Eddie Abbew DESTROYS Modern Diet Myths!

welcome to the plantree MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically I've been meaning to talk to you I mean you can see I don't do this um I've been meaning to have this conversation with you for a very long time but we just keep you know I I become so busy overnight like my life is taking a different turn you know you know B yeah I think it's it's um you know I I always say to people the reason why I have a following is because of the way I'm delivering my message you know I I I learned from a lot of people I learned from I I learned a lot from you because a lot of things didn't make sense until I came across your content and your I didn't a lot of things didn't make sense I'm like that's what it is that's what it is that's what it is you know like the vegetables I mean I've got Lauren who is saying with me Lauren used to you know she had she she couldn't go to the about once a week she only went once a week for for years and it's like we were trying to change all the vegetable sauces and you can see eventually took every all the vegetables out and she was fine and my daughter's same so many people going through that but then it's impossible to tell many people mainstream you know on my page I get berated while you not eating vegetables what's wrong with you you know I don't care now I'm just like I do as clickbait Just Wind them up as you can tell yeah nice that's awesome man um yeah cool well um yeah no I I appreciate this man I know how busy you are and uh you know it's h but it's cool to see you and uh and just yeah and just cat so so there a question I want I want people to really understand so I went to I did a seminar talk yesterday and we talked about athletes trying to can you hear me yeah I I was just going to say maybe I hit record on my end too yeah of course yeah please do yeah no actually this is recording I had no idea no idea me we want to because I'm I'm trying to I've got like there's a lady in my community who was powerlifting and she goes Eddie I'm lifting crazy weights by switching my energy source from mainly carbohydrates fats and I only have a bit of cars before train before and after training just like I advis she goes I'm feeling amazing we got another one who is a marathon runner she says I I've been I've literally just been eating fats and I can run like forever and it's difficult to tell you know I was a bodybuilder for years I was eating High carbohydrate meals six meals today because that works nobody wants to question it because if it because it works nobody thinks that there a more efficient way yeah so how do you how do you how do you go about trying to educate the masses do you think that it's going to be it's going to come to a time where we're going to get people who are going to say you know I'm an athlete I'm going to listen to what Anthony cha is saying I'm going to just try for about six months yeah well the thing is is that um there there's more and more studies coming out and I think a lot of people hang p on on studies and what other pro athletes do and so you know if they you know a lot of people will say like well you know you're not maybe this works for like explosive sort of you know sprinting or weightlifting but it's not going to work for endurance you need the cars or something like that and so no one in the no one in the Tour of France is doing this like well actually Chris f is like a three or four time right and so um and then you then they'll Grumble about that but they'll say well yeah distance is fine but not for sprinting or not for power like well actually you know we've got these other guys so um but there there all anoto they say it's anoto I mean it's no there no studies and all that you know well that that's the other thing they're saying no one in the tour to France is doing this well actually the winner of the tour to France is doing that's just an anecdote like it didn't happen and it did but um uh that's a big anecdote though you know someone wins the tour to France because that's a major maor yeah exactly but um but there there more studies coming out now you know especially with Professor Tim NOS who you know he spent he spent 30-year career um on on with the idea that you need carbs as an elite athlete and he was arguing that because that's how he was taught and so here yeah that's what we all yeah yeah there's no reason to question it so he didn't and then he did question because he was that's why because he was that's what nobody question say yeah that's it exactly so now he's started to question it and he found that it was wrong and so now he's sort of he could have retired on top totally famous his book was selling great you know and um and but he didn't he he's he's basically spending his retirement undoing his own legacy which I think is that's that's Brave isn't it that's Brave and that's yeah I like that yeah so he's coming out with uh you know randomized controlled crossover trials we're getting carb athletes and keto athletes giving them a chance to get keto adapted seeing how they perform they they both perform well there's no drop off in the keto group and then they switch them and say okay now carb groups a keto group and vice versa and again they find as long as you give them a few weeks to to get keto adap yeah yeah yeah there's at least no drop off in in performance and then when you go longer than that when you keto Adept longer like three months mcweeney in 2008 published a large study with Elite Class World level World Class level athletes and Iron Man at ultramarathon runners and they self- selected into keto or carb group they got them three months to get keto adapted and they found that the keto group outperformed The carb athlet that only three months 100% yeah yeah and and then the longer you go the the the bigger that disparity but you know there are some studies that people will go to like the Supernova trial and they say well look at this you know yeah burning fat but you know the performance dropped off okay well look at how it was set up they only gave him like a couple weeks yeah they not giving them enough enough time I mean I've been doing this for a long time and I train you know you see my training I can just keep going and I feel like I I feel I've got more I feel like I've got more energy than I did when I was in my 30s and it's crazy when you trying to explain that to people they think oh no come on Ed is going to be crazy in the in the fitness industry such in the UK they think I'm crazy they think I'm nuts and I I because because I'm I'm going against everything that I preached I was a top coach coaching bodybuilders and I had my own and then all of a sudden I've gone back on my word and doing something completely different and I think a lot of people find it very difficult to to understand why Eddie Eddie's crazy EDD is crazy he a bit extreme but I'm extreme and there are so many people following me doing well I'm feeling amazing and everybody around me my family my daughter had digestive problems she's had all her life she she's not now she she thriving and she's a carnival she does complete she's actually a lot stricter than anyone I know because she has to be and she feels amazing you know she feels amazing all his skin is changed yeah well the thing is that you've always been extreme too I mean that's how you get that's how anything right so you you you know you worked out an elite level you push yourself to Elite level that's how you got to to the Olympia right and so then you're saying hey look I know how to get here follow my path and that's what people want you know they want they want someone show is yeah yeah yeah how to get how to get to where they got or how to get you know to to a similar place and so you know you're going to have that mindset where you're always looking for you know what what is what is the best thing to do is there something better can I do better can I do better I think when you close your mind to other ideas and you know because I'm open when I when I I the first time I saw a video and you were talking it's a very right cckl video and I thinking hang on this guy is talking sense I started doing a lot of research I got to find out more about him the more I read the more I saw the more I thought he's making so much sense and it's a conviction that you talking with a lot of conviction and I just saw you know a lot of people know they they backtrack because you're like what I always say is that Anthony just sticks to what he's saying because he believes it and you have to believe in what you're saying and it comes across and I like that yeah well thanks I mean I the thing is that you know this has come from many many years of of looking into this and thinking about it and my own personal experience and then applying it to my family and patients and and seeing it work you know I mean if you if you see something works I mean how do you how do you go away you have Theory and theoretically and on paper and you can look at historically okay well these people did this and they got those results and these studies show this and this biochemically it works like that like okay all this makes