Metabolic Health and Anti-Aging w/Special Guest Dr Sarah Zalvidar!

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off total all right thanks guys hey everyone it's uh Dr chafee here just with a special guest and friend of mine uh Dr uh Sarah salvadar who is a professor of nutrition down in sorry what was University is that Miami-Dade College Miami day that's right yeah um is joining us again today and I'm very very happy to have her how are you Sarah I'm doing great thank you so much Anthony for round two of interviews very excited for today yeah me too so what's new in your world what have you been up to oh more YouTube more content more um more clients a lot more clients so it's everything is kind of like speeding up and um yeah I don't know how you know I'm gonna start teaching in like a couple of weeks the fall semester starts at Miami Dade so I'm like I don't know you know it takes time away from what is really my main focus which is content creation spreading awareness regarding the carnivore diet building my Brands you know so we'll see how long I'm gonna last at Miami-Dade but for now we're doing the everything the whole thing well that's good yeah I'm sure it's very busy you know I try to pack all this stuff in with my day job as well and so it's how do you do it I'm gonna keep that actually that question I'm going to ask you when I invite you over to my channel for an interview but but how can you do everything with a full-time neurosurgery a residency and having a YouTube channel that's literally blowing up because for me I have what like close to 7500 and the every other day I have companies reaching out I have new opportunities coming in and I'm like how you that for you must be like times a hundred so how do you do that uh well it's difficult and unfortunately I'm leaving things sort of lacking so I haven't been able to like get back to a lot of the emails and messages that that I've been getting because I just I really I actually don't have the time so it's like you know how do you have the time to do it so I'm not uh right but you know the my main focus is sort of you know doing interviews and getting getting um information out there for people to help them you know get better and uh and that's my main focus so the rest will you know the rest will be uh what it is when I have time for it but yeah that's my main my main Drive I'm sure everybody understands no worries yeah hopefully yeah and um so going so still going strong with the carnivore diet I take it I haven't said oh yes it's actually even more so um so so recently um somebody like people who are following my channel probably and know this already that I may or may not be planning for a competition really soon so I'm going on but I didn't say it I just said may or may not but I'm shredding right now so we're dropping weight and I'm tracking everything like whether I use the bathroom or not um how many hours of sleep um the calorie deficit to the decimal that I'm creating like everything I'm a huge bio hacker if you want and I love data and that's how my brain functions like when I see data in front of me then I can it makes it easier for me not to have to rely on discipline you know because if I see data zero carb I drop weight consistently no matter what what time of the month it is there's no excuses oh it's that time of the month or I didn't you know like in the past it's like no matter what's happening I'm dropping weight like crazy I'm like wow that's because I'm having zero carbs not even cottage cheese nothing um so in the past three or four weeks it's mind-blowing I'm going to share that Excel sheet that I created so that people can see um on on a video coming out soon so that people can see just how much of a difference this whole calories in calories out thing yes there is something to that and I I'm not of the camp like don't care at all what calories you have because I think people lack awareness of just how many calories are in different foods so it's good to know but this idea that all you need to do is just create a calorie deficit and that's going to consistently lead to results not for me I mean my weight will not budge when I eat carbs and then I'll be like oh it's just glycogen oh it's just water like no it won't budge for when when when I create even less caloric deficit the week after that and I'm dropping two pounds a week it's like how can that be I've created more calorie deficit the past week and my weight didn't move and now I'm creating less of a calorie deficit but I'm dropping like two pounds a week it's insane yeah you know um yeah no I I totally I just realized my mic was nowhere near me so hopefully hopefully people could hear me um yeah no yeah no you you completely right I mean like obviously you know when you when you have energy in a system and you have more energy in your system than you need that's going to get stored as energy you know as either glycogen or fat um fine but the problem comes is that is actually trying to figure out exactly what the hell your outputs are because that's very difficult because depending on what you eat you're actually going to change your basal metabolic right you're going to change your your output as well and so you may be thinking that you know this is what my output is because of this equation and this average and whatever and this amount of exercise but that that's not necessarily what you're putting out there um you know even just being uh in ketosis just not eating carbohydrates like you say on average bum your metabolism up by 250 kilocalories a day right yeah so even three hudwig showed in a study from Harvard like 300 calories yeah yeah um I'll send you I'll send you the Articles if you have time to post them under the description but yeah this has been shown consistently in the literature yeah exactly so you know I mean these are these are are complex organic compounds you know like obviously they're going to have you know chemical interactions in our body and you know just saying that no no this is pure energy you're just taking in life force energy and and that's it it's just four calories per gram period it has no other effect on your body uh it's just this is just a misunderstanding of biochemistry and um you know so you know having and I and I've always you know argued that you know when you're eating a natural diet whatever that is but if you are eating a natural diet you should be able to just listen to your instincts and your body should just be able to uh say like oh no I need more energy and take that in so it's gonna it's gonna match your calories and calories out and if your body if you have excess adipose tissue that your body doesn't want it's going to naturally put you in a caloric deficit I talk to people all the time and they're just like yeah I hate I hate eating this meat I just get it makes me sick I want to throw up it's like don't don't eat it then you know that that's your body telling you that it doesn't you don't want to eat anymore you know and um you know and but but they're so used to eating they're like no I have to eat three times a day and I have to eat in these proportions in these portions and and then at first it'll taste really good because their body wants that that nutrition and then it will start not tasting good and they and they force feed themselves and you know that's that's when their bodies are trying to keep them in that caloric deficit in order to preferentially use their adipose tissue and so yeah if you just let it do that it'll do that now it'll get down to a stable body fat percentage and maybe you want for aesthetic reasons lower body fat percentage maybe you have to go tinkering around with that however you know apart from that you can just sort of eat intuitively I would I would unless your hormones roll mangle yeah that's the only diet I generally have been like no you don't you don't you know intuitive eating for people guiding histories doesn't work except for a carnivore diet but a carnivore diet that doesn't have like the bacon and the cheese and the sour cream and the fun stuff right um so that is the only diet that I can say yes you totally can't intuitively eat on that but even with that I still get clients um who have tried other approaches and um they're like I'm just gaining weight I'm you know I'm eating all the meat and I'm just gaining weight and the mentality is like I can't handle gaining weight when I should be you know going in the other direction so I think there's also this transitional period when we're getting people on a carnivore diet you want to give them as much momentum and motivation as possible um and um in that case I would I would make sure they know the calories they're eating at least at least in that like that beginning phase until eventually they understand oh wow this heavy cream has tons of calories so if I want to do intuitive eating you know I couldn't be adding those things so maybe eventually in later phases excuse me you can and then do the um not not count calories you know once you've achieved also uh close enough of an ideal body weight um so so there are so many variables to to take into account but yes like if there is one diet that you can actually use for intuitive eating it would be a carnivore diet because you're literally not eating any addictive Foods no processed junk that have been designed by food companies to hook you and no natural um addictive foods like you know honey and fruits and carbohydrates and sweet potatoes and all that stuff and also I wanted to mention for everybody who thinks like no calories are just calories and look at this fitness model she's eating rice and she's dropping weight first she's already metabolically healthy she doesn't have insulin resistance that might work for her maybe not for you at this point maybe maybe you might be able to handle some rice in like a year without it affecting you as negatively I still don't recommend it but don't look at people who have already achieved Elite Physical Fitness and performance and they're training hard every day with somebody who's just starting out second check out or just Google what would happen when you get an insulin shot people who regularly like type 1 diabetics regularly get insulin shots let's say around the abdomen you will literally see an accumulation of fat just around that area you know insulin is called the fat storage hormone for a reason and so why would you think that you can consistently drop weight while still spiking your insulin every few hours every single day yeah well that's it I mean it is just does come down to basic biochemistry you know you you eat carbohydrate your blood sugar goes up and yeah you know insulin you know stores energy that's what it does and so you know it's it's blocking lipolysis it's blocking proteolysis so it's stopping your body from mobilizing other energy stores and and it's and it's storing uh the stuff that's available so you know it it and it also slows your metabolism like we said you know it's lowering your basal metabolic uh right yeah yeah plain and simple it's true yeah after insulin you know is is all over your system you're just lethargic you don't want to move yeah you don't have meat you know yeah after the uh yeah after the car brush you know if I feel good you know people carbo low like oh yeah I'm feeling good and then oh gosh you know right feeling dreary you know it's the same thing as you know it's a you know it's sort of like you know other sort of drugs you know like you you get something you get a high you feel good and then you come down and even just as simple as caffeine you know that's a that's a very straightforward I think cocaine same thing sugar as well and so you feel good at first and then you have to keep feeding the beasts you know it's mind-blowing to me how people still recommend caffeine for energy how to have more energy it's like how short minded and