Healing Autoimmune Disease Was NEVER This Easy! | Phil Escott

you can explain to what somebody needs to do in 5 minutes it's so easy but the problem is getting through the brainwashing because on every level you know it even if it's not veganism or vegetarianism it's oh what you need is a balanced diet what does that even mean you go into the the rheumatologist office and they say this is incurable and you're going to have to be on these pills for the rest of your life but when they come on a concert with me I go well you know you fat up a bit we all do but you're going to go through this journey and you're going to come out the other side way better and it's going to be so cool and I can't wait to see your healing welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining another episode of the plant-free MD I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a return guest and good friend of mine Phil escot Phil thank you very much for coming on oh man thank you so much for for getting me back on it was it was prompted I sent I sent Anthony a big ranty email a while ago of just like I I I am just so fed up with the medical system and I'm so fed up with you know people not finding their way out of these things and uh so very kindly had me back on to have a couple of rants we got a few other things to talk about too oh you're fine so so um so in fact it's sort of a good good time to announce it as well but uh Phil and um the group that he works with over in the UK they're actually putting together a conference uh Retreat sort of thing for a week in Spain next October and they they've kindly invited me to that as well so I'll be going to that also sort of towards the end of October and so uh you maybe tell us a bit about that one of the dates for that and um if you know tell us a bit about it so people are interested there's still there's still room so if people want to sign up they can get in contact with who sure yeah well um we did this Carnival conference in 2019 and it was just magical it was organized by mostly my friend Lynn Hardy who lives really close to that who you you'll meet she's wonderful and she gave us one of her beautiful sort of three million euro um Villas to stay in and whatever and and found this beautiful resort to have the um to have the conference in and it's like a converted Monastery and it's just beautiful buildings gorgeous rooms lovely mountainous surroundings and uh a nice pool and whatever beautiful grounds and we had such a great time we had uh Paul maber zeroc carb do out there we had Sophia Clemens who since become a really good friend you know and she was wonderful out there and she's coming to this one as well and sne will be at this one and we just heard the other day that Natasha Campbell McBride will be there as well so we're going to be some great people and it's it's just so it's so chilled you know the the chefs there are amazing they did some fantastic Carnival Food last time and it's just great because it's across the whole week and it's proper luxury yeah it is quite a high ticket one but it's it's such luxury it's all across the week and you can just you know sit out and hang around with people around the pool and and chat and uh that's that's half the fun of it rather than the talks you know the talks are great but just that sort of social interaction action only about sort of room for about you know there's about 36 rooms there or whatever so so get bed but it was uh it was fantastic and I'm really looking forward to it this time because I've talked to Anthony so much never met him yet you know I've stood I've stood next to Shawn Baker and been humiliated so I want to stand next to Anthony and be humiliated as well well he's bigger than me so you know won't be won't be too much it'll be it'll be more even even ground so you can find that yeah the if you go to the bigfat challenge.com and you can see the events up the top and we've got another one coming up in the UK at Easter with um Sophia's on Zoom from Hungary and we've got um doc Malik amazing character with a wonderful podcast in in in the UK and he's coming along he's become a good mate as well he's hilarious and uh we've got uh we got Richard Smith who you know as well don't you yeah yeah we'll probably actually I'll probably see you before that the phc thing Richard will be there there Richard and we got uh we got Steven Thomas and Ben and me and Andrew scarber too oh yeah great there and he's he's a good old friend of mine known for known him for a long time what an incredible story as well you know with his fantastic so um yeah and that's in the Peak District over Easter and that's that's soon so yeah have a have a look at the big fat challenge.com but my link Tre is underneath I think you can find it all through there but anyway enough advertising yeah well no that would be good and like well be good to see all them you know um Andrew is is very inspirational story you know he's got he's got this for people that haven't seen my interview with him they I I recommend they do he is a 10 plus year Survivor of GL blastoma brain cancer that was it was actually a very aggressive form so GL blastoma is already the most aggressive kind but he has the most aggressive kind of the most aggressive kind of of brain tumors so very very bad news this is something that you have a couple months from time of diagnosis um it's um especially without surgery I mean you're you're counting your days so he only was able to get a partial reection because part of it was in his motor strip and so he couldn't couldn't get a full reection which obviously is not going to be as good of an outcome typically then when he was getting chemo and radiation they found that it was the the really bad kind of the even worse kind of gbn um and um he basically decided to foro chemo radiation because they don't they don't really work and so he looked at that and said look the things aren't really sensitive to this uh this thing's not really sensitive to Cho and radiation so I'm just going to just going to cut it and try something else he found Professor seed started doing ketogenic metabolic therapies basically carnivore now he's pretty much carnivore isn't he and um he's he's he's very strict I mean I've been to dinner with him a couple of times and it's like you know he's he even checks in a Brazilian restaurant if they've been anywhere near it with any herbs or seed oils or anything you know yeah yeah well and he no no to the pork or chicken when it comes around which I'll ever go out when I go out but you know he's very very strict yeah he is good and so and now he's 10 plus years down the track and last time I spoke to him he was saying that his his MRIs were showing uh clear so you know it's not even that it's not even that he had the full rection and it just kept it from coming back it actually made the tumor that the cancer that was their Reed so last time I spoke with him