Living in the Wild Saved My Life! | Adam Kavanagh

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described himself as a caveman he's a normal guy who's gone Bush and definitely following on Instagram because he literally lives Barefoot in the bush up near Cape York in Northern Queensland I believe and lives in like a TP uh hunts for a lot of his own food goes and Adventures with the local indigenous guys and it's it's seriously fun to watch when you're trapped in the city and you're under fluorescent lights and you're looking at your phone too much and then you watch Adam it's it's real escapism so uh Adam welcome thank you mate yeah um yeah thank you thanks for having me on yeah man thanks for coming on and that's so what are you up to uh at the moment like where what's your what's your day to day at the moment um so actually I've had to do a lot of car repairs so I'm back in Civilization at the moment I'm getting a few repairs done uh getting prepared and ready to head back out into the bush for some uh more remote off-grid Shenanigans basically nice and then what what made you decide to just head off into the into nature uh in the first place like what were you doing before and what what was the point they just said nope I'm done with this I'm out yeah um actually I should say first uh with your introduction and the TP recently the TP actually [Laughter] out of um out of paperback and you know paper paper and paperback and fire I don't not a great combo but that was a good Learning lesson um yeah so uh I I've been traveling around Australia for a bit over six years now um prior to that I was a coal miner for uh almost nine years and um yeah I guess I I grew up in a coal mining town and you know you're a product of your environment so I naturally become a cult Miner it was like the damn thing um and yeah like I think I got to about 23 and I started to notice some health issues popping their head up I was like at the time I wasn't very aware but I I thought it was like at the time it was weird I thought it was like sauces or I know it was like maybe preservatives or there was something happening that when I ate certain foods I was like getting this urge to vomit and I'd just have the like this really yeah it was just like these really weird feelings and then my eyes would get really swollen and just crazy stuff was happening um at the time I was in the mentality of she'll be right so I didn't really look into it much further than that I just kept going on with life you know going through those horrible feelings of like wanting to throw up and stuff and didn't really pay it much more attention than that um and then it was about when I was uh 26. um I got extremely sick I got really bad anxiety and depression and um went to the doctors thyroid conditions like they are like I they do run in my family but what I had was different it's usually like it seems to be in the females of the family have um Graves disease but I went to the doctors and had blood tests it's not what I had and they don't exactly know they they thought maybe it was like some viral thing or they what they weren't they weren't too sure and they're like oh you know like this thyroid issue you're having you're probably not going to have it again it's probably a once off um and even at that stage I did I do remember saying I was like oh it's kind of weird like I I know I'm eating certain things and like you know when I eat bread and stuff I don't feel too great and um not not gonna help the system at all but at the time he was he was kind of like you know like now that's probably not that's probably not a cause of it like don't worry about it just keep going on with life and that's what I was at the time like okay fine um so I ended up uh I think I it was like another another two times I ended up going through thyroid issues and every time they triggered off like it was just the most severe depression and I'm sure everyone's symptoms are different I had like an overactive thyroid so I was having rapid weight loss and um I remember I had to take uh I figure what the medication is but I had to take this one medication to basically stop myself having a heart attack because my heart rate was just getting so rapid it was like I was not doing anything just sitting still laying down and my heart rate was like higher than if I'd gone for a run and um I remember just like thinking stuff it because ultimately the doctors um and it was just like what I what I had access to since then I've got like I've had access to doctors that are way better now but at that time it was just I guess with what they knew they weren't really onto it and the link between different things that could be uh making my thyroid play up anyway basically it was at that stage where it's like oh you know like maybe we can operate or there's some kind of procedure or something we can do and I was I was even at that stage we're like well they don't know why I'm sick so um I wouldn't normally but I was open I'm like I wouldn't normally look into things more than that I'd just take someone's advice but I um I remember getting on Google typed in thyroid and this book come up um why do I still have thyroid symptoms when my doctors say my lab results are normal it's got a really big really big title that book it's crazy anyway I read that book and one thing stood out to me it said a caveman diet has been shown to help heal a thyroid and I was like all right I'm the kind of person maybe it's a bit of an addictive personality when I'm all in on something I'm all in so I went to the fridge emptied it out went completely paleo uh the book said caveman but a little bit more and it was like at the time uh there was like Pete Evans had this paleo diet and I was like all right easy done and um I had like instant results like my health turned around and um yeah here we are it's been a bit of a journey from there till now like I've experimented Beyond paleo obviously Beyond paleo obviously but um yeah it's been a bit of a bit of a bit of a journey for sure nice and then and so you're doing that made the dietary changes while so presumably working a normal job and then what what made users say I like I'm going to go off grid now and just and just be a caveman all right well actually it was um through the really severe anxiety and depression I I literally got to that stage where I worked shift work and it got to that stage where I'd worked out I'm like all right like this paleo Whole Foods eating is really helping but like in the book it did say it was like shift work is really not ideal for someone in my condition but I was on a hype like I was in a high-paid job and I was like not ready to give that up just yet and um what ended up happening was I think it was in the book it was like you know maybe getting outside a bit more was could be helpful too and actually that was one thing that the doctors did say at the time if anything he was like mate like maybe get outside a little bit more and just you know um he suggested to go out to the Garden more but I was like I went a bit further than that I just started going out to the end of the Bush a bit more um I'd started noticing that when I was doing the night shifts they were triggering off like panic attacks so I was in a fortunate position like the whole time I've been working I'd like never taken much time off work as far as like sick leave or anything so I had a lot saved up so I started like not going tonight not going into work for night shift I was just doing day shift and then I'd have like seven days and I'd just go like fishing and hunting and camping and just basically be in the bush for that period of time and I started to notice I'm like wow I actually feel a lot better doing this and then it went from that to like okay like maybe I'll do this Barefoot and then it was like I started hearing about sunscreens and stuff because like I'm the sort of person I I literally would go out to into the Sun at like sunrise and I'd be out for five minutes and I'd get completely sunburned like third degree burns I couldn't tolerate the Sun at all right and uh yeah I started I started I was like oh crap like this is absolutely freaking crazy but I'm gonna go out and not put sunscreen on or swap it for like zinc I think zinc was initially what I did I started putting zinc on and I noticed I was like oh this feels a lot better than the other sunscreens I was using and it was just like slowly spend more and more time in the bush which is what I used to do as a kid anyway so it was weird I've done like this full circle back to who I used to be and I just noticed I started to feel better and better and then the ultimate uh decider was I went to Africa for four months and I thought all right I I've noticed that when I'm when I'm not at work and I'm not doing night shift I'm feeling better so I thought all right I'll have four months off work completely and I'll just see how I feel and if I feel like better I'm probably going to quit my job so I went to Africa and I came back absolutely jacked from like eating just all the the Whole Foods over there like all the off the side of the road like the half raw chicken and the half World goes and just all the bananas and stuff that were over there and I absolutely come back so vibrant and I was like yeah it's time to quit my job I'd had some families I'd had some family stuff happen that kind of made me realize how short life was so yeah I just went into work and I was like I have no idea what I'm doing but I'm going to quit my job and I'm going to