short-sighted can you be to think that after this High there won't be a crash like really well I certainly experience it I'm like every every time I take like a caffeine pill because like you know you know just avoiding coffee just because if I want the caffeine I'll just take the caffeine you know what I mean and so I don't I don't need the you know hundred thousand hundred fifty thousand other chemicals that are in coffee that I don't you know I don't want if I'm just going for caffeine rarely will I do this but like some days where I've been on call for like you know 40 hours and I'm just exhausted and I'm in clinic all day or doing surgery and I'm just like I need some I'm dying um I'll take something I'll take like a caffeine pill and you know for a couple hours I'm like oh okay yeah I feel good and then I just feel so much worse and and I just regret my life like the rest of the day and we have that poor decision as well so it's uh you know every six months or so all is long enough for me to forget and be an idiot and just be like wow maybe this time it's like oh no Jesus God that's hilarious yeah I've been I haven't had coffee or caffeine in general um for nine months it'll be nine months yeah yeah so so happy about that and in the past I tried to quit so the first time I tried to quit I lasted 30 days and then I was like craving bad foods I'm like you know what if I drink coffee I won't I won't eat carbs so I'll do that it worked I didn't eat carbs but then I went back to coffee and then the second time I tried another 30 days and then finally November 13th of last year it stuck and now it's like it doesn't even it's not even an option I'm not gonna ever go back because even sometimes like I barely sleep sometimes like two three three hours a night if I have a super busy day and in the past that would have been a trigger it's like oh but I didn't get enough sleep so I'm gonna have to drink some coffee and now it's like no I don't it's not an option and you see how quickly you go back to operating just fine yeah you know you can even without that yeah yeah and um you know especially you know eating this way like I I don't think I would be able to handle it otherwise you know like I never really drank coffee before anyway but then like in my intern year I was doing like 120 hour weeks and so I just I started I started drinking coffee even though I didn't like it you know I was like I need something like I'm dying you know and so uh you know I did that but it was like yeah I couldn't handle it probably ended up making it worse in the end but you know didn't sleep well you know when you're on call overnight and you're just getting hounded by calls you really need to like catch a 20 minute nap you know 10 minute nap a 30 minute nap you know in between all these things that were going on and and I just couldn't do it I it's so difficult for me to get to sleep it would take you know 20 minutes to go to sleep and then you know as soon as I went to sleep stupid pager would go off and so I was just getting no sleep but I was just I was just going to sleep and they would like wake me up and it was it would just like be delirious and horrible and like so I hated it um wow I don't know how you do it I don't know how you've done it how you continue to do it yeah well intern year was worse you know that was um that was that was hell on Earth you know they really they really uh really try to screw with you and they would actually call you and and paid you purposefully to wake you up and harass you all night even though there wasn't anything that you needed to do simply to just basically let you know who was in charge that was uh that was fun we're doctors yeah it was hell year yeah yeah that was that was a hell of a year and uh but yeah and then it just goes on like that you know and uh wow but yeah that was definitely the worst you know but uh yeah yeah no sorry I had a I had an instructor um when I was doing my bachelor's in nutrition a far more deluded version of that she was like yeah that's how we weed out the people who shouldn't become dietitians it's like pressuring us like overloading us way more than what we thought we were going to um and it's like a psychological thing they want to get rid of the students who might not be able to handle uh or be like successful later on as you know dietitians I don't know so so yeah I've had a very very mild version of that I'm sure it compared to you yeah these are just the nurses had it out for us it was just that was the culture yeah and so they just they just yeah there was um a nursing student at one of the hospitals I was working at actually told me that one of their instructors actually told the class you know not even like behind closed doors like oh this is how you get it done but said to the class the only thing that doctors understand is fear you have to make them fear you to get them to do what you want and so they were they were instilling this in nursing students that you you have to have an animosity and an aggression towards doctors and then and that was the the proper and appropriate way to do things you know and I certainly saw that in practice it was it wasn't everyone you know most most people just got on with their with their jobs but it only took one or two you know to just ruin your whole day and and make up tons and tons and tons of extra work for you that didn't need to happen you know like and and things that were were inappropriate for you know um patients as well you know making you um you know pulling like IV lines and saying like oh yeah we need this IV lime you have to do it again you know a lot of these patients are old and crumbly have terrible veins so it just it just took forever to get these sorts of things and um and so you'd be spending an hour something like that just trying to get this thing and they just like pull out five yeah all these people need cannulism it's like I just put them in like yeah the tissue like you know yeah they're like politics do you think so my impression um going through nutrition school and school and then you yeah yeah dietetics internship in a hospital and stuff is that uh nurses feel like doctors look down on them you know because they only have like a three four year degree in you know doctors a lot more educated and they feel like this is a way to kind of get back or kind of level up the to feel like there's more so that so that they feel more significant and kind of like uh it's like a pushback or a reaction like a like a Power Trip sort of thing yeah yeah maybe I mean I'm you know I'm I'm sure that uh you know that that could apply to some people it's probably not most of them though you know most nurses that I've worked with even even in those areas that they were it was very toxic we're fine you know they were great they just did their job you know but they were they were you know in the particular Hospital uh that I worked in in the sort of hospital system uh that I was in uh for my intern year they it was just a very toxic environment and and they just went out of their way to to go after you and that was that was something that was just explained to us they're just like you know the the heads of the hospital were like hey guys you know whatever you do don't get on there's a bad side whatever they ask you to do something you think it's inappropriate you don't think it's right just do it just don't get on the bad side because like they will make your life a living hell like these are the heads of the hospital saying this and it's just like buddy you're their boss you know that there's a problem why aren't you fixing this you know and it comes down to Patient Care at the end of the day because they're you know they're they're compromising Patient Care by you know doing this but you know I think that um I think there are other other factors as well um there was the nurses unionist in this area was extremely strong and very militant and so if you said anything you just made a complaint be like hey you know this this person did something and it it was almost killed somebody they would come after you like it was just like you you like shot their child or something like that and um and it would they would just make your life a living hell that would make all your your uh your team and Department the hospitals like to say living hell unless you dropped the complaint and I actually did that I I finally was just like yeah I've had enough of this nonsense and I put in a client and things just went nuclear and that's what they called it that's that's some of us just like you should have done that and you that this has gone nuclear right and it's just like well they're trying to kill a patient and have me put my name on it and uh and and brow beat me until I changed these plans from an oncologist for a dying cancer patient to do something that changed medications in a way that could have killed them and I was explaining to them very nicely like this is no I can't do that because of this it's not even my team it wasn't even my patient it was like completely inappropriate that they're asking me to do this anyway and uh and they just they really made a big deal out of it and I finally like yep that's it and um and so I just I put in a complaint and that's it and just it was like just a bomb went off and um you know the nurse in in question and the nurse manager of the hospital manager whatever that was involved in this and they were they were getting really really aggressive with me they had three of these nurses like Corner me in this this little room and I was like in the corner you know sitting on a chair while sitting in chairs they had this this ring around me and just you know all piling in on me and I just stood my ground I was just like no you know because they're used to like people like this is their first job they're you know and they're they're not really you know aware of the world and how it works and it's just like I'm a grown ass man like you're not gonna talk to me like that yeah and you know and so you know when they found that they couldn't intimidate me uh into doing what they wanted all of a sudden the the sort of the hospital manager the nurse manager just looked at the other two nurses and just went well I'm feeling very intimidated aren't you feeling intimidated girls are you because I'm feeling very intimidated aren't you like that and I was just like why are you feeling intimidated I'm the one who's boxed into a corner and you're surrounding me you know and like you know the facade dropped off and she's like well you know you you picked that seat I was like you're right I did thank you for pointing that out I picked this specifically so that I wouldn't you know it could not be interpreted as I was being intimidating I'm I have my back in a corner you're surrounding me I'm not between you and the doorway you're between me and the exit you know I have my hands open I'm an open posture I'm not leaning forward in an aggressive manner thank you for pointing that out I appreciate that and you know they just they just kept doing this nonsense and um and so I just put in a complaint that's it yeah and it's just like and because I put it in a complaint the nurse manager and the nursing question they had to go on stress lead so they got three months paid vacation because it was just so stressful it's just so stressful it's just like really you're trying to kill patients I I would find that stressful as well and trying to ruin people's lives and careers for for literally no reason um and it was it went on for a year it went on for an entire year and and they were just harassing you know myself and and the different powers that be at this hospital and they're just like this is just crazy and I was just like look you know you're getting the brunt of this um I don't think that's fair like I'm I'm happy to deal with this because I think it's wrong and I think that people