KetoCon Austin 2022 "Why We Are Carnivores" with Dr Anthony Chaffee, MD

chronic diseases are caused by the food we eat or don't eat and can be reversed with simple dietary changes all right up next give a big ketocon 2022 welcome to dr anthony chafee [Applause] all right well thank you very much everyone for coming out uh this is my first uh keto con to my first talk of this nature in general so it's very bold of the uh managers to put me up on the main stage hopefully i don't mess it up so um i'm talking about why we're carnivores and obviously why this matters as well so when we're talking about carnivore herbivore or or omnivore it's important to sort of define our terms we get told that we're carnivores or maybe we're omnivores this wasn't really contentious for a long time we were told they were apex predators top of the food chain that really means that we're carnivores we're eating all the animals below us on the food chain what is an omnivore any any realistic usable definition of the word omnivore to me means one of two things either you can eat plants and meat indiscriminately or you know and get equal nutrition from them or at least no harm or you can um or you there are things in meat that you have to eat so you have to eat some meat and there are things in plants that you have to eat because you can't get them from meat we don't fall into either of these two categories there are things in meat that we have to have that we cannot get from plants there is nothing in plants that we have to have that we cannot get from meat if you're only eating meat okay so what is the evidence for this there's there's actually just a ton of evidence for this we look at it from all sorts of different parameters biologically anatomically evolutionarily different uh populations currently and historically who exclusively ate meat and thrived doing so metabolically as well and the last one is really botanically the fact that that plants are living organisms they like to stay living organisms and all living things can defend themselves and while an animal can run away or fight back plants can't so they use other sort of defense mechanisms one of those is defense chemicals so biologically if you look at our gastrointestinal tract we are primates right so we have a similar gi tract we have specific differences our stomach ph is very low it's about 1.3 to 1.5 this is where we see like vultures and carrying animals that really need to contend with a lot of bacterial load we don't see this in herbivores usually they're around the five or six mark more neutral we have a longer small vowel and we have a shorter large bowel this is the opposite in herbivores we also have a particular difference in azar our appendix this little little vestigial organ right so vestigial meaning that it used to do something millions of years ago and now it does nothing well millions of years ago it was this four foot long second there's this blind pouch that fiber would pack into and that's what would break down the bacteria there would break this down into short chain fatty acids which is what the herbivores who eat fiber get the majority of their nutrition from is actually still fat so fat makes the animal kingdom go round unfortunately we don't have that or maybe fortunately we don't have the ability to break down fiber to get fats we need to get it from somewhere else and so we have five organs all working in concert just to absorb fat so the stomach starts to break down process the liver creates bile the gallbladder stores it the pancreas secretes enzymes that break this down further and the bile emulsifies these fatty acids and this gets taken up by the small intestine so we would not have five organs all working together just to absorb fat unless that was very very important okay and it is and we can't break down fiber to get this fat so we have to get this from the animals that have already done the hard work for us you know the cows and the and the other herbivores that have have been have the ability to break down fiber and get the fat out of it now we're just using them as a filter they also filter out the different toxins as well so it's not just that it's not useful to us it actually causes harm so you actually get colon disease called diverticulosis which is a failure and an out pouching of your distal colon and this causes all sorts of disease you can get surgery you could die and the only things that have been even associated with this are higher fiber intake and more bowel motions a day so you're overworking this organ and eventually it fails just like your heart can fail your colon can fail as well crohn's ulcerative colitis these sorts of diseases are are generally exacerbated in the extreme by eating fibrous foods and when you put people on an elemental diet which is basically just the constituent nutrients macromicro that you need without any of the extra fluff they that has a better efficacy in getting people into remission and staying in remission than steroids okay so simple dietary changes can it can seriously affect people's lives okay and just to jump back a bit you know why why is this important the reason is that you know we are animals and so we will have a common diet we'll have something that is optimal for our biology species specific diet now any zookeeper can tell you that if you feed an animal something that it doesn't eat in the wild something it didn't evolve on it gets sick but what does it get sick with because obesity heart disease liver disease diabetes cancer arthritis autoimmune issues the whole candid dogs and cats are known carnivores and yet we feed them grain and plant-based kibble they get the same diseases we get the same diseases veterinarians are now saying that animals are have a huge uptick in human diseases well these human diseases like diabetes like heart disease like cancer don't exist in in nature in the animal kingdom by and large that we've seen but they were also not called human diseases they were called western diseases not that long ago because the western civilizations that had agriculture and would come to australia come to north america they noticed that the people there would not get these diseases of the west okay so now we just got so used to it we just think this is aging this is normal these are human diseases they're not this is from inappropriate diet so anatomically you know people talk about like oh well we have these flat teeth you can look at them and uh and that means they're they're an herbivore just like a horse has flat teeth but that's not what what flat teeth means it's not like just a flat in the front vitamin means planar and can