go live in the bush yeah that's awesome though and and it's cool that you just actually went out and did it and um yeah how did you pick did you did you know people that were living out in the bush or do you just like just just throw a dart on a map and be like I'm just gonna I'm just gonna rock out there and set up yeah I honestly had no idea I'd remember it when I was 19 I'd actually written down like one of my goals in life was to travel Australia because that like right up until I was 23 I hadn't left Queensland I hadn't even been like within a couple hours of where I lived and it was just this Gall I'd written down I thought you know what stop it I've got nothing to lose I'm just going to go travel Australia no idea what I'm doing um even at that stage I guess really I didn't realize I was going to end up spending so much time in the bush it was more just that seeking of Adventure that Call to Adventure and um it's been an evolution yeah so did it start off with uh kind of like traditional camping style Adventures Adam and then you yeah yeah like just yeah your typical like uh you know go on camping going fishing sightseeing that's full of camping and that was actually uh over time my Adventures were getting a little bit more extreme and um I'd realize I was like oh I probably should you know get a bit more Bush knowledge seems I'm spending more time in the bush and my Adventures are getting a little bit more crazy it's like you know there's a potential for something to go wrong so yeah I started to you know learn about Bush skills a little bit more and then also being lucky enough to spend time with the indigenous people and then like seeing a whole another way of hunting and fishing you know a way of being in the bush and then that was one of the big is Paces the puzzle too and it grew from and it was just yeah it's just like every over the last couple of years I've just eventually started to um Camp less comfortably like take it to the extreme a little bit more and a little bit more and then yeah it's uh evolved into doing a TV show for uh on that uh one of the Discovery Channels TV shows and it's just been crazy Works where it's LED that's awesome and how did you meet uh the local indigenous people is it just throughout being out in the bush or did or how did you make that connection and let you because that was that's been a dream of mine since I was a kid to just like go out in the bush and just like and like live with the native Australians and like just learn all the different things that uh just the way they live you know historically yeah I guess it's not it's not as like there's our there's this romanticized idea of like the real living in the bush and to a degree like with all our modern stuff you know I mean like then I doing it as traditionally as they used to be like but why would they if you've got all this new technology but it was actually um it was right before I completely stopped drinking so this is one of my first trips around Australia where it actually met one of the indigenous guys and I I randomly went to the pub and it was I was even at that stage actually where I knew I was like I don't feel a really good when I drink but I anyway I'd wound up at this at this Pub in the middle of nowhere and I'd met this guy and he had invited me out fishing one of the indigenous guys and it was like yeah he's like yep we'll go fishing anyway it was two years later he randomly called me and he said he ready to go fishing and I was like what I was like who is this a legend but he called me it was like he called me as if it was yesterday and like I'm best mates with him now he's absolutely lovely gentleman every two years yeah and uh yeah he just randomly called me up and at that stage I had quit my job so it was like that trip I'd done there I was still working it was just I just started to Branch out a little bit more um and this is before I went paleo this is like the first time I got sick I just had a bit of time off work um yeah I was still living a normal life when I first met him and then when I met him the second time I was like oh actually I'll just quit my job I said I'll see you soon like I just quit my job I'm like I got nothing on so I went up there and yeah it just went from there like we just got along so well because like our passions were hunting and fishing and stuff and then yeah he's like really invited me into the community and made me feel welcome um but it is it is rare to have that to have that I'm very privileged and lucky to be allowed to spend time up there the way that I do so I was just grateful that I met him and um yeah nice and so are you mostly just just living off the land just Hunting Fishing and uh and that's it would you bring stuff with you as well yeah uh I do a combination of things when I'm out like here now while I'm back in town I'm just going to The Butchers and and doing the everyday stuff just because I've been pretty busy setting some stuff up but once I'm out in the bush I only Hunt and Gather from the bush hell yeah awesome yeah if I have to go to the bushes at all it's pretty rare if at all that I've got to go get food like when I'm in the bush yeah I spend a lot of time hunting with the indigenous crew too that's that's definitely one of the biggest ways I get food but yeah when I'm up there it's mostly just fishing and hunting to to get food or foraging nice and then do you um do you bow hunt uh gun hunt like what do you boomerangs like what do you guys what are you guys doing yeah um mostly like so when I was young I grew up on a farm and we used used to use guns a fair bit out there and um I guess it was when I was about 19 my brothers started to get into archery and bow hunting and that really that sort of caught my interest and then it was once I started to spend more time in the bush I was like oh like this this bow hunting is like a very feasible way of getting food and then I really got passionate about it so I mostly bow hunt um I love to fish one of my uh main hunting forms that I use that's probably not so well known as I do a lot of persistence hunting where I'll run an animal down and catch it by hand with with nothing else that's like that's my that's how I laugh yeah what sort of animal are we talking uh of of Court goats pigs uh scrub cattle like wild cattle sick yeah wow just wrestling down a cow and just like taking it down that's awesome I don't recommend it I don't remember um yeah I have done it that's crazy yeah yeah that's badass like how long does it take to run one of these things down I mean hours an hour I mean because those things can just go forever really yeah yeah so I've I recently read a book called Born to Run and it goes right into like um you know that that real long distance form of like Ultra Ultra you know running and um I've personally found it was actually in that book I I noticed why some of the the ways that I hunt why I don't end up doing really big long assistance answers because like the weather up where I hunt you know typically it can be up in the high 30 usually 40 degrees if not more um so the animals don't can't cool their bodies as efficiently as we can but we can also like carry water and stuff as well so not to say that they don't cool down suspiciously as we do but like you know we have some some advantages in the ability to carry water but I've also found if I do a Sprint I can outrun an animal in the first initial part of the chase so like within at least 100 meters or 200 meters I can catch most animals without it having to go to like a long distance run but like the the Hudson stuff in Africa they're doing like you know I've seen a documentary where they like ran up like it was like a couple of days they were chasing an animal before the animal expired but it was like I personally not enough to ever gone like that it's just generally I do a really big sprint and I can I can outrun my if it gets to a stage where the animals we get into somewhat of a long distance run um I've generally found animals maybe will only go like a kilometer or two and then I'll generally caught them anyway and then like I haven't I haven't caught them at all I've gone out yeah oh interesting oh that's really cool and that's uh that's probably one of the more badass ways of hunting I think is imaginable it's just actually just running it down and wrestling it down right and then and what happens when you catch it you're like lassoing it or you're are we stabbing it how does this work yeah generally um I let a lot of animals go when I catch them that way it's more of just like that [Music] you versus the animal but like no weapons or anything it's like just you versus the animal like there's no barrier between you and the animal you know what I mean but uh that's also why I like boat hunting because you have to get so close to the animal like you know it's it it's there's like an advantage for the animal as well you know I mean like it's fair it's like an even playing field to a degree you've got to get close there's a there's a lot of chances like it's going to smell you or see you and run off so I it just feels more fair to me there's just something about that Primal aspect of it so that's generally why I'm yeah sticking to the bow hunting or the persistence hunting but um yeah I'll generally with the persistence hunting if I am going to eat an animal yeah it's it's like um stabbing the animal yeah with a knife like a quick um it's like pretty graphic I don't know but there's like an artery artery ball above the heart which can be reached