How The Carnivore Diet Can Help Your Brain, Emotions, PTSD, and Mental Health | Larry Allhands

so after a few months on a ketogenic diet you have four times the number of mitochondria and they're four times as effective so you got a massive massive massive increase in uh metabolic function in uh mental health as well so in the military when I separated first they give you like a twoe you know how to write your resume thing and how to apply for jobs and then goodbye good luck you know and check the VA and make sure you and you go out you're just kind of on your own and uh that feeling of separation is really easy to self-isolate and uh selfed and do these kind of things so I think those contribute as well there's all kinds of contributing factors but all those contributing factors on their own without the diet issues like you're saying with the brain malfunctions going on uh you know being a signal officer I appreciate signals going on time and being worly you know cuz if they're not our systems break Larry thanks very much for for joining me um we're going to be doing this on both of our platforms so for for people online hello everyone it's Dr Anthony chaffy with plantree MD today I have very special guest uh Larry allans who's a um military veteran and has his own podcast in YouTube channel where he deals with issues uh dealing with the military and service men and women um Larry thank you very much for coming on uh thanks Dr chaffy yeah I I have a podcast too called uh Mission carnivore and it is geared towards military veterans and First Responders uh and mental health and basically treating mental health with diet you know basically curing yourself of your ALS because the VA is terrible at it so yeah yeah it's not so good so we were talking a bit before before we came on here about well you know the prevalence and you know serious nature of uh the suicidality and how it's more more recent than you know people may realize and it's obviously much more dire than a lot of people recognize as well can you can you talk a bit about that and tell people what you know what the problem is exactly yeah so so we've been in a state of War since 2001 up till recently and uh over that time we've had about 6,800 casualties Kia uh in both theaters uh but we're losing over 7,000 veterans a year to Suicide so it's like one of those you know basically it's two 911s every year it's it's pretty crazy and uh it's it is a it is a crisis a healthcare crisis and they've identified a lot of the issues that and this is just veterans not including First Responders because they have their issues as well but there's a lot of issues that have been identified as possible triggers and causes you know PTSD uh but when you look at the numbers what we find is there's no correlation between say deployed troops and suicide like there's actually a higher suicide rate at troops that never deployed than troops that have so not that PTSD doesn't necessarily contribute to it but it's definitely not the primary driver uh so you know there's been a lot of studies doing there's a great uh video with Professor Chris Palmer uh he's got a tedx video you can check out where he talks about that and I think a lot of the issues that we see come from the warrior culture where you know you you suck it up and you drive on um you you basically uh you know overcome issues and you don't ask for help and that's kind of the way you know First Responders law enforcement a lot of people in these theaters just you know look at the guys to the left and right well they're doing it so I need to do it and they just drive forward and because people don't ask for help uh they internalize a lot of the stuff and we found that you know there's a lot of uh issues they've actually found that do drive or do um uh are present in these suicides and the kind of things they found are like relationship issues uh Financial issues legal issues and of course self-medication issues where people are medicating so there are issues that they do find that correlate to suicides but uh surprisingly it's not just deployments because whenever I tell someone yeah I did I I served uh 20 years I retired as a chief warn officer and whenever I talk about it they're like oh well you know when I talk about suicide they're like oh yeah well what these people saw must be doing it and when you think about it though yes they they may see and do and be involved in a lot of horrible things but if you look at First Responders like uh you know your typical uh Corman or ambulance driver your paramedic they're going to see a lot more volume of trauma on a daily basis for a whole career and maybe law enforcement uh and nurses and and doctors too in emergency rooms so there's there's that exposure everywhere so something else is driving this besides just that exposure exposure definitely contributes but I don't think it's the active driver yeah and and you were saying too that in that this level of suicidality is a more recent phenomenon as well that that we've had this this shock and Trauma from War I mean we've had we've had Wars in Memorial and looking at things like the you know World War I the war to end all wars that absolutely just shocked the world it was the first time we had mechanized Warfare people taking flamethrowers through trenches and just torching people alive and mustard gas and all these sorts of things we didn't have like the Geneva Convention they had bayonets that were sort of um a triangle shape that they could stab people with and and this was purely because it would it would [ __ ] them so if you didn't kill them it would have it would have a horrible healing Scar and wound that would that would plague them the rest of their life and so that's illegal now you know like look you can't do that you're going to kill someone fine don't you don't you don't [ __ ] them for the rest of your life purposefully so that you know even after the war they're suffering uffing and uh but World War I was it was and before you know this you know Civil War in America I mean that was tragic you know cannons full of of you know metal chips and nails and things like that and they blow this cannon off and just shrapnel would just shred you know the first four lines of of the advancing troops so people have seen horrible things horrible horrible things and and been involved in pretty much pretty disastrous campaigns um but you were saying that they they didn't have the same suicidality at that point is that right yeah the suicide rates have really ramped up I think we really started noticing it probably after Vietnam in the 70s late 60s 70s and then it's just ramped up since then and you know that that that tells me something else was introduced to the equation to that added to it not necessarily because I think this um underlying d damage to the psyche has been there the whole time obviously and the trauma and the mental stress and you know people have always had problems with relationships and money and uh legal issues those are not new these have been around since man has been around so and since society's been around anyway so anyway uh I think that the my theory is that our standard American diet has introduced a lot of things that have changed the way our brains work uh I know because my personal experience becoming a carnivore been in carnivore for 186 days now and my whole mental fog you know went away depression went away anxiety level has dropped to being gone and my stress levels even dropped where like I don't get angry when I'm driving in traffic and such I mean it's it's it's amazing to me that all this was there and I didn't even realize it because I was just living with it for my whole life and then when it's gone you can realize wow the the potential is amazing so I I just think that uh maybe that our diet adding all these processed foods and lowfat diet and all the all the things we did wrong you know thank to anel keys and his his cohort but uh any because of that we've actually introduced a lot of things that are causing people not to be able to deal with issues and it's compounding the the uh the problem we have and resulting in higher suicide rates so I think that you know talking about diet it's so here's something else the military guys and I'm sure law enforcement saying and firefighters and such we don't like to uh go to people for help because we're trained kind of not to trained to suck it up and drive on right so if we can offer something they can just do themselves they don't have to be public about they just like hey I'm just going to fix this because I identify the issue I think it can definitely appeal to a lot of them where they don't have to go to a doctor they don't have to go get counseling or see someone they say listen you know first thing let me fix my diet and see if this changes things so um I think that's that that's a big deal now like I said all those factors were present during these suicides uh but the number one um cause of the suicides according to the Army is untreated depression so the depression is there I've had it I mean most people I know have had it at some time and I can tell you this diet uh carnivore diet definitely changes that for sure 100% and uh it's definitely some kind of chemical imbalance has changed or I don't know you're the bra doctor you'll know more than I do but I just know that it does work right it and it's not just me because other veterans who I've talked to tell me the exact same thing it's not like oh it's just me I'm lucky no every veteran I've talked to that's done this has seen a complete change in their uh their outlook on life their motivation um you know their depression going away anxiety going away it's all very standard yeah well you know you mentioned Professor Chris Palmer from Harvard and and he wrote a book called brain energy and he he theorizes that most not all mental health issues actually come down to metabolic disorder where your mitochondria aren't working properly and they're not making energy properly but that's the that's only one small part of what the mitochondria do that's what we're taught the mitochondria the you