he said that they actually couldn't see any tumor left which is amazing and that is an exception people need to understand that that's not typical of anybody who has a GBM but it's something that we're seeing more and more and more when people apply ketogenic metabolic therapy to it and there are studies on this there are multiple case reports there are multiple case series from Top institutions such as um Cedar Sinai Medical Center in America uh Dr Hugh there hu has uh uses this um in his treatment for his cancer patients and is now doing a uh phase two trial with trying to recruit like 120 160 patients with GBM to to do this as a as like a a first line treatment not just because all these other people are doing is like a a fourth line treatment they get surgery they get chemo they get radiation the tumor comes back they get reection again they get more radiation they get more chemo then they do then they comes back again they do another resection they can't do more chemo it's too much or they can't do much uh more radiation and then the chemo is not working so then they go toastin which is just know death on Wheels you know you once you do that you can't even get surgery anymore the brain's just so Frable it just just bleeds and melts apart so once you get that you're you're not you're not getting any more reections and um and then after all that they put them on ketogenic met olc therapy and and at least at the time of that um publication of the I think it was 15 only two had died and those are the two had come off the diet one was a one was a former vegan then went to ketogenic metabolic therapy you know generally it's hard to do on a vegan diet um certainly not safely uh and so they started eating meat fatty meat all those sorts of things and actually had recession uh or or yeah sort of it didn't go into full remission but it was shrinking on on MRI and so it was shrinking down he was getting neurological recovery and improving uh from multiple aspects and then after a year or so which is you know a year longer than he probably would have lived without it he said look I can't really do this lifestyle anymore I can't I don't really like eating meat this doesn't work with my social life I want to be out with my My Vegan friends and do vegan things and he died which is very sad you know it's it's it's very serious and so this is this is amazing that we're seeing uh people like Andrew uh get better and and and now he's doing his own clinical trials at tring Cross hospital and he is yeah he's making some making some good waves in the cancer research Department isn't he it's just marvelous to see and I mean he is so healthy and he looks ridiculously young I mean he's coming up to 40 now and he looks like late 20s and he he looks I did not realize that I thought I thought he was like 30 or something like that no no he looks he looks great he really does and you know it definitely listen to Anthony's chat with him I I've had one I've had him on my my my podcast as well and if you go to the big fat Challenge and that event page I've got interviews with all the speakers including including Andrew and yeah it's a wonderful story he's cool but I mean some of the things he's been through and you know just trying to get clean meat even eating bugs and stuff you know not not the not the cloud Schwab bugs but you know meal worms and stuff like that that he was getting from pet stores and things like that reptile places and he's done some he's done some amazing things you know during his time but a really cool story well worth listening to and you know the whole thing about this this this cancer business and the results that Sophia's getting you know pale medic Sophia Clemons it's it's got to come out now I mean even even my mom you know the the um video I've got on my YouTube channel of her breast cancer completely sort of reversing and all the skin coming back to normal and whatever very sweet of her you know 93 years old to let me put pictures of that up on YouTube but yeah you know it was a great story and um the the oncologist hadn't seen anything like that before and which is what brought me to that rant really because I mean my own issue of sertic arthritis I mean how many rheumatologists have ever seen a a river of it I don't believe they've seen it and and when I went back I think I said on one of our other chats that you know when I went back to show off and and say you know hey check this out how well I done he got angry and screamed and told me I needed um meth trate and because you know it takes away their livelihood doesn't it if this if you just eat meat and it happens but the times that they I think I saw three rheumatologists in my time um and it was only a short time of a few months back in 2010 when I was panicked you know and I soon realized had nothing to give me but they said you know they categorically State diet is not going to help and this is probably they they've seen some dude you know give up bread for a week and they didn't get completely better so they go right it doesn't work it takes a little bit more than that right hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat F and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys and how I you know how I I stressed on my last chat with you that you know how sick I got last winter from just you know coming off the the the kind of PKD and and and ruminant animal fatty ruminant animal meat um I feel so much better when I'm on just lamb and beef but I let it sliit with a bit of dairy pork chicken Dairy and eggs and got in terrible trouble but that was our last chat but yeah fine now up more weight since last time but you know I freaked you out with a CRP of 192 I think and you know so you know if if it can do that to me after like eight years Carnival just a bit of a slip up it's the rheumatologists are never going to see it they're never going to see it and the the whole Facebook is full of of these you know heel arthritis naturally groups and whatever I think I've been thrown out of all of them now which is why I started my own because if you dare to say in in these that it can be reversed they get angry with you and you know they say they're healing it naturally but you can tell you go into the group right and there's a banner pick of all these berries and green leaves and all of that kind of thing and you think oh there's going to be trouble here and you scroll down and yeah there's people talking about you know how you getting on with umbrell and have you taken methat TRX Sate and has it worked and they're po posting pictures of their big fat fingers you know and they're in terrible pain and and they're they're they're not healing and these shots are like what like five grand a hit or something some of these biologics expensive yeah and it's bankrupting people and and and so I had to have that rent to anony a little while ago like I I just just love to find a way you know with