slide across each other like a millstone and grind down this fiber okay so that's what flat teeth are now we have bicuspid teeth if you clench down and try to move your jaw side to side it's not going to go anywhere that's because we don't have flat teeth but we do have primate teeth we have similar teeth to other primates but they have specific carnivorous adaptations they didn't turn into you know big uh you know big fangs and and claws or anything like that because we don't kill things with our mouths we didn't need to develop that so in fact we were eating meat which is softer and that doesn't take big teeth to do so we're eating softer and softer food so our teeth are getting smaller our jaws are getting smaller our muscles of mastication the temporalis muscle there is getting smaller and smaller if you look at the gorilla here most of that head is temporalis muscle most of that is the muscles of mastication massive jaw massive teeth actually big they don't eat meat they do use those defensively so we're not chewing on sticks all day like a gorilla so we don't need those big massive jaws they look at our shoulders we have rotational shoulders we can overarm throw we can throw rocks we can throw spears this is used in hunting so an average man can throw a baseball 60 miles an hour a chimpanzee best they could do is probably 20 miles an hour they don't have that rotational capacity in their shoulders and that that's for hunting then you have the the orientation of your eyes this is very very typical of predator versus prey you have four facing eyes you have to see in three dimensions and you can lock in on a target and go and get it okay that's that's very typical of predator you know vision and then prey has a much wider range and so they can see you know dangers on each side of them okay and we have those forward-facing predator eyes um some people talk about you know color vision like oh well this is this is this is more rivers to look at different colored fruits and things like that and that's fine maybe that's where that came from in our herbivorous past but you don't lose a trait unless there's an evolutionary survival advantage to losing that trait in fact some people have that there are people that are color blind or red green color blind actually helps them see in low light uh scenarios and actually see animals hiding in bushes and foliage and things like that so actually there are those adaptations so evolutionarily about six to eight million years ago our ancestors split off from other primates by eating meat they started eating meat starting to eat more and more meat more and more meat started getting more and more adaptations to our current iteration okay one of those was the teeth getting smaller jaws getting smaller but also our brains getting bigger because we didn't have the physical characteristics to take down a large you know large game uh with just our you know our teeth and our claws we didn't have them so we had to develop our brain luckily for us we didn't have those physical characteristics so we developed our brain we developed tools we started figuring things out so the smarter people that could figure out how to take down an animal that outclassed us by every physical metric allowed us to evolve into what we are today and use tools develop tools develop tactics and that's why we live in houses and lions don't and i'm happy for that but i'd rather have that than the claws so we started using tools actually pretty early on uh there's evidence going back millions of years that they were using pound some they take this rock and smash open the skull of a dead animal and they would get at the brain that was one of our earliest uh forms of meat nutrition very nutritious brain about 3.3 million years ago started getting the first work tools this is something that you know dr bill schindler will be able to tell you guys a lot more about but um this developed and continued on okay then you get to the ice ages ice where dice ages started about two and a half to three million years ago uh we're actually still in an ice age that's why we still have ice polar ice capsules didn't exist about two and a half to three million years ago when that happened obviously ice is going to kill things and it took out a lot of the you know the plant life took a lot a lot of the animal life that survived on those plants the only things that were surviving in these ice times were the big megafauna like the mammoths and then the carnivores and the predators that were hunting them this forced genetic selection for those early humans that were already hunting animals they were already eating meat they had tools and they were able to survive and so the other ones that weren't as adapted they died off okay this thing called the stable isotope study where you take a look at certain isotopes in the uh fossil and fossils that you find and this is very clear uh evidence for what these animals were eating at the time so you can see a lower rating would be herbivores they're just eating plants and then you see animals that eat the animals they eat plants and they have a higher rating and then you go up the food chain of you know predators eating predators eating predators that are eating herbivores you know you're having an even higher carnival rating early humans and well early open sapiens even and neanderthal like 50 000 years ago and beyond they had a higher carnivore rating than other carnivores live at the same time lions foxes wolves and so forth because we're eating the lions and the foxes as well so we actually were again top of the food chain apex predators apex predators don't graze you know lions don't eat grass and i've never seen a great white shark eat kelp for roughage we did the the stabilized adobe study with ancient egyptians so there's tons and tons and tons of mummies in mummified remains in egypt actually millions and so there's a lot of good information there found out that this is the bread basket of the ancient world and so you know obviously they're eating a lot of grains eating a lot of bread but they also had a lot of health issues that you can see by this statue even their artwork reflected the fact that they had gynecomastia in men and pot bellies we see that they uh had atherosclerosis in some of these people and and the thought was well these were these are first looking at pharaohs that well these are these are very wealthy elites so they could afford fatty meat no we actually see this in all populations and we see that through the statewide so that studies that the commoners and the royalty were actually eating the same thing they're eating a lot of