know the the generators of cells but they they don't just sit there just pumping out ATP uh which is the energy currency of cells they move around there's this internal cytoskeleton inside cells and there's like these little Bridges and lines and things like that that all the organells can stick to and move up and down on and the mitochondria are zipping around like you know like blue bottom flies just zipping around all the time and there's thousands of these things and um depending on the cell type it it can have several thousands hundreds of hundred thousand or so or something like that as well so there are a lot of these things and they are they really are running the the cell they're sort of like you know like Sailors on a on a ship you know they got on like a on like you know old school uh well on any ship you know modern or or past with going up riggings and pulling things and grabbing things going over here moving and physically steering the ship and making it work and so they they move around to a certain area they'll they'll move to this organel and they'll release ATP so that that organel can have energy so that it can do work so that it can have a function then it goes over to this other thing how the hell they know this I have no idea you know it's just it's just from chemical interactions and reactions it's pretty amazing life is amazing just how it works it's incredibly complex and this is this is one of the more complex parts of it people think everything's down to DNA DNA doesn't run the show DNA are the blueprints and then the mitochondria are The Architects and the construction workers that are using the blueprints to go and actually action things out and do something with it and so if those are a bit damaged and they're a bit sluggish and they're not able to produce as much energy they're getting there a bit late or maybe a bit early and they're releasing the wrong amount of energy they're getting the wrong amount of signal at the wrong time and if you're doing that for thousands of mitochondria in trillions of neurons that compounds very quickly when you when you when you start damaging these things so so all of a sudden you're not getting the proper brain signals you're not getting the proper the proper neurotransmitters sending out at the right time which then the next one gets a delayed response and then it has a delay on propagating that response and so there's this knock on effect because your your neurons are constantly talking to each other and interacting with each other so like one neuron could interact with 10 to 30,000 other cells right and so that slowing or maybe even speeding up and doing something but either way the wrong timing of those signals and getting the wrong signal strength is now getting sent to 20,000 other cells which now send off the wrong signal at the wrong time and the wrong strength and it just it just causes merry hell and then people just like I don't feel well this isn't right I'm this isn't is what and then we're having hallucinations or becoming bipolar or uh having OCD or major depression and and all these sorts of things but uh Professor Palmer is is showing that you can actually reverse things like your depression and even schizophrenia by putting people well just by fixing their metabolism and doing things to address their mitochondrial metabolic Health uh first and foremost being changing the hell out of their diet and getting this garbage that damages your mitochondria that damages your metabolic Health getting that getting rid of that and putting people on like a ketogenic diet or carnivore diet carnivore diet is a ketogenic diet if or it should be anyway and they are finding that this well we have studies showing that after a few months on a on any ketogenic diet where just your insulin drops down low enough that you can go through autophagy or mitophagy and that's a concept that's probably good to touch on autophagy is when your body recycles older cells that aren't really working too well um but it can actually replace the inner part of a cell as well the organel inside the cell like the mitochondria and that's called mitophagy so fagy is just eating right so that you have like a a macras this is a big cell that eats other cells right and so mitophagy is when your cell basically just recycles your mitochondria and just dumps it through a little blender spits out the little amino acid constituent parts and then use those to make a new one that's running better and uh is newer faster stronger and and it also promotes the the production of more mitochondria so after a few months on a ketogenic diet you have four times the number of mitochondria and they're four times as effective so you get a massive massive massive in increase in uh metabolic function and in in uh mental health as well as seen by you know Professor Chris Balmer at Harvard and he's doing studies in humans showing that you can reverse schizophrenia major depression all these other sorts of major things by addressing these metabolic underlying conditions and I I misspoke earlier because when I was talking about Chris Palmer he didn't have the tedex talk he had the interview with you and that's what drove me towards us that's what kind of fueled my theory when I saw you interviewing Chris Palmer the Richard Doss had a TED talk about Soldier suicide it's really good uh so check that out if you haven't uh but yeah Chris Palmer your interview with him that seeded my my theory starting I was like okay well if all this can be reversed on these people having you know bipolar disorder or schizophrenia which is normally a death sentence you know like there's no real good answer there's drugs that make you feel terrible and or there's you know being schizophrenic and not being on these drugs so there's no there's no answer but when I saw that wow if that can be reversed then you know our our symptoms are are bad but they're not terrible but enough where when you get these other things introduced relationship issues money issues it can tip you over the edge especially when you have no one to go to because there's a stigma because if you're in the military and you go say listen I'm having suicidal thoughts guess what your career is not going to be great going from there probably because uh you know you get identified and then then they say no it's not the way it's not the case but you know we it it just is it's I mean people can say what they want but once you've been tagged you know of having mental issues mental health if you go seek mental health care and you're carrying guns in the military it's kind of a red flag so I mean that's just the way it works and no one wants to be that guy you know you don't want to be that guy that lets other people down or that girl you want to be that guy that can be counted on it's like playing rugby you don't want to be the rugby player that gets injured and has to leave a game ever because what when I played we only had one injury substitution in the game that was it and you never want to be that guy you played hurt you know and then you until you were a detriment to your team so same kind of thing um yeah so anyway I just want to correct that uh like I said we're not really good at asking for help in the military and that's there's reason it is and I'm sure in law enforcement now here's interesting I actually worked in law enforcement uh from 2000 to 2005 after I got out of the military my first tour uh and I worked as a computer specialist but I worked with the police very closely because I was I set up their 911 call system their new computers and I also um set up a tactical mobile um basically a SWAT van that we'd roll that we' had uh hostage negotiation team I'd set up all their coms and make sure everything was good and record all the stuff so I worked with them a lot and I was on a lot of SWAT calls which is cool but one thing I noticed in law enforcement is that there was a shooting and someone was killed everyone involved in that shooting the next couple days in our department was put on a leave and got counseling right away I'm like that's proactive that's real and the army they don't do that I mean that's they can't because you can't you can't like all right you're platoon standing down we're going to go give you p no we're we're going on patrol we're taking care of business you know that that's not the way it works you we don't have that luxury I guess that you have in a in in law enforcement you know and so I think they really treat that really well and that's probably a good model I know when I was leaving and and so a lot of other triggers for suicide with military and law enforcement and probably firefighters is retirement that's one of the you know because you're going from or or separation of service or retirement when you're going from one day being part of a team being and you probably went through this when you left your rugby team or part of a unit and you go out and you're on your own next and you lose all those they're there but you don't have the same contact with them daily and you know especially in the military when I separated first they give you like a two- week you know how to write your resume thing and how to apply for jobs and then goodbye good luck you know and check the VA make sure you know and you go out and you're just kind of on your own and that feeling of separation is really easy to self isolate and uh self-medicate and do these kind of things so I think those contribute as well there's all kinds of contributing factors but all those contributing factors on their own without the diet issues like you're saying with the brain malfunctions going on uh you know being a signal officer I appreciate signals going on time and being orderly you know because if they're not our systems break you know we have GPS satellites timing our our our uh signals between switches I mean you know because they have to be able to speak at the right time and listen at the right time uh for this like this call that's going on we're going across satellites Andross continents and this requires absolute perfect timing to make it work we just take it for