my shadow bound YouTube channel and whatever getting out there and saying you know let's get to some of these people with this because for me the the whole crippling arthritis thing is is is just you know home territory to me and I love love it when when somebody comes along for a consult with me and the first thing that I'll say you know they come on obvious often very depressed because I've had it myself you go into the the rheumatologist office and they say this is incurable and you're going to have to be on these pills for the rest of your life and then we'll have to mon monitor you to see if we're blowing up your liver and all that and detaching your retina and all that kind of thing so that happens but when they come on a concer with me I go well you know you up a bit we all do but you're going to go through this journey and you're going to come out the other side way better and it's going to be so cool and I can't wait to see your healing you know and if if if you can see them at the end of the consult they're beaming you know they're going well I've Got Confidence now you know but you have to take them you can explain can't you you can explain to what somebody needs to do in five minutes it's so easy but the problem is getting through the brainwashing because on every level you know it even if it's not veganism and vegetarianism it's oh what you need is a balance diet what does that even mean I mean Ben and I made a video on this the other day it's just nonsense it means balance of stuff that your speci your species is supposed to eat with a load of stuff that it isn't you know balanced diet Stak in each hand right yeah that's what it is and and it's just you know and then you've got the five a day eat the rainbow fiber all of this stuff so you have to get through the levels of brainwashing and that's what I find that I'm I'm I'm good at whereas other people just kind tell them what to do and then they'll fall off the wagon and you've got to take people right through their levels and levels and levels of brainwashing e so much of it yeah and balanced diet is balance of nutrients and balance of poison right balance that's what it is that's it that's what it is you know balance of things you do want balance of things you don't want otherwise it's just the things you want that's unbalanced right I mean what the hell are we talking about you know balanced diet is a balance of all the essential nutrients all the nutrients uh in the right balance so the right proportions of these things and that's what a steak is that's what fatty meat is is a perfect proportion of all the nutrients and fats and and proteins that you need and nothing else and that's it's the they don't know they don't know though do they you say what is a balance that was it even mean they haven't got any idea it's just some weird phrase that's been brainwashed got to eat the rainbow you know which is more applicable now than ever you know with all the different parades and things going on and you know and then um and uh the problem I think is that people think that everything you eat only has nutrition you know and if that were the case then that'd be fine you get the things from bread you get things from grains you get them from you know greens and salads and and you know hash browns whatever and meat and you just you need all these things they all have new I mean that's what an omnivore means really if you're if you're an obligate omnivore right not just a situational uh omnivore where you you sort of do it to survive or because it's convenient um if you're an oblig get omnivores I don't think necessarily exists uh that means there you have to get that balance there there are things you have to get from these multiple food groups and they call these food groups that's I mean that's the biggest marketing propaganda I think I've ever heard it's not a food group it's not food you know these things aren't food eucalyptus is not food for us well it's a food group you know it's leafy greens you know no that's not food for us so food for us is what we're biologically designed to eat and you know people can deny that all they want but you know they're only denying reality and um you know so that's that's the thing is that um that's the balance you need you need actual balance of nutrients you don't need a balance of poison yeah yeah and and it's amazing how through the centuries through the Millennia really we've been fooled in on so many levels and so it's just stuck so deeply I mean I have to say I don't know if I'm allowed to say that you've this book coming up and I've had a couple couple of little sneak previews of it and it's damn good I mean serious that it's fantastic I mean some of the concepts in there are so cool to to disassemble people's brainwashing and I've got to have a bit of a wave around because we got just this out in the past days and the red pill food Revolution and you know that I was part of but Ben put most of the word well all the words together for it out of our chats on zoom and whatever but this is beautiful of of of of all the the you know how everybody has been completely fooled you know what's actually happened down the down the Millennia down the centuries and when you actually look into it it's astonishing isn't it you know and a lot of it has come from all the religious and spiritual propaganda you know whether it's a Hinduism over you know taking over aeda which it always always said you know in the old text that um the meat of freshly killed animals is like Amrit like nectar the most nourishing thing for the body and yet and now with the Seventh Day Adventist you know which you've covered a whole lot on your channel and you know it's incredible really what what's what's G on and once people see the history of it and and and then the penny starts to drop gradually wow okay you know this is what's happened but the the the difficulty is the difficulty is I think making people realize that you know how how you say I love it I've I've taken over this expression as well you know people say we're all different you know we've all got a different diet and that this would be would make us the only species in nature that that was true for you know and I said it on a consult just now this morning you know I was chatting to a guy who you know I know who was part of the Transcendental Meditation movement which fooled me into the whole plant-based thing and he's woken up he's 77 and he's saying that all these old guys now in the in the TM movement with all the you know the grains and the pulses and all of that the Indian vegetarian stuff they're all falling to bits you know and um we we we've been it's it's it's all the spiritual kind of thing that's that's taken it over and when you think that you know it was it was just the the weird visions of an 18-year-old girl in the 18th century that's probably come up brought about all of this dietary nonsense in the Seventh