sense but what happens when I actually put it in place for myself and then my patients and he does exactly what you would predict and so how do you not do that and when you have when you have patients that have autoimmune diseases or have diabetes or have you know some sort of health issue um and you and you do this status quo and it gets you know the predictable results but then you this you just have this dietary intervention has massively improves their outcome it's a much better outcome how how do you not do that I mean I think that if you know that something can potentially help somebody and it's not going to hurt them right first two no harm there's it's non-toxic it's not going to harm them and you can just try it and see and just simple you're not you're not you're not asking them anybody to take supplements or anything they just food that's it just changing the way you look at food that's it you know one thing I want to ask you but I don't want to forget how do you deal with family because family you know when you got like I've got relatives who are you know doctor I've changed their diet they're feeling really good like in the um 70s 8s feeling really good doctor say no no no no you got to stop you put them back on starting inside eating low fat and they won't listen to me and you no doctor and I just it breaks my heart and I'm thinking and then I got to just keep my mouth shut so for now I find myself constantly just keeping my mouth shut because everybody around me thinks I'm extreme and I don't care about that but the ones that I care about and I see them suffering and know that they can make a little change how do you go about it how do you how do you convince your dad to change yeah it it it's difficult you know you can't push too hard obviously especially with family because they'll they'll just push back you know and always and um you know what I've just I've just tried to be an example and i' I've just always been interested in this and said hey wow look I found this study I found this thing I found this and I was getting really excited about that and I was talking to my parents about that and you know it was it was just that was just our culture growing up and at the at the dinner table we would just talk about interesting things that happened to us and things figured out and so I was in the in the in the grips of research I was you know just reading papers for eight 10 hours a day because I was just really interested in this okay what do we know what can we prove what does the evidence say and I just started digging into it and there's just an entire world of literature that they do not even introduce you to absolutely yeah yeah sad isn't it it's very sad and um you what we get pushed is is is phacos Centric you know teaching and so this whole world that that drugs never gonna make the the the um conversation so I was just really excited about that and I was getting really good results and I was feeling amazing and I was talking to them about all these things I was finding out and so that just interested my parents and and my dad in particular wanted to try and so he talked to my mom and said hey well why don't just try for 30 days and see what happens and my mom didn't really want to but she she she agreed to do it with him and they both had massive massive improvements my mom's uh type two diabetes stabilized immediately immediately yeah and her and she started coming off medications she was off most of her oral medications within a month in two months her hba1c dropped from uh 8.9 down to 6.1 and she this you know she was on she was insulin dependent at that point she was on 64 units of lantis and then she was down to the minimum of 14 now she's off so she I used to take Lanes by the way oh you used to oh yeah for body body listen I just take l i take Humalog yeah right this that was bodybuild I'll take about 40 to 50 I use a day so so so when I talk about I know this is crazy bodybuilding is crazy that's one of the reasons why you see a lot of bodybuilding that so nobody really wants to address it in the industry but I'm coming out I'm saying it because I know that my the ca of my you know pereral neuropathy I used get panic attacks I get all the sleep up here and it's all because of taking insul I took it for about 10 years 10 years about 40 to about five days a week I was taking 40 is that 30 to 50 years of insulin every day and I drink lots of carbs with multiex multiex can you believe it I was actually putting it in my drinks and drinking it straight after training crazy you know I get hypoglycemic attack almost on a daily basis but I I didn't realize that it was there anything wrong with it because I was building m i was big I was winning competitions and you don't question it but then even though I was had muscle everything else about me was going the South you know I was having problem with my prate I was having all these problem but nobody questions it because I was big nobody already is healthy I wasn't healthy at all so what I'm doing now is I'm trying to heal myself and I'm trying to share the knowledge and trying to learn as much from you know people like you as much as I can you know yeah well I mean it's it's so important to say that too because you know I mean there there are people trying to like normalize it as well you know I I've seen know people like staning like normalize steroids and he and me and he he got he and I got into it sort of in some um you know comments and things like that he was just coming aggressively at me and saying who was that Stan eering oh yeah I know I don't take them seriously not anymore there no point you see what the way I look at it is that I think when when you're bodybuilding when you especially bodybuilders we take steroids and the drugs compromise your your your thought process you don't realize it it's an Insidious process then you don't wake up one morning and become an you slowly it builds up slowly and the person I was about 10 years ago it's another person I am now I see things differently because when you stop taking the STS you think oh my God what was I thinking about why was I taking that much inent why why did I ignore these signs because you don't because you're big you only after one thing like an a sportsman you just Lally you're focused on just getting to Olympia stage you're not worried about all the other aspects of your life your family life I'm surprised my kids even talk to me you know that's good yeah yeah sorry gone I love what you're doing I love what you're doing I love the knowledge that you're spreading and I send a lot of my you know community members I'm like you know watch this we send them the videos watch especially when you talk about things like cholesterol because you explain things properly you know I'll just shout and swear I just shout and swear so I like if you want to understand it a bit better and if you want to take it further listen to this man because he he you know and kenberry is another one I I I listen to as well you know but I've I I I've got to say that since I went complete Carnival I feel the best I've ever felt like that I remember feeling and it's amazing he really is hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia Stockman steaks who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to Door something I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and 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why I felt unbelievable I was just like I'm not going to do that I stopped drinking during the season at the same time obviously had a effect but I I I put all of that into into that when I was playing in England I was still not drinking I was still training hard but I didn't feel as good anymore because I started to slip off of it without realizing it and then it wasn't until I'm in my late 30s that I come back to this and actually start realizing like wait hold on a second like this is actually biologically appropriate this is what we've been doing for millions of years and you know this is there's something to this I started looking into it and then I did it again it was like instantly bam I was 22 again feeling like a super here I'm like you know and so that's why I've been so passionate about it because I saw how good I felt for you know that five years that I accidentally been carnivore and then i' always been trying to get back to how I felt I felt like a you know like a heroin addict just trying to get back chasing the dragon trying to get back to their you know the original feeling that they got that got them hooked um I could never get back to that and then all of a sudden I'm 38 and I'm I'm fat and out of shape I wasn't like huge but I was you know it was fat for me and yeah yeah and you know out of shape anyway and um and uh and I and I didn't feel very good didn't have very good energy always had a a stomach ache I couldn't cross my arms like that you think it's noral you think it's normal don't you because that's become stasis that's it that's it and so you know then then all of a sudden in two weeks just all that's gone and I just felt amazing again I'm like okay what the hell is this I went back started playing rugby and