granted and we take it for granted for our brain too but like you're saying you know maybe this maybe this uh Cloud this fog we're building by damaging the mitochondria is contributing to this uh this suicide rate I really think it might be I well I think so and and I think that obviously there there are a lot of things that can can can contribute but a lot of these things that are contributing especially the substantive you know substances that we put in our body they damage your your mitochondria and they damage your metabolism and obviously you can become uh dependent on different substances and make yourself sort of feel better in other sorts of ways and you withdraw from them and you feel worse and all these sorts of things compound that as well but a lot of these things damage your mitochondria they damage your metabolism and that's how doing this long term can make situation worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and so it's really a good idea to get far away from those sorts of things and while you may feel better short term for having self-medicated you know with alcohol or whatever you you are making yourself feel more hopeless and miserable long term you because you are you are Dam you're further damaging your mitochondria and and the health of your brain and the healthy signals that are being sent off and you're damaging dopamine production and now you're getting um you're ramping up your dopamine and now you're becoming insensitive to dopamine now you feel really bad um as well during your just your normal day so it can be it can be quite um quite a slippery slope you start going down that path it can just get worse and worse and worse and speaking of slippery slopes um the VA being a government agency and and you know our Healthcare and the military uh they go directly by the guidelines of whatever the government says right so they're not going to VAR at all in fact if you don't want to take a prescription when they say you need to take one they make you sign a waiver saying you're supposed to taken you're not but so if you go there guess what they're going to give you okay let's say I go to the VA and say listen I'm depressed guess what's going to happen they're going to give me drugs right they're going to medicate me and this happens or I have PTSD or whatever I'm going to take I'm going to take drugs and then I start getting symptoms so I go back hey I got these weird symptoms oh yeah one of those drugs here take this drug now because that's going to fix this symptom and before you know it I know guys that have night stands full of pill bottles yeah and they're all treating it's it's it's a Cascade and and they're treating symptoms they're not fixing the issue um you know when I knew someone that went on those drugs once I was like well what's the what's the diagnosis and what's the plan to fix the problem because this is treating symptoms not the problem so what's the diagnosis and what's the plan right and uh there is none that's not the way it works so this is also contributing it's a slippery slope uh either self-medicating or even going into the VA and getting professionally medicated uh by them the same thing same results probably worse hey everyone if you need a little extra help getting started on a carnivore diet and my online resources that I have for free aren't enough for you you can go to www.how carnivore decom and sign up for a 30-day carnivore challenge where you'll have online Resources Group support weekly Zoom meetings as well as the ability to chat live with myself Simon Lewis and the others in the challenge who can help you and support you and give you extra advice and help you along the way so if that sounds like something that would be beneficial to you then please go to howc carnival.com and sign up all right thanks guys we'll see you there yeah well that's called that's called the prescription Cascade and that was something that they specifically warned us against in in medical school like don't do that and if you see a patient come in that is on 17 different medications try to figure out why the hell they're on them and why you know do they need to be on them and tries It All Leads back to this one medication that that had this side effect but this side effect and that side effect and this other side effect and if you can just fix that one and either change the dose or change the medication to get the same effect and result but without all the the Cascade of of problems after that that's what you do and that uh so that's what we're supposed to do it can be difficult it could be maybe you weren't trained like that to think like that and maybe you you know just don't think in that manner but the drug companies uh they they're on the other side of that so there was a a whistleblower that came out they said you know that this is this is all very corrupt and these people are not trying to help us people in Food and Drugs companies are not there to help us they are there to profit from our misery and suffering and he said that um he's in a conversation with like a pharmaceutical executive I'm really having trouble remembering who the hell this was but um in any case he said that that he was talking to this executive and the executive said do you know what my favorite drug is that that our company produces and they were like you know you know rose-colored glasses just like oh you know something that helps children and cancer and all that sort of stuff and I was like no my favorite drugs that we make are the ones that cause side effects that you have to get use other drugs that we make to correct those are my favorite drugs and I think if I was in the room with him I probably would have knocked him out I I don't I don't know how I I that's pretty bold St myself that's pretty bold it's pretty disgusting I mean you know what what the hell is wrong with you you know that you would that you would feel feel that way about about other human beings I mean this this the pharmaceutical companies have the ability to help billions of people and they have in a lot of ways but that is wrong and that's a Corruption of of mind that really has no business being in the health care uh industry I mean think about this you know it's like it's like firefighters get paid by the job and so they go out and make work for themselves that's not good that's not a good paradigm right and and in fact you know I I had friends who were seasonal firefighters in Arizona and this was 20 some years ago in the early 2000s probably was yeah early 2000s and they were saying that that um you know if you were low down on the on the pecking order you know you get called up on uh on a demand basis and so if there weren't enough fires that year you wouldn't get brought up but you've already bought the $45,000 truck and and the mortgage that you can't really afford because you're expecting another 40 50 Grand to come in that summer from doing seasonal firefighting so they're like well I'm going to miss my mortgage payments I'm going to have my truck taken away and he was saying you know I don't that's just from what he was saying was that people would actually go out and start fires themselves in order to have more demand and and be able to get called in and so you know that's sort of like what what these companies are doing they're causing a problem so that they can be paid to address that problem and that that is that has no place in modern society well they don't have to take any hypocritic oath there so they're on the they're kind of ancillary on the side there just like oh we're not going to take oath not to do harm but we're just going to sit here and make money while people while we do harm right I they're like one step removed from the cartels I mean literally they are cartels it's just legalized cartels 100% yeah absolutely yeah and uh yeah I totally I totally agree with that yeah so I don't take any drugs at all uh other than to leave occasionally um and I don't even take uh any sinus pills anymore now that I've been on Carnivore because I mean I lost 45 pounds I'm feeling athletic again I put on muscle in six months is crazy I don't take allergy pills anymore I just take them every day I have probably a lifetime worth of allergy pills now cuz I used to buy the big bottles from Costco there are like hundreds of pills that's going to last me 50 years I never going to have to go there and buy another allergy pill CU I've only taken I think one allergy pill in the last six months and it's ridiculous uh the money they were making on us on all the stuff I have in there I'm about to clean that cabinet out pretty much I've been keeping it just in case I'm like well I never know what if you know but there's a bunch of supplements in there I don't need to take anymore I just it's ridiculous uh so yeah I just think that if we get this message out to Veterans and law enforcement and firefighters and paramedics I've got an interview with a paramedic tomorrow you actually interviewed with intentional carnivore um yeah I'm I'm interviewing him tomorrow because he's a paramedic so we're talking carnivore tomorrow he's gonna be on my podcast nice and um Sean White yeah great guy yeah uh so yeah I mean and not all the guys I'm interviewing have YouTube channels or podcasts a lot of them are just vets and I'm like hey I'd like to hear your story like the other vet I interviewed the other day was uh George good enough from the UK he was a proud Intel officer or Intel Corporal for The Desert Rats in Desert Storm and he actually contracted uh Desert Storm syndrome which as you know is a strange disease that no one really knows what caused the disease uh other than you know he just have all these weird symptoms and are kind of weird and so they can't really pin down what causes some thought it was nerve gas or burn pits and or maybe the shots they had to to get to go overseas because there's new a lot of experimental drugs used you know or experimental uh vaccines used when they went overseas so um he did he started this 18 months ago and he reversed type two diabetes lost 90 pounds I think and then he uh all his Gulf