Day Advent and you show somebody that you go you know well the science is on our side no it's not man you you've got the visions of an 18y old girl we've got the whole of human history yeah crazy isn't it really yeah and you know and and the thing is you've got the science on the side what science you know science is the biology the biochemistry the anthropology the the the clear change in the fossil record between hunter gatherers to agrarian they they shrunk by four or five inches their brain shrank by 11% in Men 177% in women that higher rate or or all these signs of infectious disease tuberculosis in their spines small jaws crooked teeth fallen arches you know all of these other sorts of signs that that people became much less healthy and remained much less healthy as well and so you know the idea that this is just we weren't eating any of these things for millions of years but then oh just thankfully we just we just came to the Holy Land and like oh we just started eating random ass plants and then now our health is just improved randomly like that makes no sense you know anybody study biology and can think you know past that cloud of misinformation and indoctrination would understand that I mean that that is that what we would be the only animal species on Earth that that didn't apply to you know all these other animal species you know the the food that they're adapted to is good for them and the plants that they're not adapted to are bad for them any animal can eat meat horses eat little ducklings and I've seen elk eat rabbits um any animal can eat meat because that's what we're trying to do we're trying to get the nutrients and building blocks to grow build and maintain meat because we are meat right and so it's very easy to turn meat into meat it's very difficult to turn plants into meat it's a different form of life and so only a few animals are able to do that and so you know uh a horse can eat ducklings but it doesn't have access duckling it's can't go hunt and all that sort of stuff so it's it's it's evolutionary Niche is eating grass right but 70% of animal species are carnivores and they just eat other animals because they don't have that adaptation they weren't able to to shift over and eat plants that you know we keep doing it for long enough for hundreds of thousands of years sure you know we'll change it's not going to happen in your life time that's not how Evolution Works people say well if you do it for long enough you you'll change do you know what evolution is you know it's not it doesn't happen in your lifetime there's there's like a little switch a little change a little change a little change over hundreds thousands of generations and you just get a little more adapted and adjusted to surviving under a different circumstances it's a very slow process and yeah I have a I have a a boa constrictor and however much I wave broccoli around in front of him he's not going to strike at it you know no he's not have anything to do with it no yeah that's it you know it's um you take all the Bo coners in the world and you feed them rats or you feed them broccoli they're not they're all different they're all unique little snowflakes but not a single one is going to do better on Broccoli than it is on rodents right and same with with um you know lions and same with us you know no one's going to do better on Broccoli than they will on a steak yeah it's funny did you see that that thing where there was some vegans you know and and there was some discussion about you know herbivorous animals and whatever and they said that they wanted to put up a fence across the Serengeti to separate the um carnivorous animals from the herbivorous ones because eventually the Lions will learn to eat plants that makes sense it's a mental illness man well that that is yeah I mean that that's again that's just strictly denying reality I saw I I saw one that like a meme or a post that that like a vegan person put up years ago it was these two male lions and they they taken down like this this big like Eland or something like that in Africa and it was like on the on the street on the road so there's all these cars sort of there and they everyone had to stop the traffic had to stop because there's these two lines just gorging on this thing and and they wrote in the post it's like this is so sad this is so sad to see someone had to teach those Lions to eat meat If Only They instead had taught them to eat plants you know then everyone could be live and free and just be eat plants everything would just be wonderful and nice um no like sweetie like it's like no one trained these these animals like it's not like a human went out there and and Coach them on how to eat these animals like that's that's what they were born to do I mean it's just it's so sad that the level of brainwashing that has happened and it's and it's continued you know it started with LG white saying well this is sinful you know but no one denied that we were apex predators until I don't know five weeks ago this is crazy to me I mean I was I was taught this as a as a as a grade schooler the humans were apex predators I mean this is just these are just the facts and for a while it was like well we don't want to hurt animals isn't that sad and oh fat makes you fat cholesterol is bad for your heart move towards vegetables and um and so that's fine but if you want to do that and you think that that's going to benefit you that's your choice but for decades no no one was denying that we were apex predators no one was denying that we we at ate meat for millions of years now they are now they oh we can't be we can't be Predators we don't have fangs it's like and neither do neither do eagles idiot you know it's like you don't need fangs in order to be a carnivore and gorillas have fangs too are they carnivores you know there's many fish most fish eat other fish most species of fish eat other fish they're carnivores most of them don't have teeth right so you don't need teeth and Claws to be able to eat other animals um did you see did you see bar K's takeown of that um vegan doc oh man it's hilarious he came he was just on grinning oh what's his name I can't remember his name now but it's it was he had a debate with him um recently and he just kind of grinned through the whole thing and Bart just pulled apart every single thing Bart knew all the studies that this dude bringing up better than that guy did you know and and then the guy went away Peter something Peter Rogers I think his name is and and then he went away and did the normal vegan thing of getting really aggressive afterwards you know like they do I think that dude did with you as well didn't he you know he went off and made some video afterwards because they don't do it on the spot they don't they don't kind of front up on the spot they do in in in you know typing but I mean again if someone's listening to this say we're vegan bashing no we're