felt amazing and then that's when I started say Okay I want to know as much as I can about this and that's why I started digging into it and so you took it years and years and years and it was like multiple years later it wasn't until I was 40 42 like that was it so it was another four years of researching learning treating patients with this seeing how other people act with it and having debates and discussions and and and arguments with people uh constantly you know when you get frustrated with their discussions and debates sometimes just like what you can especially when somebody's like close-minded they don't want to learn don't you struggle with I do it well it's it can be annoying I mean some of the things are and and especially like if um you know depending on how people act I mean some people are just they're not trying to learn they're not trying to have a discussion they're just trying to have a have an obnoxious childish fight those people or just or just try just rip their throat out early on you can't have an adult conversation with those people so don't even try that's true that's true but um you know the a lot a lot of it was very sincere you know people would just sincerely wait hold on a second but what about cholesterol what about fiber aren't you missing out on nutrients they're legitimate questions and you know and and there are legitimate answers to that and so you know event it's always the same questions though it's always the same concerns and the same you get very practiced at answering those things and so that that was it I had four years go to the toilet are you what's your do you go to the toilet regularly you know what's your cholesterol I mean do know I I you see the funny thing is when I was in um I think I was about 23 22 I be body desperately and then I was nursing as was a student nurs and I couldn't need on the W so my first me then we were doing a diet that was called the fat burns fat diet I wish I'd stuck with four meals today right so my first meal was eight scrambled eggs with cheese and then my second meal was 10 raw eggs I used whisk it and drink it so me two three and four were I was working and by at that time we didn't we couldn't we didn't have like shakers so I used have this food flask and I crack the eggs into it and hide them under my patient's bed so when I got on the w and I'm like Eddie Edward you got these patients and I've hide them my drinks under their beds and drink it the chicken and they egg egg raw eggs and one of the doctors in the W oh you know cholesterol must be through the roof and so I got scared I went to the doctor and um it turns out there was nothing wrong with my CH this was 19888 89 that far back but then I met the top bodybuilders that was training with the magazines who preaching six meals a day so we all went with it the guy who taught me that his name was um Johnny Fuller and he was one of the Olympians and that he told me that di he saw me on stage and said me you got good a good shap but your condition is not great you need to build more mass and he told me that diet and I veed away from it and it turns out that's what I'm doing now czy it so so Fuller told you about the the fat burs fat diet is just the eating yeah eating don't need any more than 4 me today four me that's a body four me today so this is like we talk about the late 80s early 90s four meals today so and I couldn't I mean I was a student so I I used to go to this five local and and there's older ladies us to flirt with them they get me like f of eggs for like one pound just in the farm shop take it with you so I had like lots of eggs my wife just crack them and put them in a flask take it to work and just knock it back that was it and I grew so much M I was 100% natural but then when the magazine started preaching about way protein and the higher bioavailability and just all sucked go sucked into that but then that works nobody questions it then you put the drugs in there you get big then you don't question it but it turns out I've gone full circle yeah yeah oh that's great to hear and um you that and you look back and the predatory marketing because they go into these magazines and get these news stories and you think they're legitimate you think they're like really just trying to help people look at this this is what we found out no they're selling you they're selling something yeah they're selling you w protein you know I hate W protein I swear to God you know I I hate you so much you know you know you hear me talking about it what are what your and we protein yeah I mean you don't need it I mean just eat me eat eggs you're gonna get plenty of protein and um you know and and the thing is too is that you know that the the idea that you can only absorb you know like you know 25 30 grams of yeah it's horseshit but it's also but but a lot of those things were done with with whey protein right so they gave whey protein and it just went through the system too quickly they couldn't absorb the Whey Protein very well and efficiently and so that when all protein said no no you just can't absorb protein like really because like you know gang is C in the Mongol hordes they'd eat like 10 pounds of meat every five days 25 grams of protein every five days probably not you know and um and so you know that's that's that's not in keeping with what we see in real life and in nature you know you have you know these feast and famine sort of periods especially as like hunter gatherers and things like that you have a lion that goes out maybe they eat once a week and so they have to get all their protein demands in that one y y and it works you know I eat two meals a day I get my protein in because I because I it's also the thing that you're eating a decent um protein you're eating um um food that's got a decent like B available protein like eggs red meat you know stuff like that rather than just you know drinking way protein yeah exactly yeah and there and there's nutrients that come with that that protein and meat as well like you you don't yes you need protein but you need everything else as well and you need fat I mean you know fat and dietary cholesterol have been found to be independent factors in in muscle growth and so it's not just protein you need everything together and and you get all that when you're when you're just eating meat you're just eating you know like 30 eggs a day you you'll get enough protein that's fine but um anony one thing I wanted to so um I've always had this idea for years and um whenever I I came I brought it out it was said no you're crazy so my belief is that anything that we have to cook as human beings we're not meant to eat that's what I've always believed so all these tubers and all these um you know yams we talking about you know rice I I I've always believed that we're not meant to e as human beings because until we discovered fire that's always been my belief but then i' I've gone along with it what do you think about that well so the thing is is that you know if you have to chemically alter through heat or um add chemicals or something like that to denature toxins to release you know make things more bioavailable um and and you know lower the toxic load and increase the bioavailability that's obviously not something we're biologically adapted to eat I agree we don't have the enzymes we don't have the biological processes to do that and they say well but we cook meat so you can't and this is this is something vegan say like oh but you can't eat raw meat like people eat raw meat all the time know I eat raw meat I get I get for it by eating yeah well literally every single culture has raw meat dishes I mean Sushi Sashimi right I mean there's like oh yeah try eating raw chicken they do there's raw chicken Sashimi right they just the outside so that the bacteria is on the outside and they cut that away and you eat that raw because there's nothing wrong with raw meat is if it's contaminated there's bacteria on the raw meat that's the problem but you know we actually can contend with that a lot too because we we come from a sort of a that background eating raw meat wild meat out in the wild and and so our pH is is is down with lions and vultures you know yeah and vultures yeah yeah I I I I heard you say that and that made perfect sense because you know if if you like I I've eaten some I eat raw meat a lot I mean sometimes I just pick it up and my meat's always blue I don't have it much at all because I like it yeah I I do too exactly you know as I've done this I get I basically eat it I I sear the outside and keep the inside bra you know it's still cold in the inside often so you and I prefer that that just tastes good to me and that's what raw meat tastes like you know and you have you like Ste Carpaccio you have um steak tartar yes I know you know and so yeah so you can you can absolutely eat meat raw and in fact a lot of people are saying you should eat meat raw you should only eat meat raw like I don't necessarily agree with that but you certainly can and you can do just fine as long as there aren't contaminants or parasites and things like that in it I think the way the way the food is processed now I think it may be