either through the top of the ridge rib cage or through the side of the back of a leg so depending on the animal would depend on which way you would you know you would you would process the animal but um it is surprise like it it's surprising how quick it actually is but uh generally I'm pretty yeah if I'm catching an animal by hand I don't usually that way because I've you know run them down and it's like stressed out a little bit so yeah I pick and choose my battles there without yeah oh that's cool and then um I mean we do I mean somebody's animals are going to be you know big probably you know as big or maybe even bigger than you and how does that work do you do you go for those those kinds of animals you go for the smaller smaller ones I guess I am going for the smaller ones but um after spending time with the indigenous people so the indigenous stuff aside like they're great with cattle like in Horseman like that that that like it is impressive to watch them work with animals like work with horses work with cattle their ability to catch and wrestle a full-grown ball to the ground like a like you know like a 50 kilo guy can pull a full like you know nearly tan animal To The Ground by by themselves so that's crazy watching that watching that and doing that with the guys because when they hunt you know obviously I'd have access to guns so they're like chasing an animal on a motorbike or in a in like a four-wheel drive and then jumping off the back and catching it and then having the wrestler like that you don't have any other way wow so it's it's been through that like it's not like I just woke up one day and knew how to do it it's like I've been hanging out with the guys who are like pros at this stuff and watching and learning from them and just saying and what about kangaroos those things fight back generally so as far as hunting goes like native animals I can only hunt and process when I'm with the indigenous people on indigenous land but um kangaroos generally you need a permit but also with bow hunting you're only allowed to Harvest invasive species so I'm only allowed to to hunt like pigs and um goats deer wild cattle stuff like that okay but yeah when I'm hanging out with the indigenous people I'm allowed to I'm allowed to hunt Kangaroos and stuff like that but there's Seasons that certain animals are better to eat so I just whenever I'm hunting something like that it's with the indigenous people because they are so better at picking the seasons so like they'll they'll be a huge period of time where they won't touch a kangaroo or a wallaby because they just know it's just like it's not going to be in good condition it's going to be low body fat percentage it's not going to be like the most tasty they'll wait until they're really well conditioned and they're super fatty and then we'll eat them in that period of time and the animals taste amazing so in in general you're going for fattier animals yet always the indigenous people are always always going for the fatty the fatty cut to meat for sure like um there's a bird up there uh the the local name or like the the nickname the animals that play in turkey or the bush turkey or just the turkey yeah um but it's actually like a buzzard or a busted it's called and um they're the same like there's a season when the grasshoppers get really thick and when they're eating all the Grasshoppers they get super super fatty and it's the same like if they hunted one and it wasn't very fatty like they're not as inclined to eat it just because they know it's not going to taste very good but when an animal's fatty it's going to taste good and I've been lucky enough to try both like you know I've tested an animal out that wasn't fatty and then I had one that was fatty and I can see why you would not even waste your time hunting something that's not fatty like purely just for the taste as well as like you know the calorie input of eating an animal is like getting the most out of it as well um yeah that was yeah that was I was speaking to um Aboriginal guy just at the hospital and we were just talking about uh your nutrition and things like that and and he had he was obviously living in Perth and in the city and so he was eating just normal Western stuff and he was and he was having a lot of health issues which is why he was in the hospital and we just sort of got to talking about you know traditional ways of eating and I was telling about sort of the resource I was doing and foreign I couldn't agree with you more you know and that's um that's something that people understand you know when you're when they're living out in in the wild like that that is very important that I mean that makes makes a play yeah like I've seen like when when I'm with the indigenous guys and you know like say we get one of the wild cattle and we're processing it like it's just the how excited they are like they are so pumped when the animals like they'll generally only go for the fatty ones but when you get an animal that's like really really fatty like it's in very very good condition like that's when everyone gets super excited yeah nice and I've even noticed it actually I'll when I'm out in the bush doing my little stints where I where I'll go up there and just live out there for a couple of months when I eat the when I eat the wild the wild meats and stuff I notice that I can eat less so I'm eating less food but I'll tend to like be more muscular and more defined and jacked than when I'm in town and I have access to all this food even though I'm still eating like you know beef and chicken and whatever there's this there's just something about that pure wild animal where like like you know obviously I'm not a nutritionist or anything where I'm getting with where I'm going this is just from my own personal experience yeah I've noticed that like when I eat the wild animals like my body represents that but like when I when I'm in town even though I'm still like you know trying to mostly eat like grass-fed and organic and all that it's just like you can't compare the two like eating a wild animal and the way my physique looks if like that's just we want to just scarf that one thing alone like just my physique it's just generally like so much more robust when I'm eating wild animals and eating less food than when I'm in town with access to Heats of food it's just like crazy uh I've noticed that as well um and I've noticed also that older animals seem to satisfy me more and they just they just taste better as well they have a more more rich flavor I guess you could say I I got a source like a 10 year old cow that just you know grass-fed his whole life just lived out in a bath and passion that was it and never had any grains or anything and um and that first of all smelled a lot differently the smell of the meat there's just something fresh and and just wholesome to it and when I ate it I just it just like supercharged me I need I needed way less it was much more lean as well so I was actually getting a lot less fat but I was much more satisfied I was I was much more satiated and I felt a lot better as well and and like say I ate much less of that and I felt better too so I think there is something to that and I think um obviously the animal being healthy and eating its natural diet it plays a big role but also I think that just being an older animal as well I think it just becomes more nutritious as as more years to just deposit uh nutrients and that and that's where that flavor comes from you know like like veal or even like you know young steer year two-year-old uh you know Steer that we buy at the market I mean it takes to find out because we we are used to it but in comparison to like a like an older Animal a continual account like it almost has no flavor in comparison I've noticed that and I think that that's just the deposition of nutrients I think yeah I've noticed um like eating the wild animals especially with like the cattle like the the stuff I get from town here now it um has a more mild gentle flavor um as well as like the meat's a lot softer from the stuff in town but like the wild stuff is way harder like I'd always get really good jaw muscles but also like the the flavor is so much more strong like you can taste the cow like it's just like wow that's really strong which is surprising for most people that maybe have it for the first time like it can probably be a little bit much because you're like wow that's like a really strong flavor but on the opposite side of that organ Meats I find when I buy them from from like uh from town I guess it might have something to do with the the storage time that they've been stored they tend to get like this a lot stronger more um maybe not so great smell and taste but when I when I'll eat the wild organ Meats out of the animals they they nearly have like very a very mild soft smell like it's not like a very strong smell at all but the flavors also way better like after eating the wild animal ornaments I do struggle to eat the stuff from town because it's just like the taste so different yeah it's just it's so you can't compare the two it's like one is so damn good the other one and it's like I'm not exactly sure why that is like maybe it's time that it's stored versus eating something that's fresh yeah yeah that might be it I reckon I mean uh Adam I heard you talking on another podcast about eating wild boar testicles and you said it's you said they're delicious which is hard to believe and I know that most people don't eat them it's hard to accept I think yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah a couple of minutes um in my time hunting it was like definitely in The Hunting Community eating eating that kind of stuff is probably a bit of a bit of a mind mind blower for most of it most of my mates that do hunt but it's definitely been from hanging out with indigenous people and you know like seeing them eat all these like basically every organ in the animal and I was like wow okay like there's basically nothing that's off limits as far as eating and then like it's actually surprising how good different things taste and um there's also this idea it's just like generally like a big old boar you wouldn't eat it just because they are such a strong animal like the the gamey meat flavor just like and sometimes boars do get very smelly like I that's that's understandable like why that why you probably wouldn't want to eat when they get extremely horrible like the smell is so bad especially the balls are bad oh yeah but it's just like weirdly that was the best part of the pig like the testicles and the guy that was with me on the tour like even said he's like wow man like I think I can he's like he said he was like I've been buzzing for three days he's like I think I've like absorbed that energy that like testicle energy and it was just like yeah it was like oh man I wish I wish my partner was here but he was just like I need to eat these things yeah I'm solved yeah no more don't eat anymore but yeah like I'll have to agree like even myself like I feel so much more like robust and vibrant eating that stuff and it's like maybe it is a bit of a mind blower for people to eat like the testicles but if there's that like that ancient culture idea of like you you when you eat that part of the animal it's like what you need but like so we ate those testicles and it was like we just got like a testosterone shot like we felt bloody good yeah that's funny and you do you cook it or you eat that stuff Raw um you know like obviously when you watch like Instagram you see someone like liver King eating raw testicles with the wild pork in Australia like a lot of the animals I am eating like well not all of the animals but they definitely had worms and stuff like that but especially with the pork I like I'll eat raw raw beef I've eaten a lot of the like raw liver a lot of the beef animal I've eaten a lot of that Raw I guess there's that's that's still that old part of me that's like oh you know you should be careful with pork so I haven't eaten uh raw pork testicles yet but yeah well yet we'll we'll leave that we'll leave that open-ended for now but I haven't had them raw yet so how are you um how are you cooking most of the food so if you let's use a scr uh scrub cow as an example or scrub ball um are you like I suppose you don't really have time to like age it at all or dry it out and you're cooking it in a pan or are you kind of putting it just tracking it straight in the fire what's what do you go to because of the temperature um up where I am in the North you basically like say you are to harvest an animal late afternoon is the best time so you can leave it out overnight wow okay and um because of like my restrictions I've got like a 60 liter fridge in my car that's solar powered so I can only store so much meat but also you in the cooler cooler months I've left meat out for a lot longer like I've left it out for like a day and a half or something like that and that feels okay but when it's really hot you do have to you do have to be careful like I've had meat go off relatively quickly even overnight meat's gone off because it's like stays hot doesn't cool down so generally yeah you want to get it in the afternoon let it cool overnight but like we'll put it on gum leaves so like it gets airflow all the way through because what happens is like say you put it down on a flat surface that Underside is not going to be so good it'll stay wet like meat when the air touches it will get like this really tacky film and it's like that's the meat setting and that's generally what you want my indigenous mates will will take the meat home and put it put it on their table in their house and put the air con on so like they'll leave it for a few days but like because I don't have access to that stuff I just have to like give it you know give it give it a day half a day that's the max so I can let it air out unless it's cold like a cold cold weather and then I have let me stay out for a lot longer even pork like I've nearly left pork out for two days before I put it in the fridge so I'm pretty limited there as far as cooking goes the ritual after we get wild beef is the indigenous crew will take the rib bones and Chuck them straight into hot coals and we'll just eat them straight out of the fire um I have cooked a lot of meat that way as well like I do get a bit a bit um uh pressy every now and again and I'll I generally cook most of my meat in a cast iron pan so pretty much it's either yeah it's either in the fire uh straight in the hot coals or it's in the cast iron pan or sometimes if we if like say we get a decent sized animal and we're going to feed a lot of the community with it we'll uh there's a big ground oven and we'll put it in the in the ground oven or the Dundee oven they call it up there and we'll um yeah we'll cook a lot of meat in there that's that's one of the best ways to cook meat but it just takes like a full day to cook it that's all yeah yeah well that would be good and you get slow cooked because a lot of stuff is going to be very tough especially the the wild older animals as well and so like doing that slow cook would be would be really good um what about like preserving meat I mean because obviously you get you get like a big animal I guess if you're if you're hunting in a group and you have a lot of people then everyone just takes their portions out and they have enough and you know fridge space and things like that but do you know what the the or was there that you know of but traditional way of preserving meat uh the you know like you know Native Americans had pemmican you know where they dry up the meat crush it up and mix it with fat the the aboriginals have something similar do you do you do something like that as well um it's funny you mentioned panic and that's actually one of my favorite ways to uh to make like I'll make make these little pemmican bars and I'll like travel around with them they're like that's like my travel food as I'll make Chemical absolutely love pemmican um for myself personally I'd say yeah either smoking meat or air drying it would be the form of preserving it but generally just with the temperature up there and with how much I eat I don't usually worry about preserving it that way it's just like that's the last resort if I was in a survival situation that I'd do it that way from my experience with the indigenous people um I I haven't like I'm sure there probably is I haven't seen it I haven't seen any food preservation just whenever food is wanted it's got fresh oh wow that's what I've seen yeah makes sense and I guess if you're if you're working with sort of smaller animals like a bunch of kangaroo or something like that or like a crocodile I mean that'll feed a you know a whole the whole uh group of people you know for a few days or something like that uh you get a few of these things but I guess like you know if you're taking down a mammoth like you have to figure out how to how to make that thing sort of last but I guess if the you know this smaller fauna here maybe they didn't have to do that but I guess if they got like a whole you know herd of kangaroo and things like that they might that might run into that but yeah interesting but that's cool that you make you make the pemmic in as well yeah yeah yeah like I could be I could be wrong with the food preservation like that like still every time I'm hanging out with the indigenous people or you know going to museums or or hearing things or reading books like I'm always finding out new stuff that I didn't know before like there's so much knowledge to know it's like I'm not gonna admit that I I know everything like there's no way so I'm sure there is like even it was recently there's all these like really complicated fish traps that the indigenous people use which I didn't know they used that but just from from my time with them yeah like I I haven't seen any food preservation so to speak like I'm sure there is in some forms but not not exactly um but yeah it was it was a couple of years ago I heard about the pamekin and then I'll I'll like dry the mints out and then add uh dripping to it and it just absolutely like yeah actually I should go make some now actually that you've talked about yeah and so do you is that how you you grind up do you guys have a grinder so if you have like the tougher parts of the animal that you hunt would you like just grind that down and then have that as as mince and then make pumpkin out of that or what do you do with that um the pemmican is generally just something I'd personally do the indigenous guy is basically slow cook everything that's really tough like what we're saying if there's something that's super tough it's slow cooked or um we'll mince it yeah yeah to bypass and say like nothing gets wasted okay yeah and so you make pemmican out of mints and then drying out the mints and then add add uh you know rendered that to that yeah nice yeah so did you have like a like a hand grinder or what do you guys have yeah um I I think that's probably also why I get fairly fit out in the bush I I got