on YouTube as well and so I'll see you guys then thanks everyone we'll see you next time