grains and we're having the same problems there's an old ancient egyptian proverb that goes half of what you eat feeds you the other half feeds your doctor right so it's already thousands of years ago they're already aware that the things that you ate actually were causing disease so there was a large study that came out of the university of tel aviv in israel and again looked at multiple different parameters including the stable isotope research and they concluded that humans were hyper carnivorous apex predators for at least two million years and we were mostly eating the meat of large animals okay so again apex predators okay you look at the fossil record our teeth uh crooked teeth small jaws these aren't actually genetic okay this is actually malnutrition so anyone who has kids and doesn't want to pay for braces you know pay for me now right because before the agricultural revolution people had perfectly stripped teeth big jaws well developed you know i always had their their wisdom teeth fully um erupted and they didn't get cavities either okay i mean do you see a bunch of cavities in the wild different animals that have crooked teeth no it's not really it's really just humans and maybe dogs and cats we feed them the wrong thing we know now from dentistry journals and research done there that this is actually from malnutrition so it's generally like a vitamin k2 deficiency which does not exist in plants you have to get this from meat but you know k2 k1 d3 and calcium all play for jaw development teeth tooth development and and oral health and this is something you can actually date these if you if you say something uh before after the agricultural revolution you can actually tell just by their their dental record we've actually gotten a lot shorter as well a lot of these uh you know big mammoth hunters that were just eating just tons of meat all the time the fossil record shows that they were actually on average about like six foot two or higher on average okay so the average adult male in america is five foot nine and it goes down from there in other in other civilizations that's not genetic that is environmental that means we're not developing to our genetic potential because we're not eating what we're biologically supposed to eat this goes into brain size as well again because we've had to to figure out how to take down these animals we've had to get smarter and so you can see over the course of millions and millions of years our brains have slowly gotten bigger and then here at around you know two to two and a half million years ago right when those ice ages hit and we went full carnivore that's when we are catapulted into our final leg of evolution into homo habilis the first true human who were full carnivores and continued on as full carnivores for millions of years and you can see the dramatic rise in our brain sizes but then look at this right at the end here is sharp decline down okay that coincides with the agricultural revolution our brains are now 11 smaller on average than they were before the agricultural revolution that is not genetic that is environmental that is through lack of nutrition okay so it's i mean we're done at this point we've already developed but you know our kids and our friends children they still have a chance and so if they aren't eating what they're biologically adapted to eat what they're supposed to eat they won't develop into what they're supposed to be so again this is about optimal nutrition for optimizing your life optimizing your health and specifically for optimizing development is that you don't get a second chance of development so all the different cultures we see there's just endless examples i'm just going to name a few uh native americans in the plains they would they would exclusively eat you know buffalo generally maybe have some berries or something like that this you know here and there but really maybe what they ate is buffalo they would dry the herd over the cliff they would crash at the bottom they would uh you know carve up these bodies they would dry them out they would make pemmican they would eat this throughout the year they're very very healthy there are plenty of records there's the dr j salisbury of the salisbury steak he lived with the native americans studied them and found these guys were living to be 110 115 years old back in the 1800s before modern medicine before antibiotics and you know they were very very fit and healthy 110 115 year olds these were these were stone age nomads living in out in the wild with a pack on their back following the buffalo herds day in and day out right they weren't just sitting in a nursing home turning to dust slowly over 40 years these were very healthy people okay the longest lived uh native american on record was the chief white wolf and he's reported to live 137 years okay and now everyone says okay well you know they're just saying that but you know they don't have a you know an official government uh record or whatever but these are their records but this is the consistent pattern that you see in these populations now that may seem far-fetched until you realize that we've known as geneticists for the last 20 years that genetically and chromosomally we are designed to live 120 years on average okay meaning that if you just stay out of your own way and don't do anything wrong just don't mess up you should live 120 years without doing anything special and yet we're dying in our 60s and 70s which is literally middle age so people say oh does it make that big of a difference like yeah i think i think 50 60 years off your lifespan is a major difference you know and the health along the way so you know they say like oh it couldn't possibly living be 110 115 but actually that's normal that should be normal i mean something's going wrong if you don't make it to 120. genghis khan and the mongol horde these guys were famously uh carnivores they just drank horse blood eight horse meat uh you know some dairy products usually fermented dairy products as well and you know they would go five days without eating and then they'd stuff themselves with ten pounds of horse speed this was very advantageous uh when you're when you're doing a conquest across two continents because they weren't as restricted as others they were much better nourished as well and so they took over the largest contiguous empire that has ever existed on earth it's the only eclipse by the british empire and that was obviously you know a naval power this is one big chunk most of asia much of europe and and and they just subsisted just on meat the inuits up north obviously there aren't any plants for these guys