like uh basically I've got to Scrabble and I had this this really small hand mincer and I had the mince I had to mince the whole thing and I can tell you it took me a long time with a hand menset of mince a Whole Bowl I've since went and bought an industrial mint so just because like uh um well with the indigenous guys you know just to make it more more usable but um personally before I I got to that stage I was just hand mincing everything I mean like if it was tough it was it was like at that stage I was like okay like I'm working out my jaws too much yeah then I'd mince it because it's not like the meat doesn't it doesn't taste bad just because it's tough It's just like it tastes great It's just tough but yeah like to be honest um if I was in this situation like say I was out on one of those like TV shows or something like that where I'm in a position where like something like that had to happen or if I'm out in one of my crazy Adventures really tough meet like that cut dried in the air then ground up that would be one way to make it like if I turned it into Pennington that would be one way around around that for sure that'd work pretty good yeah and you said you were on a discovery TV show too which one was that because I discovered demonstrate you yeah uh naked and afraid I was I was wondering that I was just like this guy would kill it on that yeah yeah absolutely loved it it's like one of it it is I'd have to say it's like one of the most uh transformational experiences I've ever been through to go through something that tough yeah there's definitely a level up yeah so there wasn't much food out there hey Adam no no because it was in a desert it was in a desert setting so yeah there was basically nothing yeah yeah and then uh so how did you I imagine that you would you'd have done a lot better than most people who go on that show like what was it like like walk us through it well I guess it's hard to say but it was um I guess it came down to like not so much of my hunting skills uh it was more of like my foraging ability and like a lot of stuff I used to do as a kid with my dad out fishing you know like collecting um catching small fish or catching yabbies or um crabs like a black hand or making uh or what we'd do it actually when I was a kid we'd Thai meat to a piece of string and we'd throw it out in the water and then you'd wait you'd see this like it did see something tugging out the string and then you'd slowly pull the string in and you'd have a little net a little net or a scoop waiting and then you'd pull the yabbies or fish or crabs into the net and then you'd scoop them out of the water and it was funny when I was out there you got a lot of time and I just I'd have a lot of time to really sit there and really think about how to extract food from a location you're in and I was sitting there really thinking about it and then the the lady I was with my partner she made a fish trap and I thought that's it I've got to make a little a little scoop so I weaved up this scoop and I got to use it a few different ways I'd either I'd I'd bait the water up and I'd wait for the fish to to come into the scoop and then I'd scoop them up or I was just actively just scooping fish out of the water or I'd yeah I had a few different ways that I would use that but it worked and I was like wow look how crazy that something's so simple yeah like that but then the the uh like when I was a kid I'd just grabbed stuff out of the water and in the end that was like one of the most that was like the biggest food reward um that I had was like there was these freshwater crabs walking around I was just grabbing them by hand so yeah it was just crazy that like it it's not as extreme or as like fancy as you think it would be it was this really simple low energy but like it was very efficient yeah how long were you out there for it was it was 21 days yeah it's a long time so the actually the probably the biggest food reward I got was I I'd walk pretty far and I walked up there's like this real Rocky Mountain and I was up there and I was actually trying to find some snakes or scorpions I was like because I was just that hungry I'm like right I'm gonna try to I'm going to eat anything and you know I had heard there was like snakes or scorpions in the area and I thought that'd be great like that'd be that'd be a pretty good feed and when I was up there I could like hear these bees and I thought I said I was like that sounds like bloody bees and then I found this big cave and it was full of bees I looked in there and it was just full of honey and comb and I thought all right I've never done this before but I think I'm gonna have a crack at smoking these guys out because there was so much honey in there yeah I'd never done it before and like obviously the show like the premise of the shop is that you fully naked so I walked back down I've carried some hot coals back up to this cave um it didn't really get shown in the TV show but the lady I was with she had to make she had to make these shoes because um in Australia we call them like goat head Thorns but there was these thorns in the sand and you literally could not walk on them they were that bad so she made these shoes so we could get back up there I kind of just walked through the Thorns trying to muscle my way through it was yeah we got back up to the cave never done it before smoked the bees out and it bloody worked and then I got all this honey and I literally come out of the cave and I was just like from head to toe just covered it's listening and dripping and hunting Winnie the Pooh coming out of there yeah yeah it was it was really the greatest feeling he could see like from not having any food to having all that um those carbohydrates my body just got like so swollen I like kind of bodybuild the stage I was just like wow but um it didn't last long I ate it pretty quick yeah oh that's funny that's awesome though like so at the end of that is it just uh you survive you make it out of there is there like a reward at the end you did you is there is it a competition or is it just see if you can do it it's more just like to see if you can do it you know what I mean like it's just that's the added challenges like seeing if you can make it all the way to the 21 days like they do have extended versions of the show like 40 days 60 days which I'd love to do one day I've only done for 21. so I made it all the way to the end and my partner did as well so yeah it's like can be proud of that for now and then hopefully one day you'll get to try something a bit more extreme yeah I'd love to see you on a loan yeah oh mate I would love to get on there myself like it's so crazy because like in I'm naked and afraid you basically only have like one item or two items that you can use but on a loan yeah yeah you get 10 items and I'm just like I'd probably I'd be like oh it's a much colder environment that's one thing that as well that's where that low body fat percentage and the cold is brutal like you really feel the temperature when you get low body fat yeah but I guess you have clothes too so that that's one thing you're not you're not naked up in Alaska or something like that yeah I'd probably still do it naked yeah um but they like make your own clothes like when you take down the moves or something like that you like you know where it's head yeah yeah we'll say if I ever get on there we'll see uh and um and your nutrition now Adam are you uh are you primarily carnivore or you know what what works for you um I guess I've recently got into a lot of whole whole Czech stuff and I guess he's got like three types of of eating so to speak there's like polar equatorial and um I forget what it is but it's like more flexible but basically I guess if you split the plate for each of the individual diets like one diet it's like half and half like half your plate would be meat half or like meat or protein half your plate would be vegetables or you know some kind of plant and then for the polar type which I he's got like a food test I did the test and basically most of my plate should be meat and only a very small portion or a garnish in my plate should be plants and then there's like obviously the other diet which is like mostly plants a little bit of meat but through the testing I I could even tell you like I I knew that wasn't going to be me yeah um just through my own experience like I I initially went paleo and it worked great for a couple of years and then it looked like it got to that stage where I was like getting super bloated and at the time um I remember going to this health food shop and the lady said to me she's like oh it's because I'm eating too much meat I'm getting bloated from all the meat that I'm eating and even at the time I was like oh like I don't even really feel like I'm like I'm eating that much meat but I was like okay so I started to um back my meat off more and more because I I guess I know what she was trying to tell me she was like I need to go plant-based and I was like all right like I'm open to anything like that's cool I started to go more plant-based completely open-minded like I hadn't had no judgment like Carnival wasn't as prominent as it is now uh plant-based was obviously pretty popular at that stage so I was like okay yep I'm open to anything if it works it works I'm like I'll I'll do anything if it works I started to get more plant-based and my symptoms got worse and worse the bloating diarrhea everything just got like really bad and I thought all right and I think at that time I'm pretty sure