veganism bashing you know it's it's the awful process that catches people into this but you know I think anybody out there calling themselves a doc and is still promoting this kind of thing is fair game you know whatever B did and went for him and he was really sort of crying in his corner and going oh he's been so unkind all he did was call me names no he blew up all your science but he was yeah he was kind of harsh with you but I think it was totally justified and Bart's kind of funny you know I mean Bart behind the scenes is so sweet he's such a lovely guy he people he puts that character on you know doesn't he but uh you know he took him apart and then then of course this guy went off and made this this funny video with all these little kind of cartoon drawings like a like a three-year-old you know to demonstrate how right he was he shouldn't have done that because then Bart went through that video and gave him another spank it was hilarious man the poor guy you know and then I I had to say a couple of things you know on on the channel and now he's called me the Hulk Hogan of of carnivore trolls that even mean well I take it you know a compliment yeah exactly but it was funny you know I wasn't rude at all but they kind of imply you are we never are really you just say oh come on this is ridiculous it was when he made a video what pissed me off was when he made a video about um how essential fiber is for autoimmunity I was like you you have never been you have never been aut well it is yeah saying it's essential to to bring about autoimmunity I agree yeah exactly and then he and then you say they say things like why don't you go off and research I go M I've been looking at this for 40 years I was wrong for 30 I wrote books on this plant-based crap look where it ended me you know look where I ended up and and it's it so I I believe these people really you know it's part of my rant because the docks need to be taken down when you have doctor in front of your name you get taken so seriously and and they don't realize they have like you know five minutes training in the wrong diet you know if they're seven years of learning to be a you know legalized drug Pusher or whatever and it's you know I I noticed so often that it's the surgeons who wake up because that's a totally cool branch of medicine right people go well what are you going to do if you break your leg I'm not trashing the whole of the medical system I'm trashing these drug pushers that's what I'm trashing it and it's it's so important to me I you know that the whole I I did a video a while ago um on my channel called criminal rheumatologist destroys family and it it was because I had a somebody who I consulted with who whose kid was like six years old she had juvenile rheumatoid arthritis she was in real trouble and she didn't want her to take a load of methat TRX a and then she got in terrible trouble with with Social Services police everything and they were trying to take the kids away and she ended up on the Run just to keep her kids Jesus and it was horrific and and I I made this video specifically for this rheumatologist and sent it to him you know it's it's on my channel anyway but I got really pissed off with that because when it comes to kids it's like come on and the same thing happens with cancer isn't it if you don't want to go down that route you can have your kids taken away and and you know zophia is going to do at at our on health conference at Easter I persuaded her not to do the whole thing on the science she's going to do some on G blastoma that because um Anthony's there Andrew is there and it it kind of um ties in but um she's going to do some on you know this horrendous treatment that she's had where you can imagine that they have incredible success but so many people get caught up in the in in in the system that when they eventually end up going to paleo medic there within days of dying like you know this is like the last resort and what can you do then and then she gets the blame and then Social Services come in you know child protection and stuff like that and so she you know she gets a hell of a load of stick over there and and this is what's happening and just you know to to to bring people round to the fact I'm not militant we're not mil on our big fat challenge that I run with Ben you know people go oh you're all militant and everybody has to go PKD or whatever the no you know people could do whatever they like but if you present them with the evidence of what's happened then when they really need it they can maybe how how many lives would be saved if if those people who didn't go through all the chemo and all the craziness went to Zia first you know or somebody I I mean I find it much more difficult on consults when people have have had it for like 20 years and they've been on all the drugs because then you're battling against the damage of the drugs and whatever as well and so to give them that as an option to start with would be wonderful but the trouble is it's going to put them out of business right the rheumatologists are not going to be driving their smart cars anymore yeah well you know the the thing is too is that it you know it does it doesn't have to take away from from those things especially with cancer I mean KET metabolic therapy has has been shown to be a very a beneficial adjunct to chemo and radiation so makes it more effective right it does yeah and it makes it safer too so there's a study in 2018 and one in 2019 one was looking at Chemo one was looking at radiation with with ketogenic well basic ketogenic diets and they found in both that there was a benefit there was a protection to your your normal cell so so people didn't get as much damage radiation and chemo damage to their their native cells and they got um they sensitized the cancer cells more so it did better against the cancer and protected the patient more so you know even if it had even if there wasn't this whole um field of cancer biology that shows that this is this is very important to limit the amount of energy supply to the to the cancers by limiting glucose intake and lowering your gki um there's that you know you you protect your body and you make chemo and radiation work better so this is not one or the other this is not oh do this crazy loopy new age thing well first of all this is being taught in cancer biology cancer biology courses at the top institutions in America and and we have studies on studies on studies showing this in humans and in in pre-clinical trials in animals and um and it's an adjunct you can do this as well right you know if you if you don't want to do that that's your choice like uh Andrew chose not to do that but you absolutely can I mean I I probably would if I got a GBM I probably wouldn't waste my time honestly just because doesn't doesn't do much maybe adds a couple months uh which is not what I'm going for and and you get the the different side effects