aren't aren't making these complaints and following them through because they're getting so much abuse so I'm like I'm willing to take them for the team on my end but um you know if but I'll drop it if this is if this is too much of a burden on you and they're like like look no no you know we're here to help you like just you know don't worry about it took an entire year at the end of all of this they were like we're gonna get you fired we're gonna do this well with all this sort of stuff at the end of the year she got a complaint on her record that's it you know she didn't get you know any any disciplinary action didn't get docked paid didn't get fired didn't get any of this she just says you have a complaint you know and she also got three months paid vacation you know and so you know and that was it and they they they really really went so aggressively just just because that just to protect from a complaint on their record for something totally legitimate and you know and no wonder nobody else you know speaks up yeah because yeah it takes a special person to be able to put your you knew this was gonna come and you still went through with it you know it's funny because I have the same personality when I was doing my doctorate I was like I was the only one speaking up everybody else like they're cowards like how can you you know this is wrong and I I would send emails to the president of the University she's seeing the vice president that's the only way to get things moving you know otherwise I would never have graduated on time no you know it's just they don't care you know they think all PhD students are like slaves yeah just go and when I can see you I'll see you I'm like no no no no no I didn't come from Lebanon for this yeah yeah yeah yeah but that's the thing though yeah you know um I've worked with others like here in Australia like nurses are great you know it's like it's a very very you know uh you know good team Dynamic we all work together very very well um at least I have so far you know I've I've really enjoyed that experience and so you know it's certainly not all of them in fact it's the vanishing minority of them but the ones that that do it you know they can really do it and especially in those systems where they're protected to that degree because it you know they can just they can just go to town on you it's like what are you gonna do about it you know make your life a living hell if you if you say anything you know when and so I don't I don't put up with that nonsense but um you know to your point about the you know the nonsensical PhD uh rules my Dad ran into that actually um he had a uh he was doing his PhD uh at in physics at Berkeley he um um he had he had to meet with his advisor to like sign off on something or whatever and he had like one of his main classes that he like he could not miss at that time and so he was just like hey you know can we can we meet at another time and this that and the other and the guy just kept like just being he was like oh yeah we can meet there and like didn't show up or didn't do this it's like no he had so he was trying to get there and whatever it was just like because of how things worked he's just like he physically couldn't go and um and and get this done so yeah they made it very very difficult for him as well and uh you know it's just like yeah like you say they just they just don't care and it's just like yeah you figure it out you know not only that if you dare speak up they're the ones who are going to be on your dissertation committee they can make your life a living hell and I went into a depression again like the last time it was depressed I was in Lebanon but that was because of you know weight gain and stuff but when I came here and I was just all alone I didn't you know I didn't have family or anybody you know so I had to wait until she came back from her month-long vacation to see me to give me new changes so that it would go back to how it was like she would give me opposing comments so she would be like okay change this and change that I would change it until I finally get to see her she'd be like oh no but why did you do this you told me you know but you can't even tell her that because you know she just she's gonna make her life a living hell because she's the one who's gonna eventually sign on all the papers and tell you okay now you're ready you know but like no at the at the end I just didn't care anymore at the end I sort of raised hell and that was really the only way I could I could finish yeah well well I'm glad you did because like that's yeah that sounds horrible yeah it's crazy so this is what what PhD students have to go through right and then what they don't realize is that after the years of struggle eventually they want to try and get a position right as and you start a starting position as an assistant professor they don't know that only three to five percent of those who just graduated with a PhD actually end up getting a job as an assistant professor which is what you generally want to do within five years three to five percent only and that's because universities keep churning out these degrees so the supply is so much greater than the demand and so now after going through hell to get your doctorate you're still without a job that you actually want to do and so if you get lucky enough to get a postdoc or any kind of um any kind of research position you're gonna just be so grateful to have a job that you'll do whatever it takes just to be able to work on research and have a job right and another major key to this is that you're you're thinking to yourself now well okay I got a job but I don't like what I'm doing because this study is funded by pharmaceutical companies or food companies such as the vast majority of the studies so maybe I should write grants myself so that I can get funding that's another thing ninety percent of Grants are not they get rejected right so only 10 percent of Grants get approved so it's another battle to get a grant to get grant money to be able to conduct the research that you do that you want to do but given that only 10 percent get accepted those 10 percent generally again come from either the pharmaceutical companies or the food companies and so when people tell me oh look at the totality of nutritional evidence it's like the totality of evidence is driven by where the money is because do you know how insanely ridiculously hard it is to actually conduct a carnivore study I think Dr Sean Baker is figuring it out right he's doing a co-fund a GoFundMe thing for the study I mean it still hasn't been completed and it's been years so it's hard and and the researchers at the end of it I don't care how idealistic you are eventually you have bills to pay and you're just gonna take the money and you're gonna you're just gonna be like well I need a job and I'm just gonna even if it's funded by those companies you know I'm gonna have to take it you know so that is the tragic state of where we're at yeah yeah well absolutely and like you know it is very difficult too and and that's the thing too especially when you have like a PhD um you know people think it's like it used to be that you get a college degree and you just you write your own ticket like my God a college graduate you know it used to be a thing right back in the day but now it's just like yeah it's um it's much more common and and yeah and it uh for a while they're you know college degree was basically worth as much as a high school diploma and it was like no you need a masters and that would be sort of distinguish you and now it's like a PhD I know you're saying that you know having a PhD actually you know it was only only like you know a 20. I wouldn't recommend it yeah I wouldn't um so for me it's different because it was like my ticket out of Lebanon because I I had no future in Lebanon so for me I came on a student visa you know and it worked out fine where I felt like I'm they they just pay you at the trolls typing so I was getting paid like two thousand dollars a month um and I was like great instead of working like a crappy job over there in Lebanon wanting to kill myself as good that I come here and I was super happy you know that when I first got here but eventually as you get settled and I'm no longer living in survival mode right then you realize well if I were born in the United States I would not recommend getting a PhD like for sure not I have my niece that I tell her like you don't have to you don't have to go to college but but here's the thing that's something that a lot of people ask me my students ask me you know because as I keep criticizing and stuff it's like so so what are you saying so here's the caveat if you are an 18 19 year old without a proven track record of like hard work and discipline and like aware of what it takes to make it aware of just how much hard work you got to put in if you don't have that no go to college take it easy and try to instill those skills but if you have been surrounded by this mentality that mindset it makes zero sense especially if you're going to take out Financial um Aid you know and loans and having to go back and pay that which you won't be able to do because you won't be able to get a job with that degree you got so just go find somebody who you want to be like who who was able to overcome something that you would like to overcome or whatever it is that you want to do find somebody who's actually been able to do it a practitioner or somebody who actually did it as opposed to uh somebody who just reads from books and like repeats the stuff you know and ask them how they in in the world you could actually uh help them out so that they could Mentor you but be useful to them so that they could actually Mentor you um for as many years as it takes until you understand what it really means um to to be successful at something you'll learn so much more in those two three years that you have been mentored by somebody who's made it as opposed to a decade of going and sitting in lectures and being taught the wrong things by people have no idea what they're talking about because guess what if it's a finance Professor if he really knows how to get rich and get your finances in order he'd be he you know he'd be Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk he wouldn't be a professor getting paid 70 000 a year right so be very very mindful of who you're taking advice from and that's something that I wish I had um really understood sooner rather than later because I just took advice from people who weren't who weren't making it and that moved me away from from health and success and happiness yeah that's a good point you know um if you want to be something you know you should surround yourself by people who have already achieved that something you know if you want to be uh you know a dietitian you hang out with dietitians you know just like hey what do you guys do how do you think how do you talk how do you how do you live your day uh somebody who's actually surround yourself with a dietitian who actually got the results who consistently gets results because there are tons of dietitians that are just like you know no idea yeah yeah they all work at my hospital and they all give people you know uh sugary carbs and crap like that yeah it's insane it is insane it's absolutely cancer patients they have cancer patients sugar and carbs which yeah just does my head in um you know you had um uh recent interview with uh Professor seifried from Boston College and uh which is awesome like that guy is awesome and I know you know and like seeing that and seeing his work and I had him on on my channel as well it's just like yeah every time I see carbohydrates in front of a cancer patient I'm just like the cancer patient you want them to know it's like you're it's a light for death situation like take matters in your own hand do the research you know and or anybody