it was around the time I listened to a Joe Rogan podcast and it might have been Sean Baker that that Mansion Carnival anyway it wasn't it wasn't well known at that stage and even that time I was like absolutely myself but I was like the reason I went I had a crack at carnival was I actually started to back the plants off and I noticed I was feeling better and I wasn't having like so much stomach upset I wasn't getting bloated a lot of my issues went away and I was like all right there might actually be something here and it was at the same time I'd heard about carnivore so I was like all right what happens if I just remove all plants I was like so scared I'm like I'm probably gonna die if I don't eat plants oh that's like that's where I was at I just had no I had no idea what I was in for it literally was is probably the best I've felt to date because I like I removed everything but then I guess I'm always never one to to want to get stuck in one place like I'm I'm always the goal for me is like all right in a survival situation I should have the ability to be able to eat plants if I have to and meet if I have to depending what I have available to me so that's that's more why like I'm still trying to add plants in and and work it out and it was so weird to say this but it was actually by going carnivore was what healed my guts enough to be able to eat plants again it's like that's how it works it's counterintuitive yeah yeah so it was like and it was weird I become intolerant like eggs and um it was just these weird foods that I was having super bad reactions to and then after carnivore I was like I could eat eggs again that was just like these foods that I was super sensitive to I could add them back in and even now where I'm at like I'm definitely uh still having some reactions to some plants but nothing like before like what I can eat now is a hundred times better than what it was before but I do still find um like that Polar Diet in the pole check system seems to be that if I am going to eat plants at all it just has to be small amounts like I can't just something to do with my makeup which is made way more complicated than I want to get into because I don't really know what I'm talking about but I definitely seem to do better if I have less plants and then the the more reasoning that I've I've sort of worked out is I definitely I've noticed that I do have a parasite and fungal issue so I think that's potentially what a carnival is working so good for me is that like I was starving a lot of the fungal stuff and the parasite stuff like really starving them of the food so that's why when I was not eating like when I do eat plants and stuff like potentially a lot of the starchy stuff is why I'm getting so bloated and um I'm still dabbling in that at the moment but I I definitely have found and if I have yeah depending on the food I eat it definitely seems to be a thing that like I guess because my gut bacteria is out of whack which is one thing that Carnival really helps because like if I go carnivore and then add plants back in I'm fine but if I start having too many plants and starchy things then I'll start to flare up my gut symptoms so like carnivore is always the safe place I can go back to it's always the reset it's my safe Zone it's more like yeah I'm going to these extremes to work out how to add plants back in which is like the craziest thing I'd ever thought I'd be doing so yeah well I mean but it makes sense because you do get there's so many things in Plants I mean the way the way I came to this um from from eating carnivore was like it was like 22 years ago when I was taking cancer biology and we just learned how toxic plants were and this is how they naturally defend themselves you know studying botany and biology and this is just how plants defend themselves they use toxins and and you know we don't have all the the buildup of uh of herbivores for you know to eat plants as readily as they do but even even herbivores they eat very specific plants because they have the defenses to the poisons in those plants but they don't have the defenses in other plants and they'll get very sick if they eat other plants and so there are a lot of things like you know different lectins and other things you know like um wheat germa gluten in is a classic example of causing leaky cotton actually damaging the connection and binds between the enterocytes in your in your intestine and then all these different plant toxins get into your body get into your system bacteria gets in your system and and it just causes uh your your health to go haywire and so after several months of just completely getting rid of that you know those tight junctions will heal your gut will heal and your glycocalyx will heal all these things will will while you're your defense mechanisms will will tighten up again and then so you actually can reintroduce some of these things more safely because they're not slipping into your systemic circulation your body can actually have barrier protection and keep a lot of this stuff out so that makes that makes perfect sense and we see a lot of people especially with autoimmune issues they have to be much more careful as well and so but again after sort of three months six months on a carnivore diet they can and a lot of them will they'll really need to be like on like grass-fed red meat you know they really can't even deal with pork and chicken and eggs certainly not dairy and then after six months or so they can actually tolerate some of those things again and and so it has a lot to do with that when your body sort of heals and it actually has these has much more robust defenses whereas if if we're just eating all this stuff for decades eventually you just wear down the system you know you just You Break Down The Walls you know and and uh so uh that makes that makes perfect sense you sort of discovered all of that just on your own just through through trial and error yeah yeah I guess because of like the more remote area that I'm from um a lot of the stuff that's well known now I didn't have access to that at the time like I feel I wasn't even well known it's like being more recently that it's like yeah mainstream this information but it was like yeah like going carnivore um and even like listening to like Rob wolf and stuff even I know he had like a Paleo autoimmune protocol which I tried for a while and I was like yeah like it worked great and even now he'll say he's like probably Carnival is the best approach for someone with an autoimmune condition and even though um I'm pretty sure I've had like autoimmune stuff in my blood tests it's still not definitive um I just sort of Labor myself as having an autoimmune condition because I'm I definitely have noticed that I've got like a very severe and I've had genetic testing done since in um genetic testing I've had blood tests done and I'm definitely I have the Celiac Gene and I have severe reactions to gluten so you know I have that um more recently I did have some issues in my authority and recently when I started playing around some Dairy again like I hadn't here like I thought maybe I'd healed more than I had but obviously hadn't and maybe just Dairy is not for me but yeah gluten and dairy are two things that I just have to completely just avoid when I when I do go carnivore I I am more robust like my body will just I don't even have to work out and I'll see that like I think I'm at like 77 or 70 something kilos now but when I went Carnival and I I was way more strict my body was like 83 kilos and I was like yeah not even doing anything and it's just like my body just wanted to hold muscle yeah yeah that was it was makes sense I mean I I think that you know I mean I argue that just from a biological perspective humans are carnivores and so this is just our natural way of eating and then we're just going to be healthier when we do that um I think that two I don't think you have to worry about um you know if you're in a survival mode if you know what planets are safer to eat like you should be fine like in fact the longer you're away from these things the better you'll be because you know your body's going to be you know uh very very healthy and have its defenses up against a lot of these toxins you know and if you really do need to transition over to eating carbohydrates or eating um these other other uh plants that have these sort of Defense chemicals in them you know your body will adjust and will adapt and and maybe it'll be like a you know a few days that you're you're sort of an adjustment period but your body will will be able to adapt pretty pretty much right away like you don't have to keep your body primed for that in fact like your liver you know is making tons and tons and tons of enzymes and they're used for different things but they get used up in different processes and so if you're eating different plants with different toxins then your liver is detoxifying these things and it's sort of running out of these these enzymes maybe build more and build up a tolerance to it but um you know I yeah I wouldn't I just as a personal sort of these advice I don't think you need to worry about losing your ability to eat plants um you know just by by saying often I actually think you'd be probably in in stronger position the longer you stay away from them you know and then again that's Survival uh period and hopefully you don't you don't end up in one of those you know well actually I do I want to go whatever you do yeah yeah alone season nine yeah yeah but that's that's where I'm