to eat anyway even if they wanted to which in fact they don't we have plenty of documentation from early explorers and settlers in north america to just marveling at how the ones living more southern uh wouldn't eat plants even in the in the summer and they said like okay you know i get it like during the winter everything's iced over you know they can't grow anything anyway but you know surely they could live off the bounty of the land in the summer which is always a funny thing to say but yeah so they did not they did not want to now they they may know which plants to eat medicinally they may not know which ones they can eat safely uh to you know to to to stave off starvation but by and large they just ate meat if they had meat and that's a common theme that you'll see in a lot of these populations um then the messiah these are the famous meat eaters they drink blood they drink milk they eat meat they don't eat anything else these guys look like olympic athletes they're absolutely you know very very fit and uh and active people in the 1980s they thought wow these guys are eating so much meat and fat but they're so lean they're so strong they can run forever it must be that they're exercising so much and so they studied it and they found that well actually they're only exercising you know 1.6 times more than the average sedentary american so okay we don't know what's going on with these guys it must be genetic or something australian aboriginals again these guys were hunters they were carnivores you look at missionaries uh you know writings from missionaries you look at the writings of early explorers they always talk about the diet they only eat meat they only eat fatty meat and you know they knew which plants they could eat if they needed to but when they had meat they ate meat and they didn't get the diseases of the west right except now they're i practice in australia at the moment and the australian aboriginals when i first got there i was told when you see one of these patients whatever it says their birth date is add 20 years to that because these people just age so much faster they get these diseases so much faster you know when i was seven i well route 7 i remember hearing a story about how you know um when native americans were eating a western diet they were four times as likely to get obesity heart disease diabetes cancer and the rest and i remember thinking to myself well does that mean the food is causing the disease because if they don't eat the food they don't get the disease and we eat the food and we get the disease we just get it at a lower rate you know what's a non-western diet what are they eating that we're not and vice versa i didn't know it at the time but they were just pure high fat carnivores the same is true the australian aboriginals now that they're on a western diet their health has absolutely been destroyed uh herodotus father of history very interesting guy wrote a lot of things that are worth looking into one of the one thing that i think in particular is uh good to talk about here is an interaction between the king of ethiopia and the uh emissary from the persian empire where the king of ethiopia asked hey what do you guys eat and how long do you normally live and they say well we eat bread and we eat grains and we normally live around 70 years okay it's about 2 500 years ago and the king of ethiopia just sort of laughed at this and said well no wonder you live such short lives if all you eat is dirt because you know we only eat the you know we only eat the meat from our cattle we only drink the milk from our livestock and we would live 120 years sometimes more than that and that might seem braggadocious and i'm sure many people thought that but again that's exactly what we know as geneticists we should be living to so if he was just bragging if he was just full of it he picked a very very curious number okay exactly what we know we should be living to metabolically in biochemistry we talk about a fed state and a fasting state i think this is completely wrong i think that our so-called fasting state is our primary metabolic state that's where all of our heavy machine injury comes to bear and that's the primary metabolic state of most animals in the wild as well including humans who are living as carnivores um i i'm sort of speaking preaching the choir here at ketocon talking about how you know carbohydrates are bad but they really are and when you eat carbohydrates your blood sugar goes up high blood sugar causes direct damage to your body and in a defensive pattern your body increases insulin to get this stuff out of there okay but insulin forces energy into cells it doesn't allow them to come out of cells and so now you've locked down your fat cells you cannot use them anymore you've and you've shut down your metabolism okay it also blocks leptin which is secretive from your fat stores and this goes to your brain to tell you how much energy you have do you need to keep eating or not and so your brain can't see the leptin your blood sugar is dropping and you get panic and say oh you have to eat you have to you have to eat so now you're causing uh people to overeat as well so you're gonna you switch over to a fat storage uh metabolism instead of a fat burning metabolism and you're constantly telling yourself that you have to eat more okay so this is a recipe for disaster uh it's also implicated in cancer the metabolic theory of cancer is something that's gaining more ground professor um thomas sifri from boston college is a very interesting guy i encourage everyone to to look up his work i just interviewed him again for my podcast and i'll be publishing that in a week or so he shows quite convincingly he has over 150 peer-reviewed publications on the subject that cancer is actually derived uh from a metabolic issue of damage to the mitochondria when the mitochondria which are your your energy production uh organelles in your in your cells when they get damaged they can't go through oxidative phosphorylation right so it's aerobic metabolism all of a sudden that goes into this alternate metabolisms and goes into a fermented state so it uses a lot of glucose uh because it's glucose burden it's high and this is why cancer cells take in about 400 times the amount of glucose into the cells to use this but they cannot run on ketones and so when you go into a state of ketosis you are limiting the amount of blood sugar available to these cancer cells and they can't run on the ketones anyway so this is a huge leg up when you're fighting off cancer and um and yeah this is very interesting research there are centers that are already using this such as