around that cancer patient like someone should know right it's just mind-blowing to me how how these things can happen and you know we should as a species we should reach a point where we can be a lot more flexible with updates in life we can things don't have to take decades to translate into clinical practice anymore I mean things keep speeding up just like our phones keep getting an upgrade every few months why can't we as Humanity our Consciousness why can't it upgrade faster like the quicker you adapt and you learn new things the happier more successful of the species you're going to be yeah and uh yeah I mean they're they're it's um I guess that's the whole idea you know behind what we're doing is just trying to get that upgrade and trying to get like hey guys get this information out there because it's very slow otherwise and there's a lot of you know there's a lot of competing interests you know and there's uh that's the thing that's the thing right where the money goes the focus and interest flows it's like you start propping up some some studies and like putting more of a like a scope on them you know more of an emphasis on them and you forget about the the fact that you know mitochondria they just don't work they're the same way in in a cancer patient versus an unhealthy patient I mean how how is how is it that like not 99 of cancer research not focusing on that just knowing that these little nugget of information how how can anybody still justify working with anything else is mind-blowing to me yeah and I mean you can have yeah and you can you can have you know other sort of modalities and mechanisms and and treatments fine you know but recognize the cancer biology recognize the fact that you know when you have you know a disorder and just regulated um you know energy production from your mitochondria they they can turn into cancer and so you know we should be very very aware of this and you know that's the thing in um in medicine I talk to people and you know especially uh you know students and and um and others that are just getting into it is you know your diagnosis is is really the most important part because if you get the wrong diagnosis you're going to have the wrong treatment you know you go you go that was like oh okay this guy has gout okay I'll treat gout and it's just like no he's got septic arthritis and it's just like you know you're done you know you you've messed up that guy's life is in danger they've destroyed that joint because you didn't act on it uh quickly enough you're going to treat things incorrectly you know and so you know and sometimes the treatment uh is actually going to exacerbate the problem not only not treat it but make it worse and so yeah exactly so if we we misunderstand you know the the principal Foundation found um you know Foundation behind cancer biology and how cancer cells work we're obviously not going to be hitting the mark every time and this is why you have you know different treatments and oh there's a 30 five-year survival and they say okay why does it work for some and not others you know it's like there's there's something going on here and we don't really know everything about it and you know and we've you know have I mean there's some there's some cancers actually respond very very well uh to treat me you know some leukemias have like like a 90 percent survival rate um which is great you know with certain treatments um but a lot of others don't and uh you know so we're we're not we're not really winning that battle we're just sort of you know we're we're doing the best we can we're managing the disease but again you know I want to get medicine into away from disease management and into actually getting people better because that's usually what it is you're curing people you know exactly yeah and that's getting a recurrence 20 years later we don't want that because then yeah I mean you destroyed the cancer and your quality of life dramatically dropped after that because your health deteriorates after chemo and all that stuff and then you get a recurrence 20 years later so is that did you really cure the cancer or did you just put a Band-Aid on it and you lower the quality of life of that person for the next couple of decades and then they got it again you know yeah or or you or you've screwed things up in their system so much that you know they start forming new Cancers and and you know they don't know that their lifestyle changes their lifestyle can can seriously affect things and so they're just going to continue this disease process and and of course or you know or they can get a recurrence a year later two years later as well and so you know yeah I know you're right you know you you don't you if the cancer comes back you did not cure it you know and so you know you have to die of old you have to have died of old age to then without cancer to then say yes you cured that cancer so it's it's long it's far away um sort of things but that's why you go by these averages and percentages and all that sort of stuff but you know it's um it's it's something that that really really really should should be thoroughly looked into by mainstream Media or mainstream medicine yeah good luck with that yeah yeah no no that's not gonna happen no and uh after a two-year pandemic they still won't touch it you know yeah and you know and that and that's um that's really unfortunate that you know um yeah there are these competing interests that that you know there's no money in just telling people you know not not to eat carbs you know and uh but fortunately there are you know you know clinics and and treatment centers um I believe you said that uh Cedar Sinai actually has a you know metabolic um oncology unit where they're actually treating things yeah with with uh with um yeah yeah and they could be using Dawn and like those medic drug people because they can't right yeah yeah exactly I think he was saying that they were they were coming out with some other ones that had you know basically they sort of tweaked Don and said like oh hey this is a new drug and that and that can come out because now it's on patent but it's not as good and it obviously costs a lot more um so yeah that's frustrating as well but uh yeah so well that's really how all of modern medicine really um started right uh Rockefeller realized that he could patent certain chemicals and those chemicals were already available in nature in in the Plant World I do believe I am of I have that philosophy that plants could potentially be helpful as drugs but not as something that you can consume it on a regular basis every single day so Rockefeller and um the beginning of conventional medicine what they did is that they took out those natural um drug like substances in nature changed a tiny teeny little bit so that now they can patent it and now you've got things that can make you tons of money they're not the exact chemical that you would preferentially would want to use on yourself but they're you know good enough but at least they make a ton of money and that's how it all started yeah well you know and they still do that you know if you'll have uh if you have a medication now and then they'll come out with a new medication that's the same medication but just sort of tweaked and does it work better maybe probably not and but it's new now and then you can you can put it out oh this is the new one you know it's like did you need a new one was there was there a Gap in the market you know and so yeah you got 900 different you know blood pressure medications you know and a ton of different statins and uh you know so like and then you keep coming out with new ones it's like do you need them what what's like what what are we what are we missing here you know there's enough I really think it has to come from awareness and what we're doing yeah I think so like empowering people who listen to us and understand there's they have so much more control and power over their life and their health than they ever thought possible and once they know that you you almost feel angry and you're like a rebel it's like I'm not I'm not falling for that crap anymore you know I'm not going and waiting um an hour or two hours to see this doctor so that they can prescribe me toxins that would never really address the cause I mean I've been through the ringer with that especially starting with my skin I had acne um and every single drug I mean I did Accutane twice I did antibiotics for three months I did birth control pills spironolactone for two years and I would ask I remember even in Miami I came to Miami I remember seeing a dermatologist once in it and at the end of the consultation like what do you think of the paleo diet and he's like what's that um yeah and like 70 year old dermatologist with I don't know how many years of experience doesn't know what the paleo diet is so you know you you know don't don't put yourself through that you don't have to go and have another human being have to tell you how to get healthy just eat your species-specific diet and that's it you know that's that'll like take care of 99 of the ailments I can guarantee you that yeah and that's what that's what CPU was saying and uh you know that that Otto Warburg you know proved in the 1930s and 40s you know uh it was a Nobel Prize winner for his work on cancer and showing that it was a disease of the mitochondria and uh and not not genetics but you know he showed that if you have healthy mitochondria you cannot get Cancer Cannot yeah you know and so if people haven't seen that episode they should definitely watch that with Thomas Seyfried s-e-y-f-r-i-e-d just watch all that guy's stuff he has he has different interviews like you know on my channel on Sarah's Channel and on on on different talks that he's done lectures on super interesting just stupid interesting and um you know especially for people that have you know sort of a background in biology you'll look at me like no kidding like you will be absolutely Amazed by it and you know and so you just keep mitochondria healthy you know I you know I spoke to him about you know when I took cancer biology we were talking about the different carcinogens and plants and he just and you know all those carcinogens plant carcinogens attack the mitochondria and I was just like there you go you know and so yeah that's it and so wow you know and there there have been studies uh that I've seen looking at uh people going on a ketogenic diet diet and the respiratory rate and efficiency of your mitochondria quadruples and the number of mitochonds you have quadruples so you're just right there you are helping your body be much more healthy you have much more healthy mitochondria which may not stop you from Ever from getting cancer there's other other things involved that can damage your mitochondria but you but you're starting off on a very good footing you know and uh by having much more healthy mitochondria and a much more healthy body in general I I think anybody who's been in deep ketosis for a long enough period of time can attest to that your energy just skyrockets and it stays level you know and then you just fall asleep like a log and you wake up and you have higher levels of energy it's just an incredible feeling very like until you experience it I don't care how much we talk about it you have to experience it because that's it then then you're sold yeah well that was it for me too you know I just I just felt so much better you know uh within a couple weeks uh that was like I'm never going back to that and you know I try something example he's like oh well let's see what it does to me not like eating even like a bite of it just like a little bit would get on my food I'm like well I won't scrape it off I'll just see what it does and um you know within 20 minutes I was just starting on my face would get itchy my eyes would get itchy it started like getting a little bit of asthma and