at now I have found it's just like it you know I've I've tried to add more and more plants in at my own decrement doesn't you know I've tried gaps um which debt that helped in its own way a lot of the broths and slow cooked meats like that that I won't knock that but I do feel it's just like it's undeniable when I eat mostly meat and this is just where I'm at and just I've I've been playing around with all this stuff for years and years when I eat mostly meat only a small amount of plants but ones I can tolerate I feel better yeah and it's just like you're preaching to the choir man yeah exactly um it's interesting what you say when I was on that challenge of naked and afraid there was um I did like I started eating some water reads but I did notice like because they were so starchy I I actually started to get some of my stomach issues back from those like I started to get a little bit of diarrhea um which I wasn't really getting from like the bugs and the crabs and and that stuff that I was eating um and also there was these Acacia beans and they tasted like sugar and lemon and um that like with that stuff uh and this is where it was complicated like it for me personally probably even in survival situation it would have been hard for me to like solely live off plants because um maybe it's just from myself personally like I felt like I was tolerating what when I'm in the wild like especially when I'm up in indigenous land and stuff eating the wild berries and stuff up there I seem to tolerate them great like a lot of the wild Foods don't seem to be as harsh on my body but like a lot of wild Foods plants in Australia are extremely toxic so you've got to be careful as well but back to Naked and Afraid there was these Acacia beans and um I definitely had a limit to what I could eat like I couldn't push it any further and I'd I'd eat them for a fair while and I just could not my body could not tolerate any more than roughly a handful handful what was happening was like my lips were literally splitting apart and it was just like they were super um I guess we'll say acidic which should have been helping me in a way like having me like I'm guessing like maybe having a more acidic stomach or something should have helped me but yeah there was like a limit that I could eat eat those and like it was just my body knew and it wouldn't it just I would just have like zero appetite for any more than roughly a handful and if I did try to force any more I'd get this rash around my mouth the mouth and my lips would start to split it was just like and it was the same with like the um the watery tubers on the bottom it was like I could only eat so many and it was like my body was just like we're done so it was interesting and it was just like through that experience I was like it there was a bit of an eye opener it was like I didn't yeah it was just like like proof and putting like protein and and meat really being a strong easy food source for me that didn't give me many reactions but even trying to like go heavy on the plants and stuff didn't didn't go that way at the end of the day yeah and that's the thing too is that if you're eating the sort of the same plants all the time that have the same toxins and your body will not be able to defend it as well anymore you have to go through alternate uh ways of of breaking it down but also they're gonna they're not going to be able to break it down as much you'll get more of a Toxic effect and you'll run out of these enzymes this is why you don't take um uh grapefruit we don't eat grapefruit when you're taking different medications because they have different toxins in them like throughout coumarins that are toxic and your body has to detoxify these things in your liver and then you run out of those enzymes or those enzymes are also what's processing and metabolizing the medications you're on so it gets all Haywire it's either not working enough or or it's a much higher dose and you end up with toxicities uh or not or it's not working so um you know if you're ever going to eat plants you want to eat like a little bits of a variety and change it up you never want to eat like the same sort of thing like you know every meal and that's probably part of the problem too is when people people do you go PlayPlace or just even even eating a standard diet sort of even consistent things you know they're eating like spinach salads every day every day it's spinach salads and carrots or whatever and they get this buildup and their body is just not able to over overcome it because yes uh defenses get overwhelmed you know yeah yeah exactly I definitely cannot agree with that yeah yeah you saw firsthand you know and just like a little bit more um a more in your face with those more serious sort of reactions as well yeah and even uh clearly like living out in the wild and and hunting and fishing and foraging since you were a kid or you I mean so you have you have a pretty good idea of what plants you can get away with eating and even and even then you were you were finding you had to you had to limit it it sounds like realistically even depending on the location plants are pretty hard but pretty hard to come by depending on the season as well so it's like it's your food source like the protein meat sort of foods are definitely more of the go-to as far as like you know really getting the bang bang for your buck as far as like real long-lasting like energy is anyway I think yeah definitely and then and then would your Aboriginal friends would they are are they eating many plants if they if they don't have to or is it just sticking to me if they have meat um to be honest like the like indigenous communities aren't really eating that great like there's a lot of health issues in indigenous communities and that's one of my biggest passions is like um like I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything I love just when I go up there and I eat the way I do and do the things I do and I'm passionate about the fishing and hunting that you know hopefully they're like oh okay like you know maybe eating less bread and sugar and flour and that stuff from drinking less soft drink like hopefully you know because it yeah it in short really like indigenous communities uh in a bit of a bad place at the moment as far as health health goes it's like they have access to so much good food but I guess they're just bombarded through the shops and stuff they're like the quality of food as far as the shot goes that they have access to um isn't great yeah like they definitely that they're bombarded with some pretty crappy Foods is like the nicest way I can say it and um it just sucks you know like just to see some of the health issues that happen it's yeah it is pretty heartbreaking actually so um yeah I don't know I've seen with my mates like they've definitely changed the way they eat a little bit after seeing how I eat like I've definitely seen a reduction in like how much bread they eat and swapping it out for some other stuff which is great but ultimately it's like yeah I don't want to be in that position where I'm trying to force anyone to do anything it's like I just do do my thing and they you know if they take anything away from that that's that's great but more just like that getting them more passionate about like the the wild stuff which is probably a bit better than the shop stuff so you'll when you're out there you'll kind of be the one that's sort of leading the charge like hey let's go out hunting or no definitely not no all right absolutely love hunting it's usually like I'm the one who's who's trying to have a bit of a rest because I'm I'm like worn out from all the hunting and then they'll they'll turn up and they're like we're going out again I'm like oh crap okay but then they also eat the kill as well yeah we totally share it so generally um to be honest I I it's got to that stage now it's like I'm most just hunting with the indigible people like it's only yeah like I go hunting by myself like yeah not as much as I used to just because I just I do enjoy going out with them a lot more so yeah like it's just like I love that camaraderie and like that oh yeah you know going out and that that whole hunting aspect of like everyone doing on it for a purpose doing it for food and um and that like that bed also doing it as well like they're they're split it up between a lot of families like um yeah like they're really stretching the food out that's why we end up hunting so much is because like we're feeding so many people community yeah yeah and then uh it's being stages where like say someone's car's broken down or um something like that I've had it had the call like what my indigenous mates being like hey can you go out and get like a cow or a pig like where where the fridge is empty and I'm like all right then I'll go out with the bar and I'll get it done and process up a cow by myself and bring it back yeah um Adam I'm sure everyone says this to you but Anthony and I are actually legit we want to come out hunting with you and we want to experience life with you in the bush yeah what sort of opportunities do you have for people us at this stage I've never I've never advertised anything it's just been through word of mouth and initially just started a couple of my mates and uh people seeing what I was doing and they're like oh hey can I come out and experience this with you and um I was a little bit hesitant in the beginning but yeah I've started to um you know like it won't be a lot of people but yeah like every now and again I'll