it's best to um you know cook it out a little bit do new thing well and and the thing is too is that well look if you're if you're eating Wild game like if and um there's there's a higher chance that there there are parasites and I think that we've been cooking meat humans and our ancestors have been cooking meat yeah at least 1.6 million years from what what we we can tell and possibly longer and um and so I think that that probably gave a survival Advantage uh due to parasites you know you're going to K the parasites and you're not going to have much of a problem with parasites and some people say well you can't be a carnivore if you eat cooked meat it's like yeah meat for about 1.6 million years so that's okay but but chemically we can eat raw meat we can do that there's nothing there's nothing that we can't digest there whereas with with plants you know they have they havex nutrients they can have you know um non-bioavailable nutrients and so the active cooking can denature those toxins we can add um you we can ferment things we can add uh you know lie or Ash or clay or all these different sorts of things that we chemically change them through technology because we've learned how to do this that we can eat plants that we're not actually designed to but because just BEC You know the simple fact that we do need to do that just to make these these nutrients bioavailable means that we are not biologic to yeah we just figured out a way to do that through technology but that's that's a very different thing than being biologically adapted to do it I mean all I know is this all I know is that like I I we I I have a team and we go through my messages and there are thousands of them I put them on my story so many Eddie I listen to your advice and I feel amazing Eddie I've reversed my type two diabetes I'm I don't have I blood pressure more I've been of my medication I mean I've had somebody a lady in my community she's got Ms and um she could not move on M on Tuesday she was standing on one leg she look at me she's jumping and it's crazy she's got her mom onto it and it's all anecdotal I mean I don't care I mean I'm not I'm very I'm because I know it works when you look at when people like that send you messages it makes you keep going I just think you know what I'm not going to stop because I know that I'm helping people I feel amazing if I said I didn't feel amazing I'd be lying sometimes like I couldn't I didn't get much sleep last night but I'm still buzzing I don't feel even when I don't sleep I don't like I don't get I don't get tired and I don't understand why I don't get tired I'm like constantly um on on on um hyper it's crazy well it is and and I think I mean that's the the major driver for me like I mean I've just seen too many people helped in in too many ways to stop doing you know people say like it's like oh really like what you're doing please keep doing it like I don't think it's an option to stop because I I I don't know if I could really um you know you know be kind to myself if I just said yeah I just want some time for me now it helps here yeah it helps too many people and like you're saying like and M you know we're putting together um a case series with people with Ms specifically who have completely reversed it with a cornivore diet you could yep y yeah and so you know we have I mean we we could literally do this with 50 people but we we're just going to keep it to about a dozen just for brevity sake because you keep breing this stuff people like okay I'm done with this you know so you have a tight number but you know these people some of these people were crippled like actually CPP old the bedbound couldn't move and had massive lesions all throughout their brain and their spine all of a sudden yeah you know primary progressive MS where there there's horrific Damage Done to their central nervous system and now they're playing semi professional volleyball at 50 and all it's amazing it really is yeah yeah and so yeah well was just going to say that that that some of these people even within 6 eight months they're looking at 40% 50% reduction in their Legions for some of them and and one one person who's been doing this a lot longer is for like you know five six years he's almost 100% reduction um uh you know regression of his lesions he had a 5 cimer lesion on his brain stem on presentation now it's one8 of an inch it just looks like a bit of scar tissue and so I know it's nuts isn't it never happened that's never been shown in the literature ever that's that's a conival that's full conival somebody see following a full Carnival diet yeah like like meat meat meat like meat and salt you talk about the carnival or like Lion diet or Carnival diet yeah I I think that the lion Diet Works the best I think with Community I think that that this actually addresses the underlying root cause I have I have a sort of a unique theory of autoimmunity um that you know is definitely not you know mainstream but you know I took Immunology I took postgraduate Immunology when I was in undergrad before medical school and and and we we learned right away your body cannot attack itself when your immune cells are being matured in your thymus they're tested against every single antigen that's what we told we told body's immun attacking itself that's it but you know but your immune cells are tested against every single molecule that your body can possibly make and if it reacts even weakly to any of them they're killed so it is not possible to have any of your immune cells ever react and so they say well it's molecular mimicry and they they make an antibody towards this thing and it can crossreact with this other no because if they were capable of making an antibody that could crossreact they could make an antibody that just attacked and reacted to your own body in the first place and it cannot so in my Immunology book I actually actually still have it I went back and looked at it and and it has says okay well something has to be going wrong with that maturation process right obvious because it's it's not able to do it otherwise we don't know what we don't know what the hell's going on so there's that that disconnect there so there's no actual hard evidence that that's what's happening well we have these antibodies and they're going towards these receptors but are they because you look at something like um like an infection you have an abscess you know if your if your if your body was treating your your thyroid as an abscess you know how does that work does it does it sort of like start to make an attack and then sort of go away for a while later come back again I mean you'd be dead if your body just let up took the weekend off on an infection you just bit widespread you septic and die and so when your body's dealing with something it feels that it's an infection it just goes full qut press until that either it or you are dead it has to right and so that's not behaving in as an infection we're just we' just assumed that but also you look at something like celiac disease Celiac is is called an autoimmune condition but it's called gluten mediated autoimmune disease right so if you don't have gluten you don't have the autoimmune disease so that's what my daughter had they said my daughter if SEL it's all good now well that's the thing so so what happens you you eat gluten gluten is a lectin which is a plant toxin which can bind damage to your you know your body so it sticks to your inyes your intestinal cells damages them and what does your body do your body say hey we're being attacked let's go get them so you make antibodies attack that but that gluten is stuck to your intestinal cells and so your intestinal cells get hit in the crossfire it's you know it's it's collateral damage it's like civilian casualties during war and um you know you Napal a force in Vietnam like there's probably going to be some people in there you know and that's so that's that's what's happening and um and so but when you remove the gluten the problem goes away and within four to six weeks the the intestinal lining is completely healed even though the antibodies stay elevated for over three years right yes your antibodies there they're very elevated they're not attacking your body so that's not an autoimmune disease because those antibodies are not attacking your body and that's what I think is going on with all these other autoimmune dis you get these lectins you get these toxins you get this glyphosate you get these industrial you know chemicals through leaky gut from whatever and those are just going around attacking your body and your body's attacking those things that's what I think is going on and that fits the picture much better as well because when you remove these things you remove you know plants and lectins and toxins and glyphosate which is on the plants the problem goes away even though the antibodies stay elevated but eventually those antibodies slowly come down as you would expect and um but the damage stops before that people with crohn's disease they often meet with symptomatic resolution within a month or so and Ms you their their symptoms start to calm down so a lot more slow growing nerves and