War syndrome symptoms went away and he's back to like yeah 100% and what he said was I love this he said he he he walked into a pub and a maate of his was there and said George you're back yeah because he recognized he's like he'd been gone for all these years but he's back now because of this diet and of course his mental Health's better you know because it it it does beat up on you when I mean you're not old yet like I am I'm 57 and I I just started deteriorating my PT tests after I turned 50 got really hard I retired in 53 years old uh and I was really hard to maintain my weight and my physical capability and the last year I basically didn't I couldn't make standard even but I tell you what list today I went out in the 93 degree Heat at lunch and did five 50 meter Sprints uphill with 10 push-ups each one I did 50 push-ups and Sprints and I feel like an athlete again it's amazing there is no joke on this thing so I think you know if you get these veterans who are in crisis and these law enforcement you know First Responders that are suicidal in crisis and you fix their diet man we're gonna have like a superum army out there of people that can you know basically return to life and they they'll be back like George was they'll be back and that's that's what I'm shooting for with Mission carnivore if even one person gets that at a mission carnivore then my mission is accomplished if one person doesn't commit suicide because of it and turns their life around and you know that's that's mission accomplished so that's my that's my mission now yeah well that's great and and I'm sure you have and I'm sure you you will influence more people as well um what was I going to say the um that was that was what I was going to say there was a a gentleman I had on the podcast who's the major sponsor of this podcast which is uh you know uh Philip um me from carnivore bar so he made the carnivore bar which is just you know basically pkin you get dried beef and you mix it with Tallow and it's like 80% from from fat and um and you know they they tast a bit different because they're sort of a bit crunchy and grainy and it it's almost like like like finely crushed grape nuts and you know stuck together with Tallow and and at first you're just kind of like what's in my mouth right now you know and and because it's a new texture it's very different um after like a few of those I was just like I actually really liked it especially like if they're in the refrigerator I like I take St out of the refrigerator and I I don't know I actually really like them now so I've found I've I've really uh found a taste for them but um and that was before they sponsored me so they um he wanted to do that because he said the MREs that they give uh people in the military are just so Dreadful terrible and so uh he wanted he wants this to replace that he wants this to go which is not unheard of these used to be the iron rations Napoleon yeah Napoleon fed his army with that so it's not unheard of it's history 100% he did you know you know Bal have you ever come across that no it's you know Marmite that horrible stuff Marmite that miserable concoction bobro is sort of like that but just from like beef and so they just basically just boil down a whole cow and it just turns into this black tar sort of past you know maybe you think of it as like a bullion sort of pce or something like that and uh I I remember reading up on that and if I if I'm not uh misremembering it was that was Napoleon sent someone down to Argentina say you need to figure out how to feed my armies and we need to have it some compact in a can moving along with us and he just said okay I'm just going to take the herd of cows and just boil the living hell out of them and just get and just can whatever the hell left and just send that off and and that was it that was Bal and that that that fed the Napoleonic Wars you know which were really World they were world wars and yeah and incredible ones and um and so that was that was that was used then um they found a cache of of pemin um you know as like the carnivore bar is and what the Native Americans in North America would make and eat throughout the year uh the British were using them as their their uh field rations during the Revolutionary War and they found a cache of these 50 years after After the Revolutionary War in America there's sort of you know some sort of Bunker Silo whatever and it was still good 50 years later no refrigeration and stuff was still good so yeah this is this is historical this is what people used to use and we just forget this stuff you know things that people have been doing for a very long time they've stood the test of time you know from from thought experience and experiment and they said this is what works and said screw it you know we'll just we'll just completely change everything and uh but yeah so so that's why he wanted to make the carnivore bar can you talk a bit about the you know the MREs and and how hor they are so I actually have a video on my YouTube channel because I have active duty soldiers that are carnivore that wanted me to help them go in the field and be carnivore or maintain it right which you really can't do you can do ketovore right so I did a video uh talked call calling it a carnivore M video where what we what I did was I I went to the uh I think it's called um comrade is the website that has all the MREs that are available now the different menus and what their nutritions are and nutrition values and out of that I could only find four Entre that were carnivore that they could eat out of uh they were they're all lowfat which is a problem but they had the protein you need and so we we picked I picked the four Entre said you're goingon to have to beg borrow and steal and and try to get these find someone and Supply that you know or trade for these and I think was like one was white chicken chunks and one was a a tuna which is actually like the starus tuna in a bag in a in a sealed envelope uh and then I think another one was a burger patty jalapeno burger patty and the last one I think was a uh a Mexican stew anyway so what you can do is you can get those and then you can eat the cheese the cheese is processed cheese it's going to have seed Wells but you know what it's very low carb two grams of carbs and and a lot of um protein uh so you're going to have some seed oils and fats but what I recommend these guys do is buy some some ghee that's shelf stable in a squeeze bottle so you can get that lowfat M entree and squeeze some ghee in there and mix it up so you're getting your fat right so you're maintaining your fat levels also you can bring in Kansas sardines in the field which I did because when I was in the Army I actually did do some keto when I was getting ready for my uh record annual record PT test and I wanted to get everything working right I recognized that my body worked better on keto so I would go keto for a few weeks and when I was in the field I would bring sardines and eat the heck out of them man because those are good for you um and so I I you know there certain things I have a whole list on that video and carnivore bars are on that list oh so I actually have a list with links and I have a link to the carnivore bar on there uh because that's one of the things I recognized I said hey these are only about 400 calories uh so they're not a complete meal replacement and they're not cheap but if you're in the field and you want to maintain what you got get them and you know maybe buy them in bulk and get a discount or buy them with a bunch of guys jump in and buy a big ammo can of it because I know they have those so if you get like five guys that are going to do it go do that so anyway that video I do describe that but the MREs in general are all high sugar high carb like you have to discard almost everything in the MRE but the good news is you can trade it for good stuff like cheese which is not great but it's better than anything else or or the or those uh Entre that are good so maybe can trade for two burger patty entrees and give away your your muffin tops and I mean you wouldn't believe how much sugar is in it stuff it is all sugar they are the worst thing you can eat and they stop you up man I mean when you're in a field you talk about constipation I mean you are to get stopped up for days if you eat those things it is it is bad but you know that's what we have to live on in fact when we go on patrol we would strip out a lot of that crap and just rip them open and just take the entree and that one thing and and throw them in your pack so you could feel fit more meals in there and have more food because well we call it food but then you get rid of all the all the junk that goes with it because there's so many things that are just you know drink drink mixes and Shakes and all this crazy stuff and it's all sugar but it's because the government guidelines right just like you go to a hospital you go to a hospital you have cancer they're GNA give you sugar which is a terrible idea right have a Coke and here's some pudding and I mean it's ridiculous right so that's the government guidelines and that's what we're living in so we gota I tell guys that listen you have to be your own advocate in for your health you have to in in active duty and when you get out because you can't trust people that are trained by government standards yeah well you know uh Philip as well he was a combat medic and um oh nice yeah so he might be someone that that would be interesting to talk to as well I interviewed him as well it was really really interesting uh um conversation and uh you can check that out and see what you think but um uh also I mean I don't know I mean are they able to make pimkin and bring their own food or not really you okay so yes I mean especially okay so if you're just doing an FTX which is a field exercise which you might be in the field two to four weeks you know and that's usually just training like you might be in Fort Hood or you might be you know out in some range somewhere yes then for sure so a normal operational training like right now we're on a state of War yes 100% troops can