I just sort of like feeling like what the hell and I just wouldn't wouldn't like it with just a small amount of stuff or with a bit of carbs or or um rice or beans or something like that you know my my back would kill me for like four days straight you know like be just in WoW absolute agony like low back pain um yeah yeah and so you know I've had like lower back pain since I was 15 you know and um and now I don't you know I mean it's like you know sometimes you get like a little twinge here and there especially like if I'm not um you know you know keeping the muscles strong but right you know it's it's really not not that bad even when I don't you know so if um yeah if I have like any any rice or beans like I'm just in bad pain bad back pain wow it's just so crazy to me I mean I grew up eating rice and beans like that was it that's it every single day I remember one time I did a fluid uh allergy food sensitivity testing when I was first get diving into functional medicine and nerding out and all this stuff and getting all the stuff I remember one time I took out like from my students don't do this at home a bad idea it's not a good idea took out like five thousand dollars for my student loans and I got like every single test like Dr Mark Hyman was recommend he was like yes get it why not no no so anyway it's not my money screw it doesn't matter like I have to pay it all back oh so anyway I got um it puts sensitivity test and it showed every single bean and legume I grew up eating I was allergic to yeah and it's like how did I survive like how am I still in one piece and that's all I ate you know it's insane yeah something that you mentioned liver low back pain for me I have a right knee um that always bothers me if I because I do a lot of training like I do Sprints and I do like long duration um like fast running um so now it's like every day I do seven miles running on my treadmill like first thing in the morning just to start just to start the day there are some bursts of Sprints but for the most part it's like it's like fast running and so if I have a little bit of popcorn or any kind of plant food anything um a pepper a tomato right away it's like wow it starts hurting me so much the aches and pains especially in my right knee and I'm like oh maybe I need to take a recovery maybe I'm a recovery day tomorrow maybe I've been like overdoing it and then I realized oh no I I had a bite of broccoli the other day because it was like in the food and it's like wow how can that be and now I know like I don't touch that stuff because I don't want to take recovery days I enjoy doing this and I keep getting better um it's mind-blowing how the tiniest things can have such a drastic effect on on our joints and levels of inflammation in our body yeah and especially when you can see the contrast you know when you when you're on the other side of it and you feel just amazing all the time and then you get some of this in you and you're like no that's not how I'm supposed to feel I'm supposed to feel awesome all the time and you know and probably also you know you you build up like you say like you were allergic to these things you had you know these you know your body didn't like them you you must build up resist you know try to build up sort of resistance in your body sort of fights it off so you know sort of mitigates the effect that's likely happening as well and then and then when you get rid of it for a long time your body's not it's going to sort of like stop making whatever defenses it makes against them and you know different enzymes and we break these things down your liver uh for one and you know and then all of a sudden you just get hit with a full force of that and you're just like no no I don't want that crap you know maybe you can yeah acclimatize yourself to it sensitize you know um desensitize yourself to it uh in the future but why would you want to you know like why would you why would you why would you want to get to a state where you know you can eat poison a little easier you know like I don't I'm just I'll just skip the poison thanks exactly because we know how that's gonna end up it's like why build up your defenses to Poison every day and plant foods every day and acclimate yourself to that or even to carbs every day when we know what the end result is you're just generally gonna feel like miserable and then you're gonna have aches and pains and then you're going to develop type 2 diabetes and then you're going to get cancer and all that kind of stuff it's like we know where that's gonna lead to so we don't need to build up any defenses to that because there's no situation where we're going to be forced to eat it so let's just not eat it you know did you hear about Rich Roll um the vegan athlete I I watched a video by Dr Baker like a couple of days ago where he shared um what ritual was saying he just got on a podcast do you know who ritual is he's like a very famous athlete vegan athlete yeah they've heard the name I think you know from from baker's thing I think I just I didn't I don't think I saw the whole thing though so he's had multiple people on his podcast very well known very successful turned his bike around on a vegan diet just because when you clean up your diet obviously we're gonna do better than getting complete trash right and but now you know it just is this happens every single time give them long enough and now he's got aches and pains he can no longer and he's been like it's been happening for a while it just it's just like it's been happening for so long that now he was on a podcast and he was like yeah I mean I've tried this and I've tried then it's not working and I I have back pain and aches and pain you know like aches and pains and and different joints um that he can no longer participate in those long duration events that he used to do like marathons and stuff like that and you know I hope that this is like the the time because when you have key opinion leaders that so many people follow that can and he's generally open enough he's not like well you know you're killing the animals and all that kind of it's not like crazy like that but so that is like a perfect person that hopefully can see the light and understand that it is those plant foods that yeah they were better than the junk you ate and that's why you felt better initially but give it a long enough time those nutrient deficiencies and the information is going to build up and now you started really paying the price um and so hopefully that that will be enough for him to change yeah yeah that's what they say about us you know like the vegans they say it's just like well you know these people get on Carnivore they get some good results but that's just in comparison to the standard dive but obviously it's gonna come back and get this almost every carnivore I know has tried the plant-based first because we all nobody thinks I want to get healthier let's just eat meat everybody's shocked at the idea that meat could be healthy almost every single person I know that I've worked with that I've taught everybody goes through a vegan phase or a vegetarian or a plant-based diet phase first doesn't get better and eventually realizes or gets really worse eventually realizes oh wow this is all wrong then becomes a carnivore there are no ex carnivores there are only ex-vegans I think that says a lot yeah I haven't heard about I mean I've certainly seen people that just slipped off of it and um you know and for whatever reason usually alcohol you know they're just like drinking and then they sort of just slip all the way but I guess I guess you know one would be you know Dr solidino and carnivore Aurelius who's not really carnivores more carbivore Aurelius and um oh really well I didn't know that he ate carbs I just know he has some good some good stuff on Instagram so it's funny some good stuff but I didn't know here yeah so so I saw I saw you know a Blog that he wrote like a year and a half ago or something like that maybe around there and he was saying that not only arguing that you you could eat you know carbs and fructose but that you should and you'd actually box your thyroid and your hormones and your and your um steroid binding globulins and your uh testosterone if you didn't eat fructose and uh which is which is news to me because when I talk about chemistry uh fructose was a non-essential uh nutrient and there was no biochemical processes in the body that required fructose and could not run on something else so that was news to me and as such he's not only incorporating carbs or like fruit and honey like you know Dr solidino does but he he was apparently at that time I don't know if he's changed um getting 40 of his calories from orange juice alone just orange juice no yeah yeah that's a joke it was yeah well you know if it's a joke it's a bad one because he's you know he's been he's convinced a lot of people uh hilarious yeah do we know what he looks like I don't think I've ever seen him this whole thing is is that he doesn't let people uh know what he looks like you know red flags yeah yeah yeah but um yeah so you know you know that that's a very common question I get like um the thyroid hormones are dropping the thing is you become more sensitive because if narrative hormones if you're actually becoming hypothyroid on keto or carnivore when I measure your metabolism it should show a drop you should literally be burning less calories because that's what low thyroid means it means it slows down is your metabolism well clearly Jeff um volik and um Stephen Finney the two Pioneers in ketogenic research they've done they're doing the studies and they have the the studies all posted on their uh you know what's the name of their uh Foundation website where they reversing diabetes um virta Health beer to help v-i-r-t-a here's the health so they have all the studies there and they show they have a whole page on it and they show the studies that they've done and the metabolism does not drop it's just that your tissues become more sensitive to whatever thyroid you're making there's no reason for your thyroid gland to ramp up production in order to just to keep you going and I would assume it's the same thing that's happening with all of the other hormones your tissues simply become more sensitized and what really matters is the performance and results how do you look and how do you perform right and I think just I think you can you know also attest to that like how you feel and how you perform definitely is not a low testosterone state of being so no and uh you know fun facts for those of you that don't know it uh you know just measuring your free T3 and things like that is is borderline useless because you know uh uh you know thyroid hormone has no effect in your serum none okay it goes into the cells right so we assume that the level in your Serum is is going to reflect the level in your cells but that's not actually the case it's actually very different so you actually have to do um so what we we do in the clinic is we look at reverse T3 and this gives you an idea of how much thyroid is actually getting into the dam cell and being metabolically active Okay so you have to you have to check you have to check both right and so if if your free Chief your your reverse T3 is in a good range well then you know that the the the the the the T3 is being metabolically active and it's actually doing what it needs to do in the cell so even if you're your you know your your T3 your free T3 is low you know um if your TSH is normal and your reverse T3 is in a good range well then you know you're being metabolically active so it's it's a better of red herring and you know and that and that holds true for testosterone as well you have to look at a number of different markers to actually figure out how how bioactive this is right now it's not just a matter of total levels that is that is not the whole story 100 