things like that but given the right set of circumstances the right amount of B12 and vitamin D and DHA and all these that it can heal and those lesions start to come down and regress and that's not something that's ever been shown in the literature to be able to happen and so that's what I think is happening I think it's actually hitting the underlying root cause which is PL toxins or environmental toxins and that's why a lion diet with just ruminant meat is better because the rumination ferments that stuff first and breaks it down and can and can apparently break down glyphosate as well which is strongly associated with autoimmunity but it can definitely get the lectins and so people eat just beef lamb and water they seem to do best onon and I think that's why so so so the other thing I would because I I I could sit here and listen to you all day my my team my team they think I'm crazy I think I'm I've got um Anthony chy whatever because because I I think because you explain things the way I understand you know a lot of people are trying to trying to you just you say anyway so one thing I always had I've always had this thing called oral allergy syndrome I had it for years okay so I couldn't eat I I cannot like I loved avocados but I couldn't eat them raw I had to cook them because every time I I got an itchy lips itchy mouth and sometimes I throw up sometimes i' get like literally I feel my my LIF like depending on in fact when I when I used to come to the states some like I used come there at least once or twice a month every time I ate fruit or vegetables in the states it actually was the worst it wasn't as bad year and then I went back to Ghana in 1999 and I had an avocado and there was nothing wrong with my lips I'm like I used to eat this avocado it's the same kind of trees when I was a child I was okay and I realized that it was something to do with a pesticide so from then from about about 1991 everything that I ate I had to cook every all my vegetables had to be cooked whereas if meat when I ate meat that wasn't um um overcooked what was was a bit raw I was fine so I knew that I had an allergy I was told it's called oral allergy syndrome and I just take all this antihistamine and all that nonsense but I realized that if I took the plants out of my diet I was fine so I took the plants out so what what is it what what what do you think causes this Oro allergy syndrome and why has it become a thing is it is it the pesticides the what is it because I didn't have the sorry what I'm trying to say it was not it's not what why didn't I have it when I had I had the plants back home in Ghana and why did it become a thing in the UK yeah so I I that's that's really interesting and and it makes sense to me I think I think a big part of it we have these agrochemical sort of things that we we put out there and they're toxic they're supposed to be toxic they're designed to kill in like what the hell is it doing to us you know I mean these things are designed to be toxic so of course they're going to be toxic what's interesting is is like the avocado because you you're eating the inside the avocado you're not sort of eating the outside but so there could be things um uh you know the pesticides s soaking in we shouldn't be as naive to think that it's only going to stay on the surface and then and that's the only yeah yeah definitely come in but the other interesting thing um that that um people aren't aware of is that fruit also have defense chemicals and toxins they say oh but the plant wants you to eat the fruit no it wants something to eat the fruit it doesn't necessarily want every single animal on Earth to eat yeah a lot of a lot of the fruits and berries actually coevolved with different animal specifically and they're toxic to anything else you know like a Cleary Bird eats 150 different kinds of fruit and berries every single one of those will kill you and kill anything except the catary bird because those seeds only germinate inside the gut of a catary bird right so there are toxins um grapes and avocados will kill cats and dogs because they're toxic to cats and dogs so there are toxins in there um and the really interesting thing is is that obviously when the seed is not ready when it's not ripe it doesn't want anything eating that that's why it's rock hard it doesn't taste very good it wants to live yeah exactly so it wants to get that seed ripe and ready to go and then eaten and taken by something else so when it's unripe they are far more toxic like so um avocados in particular they they have oxalates and something that people this is a plant toxin the oxalate level has been measured to be four times higher when they're unripe right when was the last they tast so bitter as well don't they taste very bitter when then unripe yeah and then you have to let them ripen in the box and things like that when was the last time you saw a ripe avocado at the at the grocery store at a at a Tesco or something it's not gonna happen right they they pick so that they can last and they can they can transport them from you know from you know Ecuador or wherever and um and so that they last right and so they pick them all green they're hard as a rock and then you let them ripen in a box for two or three weeks but Studies have actually shown that that the toxins don't go away they don't go away just because they're ripened they go away because the plant then takes them out if if you have a picked fruit it's a closed system there's nowhere for that poison to go it doesn't just break down into B land you know there toxins are still in there and so um when you're in the west when you're in you know the US and elsewhere you're going to find that you have a a lot more pesticides now we have GMOs GMOs they people are trying people just make things up crazy that's crazy yeah yeah people make things up they because they want things to be true to defend their ideology so they say that no no actually we're yes they're toxins in plant first of all they denied their toxins in Plants previously now they're saying yes they're toxins in Plants but we're breeding them to be less and less toxic No in fact we're going the other way we're bringing more toxic because then you use less pesticides the more the less toxic they are mean they they can't defend themselves so now you have GMOs that are genetically altered to be resistant against pests what is that resistance mean that means they more toxic natural you use less pesticides so that means they're naturally making pesticides and so you have more of these GMOs in America and and those sorts of countries using more pesticides and they're all going to be picked green because you have to be shipping these all around the world you're not buying fresh and local and seasonally like you would in Ghana and that's a avocad a season I my sister now she's Carnival now she's lives in Ghana it's amazing you know what she's nearly 60 and she can skip she can Sprint now which couldn't do that before you know and she she's been on the Carnival diet for nearly two years and um she said to me in the Pastor said to her can they get some avocad talk they're not in season and they're not going to be in season until December and for about a few months then she can't get them anymore but unfortunately we just import everything from everywhere else we don't even know what kind of so they're grown in we don't know what conditions they they shipped over and we just eat them I don't understand yeah yeah and and they're all unrip they're all rock hard and uh and you know then Shi around so they're gonna they're going to be much worse off for you absolutely so I think that's that's that uh uh you know we definitely explain that you know I mean because it's it's it's something's going on right there's something different and those are two glaring ones but I like I said I took the plants out and I feel amazing every so often I make a dish just showing people this and that because my my community there are so many people who still doing their keto diet it works for them I mean they cook the vegetables it's okay but I I can't I've got to cook the out of vegetables to be able to eat it avocado I used to cook it heat up I had to to I had to cook it like I've been doing for years and then eventually I said hang on stop what's the point your body is telling you not to eat it so I took it out of my diet and I feel amazing you know so so I'm not I I um I'm not going to stop what I do and I'm going to like literally just keep on anybody who will listen just like you're doing but I use a different voice I'm I'm I'm you know I'm I'm swearing and I can I think I can relate more to the average person who thinks I'm crazy and eventually they finally entertaining and hang on why is he saying that slowly that's what happens eventually they sat up by thinking oh my God look at this old man screaming and you know swearing and stuff and eventually like okay what is he talking about then slowly that's we get that all the time now I got girls these girls answer my messages like Eddie I just thought you were crazy but then I tried it I feel amazing I've lost um you know 50 pounds kilos I've lost it I've done that I