Early Childhood Development and Nutrition, with Dr Anthony Chaffee, MD

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dr anthony chaffee dr chafee is a surgeon   nutritional researcher and former pro-rugby 
player he's been strict carnivore for three years   and an on and off carnival for more than 20. dr 
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baby formula is not breast milk like it is just   absolutely nice even though it's even though it's 
been made for babies it has nothing to do with   with breast milk yeah and the thing is too is 
that you know you get these [ __ ] that say oh   this is perfectly formulated for your baby nothing 
could be better it was like that's a sales pitch   you know i think you'd be better yeah well you but 
that that's the really [ __ ] up thing is that you   know nestle they um my my parents have been just 
refusing to buy any nestle products since the 70s   because they they did this whole campaign through 
africa and you know indian [ __ ] like that saying   oh you have our this formula fed oh it's the 
best thing you can possibly get it's you know   so it's the best thing you can do for your baby 
so if you give a [ __ ] about your baby you'll   buy this [ __ ] well they're [ __ ] poor man and 
so they couldn't really afford this [ __ ] and so   they're they're already broke they're getting 
themselves more broke by doing this and then   so that's [ __ ] what's more [ __ ] is that 
because they couldn't afford it but that's the   best thing for their baby they were just watering 
it down too much they're mixing up because there's   a powder and then and they'd water it down so the 
baby's basically getting nothing just gave us the   kids died there's a lot of kids that starved 
to death because of this campaign and by that   time the mom's breasts breast milk had dried up so 
they were [ __ ] i don't even know how many [ __ ]   babies died probably millions i don't i don't 
know exactly but it was really [ __ ] up yeah   and so yeah so now that was nestle saying oh 
you have to do this whatever it's just like   [ __ ] off and i want to kick off by talking 
about these kids that dr chaffey showed me   which are full carnivore and from the 
photos they've got massive craniums and   from what you told me they seem to be 
developing faster than your average kid   yeah absolutely yeah so you know normally we look 
at uh kids and they have a range of development   their milestones usually between this month and 
that month and that that's what's typically so   you can check if your kid's on track exactly yeah 
but it's but it's a wide range right so generally   generally you have like several months it's 
normal between these sort of big big wide ranges   these these kids have have hit their milestones 
months earlier than like the earliest uh you   normally see and like say that their head's quite 
large um that's because the brains are larger   brains are developing we know from the fossil 
record that cavemen and people before the   agricultural revolution when they were just eating 
eating meat their skulls and their brains were at   least 11 percent larger than they are now for 
the average adult male right and they were also   a slightly different shape you know so they were 
developing in different ways so uh that you know   now we're seeing this with with uh you know people 
that are having kids you know having their whole   pregnancy as a carnivore and then breastfeeding 
as carnivore and then feeding their kids karma   they just develop very differently and you know so 
for instance i have a good friend of mine that i   was roommates in medical school with cool and she 
uh has has two kids now when i was first getting   into this sort of research i was you know posting 
a lot of things talking about uh all these sorts   of things and then posting the publishing 
the you know the posting the articles and   and and studies and so forth that was supporting 
you know what i discovered hey look at this   this is really interesting and she was 32 weeks 
pregnant with her first baby at that point and she   just said well look you know like he this is he's 
making a lot of sense um you know this studies   you know seem you know legit so you know 
i'll try it out 32 weeks up until that   point she had a pretty rough pregnancy she had 
hyperemesis meaning she was projectile vomiting   daily just all day every day for 32 weeks 
like that's just torture months on end   she stopped eating plants the day she stopped 
eating plants she just all vomiting stopped all   morning to stop all everything stopped 
and she just had a pretty just normal   nondescript pregnancy after that everything 
was fine baby's born baby's very healthy and   you know before that she was just eating 
a standard diet and at this point when she   when baby's born she's only eating meat and oats 
because her mom said you know you need you know   oats help bring in your milk so you should eat a 
lot of oats whatever else you do eat oats as well   and so she was doing that and great and she 
was doing very well baby's doing very well   and you know we were sort of talking obviously i 
didn't want to push anything on her and i didn't   want to want to you know say anything but i just 