make their own food and bring it uh you just have to be if you're in a Humvee you can stash a lot of stuff or in a vehicle you know if you have a vehicle if you have access to a vehicle or know a guy in the platoon that does or company then you can definitely stash stuff you can work around that um it most people don't they don't plan they just go there and say where's my food and you give them an m and eat it right so but the what I like about the guys on my channel they're following me their active duty and they're like hey how am I going to do this when I go in the field they're planning ahead that's that tells me a lot and um yeah so they can do that or they can and there are recipes online seen I haven't tried it but I've seen have you ever tried any of those pin recipes yeah no i' I've made it um it's it's not too hard once you get once you sort of figure it out you need to sort of dry it out you can dry it out in the oven put it on sort of lowest heat keep the oven door open so sort cycling air but it's getting out all the moisture and very thin strips of of meat probably easier to to if you if you cut them thin Against the Grain because when you with it's with the grain there long fibers and it's dry it's hard as hell and so it's hard for you your blender to blend that up you need a really high power blender to do that but if you cut Against the Grain but very thin and then dry them out um you know the fibers are already cut up and so then you put those in a blender and just you'll just powder really quickly and then you take those out and you just take the dried powdered Blended um uh dried meat and then you mix that with uh some melted you know Tallow so like grass-fed Tallow get that easily in America you get that easily on on Amazon it's very cheap and it comes back and it looks yellow that means you know that's how you know that it's actually and finish right so it's um it makes a difference it's it's it is better nutrition and better Omega-3s and a lot of other stuff as well so and then you mix that in sort of melt that so it's just liquid doesn't have to be hot as hell and then you just mix it in together 50/50 so the same weight of uh dried meat and and rendered Tallow and that and then you sort of mix it all together put it out in this little paste you can put it out on like a cooking sheet and um you know with some wax paper or whatever right and um and then just let it put in the fridge let it let it harden up and it uh actually tastes good um and it's uh it's it's not as crunchy as the carnivore bar it's more it's more soft because the stuff has been sort of powdered um just make it a bit differently and and if I remember correctly 3/4 of a pound is 2,000 calories of perfect nutrition awesome and so you know do you need exactly 2,000 calories almost no one does you know but whatever you know let's just use that as a benchmark if you are so so 3/4 of a pound being 2,000 calories 10 pounds of pack weight is is two full weeks of perfect nutrition at 2,000 calories a day so it actually actually works really well and it's and it is cheap you because carnivore bar you know it's it's expensive to produce you know I've talked to Phil like he he's he was actually losing money for a while and sort of selling it at a price that he's basically breaking even um because he wants he wants this out there and he wants you know uh to get out there and if and um so it is expensive but it's expensive to produce as well but if you're making pkin yourself you can do it uh much cheaper than that that's a good option so I'll definitely uh point I'll point that out and point those vets to this picture this video too because uh they're definitely interested in in maintaining a carnivore and if they're just in the field for a couple weeks it's no big deal they may burn more than 2,000 calories a day though because when you're carrying your armor and your hydration system and your communication system and your ammo and your guns you're you're carrying like I hike with a 40 pound vest now just to keep in shape and I used to do that when I was in the military but when I'm in the field it's more like 60 pounds and then if you got your helmet and your your boot and I mean you're you're I would drink over a gallon a day and never pee for sure I mean I would seriously it's weird you're just drinking and drinking and you never have to pee and because you're sweating it all out and your clothes get all stiff because you're wearing the same clothes for weeks and stuff it's nasty but you know it's your body goes through some weird changes when you're out there but you burn a ton of calories I tell you that and like we don't our belts I used to I have a rigging belt we call them rigging belts it's a velcro belt that's what I'm wearing now because I keep losing weight so fast that I kept buying belts and having to buy new belts and I just got went back my army gear and pulled my riging belt out and that's where I wear now all the time because it's velcro I can always tighten it no Loops required but yeah in the field you have to do that because you start losing weight so fast uh your pants be dragging you know yeah yeah that's funny yeah you were saying you're saying that about the government guidelines so obviously like a military house just follows it by the book and whether that's those are good guidelines or bad guidelines they are the guidelines and so you you were saying you know that this the problems you thought come around the Vietnam War and that's you know in the 70s um and that's when a lot of this was coming out oh Fat's bad Fat's bad you know the McGovern report in the late 70s and the USDA declaration that fat and cholesterol caused heart disease and all that sort of stuff and the food pyramid coming in around that that time as well and so uh that obviously influenced the uh you know the military rations as well presuma yeah the SE rats before that had a lot more fats had canned potted meat and everything I mean there a lot we don't get that anymore that's probably much better right I'd rather eat Spam and we had spam in those meals too so I would rather eat that than what they're offering now and speaking of guidelines these active duty troops we have what's called a PHA or a physical health assessment you have to do online and uh just to make sure you're following their guidelines right uh and you're not and you're healthy to keep your active duty status and to get to schools and everything you always have to jump through these Gates these guys have to lie about their diet because if they were putting down what they were eating they would be like disqualified from a lot of you know promotion going to schools because you know their PHA would they'd fail it so they're telling me like yeah we're just putting down what they want us to say it's not what we're eating I'm like okay cool do it do what you got to do man you know they'll play their games we'll play ours we're good but but guess what these guys they did their first PT test and they crushed it they they were nervous going in like hey you know I don't know about this I'm not feeling I'm like just trust the process man go out there and hit your hit your numbers and he went out there and just he just crushed it he came back like dude I crushed that thing I'm like awesome yeah yeah once you test your body after you've been on this diet like I did today sprinting it you just feel athletic I mean I don't know how to put it see you've always been athletic so you didn't get that transition like I did where I went being athletic then downhill for decades and then coming to come back it's like yeah I'm back it's it's amazing well you know but when I I mean I kept working out things like that but I you know I wasn't playing rugby at you know the same level I was before I just didn't have time to and then but then at 38 all of a sudden I felt like I was 22 again and I was just like well I'm I'm definitely going back to play because I just felt so good and I hadn't felt like that in know since I was 25 and came off and came off the diet you know so even even playing at you know in in the super league and um you know doing all representative rugby and all that sort of stuff and playing in England I or well really the latter half of playing in England when I sort of slipped off the diet um you know it uh that was I I felt very different very different you know I could still work really hard and get in shape but as soon as I stopped working out I got out of shape really quickly and I you know put on fat I lost muscle and uh and I had to you know work really hard to get back in shape and it was always just a constant struggle against entropy which my body just wanted to just keep breaking down and breaking down and breaking down and uh and I had to just fight to keep it together and I could but when I'm when I'm eating properly and what I now know as properly they don't have I don't have any of that problem my body doesn't break down at all and I just I'm able to maintain without without working out when I work out I get in much better shape I feel much better but I never get out of shape that's the crazy thing I can get in better shape and I can lose some of that edge but I never get out of shape completely I'm never you know I I don't like put on a lot of fat and lose a lot of muscle my muscles stay you know strong and toned and I stay pretty low body fat percentage I start working out my muscles get bigger they get more toned and I get lower body fat percentage but they never go down past a certain point that a lot of people would consider um you would need steroids to get to in the first place and I don't even work out right and so that's that's the sort of the crazy now I worked out for years several hours a day to get that base structure and then now this just maintains up to a certain level but and I know people would would say that I you know know the whole steroid thing because I've taken pictures when I first started Instagram started becoming more public about all this um I posted pictures of myself with my shirt off or or whatever and people like oh that's steroids that's