feel amazing got my parents and my families on it and it that makes me that's what GS me keeps me going not the money it's the it's the feedback I get from people hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is 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cya medicine you know you're just you're just staying safe and because it's it's people that that I you know just aren't really holding up their their oath as a as a as a doctor a clinician because you're there to supposed to do the right thing for your patient not the right thing for your yourself you know it might be that you you'd make more money doing something else or you'd have a less chance of getting from your peers or you know uh protect your own sort of practice by by just going with status quo but you have a duty to the patient and if you are doing something that you know is not the best thing for it's not best yeah why would you do it yeah if you really care about your patient and I I have have good to applaud you for coming out and St because you you know I know that you get a lot of you know a lot of other doctors say oh he's a quack and I'm like yeah know I like quacks I hear that all the time you qu you're listening to these quacks I'm like you friends with all these quack I get it all the time and I think well yeah because and I feel amazing I may be listening to them but look at you you're you're you're younger than me you're own um six different medications and you can't even walk up the stairs without killing over and you know I'm listening to let me listen to my quack because I feel good yeah maybe you should listen to a quack too he might help you out maybe yeah but that's why the word is now isn't it well but that's the thing you know if if if this works you know it doesn't matter what's in a book or in a in a in what ever what matters is work what works in the real world you can get a study that says anything that's not hard to do you just but what happens in the real world so you can get a study that says anything so you have you know 30 studies that say that I'm right 30 studies that say that I'm wrong but then what is what what yeah what if you have 500 studies that say I'm wrong but then you do it and it works yeah don't matter right so what matters is what you do with what what happens to you when you do it and so a study is just a guide It's just to give you some information to help guide your decision and then you have to make a decision and then you have to live with that that decision and so you know when I make this decision for myself and for my patient I'm I'm living with it and they're they're getting massive results I'm getting better results than any of my my colleagues unless except the ones that do this as well and and we talk about it's like we're seeing like you know heart failure patients you know improve their ejection fraction we're seeing autoimmunity go away we're seeing blood pressures come down diabetes just disappears and so you know if you if you just know that you see that and say hey look this is something that can help you but I'm not going to tell you I'm not all it's malpractice you're you're doing something wrong you're withholding something that you know will work better just to cover your I think that's that's you talk about CI that's what do it cover you the thing is I was um you know I I I don't want to say that my community in my community there so many people were saying to me Eddie this is so simple this is so simple you know I revers this I reverse that but we we we get messages a man who sent a message says Eddie I've just come from a coloro w in in London and the consultant who the you know the guy he says to all of us as soon after surgery to follow you because you own something they says all the doctors I no we got the message all the doctors there follow you and all them are on the Carnival D about eight doctors all them on the Carnival di that blew mind this then and he he he sent a message and I called him I had to chat with him he goes he said he just told us because but he can't say that mainstream he cannot bring that out and tell everyone about it because he'll get into trouble because the Playbook doesn't tell him to you know that's not what he's learned and it's a shame that the medical profession is of treat um um you know it's all um sort of medicine based and it's all about medication rather than if you go to the doctor doctor should ask you look what do you eat you know but they'll tell you don't eat red meat don't eat eggs but it's okay to eat the cereal so get up get up in the morning and put the a bowl of porridge and put Splender on it because it's not sugar even though it's 99% motto Dex you know stuff like that it's crazy and I think that's what I realized that you know our medical professionals are not really going to help us I was a nurse you know in the water I was a senior nurse I see the junior doctors coming and I'm like dude you don't know your ass from your elbow but you're you're prescribing this medication very it was very sad and um I I I I'm glad that I'm in a position in you're with the help of people like you listening to you and then helping people for real people feel better do you know what I mean well it it is it's amazing and and I think most people that get into medicine want that you know they they want to actually do good people I think that's why there's such a high burnout rate in the medical professions because we're not seeing people get better we're seeing people get worse and and we're doing everything we can and spending so much time frustrating isn't it yeah yeah and and you seeing people slowly get worse wow I'm not doing anything and then and then you know doctors start getting older and then they and they start getting the diseases that they're treating and they're like I know where this goes this doesn't work well it just it just gets it really uh really down you know disheartening you know they get really down and now people are finding this just these simple interventions it's actually helping people it's helping themselves I've seen so many doctors Revitalize their love of medicine because they're like actually works again like this is this is amazing and it's really good to see that that more doctors are saying like listen to Eddie because you know the don't eat meat nonsense that's how that started it was a guy named Dr pricin um who wrote wrote a book about this about you know the heart you know the heart heart disease diet and things like that and it was like yeah basically no he was sort of called like the father of the plant-based diet because you had to like boil a living hell out of really lean ground beef press it boil it again press it again all that sort of nonsense or there's like there just it's just cardboard at the end of that right kill everything in it yeah that's it yeah and so um and so you a lot of people just didn't need it but he also got rid of sugar and processed foods and all that sort of stuff so he made a really big hit um I think back in the 70s or so um but anyway in that era 70s 80s but you know my dad know I pricin was a household name in in my house like I knew who Dr pricin was since I was a kid and so that we had Cheerios and shredded wheat in the house like that was it there was like skim milk and um and you skim milk I know sugar water I call it yeah and so you know it was that was why though know well Dr pricin says blah blah blah blah blah and my dad said you he had a friend of his that had like a quadruple bypass surgery all his heart disease and his um cardiac you know cardi thoracic surgeon came in while he was um uh recovering and took doctor pran's book book and slapped it on his his little bedside table and said read it do it and just walked out right so that that that ground swell just people like yourself just making an impact saying observing something saying hey this works better you know that will that will change the status quo unfortunately you know for us pricin got it very wrong because he saying was PR prudent die it prudent is it what it call it prudent die no I remember that yeah I don't was that pricin I'm not sure but you know those sorts of things you know but they but they have they have someone who is an advocate of it and makes enough of a of a good enough case that you know maybe going away from you know the the sort of standard sort of diet you make enough of an improvement that people say okay well that that makes sense it did get rid of sugar did get rid of processed carbs and full Foods it was just don't eat fat and so we just ate very lean meat yeah I've been there yeah what's that sorry my wife was the same she just at she knew that she didn't want to eat carves all this Ultra process like she so no cereal but she ate mainly protein and lots of vegetables and no fat that's actually the leanest protein and then now she does the opposite she e like Carnival high fat but it's it's taken a long time to actually realize that because she was more on top of this than I was constantly researching and so her diet was constantly like high protein but vegetables the plate was just full of veget all of them raw all the time you know