and I had a a good friend of mine actually she uh uh passed well I assume she passed away recently because I haven't I haven't really she sort of went MIA and she was having you know worse and worse problems and then her husband sort of messaged me and said you know thanks for all your help and she's not doing well and so I haven't really heard anything from there but she had a GBM for for six years you know and she had said multifocal GBM so she had multiple spots in her brain and she had uh you know previous reection there where came up in multiple spots around her brain I told her about all this six years ago plus and she just went screw it I'll try it you know and she just kept going and going and going she was doing really well and you know some and and she wasn't even 100% strict like Andrew was you know at the you know I was talking to her sort of at the 5year Mark and she was saying yeah I just had an MRI there's no sign of disease like wow that's amazing you know that's really great and then she was saying yeah you know it's this with lifestyle you know I want to be able to to live my life a bit and you know got kids I want to be able to enjoy things with them started coming back you know and she's like okay I need to be all over this and so she started going on it again she did it really uh you know really strictly and um she was doing well and her her doctor recommended going and doing radiation again she declined very quickly very very quickly um you can get swelling of the brain with radiation you can get uh radiation necrosis and that and people can die from that you can die from radiation necrosis um Professor sea freed has a a published case report where this lady lived I think she lived how long was it I don't know seven seven years or so past where they thought she was going to live and then um when or was it well anyway one of the case reports that that he has um doing very very well then you know doctor wanted him to do uh another round of radiation hit it with radiation same thing he had um uh radiation necrosis and he ended up dying from it and so for me I probably would would forego I'd get Sur if it was operable and then i' I mean I wouldn't wouldn't be too much different than now than just fasting you know and I get get it on with like a glutamine inhibitor and I would just do long aggressive fasts like 14 to 21 days refeed 11 11 day dry fast and that's it well yeah you probably pull that out but um I don't know I like you seen that that that amazing research of the Russians filinov and one other one you know of the dry fasting but I've I I wish I'd known about back in the day because I used to do very long water fasts when I was too frightened to eat because I was eating eating the wrong stuff and it was the only thing that would take away the inflammation in the joints but I lost a lot of muscle with it and the dry fasting that can you know pre preserve the muscle and much quicker into autophagy and apoptosis and um the stem cell release and then these acidotic crises and whatever but there's a there's a book filinov's written a book you know I forgotten his first name but um and there's also the YouTube channel um um what's his name August Dunning and his YouTube channel is the Phoenix protocol and he's more into sort of like a 7-Day dry fast every year you know or maybe twice a year for longevity and T themir length and that kind of thing but you know the the the the stuff around dry fasting and when I've tried it it is quite amazing how you know the body will not break down the muscle but it will go for all the useless cells and then try to find the water that it needs did it once when it was actually just before the carnival conference and from the damage that was in my knee I had a Baker cyst at the back of it I didn't really know about um but it burst one day and dumped all the fluid down my calf and it was really painful I thought oh hang on this is I felt a little bit of a tear at the back of the knee and then my knee was moving much better than normal and I thought oh that's nice you know that's cool hang on a minute my left Cal's twice the size of the right one I know what's happened and so I went to the hospital I took a bag you know and I thought yay they'll keep me in overnight they'll give me a bit of a knee wash as long as they don't put any steroids in there or cut anything out just give me a bit of a knee wash they'll have to do it now weren't they I said to the misss yay it's great and I went in there going yay I've got a burst bake assist it's cool and they're going why are you so happy I said well you know then you can maybe wash some of the gunk out that's been in there you know as long as you don't put anything nasty in there they went yeah you got a burst bake assist just go home I'm that oh God you can't even when you want something medical you can't get it you know so anyway they said you know that that that fluid is in the calf if your if your your foot goes numb it could be serious you know we'll have to drain it but it's going to take weeks to for that to to reabsorb I did a 4-day dry fast and I went back for an appointment in a week there was no fluid in the whole lot had gone they said how on Earth did you do that and I said I just a four day dry fast they said well don't you die after three days no without water no maybe if you're walking around in the desert and you're sweating and you're totally dehydrated may be but no people don't you die after three days like yes I'm speaking to you from the grave you know exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah this is this is through a Ouija board yeah I but yeah it's fine I mean not not even thirsty on the third day it just gets easier and easier but I do find dry fasting a lot more um effective than water fasting but and a lot easier but um yeah I can see Z zophia is sitting on my shoulder there wanting to give me a slap and say never fast never fast she says that because you know she's always thinking that the PKD is so effective that high fat carnivore diet and most people go into it with no complete lack of nutrients but if you do have a specific thing like I've been carnivore I probably wasn't lacking in nutrients i' just burst this bake assist and I wanted to see how quickly it would mop up extraneous fluid in the body you know and and there are incredible stories of people just getting rid of like pancreatic cancer and whatever with an 11-day one two separate Russian researchers I believe um were were came to the same conclusion that there was this sort of magical period of about 11 days it can get a bit dodgy but you know if if the heart rate goes up over 120 bailout you know there's certain warning signs it's not completely safe for everybody at that length but as long as you know what you're doing and and you know when to pull out if you have to some incredible results yeah I'm a big dry fasting fan now I don't find the need