steroids I'm like I was in quarantine for a month I didn't even go to the gym you know so that's that's me not working out you know and so you know that and that was oh that's that must be steroids or something like that I I wasn't even I wasn't even doing push-ups you know so that's just how your body maintains itself when you're eating properly you don't need anything else you know sorry going oh say when you look at animals in the wild yeah they're they're lean my dog is my dog's a carnivore too he is muscle and lean just all the time so yeah same thing well and and animals in the zoo because animals in the wild they W they're working out all the time they're always running and chasing and all that animals in the zoo aren't and I I've yet to see a fat zebra at the zoo you know and uh and they're just standing there they just stand there all day there's nowhere for them to go they're not running around and being active and so and then people say well that's because they're they're feeding they're getting fed a perfect diet yes what they are designed to eat and so if we do the same thing then we're going to get we're going to get similar results and and I I can tell you that's those are the results I get yeah there's an anabolic aspect to this diet I can tell because just the instantaneous change in your muscles and your I mean when you when you work out it's instant it's I've done creatine in the past I've done protein pow done different programs none of them are like this this is so far exceeding any of that performance-wise I mean where you you can just work out like a couple weeks and see muscle immediately it's like wow I mean you know it's like not it's not going to take a four week or six week or eight week it's like first 10 days you're going to start noticing like muscle coming on it's immediate it's it's pretty awesome yeah yeah absolutely and and yeah and I mean people people tone up and they feel better just eating this way and then if they work out they get amazing results that was the thing too you know these guys are worried about their um you know their their you know Fitness and fitness tests and things like that they're oh it's gonna happen don't I'm gonna need carbs I'm not gonna be able to do this and then they will actually do it and and they blow it out of the water it's so funny you know the people that say oh you that's [ __ ] you have to you need carbs in order whatever it's all Bro Science you know like I've broken down in many videos actual biochemistry of this and so you know professors of medicine and sports science like Professor Tim NOS down in South Africa and right you know Dr Paul Mason who's sport uh um sports medicine doctor over in Sydney you and U Professor Peter Bronner all these people that break down the science I've broken down the science oh that's and they call us Bro Science you know and then and then they say oh no no no this is how you have to do it because my mommy told me so and Okay so we've got Bro Science you've got mommy science um only difference is ours is right and and that's the thing is when people do this and they try this and their and their athletic performance goes through the roof their athlet their exercise potential goes crazy exactly as predicted by us and exactly counter to what the detractors would say you know it's it's pretty telling and the these people that are just saying oh no no no that can't work that can't work are people that have just never tried it but then people try it and they're really nervous about it and they do it and go like I had no idea I had no idea yep that's exactly the conversation I had with those soldiers by the way they they like uh they were like were tempted to take carbs the night before it was the night before and I'm like dude just trust it man just don't do that just trust it because if you do that you're going to throw away everything you just did like just trust us like all right Chief I you know I was a chief Warner they call me Chief all right Chief we're gonna trust you and then to get that text that morning oh and so here's the deal on top of that I was at my son's uh cross country match my son played soccer in Cross Country he's 14 and he went carnivore in the summer because he saw me healing up and losing weight I didn't want to force him into the diet right so I'm like I told him what I'm doing I explained it I explained the the you know theory behind it and and um discussed it with him and he just watched me and he saw my ankle heal up I started being able to do things I wasn't able to do a long time and then he said to me one day at summer he's like Dad he had a a lingering foot injury from soccer that was bothering him he had to wear like plates in his I don't know what they are in his insoles inserts for shoes or he get inflammation so he's like you heal my foot I was like well I don't know some but it can't hurt so he went carnivore and strict and it was great and then had a terrible time the first six weeks like no energy and he's like I don't know Dad I feel terrible and then all a sudden it switched and he was fine right yeah well his last three races he set PRS each race and he and he placed uh his this first race he actually placed um fifth which is great for his team yeah that's the first time he's ever placed so he's seeing I mean he's he's knocked two minutes off his time on a two mile that's pretty that's pretty awesome and two mile that's really good yeah yeah he's running 14 14 minute two miles now so he's at seven minutes and he's only 14 he's he's not in high school he's in junior high he's in middle school so he's doing good and uh but I got that text from those troops uh when he was winning his race so it was like a great day I was like man my son got a new PR and these troops are like crushing the PT test it was a great day so just it's yeah already I can tell Mission carnivore and my my YouTube channel I never ever thought about a podcast or a YouTube channel ever but the only reason I did it is because I had such good results I told my neighbor who's a veteran and he did it and he got great results and then I told my brother my sister they did it they got great results everyone around me was getting great results and a friend friend and then that friend told someone else I'd never met and they got great results and that got back to me and I was like wow it's like a ripple effect what if I'm expanded this a little bit because uh you know obviously I'm influencing people around me what if I made a larger influence pool and see if we could you know help more people and that's why I just launched into YouTube and uh then started the podcast and it's been great I mean the emails you know how it is the emails I get are just so encouraging and awesome uh it's and it's really exciting because I just look forward to every day now like okay I want to and that's another thing on Carnivore is my brain function uh I became uh I had gotten to the point where I was resigned to living the life I was living and declining the rest of my life really just going in a downhill to to to where my dad is right now who's not you know he's older and he's you know he suffers pain and all I'm just like well that's what I'm going to go to I'm going to be just a 78 year old or 80y old guy you know barely making it and uh but now I feel like I see Maggie jumping and hearing her jumping or fences and wrestling bulls and stuff I'm like that's where I'm going to be man I'm going to be out there running Sprints and and push-ups and and doing stuff and I'm planning things for a future that I wasn't before before carnivore and so that switch in my brain uh really prompted me to talk to other veterans like Hey listen this is this could be a game changer it really could be it could be a super Game Changer so anyway that's that's my whole my my whole mission carnivore thing it just came up organically from my experience yeah well that's great you know I I think it's I think it's really nice that that you and others are are making platforms I mean I I I was in the same position thinking like well you know is it is it worth me doing a channel is it worth me doing videos is that is that adding to anything is that helping people there's already people saying things that I like and generally agree with and so you know especially like you know Dr Baker and and um uh you know K Barry and and these people I was just like these guys are these guys are saying the things that I you know want people to say and pointing out the things that I want pointed out you know is it is it is it worth me doing that and you know something that I found out was that really early on was that you know you can say you can say very similar things but you have a you have a slightly different take on it and and maybe you have new information that that they don't necessarily have or you think about it in a slightly different way and so you present present it in a different way um and that speaks to other people differently and and I've had people reach out to me and say hey I've seen other carnivore proponents and uh and they sort of you know made sense what they were saying but I never was really interested in it until I saw your video on X Y or Z and and it really it made sense to me when you said that I said okay I'm going to try that now and I'm really glad I did because I had all these benefits and so that's the thing is that you you are going to have your own take on things you're going to have a unique perspective and unique information and that's going to speak to other people that may not actually get the message uh in other ways and so I think it's it is really important and it's really great that you've done that I'm I'm you know I'm sure that you've gotten a lot of messages from people and people that you're you know your target audience are people that really need help and so that's really good I'm really glad that you're out there doing that yeah I've gotten a lot of uh emails and correspondents and messages from from across the world Australia UK um you know everywhere Ireland and then Canada but then I also get law enforcement I got law