we we still tease her we get a you know a small amount of protein no fat everything was lean it had to be you know she blot out all the meat fat from the you know cut every bit of far off because that's what we thought was was We were supposed to do you know trying to tell people that it's actually the opposite it's hard but slowly it's working I think we right now we've got you know social media it's powerful and I think that's what it's working I think that with me I realized that we we I couldn't I mean you can't change what how the doctors think so it was about educating people from the Grassroots because if you feel good you're going to say hang on hang on my doctor says I should eat this but I'm eating this and I feel good so what am I going to change and that's why I think educating the the masses that's how I that's how I want to attack it you know and you know and I think that people you know want this this information I mean you know pricin was able to to change the game you know because was what he did at least improved upon yeah what else was going on and so you know people say okay well look we we we need something that works for people we need something that helps people because there there are a lot of people who actually do care about their fellow man there are a lot that don't know like in the process food companies the tobacco company oh they just want to make money don't they make money and I I truly think that it's evil because you know they they're doing things that they know har people and they're keeping people just so they can get more money harming people you know I mean these are drug cartels these are absolute criminals these are crimes against humanity and I think that they should be prosecuted criminally because they are knowingly harming people you I I agree I agree 100% with you but how do you go about that because the average person thinks we are extreme and we are come on you got to live a little I always say live a little what is he living you mean eating sugar I got to eat sugar and I got to eat um frappy food that I you know eat sweet that is got chemical that's not how I want to live no that's it yeah well I I I throw it right back at them why don't you live a little and actually you know get outside and do something instead of your main entertainment source of of pleasure is just eating junk food like your life sucks you g evaluate your life that's true you need to get a life you need to get outside and do something you know and meet some people and you know you know you know get outside and talk to the ladies like this is not you know a that's that's not entertainment food is not entertainment food is at nutrition and you know yes you can make it a a social experience by you know sharing your meals with people but like that should not be your the entirety of your social experience you know I so that I can have energy and then I go and do things I go out and I hike I you know I get out on the water you know I'm I'm doing things with people having social interactions I'm being physical and active I'm enjoying my life can you talk to lur for a minute for one second back in a second yeah yeah hey sorry we're in a very cold [Laughter] office he just had to quickly run to get something yeah that's good yeah yeah carry on yeah um what was I saying um I meaned Ed's he's getting so much um feedback on the community he's saying about someone with Ms he had somebody today that messaged saying that um somebody with arthritis as well was another one that we've had people that have had arthritis and changed their diet um so it's would you would you say keto could help cure that or do you think it has to be the lion diet for something like arthritis well I mean ketogenic diets have been shown to to make massive improvements in these sorts of things I mean first of all you're just cutting out you're already cutting out a lot of things that are that are negative for your health yeah into that that ketogenic State nutritional ketosis is is so beneficial physiology and biology your insulin's coming I mean I know the bodybuilders like you know back in the day they inject a bunch of insulin but my goodness does that do a number on your body because it doesn't just drive energy into cells it it um affects hundreds of different processes and mechanisms in your body and so you know when your insulin gets elevated and because you're driving you want for the you know carbs and protein everything like that to shove into your cells it's also now massively elevated for all of these other sorts of things and it's way out of balance and it causes a lot of um destruction and metabolic distress um carbohydrates themselves be very pro-inflammatory just burning carbs in your mitochondria is very oxidative sends off free radicals and damage um so it's pro-inflammatory um you know where you getting the carbs from you're typically getting a lot of them from grains grains are seed seed is a plant's baby so there a lot of these pro-inflammatory factors in there and then just higher ketones ketones directly suppress inflammation and so something called the nlrp3 inflammosome so inflammation actually comes down and yeah you can actually feel a lot better it's not going to regrow your cartilage that we know of but it can definitely lower the inflammation so that feel as much pain you don't have that expression of pain and it can definitely slow down the onset or progression of arthritis as well because you know we found this is this goes back ties back into the side of thing all the advantages of of doing this as an athlete because you know what are we doing as our athletes our joints are are everything to us you we destroy our joints that's that it for our career and um and uh we're we're seeing like you know when we get elevated blood sugar levels they physically fuse to other molecules called glycation so you get these Advanced glycation end products glycation from the exactly so it it's just this sugar damage you're just sticking sugar damaging things and this is what kills diabetics is that glycation destroys the body destroys the organs and you you get your toes rotting and falling off get amputations your kidneys fail you go blind you get heart disease get Alzheimer that all comes from elevated blood sugar and the damage from elevated blood sugar and we see this in joints as well so you know they've have you know scoping out knees and scraping off all this fluffy you know nasty stuff out of out of degenerative knees and shoulders and degenerative disc in the spine they they're just full of these ages these Advanced glycation end products and so it's that that L you know that blood sugar going up that's actually damaging and destroying your joints and so you you don't want to get arthritis in the first place don't eat sugar and you know don't have any any direct injuries I mean I kick since I was you know a kid since I was like 14 and you're just doing knee strikes against things all the time no one told me the time for your knees and I and I sort of damage the cartilage under my kneecaps everything else is pristine and that that's um you know because I I have never really been a big Cary sort of person but you have a long a a longer shelf life as an athlete if you protect your joints yeah yeah yeah so you're talking about um sugar but I'm talking about carbohydrates in general as well because I think that sorry I think that a lot of people um I say to my mean community that all carbohydrates are glucose molecules yeah yeah yeah and I think it's important that they realize that so when when I know when you talk about carbohydrates somebody starts saying oh what about complex carbs what about simple carbs what about this what about poly saites and the DI Sac just stop just they're all carbohydrates and I think we don't understand I wasn't eating sugar but I was eating lots of porridge I was eating lots of um you know um bread sometimes when I was in rice lots of rice and my joints were crazy I can run I could not even walk the S properly now I'm doing um leg qu quad movements that I couldn't do before about 5 years ago and it's amazing and I'm in my 60s and I can do them I couldn't do them when I was in my 50s and it's crazy and you said to them it's to do with um you know um you know what you're eating it's to do with you know inflammation and nobody wants to hear it you know yeah yeah well I mean yeah so that's the thing these things cause inflamation they cause damage in the bodybuilding industry I'm trying to say in the bodybuilding the bodybuilders because they all of them walk around wrist have wrist RS knee RS wrist wrist RS elbow support and knee RS to train yeah and even though I was big I was struggling yeah you look at like Ronnie Coleman he's been you know really struggling he's had a lot of surgeries and things like that and had had a lot of joint issues you know and that um that that unfortunately is sort of the the you know the battle scares of you know of this profession but yeah you're right you know all all carbohydrates they're are sugars you look at you take organic chemistry you know carbohydrates are sugars that that's actually they are the synonymous right