let it let a couple of people out there with me and and uh yeah get to experience the the uh the way I've been living like we don't bring any food it's literally whatever we we catch over the 10 days if we don't catch anything then we're gonna be pretty hungry um and yeah like just really immerse ourselves into that that kind of the way of life and yeah absolutely I love it and I'm so pumped any anytime someone wants to come up with me and and experience it I'd love to take you take you guys up there it'll probably be one of the hardest things you ever do yeah no I've always wanted to do something like that like seriously that was one of the that was one of the big like drives for me like coming to Australia was just like they have this like fantasy of like me someone like yourself or like native Australians and just be like and they just go out of the Bush and just like just live out in nature for a while and just and just you know be a man in the wild and like just kill things with your hands and you know just see what that's like because I I'm just getting more and more uh interested in that and just more and more uh I don't know just worn out with with just awful modern technology and stupid phones so on this stupid thing all stupid day and I hate it and I just want to like get an excuse to just get the hell away from it and just this experienced life how it's like supposed to be lived you know my only warning would be uh you might not want to go back to normal that's it yeah well you know but like at least that would tell me that and be like okay well I just need to just get a ranch somewhere and just you know just just peace out you know and that's the thing in America a lot of people just do just just don't walk about as well and they just there's all these these uh state parks if it's if it's state land anyone is welcome to go there you can camp and fish and you know you need permits for certain things but um you can just go out onto state land and and most of the western states like 90 95 percent of the land is state land which is I don't know it's kind of but it's uh but that's that's how it is and so there are people that just go off grid and just go out and just live in the woods and just and just live there and they just this is what they do you know which is just crazy and uh so you don't even need to buy a ranch you can just just go off into the woods and just hang out you know and um you can't really build a house or a cabin or anything like that unless you like hide it I guess but like you know but it's uh but people do it and um no it would be it would be amazing I think that's that's uh sort of the dream just being out having land and just being like a old school Homesteader and just like living off the land and just just being completely self-sufficient just you know just being your own your own man you know I think that's amazing and I mean and and on that I need some toughening up I got you know I got soft I got soft computer hands you know it's time for you know Anthony and I should have done this a long time ago but it's time we become real men and uh I think you leading us out in the bush would uh would really solidify that yeah but uh when you guys are ready I'd be honored to take you through that little rite of passage that'd be badass I would love to and so just just a quick question as well like you know Simon mentioned like me going on adventures with uh you know the native boys like is that is that mostly hunting trips or did you do do anything else out in the out in the wild like that um I guess we've gone out like sometimes especially in the wet season we'll go out just to go go swimming and that generally in the wet season time that's when the the berries and stuff are out so we'll go at my collection barriers and go do some swimming stuff with all the kids and um we've gone out sometimes just to explore caves but generally it's just hunting and fishing it depends what they feel like eating or what the season is it's like when the barramundi you're on then we're eating fish uh you know when the wallabies are in season we're getting wallabies it just entirely depends what the season is and what the animal is going to be but generally yeah we're mostly we're mostly going out on Hunting Adventures it's probably not exactly in your mind what you think it's going to be like it's like we're on Old busted four-wheel drives going out sometimes they're catching cows with motorbikes or we like chase them and catching them by hand but generally everything ends with catching catching something by hand yeah I mean jumping off a Jeep and onto a cow and like wrestling to the ground that definitely sounds like an adventure yeah it's not exactly technically the way that I do it I I I'm more of like I try to be a little bit more of a purist like maybe wait on a water hole for an animal to come in and then just literally I have to check it from scratch is is if use came out is more include like it's more likely what we'll be doing um but yeah it's uh can guarantee it's free to be the craziest thing you ever do we'll see we'll see two and then you set up things where like maybe you'll have like you know work like Velociraptors where one like chases out here it into like a pack of the rest of the pack and they just jump them well this is a thing like I I've generally um oh well I've had people come out on tour with me before and um even with two people you can kind of like steer an animal back to the other person when you're chasing it with just two people so um no Raptors just people but um yeah like so I cannot like I can't even imagine what it'd be like if you had more people on the ground chasing something like I've seen with the indigenous guys they're gonna be like Five Guys um distracting an animal where someone runs up behind it and grabs it but yeah it's like you can see why when you've got more people it definitely makes the situation a lot easier so yeah that'd be interesting well I'm interested to tackle some kangaroos see how that goes good luck maybe maybe a cow would be in here I think yeah uh well a cow's definitely not easier but um technically we'll probably just be catching pigs and and Bulls so it's not going to be easier than a kangaroo but it's going to be um okay that's probably the road we're going to go down as long as they got balls that's fine yeah is yeah we'll get some good footage of you eating some balls out in the bush oh no yeah yeah well they're getting cooked there's actually a thing in Montana where they where they you know when they process all the steers and they castrate all the all the young uh um bull you know cows Bulls now steers and they they just have just you know tens of thousands of these you know testicles and so they call it the testicle festival and they just have all these like food stairs and just like cook these things up fry them up you just like all the food stands are just all like you know testicle and testicle related uh food stamps and then later that night it's um you know it just turns into a raucous continent yeah yeah have you guys uh tested like the testicles so far yeah like the testicles I've never tried that myself no yeah it's actually surprising it's probably if I'm honest it's probably as far as like taste goes it's one of the easiest parts of the animal to eight it's like it actually just it tastes so good it's actually weird it it's you might think it's like you're like oh wow this is going to be crazy it's probably one of the easiest parts of the animal to eat as far as flavor goes like it's just so easy it's fine yeah I don't know how I feel about that yeah I'm trying to like no definitely try it I I just don't know I don't know if I'd like the thought in my head it was like I like the taste of that you know I don't think I want to know that about myself if you're finding that easy then we'll do the pizzle oh what's that oh you said the penis no no pass things that necessary let me go sit here anyone who's eating like a sausage or a salami or something like that you've you've eaten that you know that's just that's just what they just grind up anything and put that in sausages that's actually the texture of testicles they taste just like as if you're eating a sausage or something it's got like literally the same texture yeah yeah it's about to compare to anything it's just like that's kind of how easy it is I feel to eat that's my that's my view on it like everyone might not see it the same way when they actually come to the point of eating it it could be a little bit different yeah well I've seen I've seen a video of one guy doing and he was he was definitely going for shock value and he's like cutting yourself oh yeah that's great he's smooshing down slurping in I was like oh yeah now and uh and he's doing it on purpose you know he's really trying to try to freak people out but he looked it looked you know it looked like it was uh you know consistency wise it was and texture-wise probably yeah it would be quite easy to eat uh just on its own yeah without doing too much special yeah well we'll hopefully uh we'll find out I guess yeah we're really gonna find out all right um I think we'll wrap there Adam thank you so much for joining us you've got so many great stories and you know it was really fun chatting with you thank you uh thank you gentlemen for for having me on I really appreciate it thank you that was awesome yeah we'll have to do it again and definitely uh definitely plan on coming up that's uh that's uh that would be awesome if we can do that