paleo medicina they've been using a keto or carnivore-based approach for cancer treatment and other sorts of treatments for 10 to 15 years and even places like cedar sinai have picked up a ketogenic approach to cancer treatment so plants trying to kill you okay again these these things use defense chemicals in order to stop predators from eating them okay every living thing has a defense as i said okay and we know this inherently right you get lost out in the woods you run out of food you can't just eat any random plant right most of them will make you very sick or even kill you okay so why are these animals eating that well that's because plants and animals are in an evolutionary arms race plants becoming more and more poisonous so less and less animals can eat them so that they can survive and thrive and then animals becoming more and more adapted to specific poisons and specific plants so that they can eat that plant and digest the the the toxins safely so they can survive and thrive okay so this is why there are 340 000 plants in the world and quality one pandas eat one cows horses other grazing animals eat grass that's it you know the leaves that giraffe feeds are different from the leaf that it dear eats those are different from the leaves that it really eats and so on you mix those leaves around they all get sick or die okay and that's because you can have this adaptation to specific poisons but all the rest of them will kill you so if you think about it all plants are poisonous it's just that certain animals have evolved the ability to break down specific poisons safely so that they can eat them but if they eat other plants they will die as well a cow will die from eating most plants most plants will kill most animals so what are some of these do we have toxins these cause direct damage they can screw with you metabolically or physically they can tear up your gastrointestinal tract there's things like water hemlock that blocks the gaba receptors in your brain and makes it impossible for your brain to calm down your neurons okay so these are only going to excite that's called a seizure and so you're going to have intractable seizures and you will die from this you cannot stop these things you'll die within a few minutes okay you have phytohormone or phytoestrogens hormone disruptors you know we know about this with like soy soy three ounces of soy has about 10 times the amount of phytoestrogens as a fertile woman will make estrogen in a day about eight glasses of soy milk a day is enough estrogen to grow breasts in a man okay so this is this actually causes a lot of problems in our body there are nutrient blockers such as protease inhibitors from soy and protein this these block the different enzymes that come out of our pancreas that help break down and absorb the food that we eat and so when you're eating soy you're eating protein you're eating wheat you're getting these protease inhibitors and so it doesn't matter if you have you know 30 grams of protein that is coming in on this shake or whatever you're eating you're not going to absorb that because your body's being blocked by this so the plant saying hey you're going to eat me i'm going to screw with you that's how that works photosensitivity there's a thing that a lot of plants make you more sensitive to uv light you burn a lot more easily there's a thing called celery dermatitis which is if you eat a lot of celery or handled celery you will just be much more sensitive to sunlight who absolutely scorch in the sun the oil and limes because these are unripe fruit it doesn't want you to touch it that can soak in your skin you can actually get second degree burns from sunlight actually happened my my younger brother this is also why you usually don't see very tan vegans and then cyanogenic there are 2 500 different plants that that use cyanide and produce cyanide as a defense mechanism so almonds are among them bitter almonds but also things like cassava which are one of the staple diets in the third world if you don't process cassava properly the amount of cyanide will kill you okay and so generally eating plants is comes from from privation you've had to do it because you've been poor you've been uh you couldn't eat anything else um even if cyanide doesn't kill you it's still causing damage to your body and long-term even low doses of cyanide can damage your thyroid and cause neurological impairment night shades as well these are things like tobacco and belladonna but also potatoes tomatoes eggplants peppers okay these are all the nightshade family they all create or secrete solanine and other toxins which can be very harmful even today 70 people a year worldwide die from eating potatoes okay potatoes right put that in contrast put that in perspective six people a year die from eating from from shark attacks okay so potatoes are worse than sharks all right gluten this is something that a lot of people know about it's not just bad for people with celiac this damages everyone's gut linings causes damages and breaks in the the you know the cells in your gut lining causes leaky gut some of you people may have heard of this allows things to physically pass through that wouldn't be allowed in before things like bacteria things like other toxins like lectins that will cause more harm in your body they're also a protein and about 80 percent of the protein in wheat is gluten and this is not available for us there's no bioavailability really to speak up of gluten so if you say like oh i've got all this protein you know from this thing containing wheat like no you didn't actually you got it you got maybe a fifth of that lectins there's there's a large uh variety of lectins uh commonly found in beans if you don't prepare beans soak them in water boil them for a certain amount of time the lectins in there can kill you okay these are this is the plant telling you back off you know this the beans are seeds seeds are plants baby everything protects us babies more than anything this is generally where you'll find a higher concentration of poisonous in the seeds or the beans so lectins uh have a similar action when they get in through these get these gaps in your gut lining they can cause all sorts of mischief they can bind onto your insulin receptors and it can actually put you into a fat storing low metabolic state even if you're not eating carbohydrates or even if you're keto but you're taking eating things with lectins in them and you have leaky gut you are going to have this insulin response as well it's also implicated in autoimmune diseases through molecular mimicry body recognizes these things like this shouldn't be here it