you know just sort of pointing out that you look   you're doing better than 99.99 of people out 
there and you know it's certainly going to be   you know helping your daughter um but you know 
carbohydrates you know fundamentally derail your   biochemistry they put you into a different 
metabolic state so you can't mobilize your energy   properly also a grain is a seed and a seed 
is a plant's baby and all organisms protect   their babies more than anything and so the seeds 
nuts berries you know all these sorts of things   that's generally where you'll see the highest 
concentration of poisons you know that's why   they're cyanide and almonds and so forth and the 
peach pits they have a lot of cyanide one or two   of those can kill you um it takes about a pound 
to two pounds um you know like 400 800 grams of   almonds to sort of be a lethal dose 
but yeah and still it's still kill you   interesting because there's something inside 
the peach pit i don't know if you've ever   that's what it is it's called that's called it 
looks like an almond it does yeah it's called   it's called a bitter almond and they actually use 
this in baking i want to take a bath yeah yeah   that one or two of those will kill you yeah 
wow yeah and yeah exactly and so they uh   they're using baking they take this for for 
almonds flavoring seasoning things like that   for like a marzipan things like that that's why 
people most people most same people hate marzipan   aggressively bitter well yeah but you know just 
that taste you know um is that almond e taste is   cyanide yeah that's what cyanide tastes like and 
so yeah it's people just that's like oh well i'm   not fantastic yeah exactly and so you know she you 
know saying that you know the oats and things like   that you know these are seeds and grains and so 
forth and so this is actually where you find a   higher concentration of stuff you don't want and 
also you know the the you know carbohydrates and   so forth and you know i don't know because i i 
don't know if anyone's looked into this but i   would imagine that this could possibly go into the 
breast milk and get in into your kid's diet and   so he said look you know he's you know he's been 
right so far and like i trusted so we'll just just   give it a try so all she did at three months 
old kids three months old and perfectly well   very healthy baby um at three months old she just 
stopped eating oats that's the only difference she   was already eating meat she wasn't eating anything 
else she only stopped eating oats and the baby   just hurt development and growth just just hit 
new levels and so she just started growing uh   much faster started developing much more fat 
more quickly her head got much larger she was um   at three months old she was at 50th percentile for 
her circumference length and weight okay one month   later at four months old they checked her again 
she was 99th percentile for her head circumference   and length and then the weight stayed fairly 
stable you know she didn't she wasn't like   chubby or anything like that unbelievable and 
so just in that one month and she also started   trying to walk she started trying to pull herself 
up and walk four months old okay so far far far   ahead she didn't start walking but she started 
trying to do that uh so her head grew so quickly   that her pediatric nurse thought that she had 
hydrocephalus you know you know sort of water on   the brain so it's like it'll get like a blockage 
and yeah the ventricular system in your brain with   this cerebral spinal fluid that flows sort of in 
and around your your brain and your spine okay so   something's there might be wrong yeah it starts 
blowing up like a balloon yeah wow and so it   starts pressing on the brain starts crushing the 
brain but also because the the you know the bones   haven't sealed off yet they'll just start 
expanding as well so you get this globus   sort of appearance to the head and that's very 
dangerous i mean this this is a big deal these   kids can die they can cause severe uh retardation 
and developmental delays it's very very serious so she didn't have any of those symptoms 
she was actually doing very very well and so   my friend was like there's there's no way you 
know that you know she has any sort of problems um   you know but she had to go and get it checked out 
anyway well yeah and well they were going to go to   she went to a pediatric neurosurgeon you know to 
deal with this so she was just sort of sitting   there in his office and she was sitting on his 
leg and she was telling me she was just like you   know i shouldn't have to be here like my kid's 
fine yeah she shouldn't have necessarily no yeah   exactly she's doing great and so kazon comes in he 
sits there and he has his you know his desk there   with his picture of his you know his wife and his 
kids and his little dog and everything like that   so he sit down and start making introductions 
and kids probably i don't know four and a half   weeks or so four and a half months old at this 
time and she's sitting there on her lap and the   kid just points at the the picture on his desk 
and says dog like that four and a half months old   and the consultant just looks and goes she's 