exactly you can even take your temperature you know for thyroid and see yeah yeah I mean yeah people go hypothyroid like it's you know it's uh it's not good you know people get very unwell and very sick and um yeah you know and and you're right you know so it's like if you're not exhibiting like a slowing of your metabolism um or or other features of hypothyroidism what does it really matter what your free T3 is you know and then again you know you can have you know most most doctors don't know about these sorts of things because these are specialized tests that people do even endocrinologists it's not really something that they treat a lot you know they they normally treat uh you know a lot of them just do dream type 2 diabetes really I mean that's like the main things and then every now and then you get you know addisonian patient or something like that um you know or Cushings and that's the thing too is is our reference ranges are way off as well you know you have someone who has you know on this side is you know you have Cushings on this side you have your Addisons and it's just like there's nothing everything in the middle is normal it's like well no you know like you know there's a conventional medicine for you one day you're perfectly healthy the next day you've got type 2 diabetes yeah spectrum of disease you know it's just like you're like damn cancer like no yes you just don't come today and I had cancer yeah yeah no it's been brewing in you for the next time for the last 10 or 15 years yeah yeah and yeah and you've been setting the stage for for a lifetime and um you know so yeah so that's the thing so they they don't you know it's just not part of their practice necessarily I mean if they're specialized in that and they're doing uh you know sort of more functional medicine sort of things and then sure you know but um you really get more the you know the sort of the metabolic doctors and the the functional uh Health doctors that look at those things things in a bit more detail and uh you know and it and and then you can uh you know see what what these hormones are actually doing in your body at the time exactly and I I would say also like don't do what I did and spend all that money because it's like at the end you're still gonna want to do the same thing just eat meat it's like just skip the whole thing eat meat feel better and that's it why do you care like what the number says you know yeah and yeah and and the thing is I I remember um you know the reason I started sort of doing stuff is functional medicine clinic uh and learn about reverse T3 and things like that was uh because I met you know this this doctor doctor um Henrik rensberg here in Perth really cool guy you know he um he's from South Africa but he's been living here for you know over 40 years and so he's had this practice you know in Perth for like since literally 1980 and so he's been doing this a very long time with a lot of people and I've been having new very very good uh results you know he was he had people doing like interwritten fasting like before it was cool you know and um so uh you know he and and again very good results and you know he looks very very closely at these things and he has reference ranges that are that are very different um you know you you how reference ranges work and why they differ in certain areas is because they're an average of the population in that area and so the first 2 000 people that come into that lab that gets that's your reference range and so outside of that is abnormal it's just like no you know like who's getting blood tests like people who are sick generally and they're trying to find something wrong you know right and so and when you have 80 of the American population for example being overweight or obese that's 80 of of your people that are going to come in you know that are that's going to be your reference range really yeah yeah and and elderly you know or or um you know there's that just that study from Tufts that you came out showing that 93 of Americans are metabolically unhealthy metabolically unwell 93 yeah I'm not surprised yeah so that means that you know on average 93 of the people coming in there are going to be you know a bit wonky and so you know the reference ranges that that he looked at was people in their mid-20s who were healthy didn't have anything wrong with them you know it was like that's a I think that's a better range when you're trying to look at you know what what's what's optimally healthy um I think that's pretty good and then so you look at things and just you'll fine-tune even your your thyroid hormone and your reverse T3 and all these sorts of things say oh well this is the normal range he crosses those out and like just writes it no this is the range you know and uh and so people can look at those the reason the reason that I you know started you know you know helping out working at this place and um and the first person you know I met him and just started you know talking about carnivore and you know he got really interested in he was asking me all these questions and and because this was this has been his wheelhouse for 40 years and so he was just like wow that's really interesting and you know going into it and uh and obviously you know I was able to you know support my case and so he was very interested in that and I sent him a lot of resources as well to look at which he was very interested in and so he said okay well you know look you look like you you look like you're in great shape um but you know you can be in great shape and not necessarily metabolically healthy or whatever and I you know I've been very very in shape and you know shredded when eating carbs and when eating these things because I worked out a lot and like you know it was actually a problem keeping on weight it was hard for me to keep on weight in the middle of the rugby season because I was working out I was pushing myself so hard and so he he was just like well you know you look like you're in good shape but you know let's check under the hood let's check all your Bloods and I was like yeah fine I mean like I've never really cared you because I know they're going to be optimal I know whatever they are they're what my body wants them to be because I'm giving my body what it wants you know and so you know I I I really did uh you know you know trust in that but it's always good to get you know confirmation because yeah you know it could be wrong so I got I got all the blood tests done they were all very very good and that actually convinced him that he's just okay there's something to this you know because that you know he literally said to me he said that you know if you took 100 000 people off the street my age you know that my blood would be number one without a shadow of a doubt and so and he was just like so yeah tell me more about this like I want to know more about this so he was you know like a lot of doctors I keep hearing about unfortunately you know they see their patients reversing diabetes reversing Crohn's reversing all sort of colitis they don't want to hear about it yeah well and they're just saying they're just like wow that's incredible and they and they're just like but no you have to stop eating that meat that oh that's just gonna kill you it's just like have you ever seen anyone reverse type 2 diabetes literally this doctor said no I have never seen that it's like okay well then why wouldn't you think for a second that maybe there's something to this and maybe you know we you know we've got it wrong or whatever and they just don't want to hear about it you know and um a lot of people who have settled you know they've settled into I have a practice it's giving me status and it's not something that I just want to keep it and then I want to plan my retirement I know a lot of people like that you know they don't like to take risks and the only way you can not take risks is when you settle yeah and you know you and I we just don't and that's why yeah yeah well there's you know there's two two things that sort of you know I always think when I go into that you know it's like you know no risk no reward right and then you know there's no growth in a comfort zone you know if you just get Comfort comfortable and settled then you know you're not going anywhere because you're yourself and maybe maybe you're in a good place yeah maybe you got a yacht that's not not a bad place to be comfortable and so maybe you know you just be like yep I'm retired there's no yeah but even with that you know why is it that people who have made it to the top they still are working harder than than others you know because yeah progress as Tony Robbins says we would go back to the quotes Tony Robbins says and I that like that's what I live and breathe every day progress is the very Foundation of happiness and if you're not moving forward you don't just stay where you're at you actually regress because every day you're getting older right there's more things happening that now what worked for you in your 20s doesn't work in your 30s or in your 40s or in your 50s and that not that not only happens in help it happens in your career it happens in every single area so when people think that they can settle what they don't realize is that they're not settling they're regressing and they're going back fast in this day and age when everything is just progressing so quickly gotta be so comfortable with change and so adaptable um which is what um Charles Darwin says right the survival of the fittest and it's not the strongest or smartest um who of the species that survives it is that that is most adaptable to change you know and that's that's how I was able to leave Lebanon and I got here and I had nobody I mean I came to Miami on a one-way ticket not having a parent not having a sibling not having a friend not having anybody I didn't have a car yeah you know I didn't even know what was going to happen after nine months because I knew they were going to pay me for nine months and in the summer I'm on the student visa I can't word how am I going to survive and I still think okay yeah you know yeah so and I just like my adaptability um is truly I think is the number one thing that drives My Success or my happiness and everything in every area um so so yeah you even if you have a yacht you're gonna get used to that yacht maybe not as quickly as a car maybe like it'll take you a year but trust me then you'll adapt to it and now it's like you've raised your standards so it's like now what you need another challenge you know yeah and um yeah like Ricky Bobby said if you're not first or last you know so you gotta keep going oh true so why so true yeah I know and um no but you're right you know when when people are are engaged uh and challenged you know they they like it they're happier and you know just like um just like you know those those nurses that you know didn't have to do anything because you couldn't complain against them they were miserable they didn't they didn't really have very high job satisfaction because they didn't have to do anything so they did as little as possible and uh and they weren't they clearly weren't happy with their work whereas I've seen other nurses that are just so involved and so proactive it's like oh you know they want to do proceed you know they want you to teach them procedures so that they can do them and you know I'm like great that saves me like two hours a day and and so uh but they want to because they're more involved and more active and it's just it's just more engaging for them and you know when people retire after a very long career especially men um it's uh they they don't do well you know like the average life expectancy um of a of a man who like retires after a very long career like over that I think it's over the age of 65. uh it's 18 months you know yeah the average life expectancy is 18 months after retirement yeah after retirement