starts attacking it with um with antibodies those antibodies and some people are similar or the elections are similar enough to certain parts of their body that those antibodies attack them but if you remove these lectins you get these things out of your body your body stops attacking them and the spillover stops attacking your body so this is why people when people go onto a carnivore diet in particular autoimmune issues just melt away i i've yet to see someone who didn't respond exceptionally well uh with an autoimmune condition from a carnivore diet generally crohn's and ulcerative colitis will have full resolution on biopsy within three months so on a pure carnivore diet from what i've seen okay so again so we've covered all the any any way you look at this you know we really are carnivores okay that's just the kind of animal we are and the reason that that's important is because when you eat outside of your species-specific diet you get harm you're either harmed because you're nutrient-deprived and you're not going to develop properly you're not going to you'll live appropriately or you're causing direct harm to yourself you know from from the plant toxins and uh and other things some people say well you know what about what about you know different people different people are are adapted to different things maybe one diet is good for this person maybe not that person i mean to me that that really doesn't make any sense because we are one species homo sapien sapiens okay so we will have a common diet something that is optimal something that is the best now maybe there's some people that have more resistances to inappropriate diets because they had the agricultural revolution in their background and they would have more resistance than say the aboriginals okay they would get less sick but that doesn't mean it's good for them it just means it's less bad okay and you know i always ask this of people who say that it's like you find me an example in nature of two members of the same species that have different optimal diets i've yet to get an answer on that one so we are one species we have a common diet okay and so if the inuits are carnivores i would say that we're all carnivores as well and i've certainly never seen a cave painting of lettuce okay all right thank you very much [Applause] i think you have time for some questions as well if people want to come up or not we don't have to thank you that should be it yeah most of them are my my parents went on first and they just saw the results i was getting and i was just you know when i was really digging into the research several years ago i was uh you know i was just really fascinated by this and and you know talk to them about it and they thought that was uh interesting they saw the results and so they gave it a try and stayed with it my brother has as well uh you know my girlfriend al she's turned carnivore as well and just people around me you know when they they talk to me find out these things most people ask questions and i generally have the answers and so yeah most people are yeah more pictures in my fridge yeah it's like a few yeah just chopped up bodies in there so there aren't any that talk about specifically carnivore diet but but there are with elemental yeah so to be saying that you know are there any studies um showing you know carnivore diets is beneficial to to gut health not specifically carnivore this is sort of a new area but anyway there are studies that uh you know talk about uh you know meat being beneficial to use a harvard study there's a there's another study with 175 75 different countries um looking at them they found that more uh meat you ate the longer you lived the better healthy you were in so there's there's interesting things being done specifically with gut health uh not carnivores specifically but there are met there are plenty that uh have to do with um elemental diet which is just just breaking down and just getting the macros and microbes that you need and nothing else and also a fasting mimicking diet which is as we all know is just a ketogenic diet these show better efficacy than all the really expensive horrible on your body medications that we have for things like crohn's and ulcerative colitis so there is there is information that diet is extremely beneficial in studies that show that not specifically for carnivore though but i'm sure there will be and i've certainly seen that in practice sorry speak up oh no absolutely not no cargo absolutely doesn't have any negative impact you know there's people that say that like you know uh you know eating meat will uh you know contribute to colon cancer and uh and and you know and my problems with your gut uh that is absolutely not worn out by the by the evidence there was one epidemiological study that showed a very slight correlation uh with red meat and bowel cancer that's been thoroughly debunked and we don't find it even a relationship at all between red meat and bowel cancer and you know people talk about how you know fiber is so good for our gut and yet it causes these disease and yet that's the only thing associated with diverticulosis and yet when you know general surgeons will remove part of the bowel or you have diverticulitis infection of the diverticular diverticulosis they rest the bowel how do you rest the bowel you put somebody on a low fiber diet because you want you want low um you want low residue so you don't want a lot going through that okay if fiber was so good for your gut why isn't it helping in those times as well so no that that's um meat will not damage your gut at all meat is is our appropriate diet is going to be the best thing for you in any aspect of your life at any age in any description in your life yeah yeah i think you're first correct so there aren't too many studies but i've anecdotally seen a number of people benefit from ms yeah absolutely all autoimmune issues i've yet to see an autoimmune issue that doesn't benefit greatly i've several people that i know of personally a close friend of mine had ms went carnivore and basically you know resolved within a couple months and i've had a number of uh patients as well that have benefited from that yeah can being on carnivore caused you to be in a metabolic acidosis no you wouldn't go into ketoacidosis no not ketoacidosis but more metabolically acidosis not really no your body your body very tightly controls these biochemical markers so your your uh your ph is going to stay between you know 7.35 and 7.45 or you will know about it you will get very very sick yeah it's actually very tightly controlled yeah can you hear can you hear the microphone oh there we