to do it much anymore but you know fantastic thing to do nice so so two questions one can you tell us about that because I haven't seen that study about about the the benefits from from 11-day fast or doing those extended dry fasting and and why that's necessarily better than than a wet fast or the other question is I assume that these studies were done in the context of of comparing to the general population in a general diet because I the the studies you know it's limited but there are studies on comparing fasting to ketogenic diet it's called a fasting mimicking diet and they seem to have very similar results in fact some where you're just fasting and these are water fast um you know people can lose their hair or they'll have other sorts of side effects whereas when you're having food you don't get those side effects generally about 100 100 grams of protein a day you don't have the hair loss for example on a longer fast um but what is it about about uh dry facets so good where's the sort of The Sweet Spot for it that that you start getting real results and do you think that this is a benefit on top of just being in the right metabolic State on a carnivore diet hey everyone if you need a little extra help getting started on a carnivore diet and my online resources that I have for free aren't enough for you you can go to www.how to carnivore decom and sign up for a 30-day carnivore challenge where you'll have online Resources Group support weekly Zoom meetings as well as the ability to chat live with myself Simon Lewis and the others in the challenge who can help you and support you and give you extra advice and help you along the way so if that sounds like something that would be beneficial to you then please go to howt carnivore decom and sign up all right thanks guys we'll see you there I think it really depends you know um if somebody's got a particular issue that they want to try and speed up um it can it can definitely help um I I don't think it's necessary I really don't I'll agree with zir on that but if you're a bit of a biohacker and you want to try it no harm done I mean Sophia says that she sees weird blood results while people are fasting whether it's dry or wet I don't know but then again I would I would challenge that a little bit even though she's a real hero of mine and say well you know in the same way as when people go Carnival the blood results are different and people get alarmed by them maybe when you're fasting the blood results are fine and the body knows what it's doing because ancestrally of of course we'd have fasted we we we wouldn't have had a mammoth a day right it didn't happen so you know there would have been periods when we were fasting so it is it is ancestral I I don't know about a sweet spot I think it depends what you're going for it can be definitely a quicker reset for people than water fasting and with the with the because I when I was doing a lot of fasting you know I had a gym like late '90s I had quite a bit of muscle and I kept it even for those 10 years until I got really sick but when I tried the veganism and then with with all the fasting I lost a whole load of muscle If instead I'd have gone carnivore and done some dry fasting which tends to preserve muscle um much more than the than the water fasting I think it would have obviously been a hell of a different outcome and that's why I keep you know i' I've had so much experience of this I just I it drives me mad when I drive past a hospital particularly this Hospital of Rheumatology near me there's all these people piling in they can hardly walk and whatever you know and I've been in there and the first thing you smell is toast that they're making them you know in the cafe and they're all sick and and and I just think if you could get this across to people I I feel a particular Affinity obviously with people who are crippled with with rheumatoid arthritis and the longer you let it go on and the more mistakes you make the more damage you'll have you know I've got it was in like 30 joints I've got it out of most of them with no damage but I do have damage in a wrist I do have damage in a knee and if I'd have known about this you know 2010 I'd have no no damage nothing you know you you fix this they they freak you out oh you're going to be in a wheelchair in no time the joint damag this and that you get it within the first couple of years you probably have no joint damage but if you let it tick on longer than that you're going to have a lot of difficulty bringing that joint back you know and getting the thick and cium down and all that kind of thing but just to show people and also you know all the other things whether you use fasting or not you know if you're on a good high fat carnivore diet but beef and lamb only please if you're autoimmune um you know little bit of liver that's about it bit of oily fish that Don't Stray any further than that please um if you're in if you're suffering if if you can get that down but also you know you can speed it up with because my my consults are not just about the about the diet it's it really is the whole ancestral thing all that whole Quantum stuff you know of getting rid of all the other pollutants that we have all the the emfs and um and the artificial light when when I see people who are not getting such great results if it's not the fact that they're eating pork chicken Dairy and eggs it's often that they're not sleeping right yeah they're not getting out in the morning they're not getting their feet on the ground getting the the the the natural light in their eyes to start with and even in their skin you know for all the the melanin and the stuff that Jack Cruz is getting into about melanin now and all through the body you know of how it works not just in the skin I mean I destroyed my melanin even in the skin with all my years of wearing contact lenses sunglasses um being on a plant-based diet probably filling myself with seed oils you know all of this kind of crap and to get all these other things all these ancestral things in one that we also you know we get people doing and we see the difference when people just try one thing and then they get all the things right sometimes it just clicks it into place that last little bit you know we see it on the challenge where we see people from month to month and whatever and it's beautiful and it's so simple to do is it doesn't take long it's not a a great U um intrusion into your life you know change a few light bulbs get some Iris on the computer wear blue blockers now and again you know it's so easy it's so easy and yet so effective and and and it would I want to see I want to see rheumatologists sitting there in their offices twiddling their thumbs because no go into them that's what I want to see or they change their their stick around and actually you know treat people at underlying cause and you know the thing is is that if they're still having problems or they're