so yeah they've had this like 40 year long career and something very involved and then all of a sudden they retire yeah you know they yeah it's average 18 months same way same with divorce so like men who've been in in a marriage for like you know you know 20 30 or 30 plus years something that big long divorce uh on average 18 months they just they just wither away or or widowed same thing then you know that because you know you think about it there they've just you know people get divorced for a lot of different reasons but to say you know that that a lot of um especially historically you know you you're you're sort of working you're doing all these things for this person and you're raising a family together and and that's your purpose if you don't have a purpose what do you have anything and so then that person passes away or um you know you get divorced especially if it's like unexpected it wasn't you know it wasn't something you saw coming you know they just get devastated and um you know and yeah average 18 months uh life expectancy and so yeah it's very sad you know people people take that hard and so you know if you retire and or you're just doing stuff and you and you don't have a purpose anymore you know you're just going to get bored you're gonna yeah you get you know get busy living get or get busy dying and you know if you're just if you don't have anything that fulfills you you know you're just you're just going to start wasting away and so yeah you always have to keep challenging yourself always have to have doing something and moving forward agreed it's always like it's always been very easy for me to know like I wouldn't want to ever retire like because when you enjoy what you're doing like why would you ever not want to keep doing something stimulating you know and I think that's like this old mentality that people would be like go to your nine to five and then you have fun on the weekends and then you know you start yeah complaining you know one Monday and it's like I'd rather be skins alive than live that kind of life you know I that's why I do the YouTube I mean it took me a long time to get my YouTube relief to a level where I'm I'm good like income wise you know um and at the beginning it's hard when everybody is like okay you have a PhD but like you're not making any money and you're putting all this work in your YouTube and contents like for what you know it's hard for people to see that around you um because it's not a common thing people still don't understand just how much how how lucrative it can be to to to be a content creator and more importantly because you love it and you're passionate about it you're working harder than you ever could uh work for somebody else right and so it's all those things together so yeah um but yeah I knew that I am driven by like passion and my intuition and I I couldn't be employed you know and having those political games around me and like I can't you know I can't you know I'm not six foot five like you where it's like you know like no I I want to kill everybody if they come after me so so yeah so this is why I do what I do yeah well that's good though um yeah well I mean yeah obviously you know if you you find something that you're really passionate about and you really enjoy then obviously you just you really just pursue the hell out of that um problem for me is I like a lot of things and so you know and um you know so I get I'm uh and yeah apparently I love them more than sleep so that's where I'm at right now but I really love I really love sleep and um you know unfortunately people need to clip that of you saying how much he really loves me man but yeah but I yeah just but apparently I love these other things more and um but uh you know I don't wanna how many more years do you have in your residency the rest of my life I'll die doing this I'm sure like it's a bit it's a bit of a of a crummy situation because like I don't have permanent residency here in Australia so um if I don't if until I get that unless I get that I can't actually progress so um yeah so it's a bit of a bit of a of a of a conundrum on what I'm gonna do if I can't get permanent residency you know it's just it's been a bit of a and um unfortunately sorry for swearing and um they fine I've been holding back so don't worry yeah yeah exactly yeah that's what people don't understand I swear a lot I swear I really do and it's just like but I don't swear in front of kids I don't swear I swear in front of patients and so I've at least have that right separate mentality you know when I'm doing things like these um but uh yeah sometimes it's hard yeah even before you said it I could tell that you're swear a lot because like when you have that similar you know character like that intensity and passion you have to say things with intensity sometimes you know I I you know would swear to the point that like I've had friends on my rugby team just say hey can you can you tone down the swearing a bit that's like a long shoreman saying oh hey take it easy you know like it's just like you know your teammates are saying that I can only yeah like on the rugby team and like everyone swears and and says like you know horribly lewd things like in in these sorts of circumstances as as just you know very very um you know in delicate jokes and you're trying to screw it through you're trying to get shock value to you know get people to react and just be oh my God you know like that that's what you live for and like they were all going like whoa hey hey you know Tony yeah and like yeah so that's that's that's bad and um but yeah and um but uh well I was I was going to ask too um you know last time we uh you know we spoke we talked about uh you know the different aging hacks and things like that but we didn't actually get to really dive into that so can you can you tell us uh you know how people can can live forever yeah okay [Music] people that are far more intelligent than me who do this every single day that have said the exact same thing specifically I would go and Google right now Dr Aubry de gray Dr abrida Gray he's uh the co-founder and uh was like the head of sense foundation s-e-n-s and sense Foundation is one of many companies that um do the research to not only slow down the aging process but eventually reverse it and eventually cure it that's the State admission the stated goal now um you're probably going to come across the fact that he got some um sexual assault allegations but then turns out it wasn't too serious so he didn't do anything terrible um so he's like yeah like he didn't he just I guess maybe in some situation something happened and the women felt like he was coming on to them or whatever so I don't know what happened the point is it was sexual assault but it wasn't bad sexual assault so so maybe okay you know what maybe I'm saying this wrong remember I'm International so sometimes I say things like what did I say okay not sexual assault but also harassment yes sorry [Music] and then it turns out like he's you know even since Foundation came out and said like he's not a sexual predator like it's just it was like a misunderstanding whatever okay so I just want to say that ahead of time but as a disclaimer but just know like the guy's a genius and I have consumed all of his content and I recommend everybody does so he um went on the Tom bilio uh Tom bilyu is and other like person that I'm obsessed with he's the co-founder of quest and um Souls Quest made like half a billion dollars and now as we were talking about how like yeah he made it but no he understands that happiness continuously improving so um I'm sorry I'm rambling so much it's like my brain is all over the place so Tom will you um made a lot of money but of course he understands that I'd be happy as an entrepreneur you have to keep growing and doing new things so now his company is called impact Theory and state of the stated goal is to um build the next Disney in order to reach people via storytelling to instill in everybody a growth mindset that's the stated goal because he was a super average person's thought of himself as a major loser um his you know father-in-law didn't want him to marry his daughter because they came from a like a more financially successful family and all this stuff to say that he worked hard on himself and became super successful it was it was nothing like zero Talent it was all just hard work so tomballyou check out his stuff and on his podcast impact theory he interviews Dr Aubry the gray a-u-b-r-e-y-d-e gray g-r-e-y and in it in the last few minutes um where he asks him is immortality imminent doctor of Rita gray says that there is a 50 50 chance that in the next 15 years we will reach a point called escape velocity what is escape velocity it is the point where if you choose and you take all of the anti-aging treatments that we know about and that are available to us that you can delay the aging process so much to the point where by the time you need another hit of treatments they're already there because medicine has already developed to the point where they know what to do and you keep doing that until eventually medicine has eventually cured the aging process so that is my biggest passion more so than than carnivore I mean everything is great you know I do carnivore I do music and all that kind of stuff but what's the point of doing anything if you're gonna die and we know we know that we have so much control over that and people are insufficiently aware as to how much control we can actually have over the aging process we've reversed it in rats and we've we've done crazy stuff in rodents and we've done crazy stuff also actually in humans um in certain Hallmarks of Aging there are seven major Hallmark Hallmarks of Aging again if you watch that some Bill you interview with him he talks about every one of those like um the the stiffness of the cellular membrane uh the health of the mitochondria um the telomere length um the accumulation of senescent or zombie cells which I talk a lot about on my channel so there's a bunch but seven major ones and they they've done progress in each and every one of those seven ones so um so my mission in life is to shake people up and tell them listen this is a life or death situation if you don't take this seriously you will die okay you can believe in anything you want in the in the world like I'm not gonna die whatever okay but where's the proof right I'm telling you you can actually develop proof and evidence that you can actually not die if you take science seriously and as us Humanity takes it seriously our governments will have to label aging as a disease right now we're not making well we are making a lot of Headway but we can literally transform the speed with which we're going at this if the NIH and our government assigns disease as a label on the aging process if they look at it as as a disease then they can that then they can fund the grants then they can fund the research so now we'll have the both the public and the private sector working and that's just gonna exponentially blow up the progress in anti-aging research because I don't want to get old and I don't want to die and I have a much better chance of achieving that if every single person on this planet understands the power we have over that and puts our resources together to prevent that from happening because you will die if you don't okay funny you know when I when I talk about this like normally people like oh I don't want to die I want to live for I want to do all these sorts of things and that's like normally what people say and then you talk about about a carnivore diet and be like yeah well on average you know you know genetically we know from you know telomere length and and different factors that humans are supposed to live on average 120 years you know on average so if you just stay out of your own way and don't mess up you should make it to 