enforcement from like the Netherlands and I mean places I'm think wow I can't believe they're watching it over there and you know that's cool but yeah so we do each have our group of people that we can relate to where people relate to us I guess is really what it is so someone just sees me and says hey I like his style because he was military and his deliver is a little different he knows what MREs are or whatever that's cool whatever but if someone you yeah so if someone wants something else they can go somewhere else so you know everyone's got different things to offer I think for the most part and so that's kind of the plan yeah it is it is pretty awesome it's it's been I've only been doing it for a month now so I'm new I'm I'm this is my sixth uh sixth week I think yeah great and uh yeah it's exciting uh I really really I'm excited to see where it goes and uh and meet all these I'm just making lots of great friends online and uh it's pretty exciting so so I got I got a couple questions I'd like to ask you if you would in mind though yeah please so um can you can you talk about the types of mental health conditions that are shown to improve with carnivore that we know improve well yeah the the distinction should be made that it's not it's not just carnivore diets that that have been shown to improve things uh it's ketogenic diets as as a whole and so you can do ketogenic diet without specifically being on a carnivore diet I think that's the best kind of ketogenic diet and I think that's why ketogenic diets work so well for people is because it's getting you closer to your biological design to our our our biologically appropriate uh diet and that's what a carnivore diet is all the best evidence shows that humans are carnivores we've been apex predators throughout our entire existence and apex predators are definitionally carnivores and so all animals all life on earth have a has a specific prescribed uh diet that they have to um you know that they that is optimal for them and the same is true for us as well um as well as every other you know living organism so I think that that's why keto does so well is that it gets you closer to our biological design which is carnivore which is also keto so the studies that are done with diet are specifically with ketos it's not it do doesn't have to be carnivore but as Professor Chris Palmer said he was doing carnivore for for a long time and and that that's absolutely you know part of the program you can you can do it as a carnivore or you can include some non-carbohydrate and sugar ridden vegetables and things like that if you want to I don't because they have defense chemicals which are plants designed they're stationary they don't move they can't run away or fight back but they are also 99% of life on Earth so they are the dominant organisms and they cannot be defensive and so while animals can run away or fight back plants can't and so they have to have other defenses which are toxin this is why you go out in the field and you run out of your MREs and your carnivore bars and can't eat any random plants right most of them will make you very very sick or even kill you and while it's hard to catch and kill an animal especially big bastards like a mammoth that we were eating for million plus years um once you get it down the meat is safe the meat is nothing but whole and nutritious whereas a plant is not hard to track down but it is deadly poisonous and that's and that's how it protects itself so the the studies are done with keto diets in particular um but people such as Professor Chris Palmer and Dr Georgia Eid uh have done amazing work and they've shown that basically any mental health issue can be affected and improved or even put into full remission with a keto carnivore diet so depression major depression anxiety OCD bipolar schizophrenia schizo effective disorder um ADHD and even autism autism seems to be a mitochondrial metabolic issue as well and that has to do with mdev of the brain cells and so you it doesn't work the way it's designed to work and there are also nutritional deficiencies as well that can they can bring about autism and a mdev of of the neurons as well such as a carnitine deficiency most people say well carnitine is is an is a non-essential um non-essential amino acid uh but that's only true for some people because only 70% of people make a sufficient amount of of carnitine other people have to get it from their diet it does not exist in plants you can only get it from meat and so if you're vegans and vegetarians they're they're significantly reducing or eliminating out the meat that they're eating or that that's available to eat and their kids are deficient they can develop this form of autism that was shown by Texas A&M University of Texas A&M um and that there are much higher rates of autism in vegan and vegetarian households right so um Professor Palmer also showed that that you can actually undo a lot of the um the effects of autism uh even as an adult people with Autism as an adult when they go into a keto carnivore diet they improve dramatically there are entire treatment groups around the world that treat autism at any age with ketogenic diets and and it improves it helps them and so this is in the literature if you get it as young as possible so if anybody has a family member or a child with autism uh this is this is important because a it will it will help improve their their life and their function at any age even if they're 90 but if they're still developing if their brain is still developing they have time to undo that uh Mis development and they can actually you know start start making more and more and more properly formed neurons that uh and and essentially not have autism anymore after that and so that's something that is very very uh well it's it's sort of exciting you know that you can actually address something like this I actually saw a a documentary another thing I do on my channel is I I do movie reviews for diet documentaries so like the fat a documentary and I and I basically review the movie and then tell a carnivore like my what what's good in it that's carnivore and what may not be good and then whether this would be a good thing to introduce to a family member or somebody who's not supportive or is supportive just to show them what you're doing so I I I and one of the movies I watched was a magic pill I don't know if you've ever seen that but they actually have planed to yeah they have an autistic girl in there that uh she goes on a keto diet and they show the I mean the video is there you can't you can't deny what happens you see the difference in her behavior after I think six weeks uh and at first like she will not eat the food like she's being you know and autistic children can be very difficult and she was super difficult and they show the problems they had trying to get her to eat that but they're like the doctor's like she she'll get hungry she will eat and they had to go through hell but when she got hungry she did eat it and then man it's like the light bulb came on she changed completely in front of your eyes on camera so it's worth watching worth checking that one out for that part it nothing else yeah definitely um I will check that out and yeah um it's it's amazing i' I've seen it help people I've done interviews with people that I had no idea had autism like um Jonathan Griffiths and we were talking everything nor we talking about bodybuilding he's a professional bodybuilder in the UK and he said and autism just sort of came up in conversation and he said he's like well actually I have autism and I was like I would have never guessed that and he said that um a year ago before he went on on Carnivore he would not have been able to have the conversation that we were having at that moment and and that had made such a huge difference in Impact on his life and mental health as well so you know it's it can be difficult very difficult but you know it's if if you're able to do it and you're able to to affect that change it is is well worth the effort to to try that with your kid if you can I mean it's it's difficult but um if you can you know do I mean you you especially when kids are young you you control what comes into that house and you hopefully there's something that they'll eat but you know I mean if you fast you your insulin drops low and and and it has similar effects to having a ketogenic diet and just not eating carbohydrates because you're also not eating carbohydrates right and so you know and again if they get hungry they're going to eat and that's it's it's hard as a parent because you're just like you you're seeing your child really upset and you feel like they're suffering um and it feels cruel but it's um it actually works out and it works works out really well in their favor and in their benefit so if people are able to I've never had to do that I know I haven't been in a situation where I you know needed to do that so I can't I can't begin to imagine how difficult that can be but I do know a lot of parents who have done this I do know entire treatment groups that do this for all of their autistic patients and it it works it really really helps yeah and that's exactly what was shown on that video which is which is great to see because I think it's a good example if someone is considering it they could watch that and see how that how the results were worth it right and it shows that but at first you're like kind of cringing like oh that's that's tough you know because yeah if that's your kid you don't have kids yet I guess so but I do and when I have that kid you know I'm not push over anything but you don't want your kid to be like suffering right and it looks like she's suffering but she's not really is she really she's just not eating that's not suffering yeah and you know and not eating for a day or so yeah you know yeah that's all it was we look we all have that's fasting even very Sim yeah well well fasting is very healthy I mean this is in most cultures and traditions and religions they fast for periods of time and it's it's it actually shows it's very healthy and it's good for you and so um it can