not able to affect the diet and they just oh I just can't can't do this I want to be on the drugs or I I can only do it partially I need some drugs fine you know but it's like it's like with the you know epilepsy treatment um we used ketogenic diets for decades to to heal people and keep EP and treat epilepsy in the medical establishment and then pharmacology came in and said oh you know these work don't worry about it that's what it was said Tomy CED in doing his postto at Yale in the neurology department was researching ketogenic diets and epilepsy and the and the head of the Department of the neurology um department at neurosciences department at Yale said oh look we've got we've got medications for that now don't worry about it you know it's really hard to counsel people it's easier just to give them a pill and they're effective so don't worry about it that is lazy that's lazy thinking that's lazy practice that's lazy medicine you're doing you're putting some drugs into people that don't need to be there and you're you're causing different sort of side effects and problems and it's not even necessarily fixing the problem or curing it uh it's certainly not curing it it's just masking it and so tell what you absolutely right about that you know to give Alternatives but look at all the new drugs they have that causes so much problems because they're just in the in the pay of the Pharma companies what's the latest one what's the latest one I mean sometimes if people are not willing to go all the way this low do now track Zone it's so safe it's been around for ages and it's it's really really helpful at switching off autoimmunity if you can't go that strict if you go strict you don't need it but they don't prescribe that anymore because it's it's cheap as chips it's nothing it's like $25 a month or something I prescribe it oh good man yeah but you know a lot of say they won't do it yeah if you don't do if you go straight yeah exactly you know it really does work when I wasn't that strict still eating a few veg it got me across a couple of years without any trouble but much better off without either but you know those are the safe things they could do but the stuff they're prescribing is not safe and and they did nothing else will work is is is horrific but it's never going to change until the farma companies change then the docks will you know well yeah and if and if you know and if the the markets change you know people just say we're not accepting that anymore I mean they're going to have to change they're going to have to start providing uh service that that actually people want and if people understand that that that's not the way to go then then they'll have to change they'll have to move at the moment they're fighting it they're trying not to let this information get out cat's out of the bag it's going to this is going to happen um and so you know eventually they'll just they're just going to have to change their their modus operandi but you know that was a thing you know the the was it Goldman Sachs it leaked a um a talk that they gave and the slide said uh is curing disease a viable business model you know it's just like we don't want cure disease we want to treat disease perpetually this is why you want you want statins for the rest of your life this is why you want you know to get someone on young oh yeah rest of your life instead of you know when you have a 20-year-old come in with a testosterone of of an 85y old man and you go oh trt why wouldn't you why wouldn't you address anything else in their life why does it have but just just idopathic you know testicular failure okay idopathic means you don't know look try to figure it out try to try to to address some of these other things um I've had kids come into me and they have just bottomed out testosterone should be SC screaming out of their ears you know at 18 and um and yet you know very very low very low and put him on a carnivore diet two months later you know it nearly triples right that kid could have been on medication the rest of his life if you went to another doctor he probably would have and um and we're doing this over and over and over again we're not we're not trying to actually fix people were just trying to treat them and put them on medications and that kid would have been stuck you know he would have been you know on that for the rest of his life and see you see that so much don't you across the carnival all these people getting their boners back and stuff you know it just sorted out I've got a little little short on my YouTube channel just saying does the carnivore diet give you better bonus check it out so about like like 50 55 seconds long and there somebody who's 61 now coming up 62 it's you know but like 18 again you know and this is a pretty good uh sort of marker as what's going on there whereas on a plant-based di it's kind of slowing down but we see it a lot and women getting their fertility back and all this kind of thing all the hormones that get balanced out it is uh yeah it's worth talking about you know I mean it's a lot of a lot of guys are worried about that kind of thing yeah um Bill and ter us right about I think we got to wrap it up there so I've got I've got another meeting unfortunately obviously worries talk to you all day um however um you know people please do uh take a look at that please do come and join us in Spain in October put the details down below and the website links uh for that and uh bigfat challenge.com is the website correct yeah yeah yeah but I think I sent you my link tree it's all in that if anyone wants to with some some guy who's made all the wrong moves in autoimmunity and knows every single wrong move you could possibly make yeah um come and chat to me but come come and see Anthony in in October come and hang out for a week I'm really looking forward to it and yeah my link treat down there it'll have all the links in Anthony thank you so much for having me back up and if if people want to uh book a a consultation with Phil he does do consultations and obviously very much an expert in autoimmunity I've learned a lot of what I know about autoimmunity from Phil as well so definitely highly recommend him if people need that as well and we'll put the link tree down below and people can can check that out and um from what I here uh Phil's also going to be starting a new YouTube channel and um might be uh having alternate sort of uh Channel there and uh if by the time we get this up I'll put the link down below for that and uh yeah thank you very much everyone and we'll see you next time hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast and if you're on YouTube then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I have a new video video out which should be every week if not more and if you could share this with your friends that would help me get the word out and let me know that you like what I'm doing thanks again guys