go yeah all right perfect i just wanted to say that the peace on healing chronic disease really hit home i had ulcerative colitis for six years completely healed it through a carnivore diet started going to the bathroom 20 to 30 times a day within a week my i literally was down to go to the bathroom once or twice a day so literally life-changing stuff um my question for you is like when i would speak to my gi about what i was doing he would he would every time that i would see him he'd say oh you look better what are you doing differently and i would tell him look the only thing i'm changing is i'm eating more meat i'm cutting out all the processed foods and he didn't really have an opinion on it so how do we get gis and people in western medicine to come around to a carnivore meat-based approach to eating uh yeah you just got to talk to them you know and like you know i've run into gastroenterologists that were like you know oh my god how can you be saying this to people like literally i i got threatened to report me to the medical board in australia and i'm like hey look there are you know a dozen studies you know that all show what i'm saying is true you're like why don't you know about me you're supposed to be the expert this isn't even my field you know as it's like so who's gonna you know and um you know so you can get these you can get these studies and if you you grab me there i can probably like you know shoot you uh a bunch of the different studies and just say hey look there's always evidence that that diet really helps and this is probably something you should think about with your other patients as well yeah it's all evidence-based is the only thing some people will listen to other other people won't most most doctors who see your results and know jesus okay what's going on they're going to be interested and so if you tell them hey this is what i'm doing and i think this is what it is and here's some evidence for that i think they'll be pretty interested have you experimented with other things like bone broth organ meats just outside of just the muscle meat that you found to be helpful with with patients with gut issues as well um i don't i find you know like oregon meats are fine you know if you want to eat them and especially if you're eating like a mixed diet you actually do need more uh nutrients but uh just by and large i don't really think you need to eat organs i don't eat organs if you want bone broth that's fine i don't think they particularly it certainly wouldn't hurt to have bone broth i don't think but i don't think it necessarily gives much more of a benefit besides just enjoyment but from healing standpoint it's it's as much to do with what you're not eating as you do with what you are eating you eat the meat that gives you the energy and the nutrition nutrition that you need but you're not eating the things that are causing direct harm and that's a big one in autoimmune thank you no problem thanks dr jp i'm curious what your take is on raw milk first pasteurized milk do you have a stance on that yeah well i mean raw milk is going to be you know thousand times better obviously you know um i i tend to avoid uh dairy just in general not that i have anything in particular against it and if i were to drink milk it would really be the raw milk and i like it you know but i actually probably like it too much i sort of get that carb craving with the lactose i'm like oh my god i want more of this as well just polish off like a gallon of the stuff at a time you know like okay i don't want to do that um and so it does have enough lactose it can raise your your insulin levels and it can derail your metabolism so that's that's what i worry about there but yeah absolutely if you were going to uh you know uh do dairy i would absolutely do raw dairy and fermented dairy as well is a very good option thank you no problem hi um i'm a huge proponent of the carnivore diet i used it to heal a pretty wicked brain injury so i know the benefits of it i'm also a functional nutrition coach and i have some really challenging clients terminal cancer brain cancer brain tumors lung cancer things like that i've been introduced to the paleo medicina people in budapest hungary i'm wondering what your opinion is on their protocol using only four-legged animals of carnivore versus two-legged like poultry items and the efficacy of that well i mean that's a good question i haven't looked at their particular protocol specifically i'm actually due to speak with um uh dr clemens in in the coming sort of weeks we're trying to set something up so i'll definitely dig into that um as far as as new nutrition go for it it has been you know said in different circles like you even even dr salisbury in the 1800s talked about how you know beef was absolutely the best red meat was going to be the best it's going to be the most nutritious and lamb was like a distant second so really you know like grass-fed beef was was the best way to go um particularly with with people with autoimmune diseases they seem to have a problem with you know certainly dairy um and you get you know like the different proteins you can just cause a little more inflammation and then even chicken and pork that may have to do with what the animal is eating and if they're not eating their natural diet they're not necessarily going to be as healthy as they can be but i think that if you i've certainly noticed that when people are on just like just beef especially a grass-fed beef they do a lot better than even the other other meats if you want to get really fine-tuned there and if you're if you have someone who has a has a serious issue issue like cancer in particular or autoimmune issues it is better just to really go for the gold and so that may be why they're doing that but yeah i'll look into that though okay great um secondarily i've seen huge progress with my clients i've got somebody that was non-ambulatory and he's now out of a wheelchair just in four months when he was supposed to be dead within six months so he's doing great but outside of that i know there are certain cancers that proliferate with a higher load of protein so i tend to do a therapeutic level do you have any opinion on the better meats and i know beef is one of them but it's finding that fine balance of where i'm suggesting a certain level of protein and fat with different cancers is there any rhyme or reason to that that you can speak to today um as far as cancer is concerned i don't have any specific ratios but just in general you see animals in the wild including humans getting around 70 to 80 percent of their calories from fat and that seems to be a