yeah so and they'll all break down it doesn't matter if a complex disaccharide polysaccharide I know I know all comes down to you know the the base sugars you know the individual monosaccharides and so and then and eventually they they will turn into glucose as well and they'll elevate your your blood sugar so you raise your blood sugar has a lower glycemic index mean it doesn't shoot it up as quickly but that's because it's converted into glucose in your liver it's converted glucose and fat actually and that's how you get you can get fatty liver because you get a fatty droplet when you convert fructose because fructose is actually super gly that it's really really I know no one wants to hear that though no flu it's also sugar yeah oh yeah it's it's probably one of the worst ones as well and your body really tries hard to keep this stuff out of your system and it sort it converts it but it eventually does turn into glucose but it it does it has a higher glycation effect than gluc much higher four or five times higher and um and diab itics seem to actually convert up to 30% of their blood sugar glucose into FR right so can have a lot of damage on their body and their liver whenever I post something about fruit every so often I do it just to annoy people just look at it it's so much hate that comes up and I think I find it funny you know because I I I know for a fact that there's a one of my daughter's friends used to eat she she's um she's Muslim never drunk any alcohol in her life but she had fatty liver disease and why didn't find out that she's getting up in the morning and having a smooth fruit smoothie with like six pieces of fruit I'm like where in the world would you get six pieces when did you eat the bloody banana eat the apple whatever but six pieces of fruit and then she had fatty liver disease then we change her diet and then she she um she reversed the fatty liver disease and said we don't eat fruit anymore oh yeah about that fruit supposed to good for you no it's not fruit supposed to be seasonal you're importing it from everywhere else you're eating like eight different types of food every single day oh because I love food I'm like okay you keep your fatty liver disease and eat your food or um get rid of it and so now she stop eating fruit so it feels amazing you know yeah yeah well that's the thing you know I mean how how do we how do we make manufacture fatty liver disease in geese to make th gr which literally means fatty liver right do we give them a bunch of meat and alcohol no you you give them grains you force speed grains and that gives them F liver and um people don't realize that they think oh if you eat fat you're going to get fatty liver fat is the one macronutrient that does not go through the liver to be digested it goes directly into lymphatics into your C into your systemic circulation is the only thing that doesn't affect your liver it says oh it's just too hard on your liver all that fat wrong I know I know the only thing that doesn't doesn't uh damage your liver it's the carbohydrates that go in there's the sugar that goes in the fructose is metabolized in the same way as alcohol that's been shown by the biochemistry Department UC San Francisco and published in 2009 and uh Professor Robert lustig has has written multiple books about I've heard his he he I I listened to him for for months I remember that I went the RAB RAB tour that's it yeah yeah so you know so he's great so he's published dozens of peer- reviewed articles on you know all the biochemistry is out it's all published and um and it brose gets broken down to the same Pathways as alcohol ethanol Al yeah I mentioned it I mentioned I mentioned it recently I got got so much I mean I got so much back I love you know I love the as when you get to your 60s I've been around too long I don't really a what anybody thinks I believe that what I'm doing I'm doing the right thing I believe I'm doing the right thing I believe I learned something that I want to share with the world and I think that and I think what give me the courage to keep going is when I realize that God I'm not the only one you know when when I I I saw your your cont and you talking about um vegetables I'm like amazing this guy is like saying what I've been saying to everybody for a long time I was a bodybuilding coach people come to me like give them what they're supposed to read what about V don't worry about it like what all them they been for years don't worry about remember don't worry about it what you mean what about vegetables so if you want to have it but it's not important we want the cars you want protein and everybody was surprised now it's become it's it turns out I was right I don't really care I think I I think that I had more problems with fruit than anything else I E fruit and I get bloated and I think maybe I'm just full and you get used to that feeling now I don't remember that having that bloated feeling again it's all gone now because when I eat meat I eat eggs people say oh you f m f a lot actually don't F much at all it's the opposite yeah well like we uh we blame protein for all those like bodybuilding farts and things like yeah the bloody sucrose in there and sucr sorry sucralose that was it the the artificial sweet oh my God those are terrible so I I um going back to Ronnie colan and he I remember seeing him on an interview saying that he never ate vegetables he hated vegetables he thought they were disgusting like wait what really you never eat vegetabl absolutely not so we never bothered with it we never bothered with it no but I I got a pre-workout drink um it was and it was Ronnie Coleman Brown that was the one that was available how long ago was that it was back in 2012 2013 was when I was like at my last year or two in medical school so yeah so 2012 and um and uh and so I had this stuff as a pre-workout and um and you know and it you know was fine but the it actually gave me the most insane like bloating in gas I've ever imaged it was like it was the the artificial sweeteners in there just re Havoc oh my God I had to stop taking it because it was just like it was like you you kill people like it was just like dangerous to be this is so bad it's a protein bar when I when I like I own the gym now I stop selling all supplements and it's and it's unheard of I mean it's unheard of because it's taking a long time managers come on we go to make money I'm like well I I don't I can't sell something that I don't believe in I've never believed in it I mean back in the day when I was doing really well as a body in the UK oh you got to start your own supplement company I don't I don't believe why should I I mean it's about making money put my name on it but then I didn't want to do it a protein bar was like um pre-workout to to you to me your pre-workout if I eat a protein by my belly would just come out here like this I've got no idea what's in it's the worst thing for me to eat you know and in the past when I was really hungry I got to get something between I to I have a protein back and really you go watch timey get blo and start farting and then before you go you get home and I felt ill it's like that's why I never touched them I just thought they were disgusting what's in them to cause that it's artificial sweeteners it's the the AL so like sucrose Xylitol those sorts of things th those are absolutely horrendous and so you know they'll go in to get into your your your microbiome and your gut starts eating us it starts making this horrendous gas and um and it's got to come out it's not from the protein you you digest and absorb that protein you know especially when you're eating meat I mean you know you you know yourself you you you're going to the you're defecating much less often when you're just true absorbing 98% of this stuff so it doesn't need to come out it doesn't even get to your call on to get get worked on by the bacteria in the first place so it's um yeah it's it's the the sugar alcohols they are the really the worst for that they they really mess up your gut Anthony I can sit you and talk to you all day but we have to um gra yeah we have to wrap it up um and hopefully we can get a chance to do this again because I you know I like learning from you and I think that I want the world to hear about you I want my my followers to learn to to hear what you got to say that's why I I want to do this again if that's okay with you anytime man it's it's always a pleasure so so we get little we I get little Clips like this and I post them on in a collab with you on on Instagram because I've got more Following over there thank you very much honestly thank you I know it's early in the morning so thank you for getting up early to to talk to me thank you I appreciate thank you man thankks for taking the time out it's always good to see all the best take care bye bye sir hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast and if you're on YouTube then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I have a new video out which should be every week if not more and if you could share this with your friends that would help me get the word out and let me know that you like what I'm doing thanks again guys