120 without doing anything wrong yeah right and so and then I tell that to people oh my God I would never want to live that long it's just like you got your damn mind what are you talking about just you know well then just you know just end it now like you know like if you clearly just don't want you know and want to be around they they think that you're going to be Aging in that pattern right where you're basically ready to die in your 70s and then and you're just getting more and more decrepit and screwed and you're just you're just in a bed like this just this frail husk for the last you know 20 30 years and it's like well no yeah fine I yeah you can you can take me out then too but you know um the people that are depressed that are not happy in their life they don't want to hear that this is going to go on forever yeah even with my students when I go off on a rant I'd be like okay today we're talking about anti-aging some of them they get scared because they're still not confident and happy and you know so when you're not in a good mental state you're you cannot imagine the suffering going on forever and so what they need to understand it's not that they don't want to live forever it's just that they don't want to be depressed they don't want to be in that state but the moment you actually know and taste what real happiness is and you're firing on all cylinders every day why should it ever end this is amazing this is awesome I don't I don't ever want it to end you know it's like yeah so so I think that is the biggest determinant for why some people want to get after the anti-aging lion school of thought or are like oh but I don't know and you know scared also what I don't think they're really thinking about is compound interest it doesn't matter how poor you are it doesn't matter how poor you started off with you start investing that now and that starts compounding the longer you live you're eventually going to hit you know uh you know independently wealthy status and so you know and people are sort of retiring at 60 and this and the other like you know what if you had like you know just another you know 70 years just to enjoy that just you know I'm just doing nothing and buy that yacht yeah exactly you know and uh you know and then you can actually you know yeah and then pay people to just sail you around you know exactly yeah exactly there's so many things um so many things that come after you gain so much wisdom and and self-confidence and skilled acquisition I mean and having said that if you still don't want to you you should have the choice you know it should be an option how long your life needs to be you need to make that decision it shouldn't be an inevitability that we're all going to die like no I don't accept that I reject that fully and I'm going to make tons of money and invest all of it in that I'm going to prevent that from happening yeah yes okay so so what are some of the treatments that I have now that are actually showing like reversibility and like what are they doing adding on you know telomere length or you know what are they doing so that's one so just just by omega-3 status and vitamin D alone if you just get your vitamin D levels to be in the upper quartile compared to the rest of the population it it elongates your telomeres um at the ends of your that protect your DNA it elongates it which means that it gives you an average extra five years to your life just from that one nutrient now we've seen the same thing with Omega-3s as well optimal omega-3 supplementation same thing elongates your telomeres um zombie cells which are a scientific name is called senescent cells but in terms of um like the fun words that we use as we call it zombie cells those are cells that have lost the ability to keep on replicating but they are not dead Unfortunately they don't go away so they just hang around in like a zombie State and the problem is that they continuously release inflammatory molecules into your system so you're constantly in a state of inflammation which leads to the aging process and so if you can kill off those zombie cells then you can literally reverse a major Hallmark of aging and there are so many companies that are doing so much research to come up with drugs called xenolytic because they're called senescent cells so synolytic um drugs to to destroy those zombie cells and they're getting you know they're they're they're getting a bunch of um drugs that they're looking at but something that you can do right now exercise and intense exercise is one of the most powerful zombie killer uh treatment you can do or cenolytic drug that you can right now Implement um I'm constantly moving like I'm running in the morning I'm lifting weights and then when I'm working on my laptop I move it Just when I have podcasts so that it's not in the way but I have a desk bike that I am obsessed with so I'm constantly moving all those things are killing off all of the zombie cells hence why I'm not going to age you see there's so many things that you can do right now that are cheap you don't have to wait for FDA approval and all that stuff to happen um another major thing I would highly urge everybody to go and check out Tony Robbins did an interview on his latest book which it's I think it's called life force which is all about um all about the um regenerative medicine and stem cells and all that kind of stuff and in it he talks about um nmn and NAD and how in the next 18 months there's going to be a version of that that is far better than we ever had because the ones that we have on the market like the NAD they uh they get destroyed very quickly after like a couple of months so they actually him and Dr David Sinclair they got those drugs and they tested them for to see for concentration and a lot of them didn't have any and that's only because you have to take those pills right away um so in transport you could degrade a lot of that and so but in the next 18 months they figured out something they've been testing it out on the military and it just came out at least because um one of like the heads was so excited talking about it and they didn't realize that there was a reporter in the room and so the news came out and they discovered that that they've been giving it to their military and the amount of muscle that they're putting on and they're performance level is like skyrocketed because of that and it's going to be available to us in the next 18 months I mean wow mind-blowing stuff yeah that's awesome she has more there's so much more yeah are these are these treatments available to people these more that are in the pipeline so the the supplements that Tony Robbins talking about in the next 18 months will be available and AD plus an nmn right now if you can make sure you get it fresh like Dr Sinclair gets it then yes it's available to you right now Thomas the lower people probably know who he is he's in our like you know keto and stuff he takes nmn on a regular basis um uh you know the vitamin D the omega-3 you can test for those and make sure you are in an optimal range those are easy to do right now exercise easy to do right now um there are treatments that are gonna come and become clinically available uh by this company called bioviva bio I actually interviewed the CEO of the company I couldn't believe that she answered um what's her name Liz Parish I am so excited I'm still very excited that I got to talk to her and I should probably talk to her again and talk more about those things but you can check it out on my YouTube channel and she talks about um the treatments that they're coming out with which are um telomerase um injections um which means like you you and you inject yourself with the gene therapy that would literally um elongate your telomeres back again um she's done it on herself she was patient zero she traveled to a Latin American country done it on herself like six seven years ago the woman looks like she's in her 30s early 30s and she's 53. and she's white like you know like the whiter you watch and you generally tend to have like more wrinkles at an earlier she looks incredible um and uh they're so clothy I think is another one that she's doing on that and that they're developing um a bunch of stuff so that she talks about all those things in that interview that I've done with her and also on bio Viva the name of her biotech company like check out her YouTube channel there they talk about this all the time there's so many things yeah there's blood transfusions young blood transfusions this is in a very early stage but people are already paying eight thousand dollars for like the leader of young blood to be transfused into them which is super cool yeah yeah it's like some vampire stuff vampire stuff that's right hey I'll do it not just yet right I'm good eventually yeah what was gonna say actually that's why we need the interest we need more money make it cheaper quicker yeah exactly yeah yeah eight grand for young blood I was just like can I can I sell mine how much will I get for that you know yeah but if you're making millions of dollars a year what's a grand that's nothing you know and that's another thing like this is what I love about nutrition it's not just about nutrition like and the work that I do with my clients is all mindset work it's like I I'm working with you to transform your life I can't just get you an optimal body without also tackling your limiting beliefs with regards to how much money you can make tackling your limiting beliefs with regards to the aging process like there's so many things you you want to do all those things together because when you're you have high goals for yourself and making more money and providing more value to the universe and the world then you can feel like yeah I can reverse my aging process because I'm I can do that you know and and you're more motivated to eat right and eat your species specific I mean everything everything meshes together you know yeah um yeah definitely well that was awesome and uh um I I think is that is that video of you uh interviewing that CEO is that out on your channel yeah it's yeah it's been out for a few months um if you if you go to my YouTube channel on the home page and you scroll all the way down that last playlist that shows on my homepage it's called that anti-aging playlist it's been one of those yeah her name is Liz Parrish Parish l-i-z e-a-r-i-s-h okay cool well everyone who is interested in that wants to check that out go and and check out your playlist and everything else um Sarah uh thank you so much for coming on I don't want to take uh your whole day we've been talking for a while um but uh yeah can you you tell us where where people can find you and how they can and uh see more of your work sure so it's very easy to find me Dr Sarah Zelda where you can actually see it on the screen right here so with an H um and so you can you can find that on um Facebook um YouTube channel Dr Sarah Zelda for Instagram is at Dr dot Sarah dot is all the bar I just created another account just like for photo shoots and modeling stuff you can follow that but that one is just says Sarah zaldavar the one with the doctor is like the fitness account so that's the one where I'm mainly focused on obviously uh I'm mainly focused on YouTube and Instagram and then the other social media platforms I haven't and like Facebook gets automatically updated with Instagram um but like you know Pinterest um LinkedIn on Twitter I haven't I will get to him eventually but now this is the anxiety to think yeah how much I'm gonna have to like work to keep everything updated but for now they're there but yeah YouTube Instagram probably the two top places that you can find and my um website Dr Sarah zaldivar.com Perfect all right we'll put all the those in in the show notes and go and check it out that was very interesting Sarah thank you so much for going on I really appreciate it see ya [Music]