good range and i know paleo medicine actually tries to go for the 80 side of things um i i think that that is a perfectly good range to stay in as far as i don't know if there's too much uh in the way of cancer research to say one way or the other that i'm aware of though okay great thanks no problem thank you for the very informative session um i was wondering if you would recommend your patients or to anyone to go gradually into carnivore or suddenly and also if that response would differ if someone is on keto versus like a healthier version of sad um i i i like the whole just you know jumping in you know head first sort of approach when you're when you're sort of quitting any you know uh any any sort of addiction cold turkey's been shown to be a lot better now there's some things you know you're quitting benzos or alcohol or something like that you know you can actually get seizures and die if you stop too quickly you do need to wean off but you know most things you can just sort of stop at some point you will i haven't seen any problems with people stopping right away and i think that it can be a lot easier for them to do that because once they get that idea in their head you know strike while they are taught they say okay i'm throwing out all this all this other stuff i'm only buying me and i'm starting today it's going to happen now those people generally have very good success or more successful at this um the other people that say oh yeah sure i'm going to wean it down oh i still have you know six hot dog buns i'll just use those and then you know and and then they you know and they just sort of lose track the idea and they never do it so i like the idea of just getting in um there are people say that you know actually this could this might screw up your your microbiome if you go in too quickly i haven't seen that really myself in practice um but i'm sure that there are people out there that this could could trip up if you are going to do a gradual onset i would i would pick a i would have a very scheduled approach i'm going to eat less here and it's going to drop down here it's going to drop down here and on this day no more plans but uh i personally like just just jumping in great thank you no problem hey first just want to say uh since i went straight carnivore uh my performance is like a power lifter and a limit lifter is like insane that's been awesome quick question um hoping you could like riff a little bit on testosterone and specifically free testosterone on a carnivore diet there's like not a lot of studies on it but some people like report in their labs that like sex hormone binding logon has gone up so just curious you have any thoughts on on that i think i think everyone's sort of a bit different i i have not seen that i've i've only seen positive results on the hormonal uh uh field of people's testosterone going up and you know by 30 40 in in the first three months okay and their their binding globulin's actually staying in an optimal level so i know there was sort of a thought about that oh you have to eat carbohydrates or else this will get screwed up or you need to organize you need this you need that i have not seen that and i have not had a problem and i know uh dr saladino was having some health issues and he and he was talking about this and probably and he was attributing it to not eating carbohydrates but there is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate that does not exist okay so there are populations all over the world who have never eaten a carbohydrate for generations going back millions of years okay so if you're going to screw up your thyroid if you're going to screw up your hormones like you would have seen it by now these people would not exist you know and i've been doing carnivore at least a decade longer than dr saladino has i've never had that problem you will generally increase your testosterone you'll also increase your testosterone receptors so the testosterone that you have is going to be more efficacious as well and and again the the uh this is the whole is true for women as well you optimize your estrogen testosterone levels when you have high insulin levels this the insulin itself actually blocks the conversion of testosterone into estrogen in the ovaries and so you know this is a major contributor to pcos which is it which is a you know major burden infertility so when people go on a carnivore diet when women do as well it drops their insulin down to normal levels now their body can convert the testosterone into estrogen and their bodies work a lot better so any way you look at it yeah it's going to it's going to improve your hormonal health as well thanks no problem all right time for one more question one more question okay i'm one of your youtube followers and i just wanted to say thanks for coming to texas to see us i know you've traveled a long way but um my question was when someone is seeking to do carnivore but they only prefer leaner cuts of meat how do they get enough fat in to maintain high levels of nutritional ketosis for brain function and healing yeah you know sometimes it's a bit difficult you know we're so conditioned to think that fat is bad and you know even when i was sort of getting into this i was still cut off with that even though i knew fat was was good for me cholesterol was good for me and i had to catch myself like what am i doing you know i trust the research i believe uh the science like i'm i'm just going to i got you know if that's good for me eat the damn fat right and so but like it was you know it was hard for me to do that you know the texture was like oh this is bad for me and so i had to recondition myself i had to take a little bit of a sliver of fat and put it on a more lean piece of meat eat those together that actually tasted good i just sort of do that and do that do that and eventually i just eat chunks of fat you know and it tastes good and i want to do that so it's just a slow conditioning process and so you just start eating a little bit more a little bit more you can melt butter into steaks you can if you have uh ground beef you can just get a higher fat concentration of ground beef you go to butcher i when i go get ground beef i go to the butcher and i ask them to get do 50 50 meat and fat tastes amazing all right it's all mixed in so it's going to sort of cook in together and so you're not going to notice that you're eating fat it's just going to taste really good and so little things like that can start giving bringing up your appreciation for the taste of fat as well thank you yeah you're welcome all right i think that's my time thank you very much [Applause]