just be a bit uncomfortable but you know it's it's not going to harm them and uh you know even even very slender people unless you're completely emaciated and on death's door like you got weeks weeks of of fat and energy available to you uh before you you run into trouble and start catabolizing your own muscle tissue you just you just run on your own fat so it's um yeah it's it's it seems worse than it is and it actually will benefit them in the long run and actually even the short run like it will it will make them better when they just avoid these things that damage their brain and the functionality of their body and brain yeah because that's definitely going to I mean kids are so resilient and young people they can eat they can get away with eating foods that may not be optimal and still perform at a high level like Dr saladino right he's he's in great shape he's young he eats some things that are I would say questionable but um you know I I and people are like well you can't argue with the blood work I'm like yeah well let's see when he's 57 and he's been laid up in six weeks with an injury and he comes tries to come back see what happens then because I I guarantee you it's like you keep adding poisons it's like a cup filling up and then it overflows and all these symptoms start coming out right yeah and uh I think that's that young people have a lot more resilience and they can get away with eating things that aren't great I still my son I still give him whole milk with dinner every now and then you know he can handle that he's an athlete he's in great shape um he did lose 10 pounds though when he went carnivore it was amazing I didn't think he could but he and I looked at him he he just leaned up he had what I call gamer butt a little bit from playing games too much May and he just like looks like an athlete now like a track athlete right so it's pretty awesome yeah yeah good yeah well with you know with Dr saladino like I mean predominantly what he eats is meat you know you know and Whole Foods yeah exactly he's cutting out all this other crap and so you know I mean you know compared to just everyone else on earth like he's eating great you know um is it is it the best that you can ever do I I don't think so I think that you know uh what I'm doing is the best you could ever do which is why I'm doing it right but he's doing so much better than than anybody else and and he works out a lot you know and so that can that can also help as well so I think that um you know you're you're still you know even if you know just as long as you're moving towards the direction of eating a lot more meat and eating a lot less garbage it it's going to be really really beneficial to you now if you're if you're suffering with mental health issues and autism and those sorts of things I really do think that that getting rid of the carbohydrates is really important because that has just that has just been shown uh time and time again in clinical studies and humans that that's that that's really important to uh to get rid of those things and that improves mitochondrial health and autophagy and all these sorts of things and so you know if you are in otherwise you know good health and and so on you know and you want to eat some fruit every now and then and you feel fine doing that go for it a lot of people don't a lot of people eat the fruit or the honey and they don't feel great and they come off of it and they feel better great some people feel fine don't have a I don't care what people eat I really don't care I just don't care what people eat as long as that's their choice and they're doing something that they want and they and they understand I just want people to understand that there's a there's a different argument on what's healthy and just so they know that and and and understand that they can do whatever the hell they want you know if you understand that smoking and drinking is bad for you but you choose to do it fine go for it I I don't care I'm very libertarian in that regard I'm I want people to be able to make their own decisions I just don't want them to smoke and drink because their doctor told them no it's really good you have to drink at least you know a liter of vodka a day and you know smoke a pack of cigarettes or else you're going to get heart disease you know I mean I think that's insane you know so you know that sort of idea of us eating something is completely opposite to our biological design um I think that you know that that being told that we're supposed to eat that is is really fool hearty and dangerous and so I don't that's all I want but if you choose to do that go for it um but you know some people will go down eat a bunch of of fruit and honey and things like that and uh but they come from you know a past of of carb addiction and issues with with uh you know sort of addiction to food and and those sorts of cravings and that just sort of opens up that can of worm and they start eating more fruit and more honey and more fruit and more honey and then they started eating you know bread and pasta and pizza and 6 months later they're you know drinking sodas and Pizza on the couch again and they've lost all their all the ground that they gained and uh and I've seen that and I've seen people do I even talked to Dr solino about that and he said he's just like yeah I still haven't figured that one out on how to prevent people from from doing that you know and it's not everyone but if you recognize that that's you probably idea to avoid it but if you want to try some fruit or try some this fine see how it makes you feel see what it makes you do and uh you can try not doing it and just eating just the meat see how it makes you feel and and um and and just you pick for yourself which one you like best yeah I I reintroduced coffee a couple weeks ago I think maybe a week ago and at first I was like okay cool great and I didn't get sore I was waiting for your story where I start getting sore I was like okay that didn't happen to me that's good but I started getting a tickle in my throat and having to clear my throat like a lot during my videos so my last two weeks of videos I was doing like that a lot and then I realized oh my gosh that's ever since I did coffee that so two days ago I stopped coffee guess what I don't have to clear my throat anymore so whatever it was I don't know could be a reaction to the mold or whatever it doesn't matter I'm just not going to do coffee more so today I had my cup of uh of beef stock or you know bone broth with a little I put a little smoked salt in there and butter and I just heat it up and that giv you a little bitterness it's good and that's my coffee replacement and you know after being in the military so many years I was totally addicted to coffee and I'm a carb adct too so I can't do sugar either and what I do I mean people are get very dogmatic about this diet I i' I've learned being I'm single so when I date I don't usually bring up religion politics or Diet at first because until I order right because it's like it's gonna and then when I order I'm like hey do you want my sides because I'm just getting meat you know and uh anyway so the uh the whole thing about the Dogma is I tell people on on like on my Facebook form and stuff Hey listen if you're going to correct someone that's cool because you can tell them what's right you know but the way to do it is just say hey like the best practices for the optimum results is this uh you can do what you want to do but eating honey is definitely not one of the best practices of being a carnivore right and if you put it that way it's not you're not slamming them you're not saying I can't believe you're needy that's stupid that's not carnivore it's like that you know tone it down just give him some advice say listen yeah you know I don't do that because I'm addicted to sugar and I know it makes me crave things so I don't have any sweeteners and that's a best practice for carnivore and if you put it that way I think we can be a lot more civil and have better discussions because on online it gets pretty crazy sometimes where people get like yeah on both sides of coin I can't believe how mean these people are you know you I'm sure you've seen it there's a lot of Dogma out here yeah yeah and then and then you get a lot of you know keyboard Warriors that just get pissed off this is [ __ ] you know where normally if you have to actually somebody and talk to them in the same room uh it's a much more discussion you know and and I wish we could sort of keep it that way as well but um Larry unfortunately I have I have another meeting I have to get to but it's been an absolute pleasure um can you tell people um you know where where they can find you in your YouTube channel and all that good stuff sure my YouTube channel is at carnivore Soldier and I have a web page has all my links on it Carnivor soldier.carnegie just Anthony chaffy MD and so chaffy spell c ha fou e um and that's the same as my my Instagram is just Anthony chaffy MD um and then uh my podcast is just called the plant-free MD just talking about carnivore and and why it's important to not only eat more meat but but specifically exclude plants and other sorts of things and uh yeah and uh well that that was that was great I'll put all your links in there and I'll put the links for uh Professor Chris Palmer um and his and the interview I did with him for people that want to look at that and who haven't seen it and um and if yeah if we want to do something like this again that would be great and um yeah yeah pleasure pleasure you too Anthony talk to you later observational study what kind of nonsense is that you know that that's that you're you're basing like the health of your existence on an observational study maybe maybe not not uh the best thing to do I mean that's very lowlevel evidence you know maybe it's true it could be you know there've been observational studies that were you know borne out um and and ended up being true but it's very lowlevel evidence so you know you're going to you're going to you're going to you know you know change your practice and you know based on that