perfect you don't need to be here you know   there's no way she has hydrocephalus if she's 
able to do that she can say like a real you know a   word yeah exactly yeah dog four and a half months 
yeah and so she's like she's perfect you know she   doesn't need to be here and you know and she just 
went on like this and so she's been developing   much more quickly i think she started walking 
about eight months old she's you know very   very smart child uh very athletic very you know 
intelligent and and is doing great fascinating she   my friend continued on being part of that kid 
has eaten nothing in it in her life except me   she didn't want anything else to get down three 
okay like that yeah three three and a half and   yeah about that and you know sometimes you know 
relative or something like that we'll try to go   here's a little cookie here's a little cake just 
look at him throw it away she doesn't want it   and and you know wouldn't be good for her 
anyway but she's doing great and she and   my friends never had a problem feeding her 
that kid just slapped and when she's cooking   me she's just slapping the table and getting all 
excited it's like an infinite people looking like   well that's she's getting really excited i 
recently had a customer dm me like a brand   new customer and she said uh my daughter ate one 
of your sausages and started slapping the table   yeah and she's just she's just in the table and 
like calling out and saying more than what yeah   yeah it was um it was someone just i remember 
seeing someone say though this is the first time   i've given my dog steak and there's like gave this 
thing dog this goes it's like mountainside's jaws   is like vibrating oh god please just oh god no 
more it was just like everything his body was like   this is what you were meant to eat this is this 
is life itself yeah and and you just get those   yeah yeah and and yeah so it's great um so 
my friend stayed full conor the whole time   she then got pregnant with her second child with a 
young boy um and she was horrible the entire time   and the they kept having to move up her expected 
due dates because the kid was developing so fast   he was actually developing faster as a 
fetus wasn't actually developing faster   per se it was developing normally yeah it's 
just that everyone else is actually lagging   exactly because they're doing things that 
aren't giving proper nutrition enough nutrition   and not and then putting in you know different 
things in their body that actually are going to   slow growth and development and so forth and 
so that's what we think is normal it's not   normal how these kids are developing is normal 
and this kid came out very healthy early you know   his due date was early because it was developing 
some striker it's ready and his head circumvents   the 105th percentile i didn't even know 
that was a thing it was just like 99th and   that's it you know now it's just like no it's 
literally off the charts it's so much further well this is this is 99 percentile meaning that 
your your hexagons is bigger than 99 right now   it means you're the 100 it's like no no it's even 
bigger than that yeah yeah it's a lot bigger than   that so you know that would then basically 
what it would do is that's the you know the   99th percentile and then whoever was in the 99th 
percentile four is now 96 or something like that   yeah way of doing that but uh yeah sort of just 
you know broke the curve you know and so you   know you know people you know people you're 
taking the test and they just you know they   blow the curve and just get this massive test 
and you know screws everyone else yeah that's   what these kids have done and and they've just 
been doing great and you know they're they're   this kid is growing so much quicker and he's 
just a tank and he's he's growing out you know   he's like three months old wearing you know like 
year old clothes and things like that and you know   um and so they just they're you know they're 
just developing so much better than you'd see   and unfortunately you see you know the opposite 
and people that don't do that totally i mean   i'm i'm not a parent so i can't i can't quite 
understand sort of a parent's psychology but i   i just imagine that okay so everybody every parent 
probably wants their kid instinctively to do sort   of better than the average or just as well as 
they can just the best that they can exactly   but if there's the motivator of hey morning 
sickness goes you can produce enough the right   amount of breast milk yeah and your kids going to 
be happier and kind of not cracking the shits and   crying all the time and actually be sustained i 
mean even from like a selfish perspective as a   parent it's like hey this is an easier path well 
it is i i well yeah i mean i guess it is you know   who considers what easy i mean some people don't 
really consider you know eliminating out you know   all sorts of plant foods easy i do i don't think 
that's a problem at all i feel the same it's like   you know it's a change that's it's going to make 
you healthier and your baby and all those extra   things that could cause complications in your life 
it's more about getting to the source i suppose   yeah and just getting on the first principles this 
is this is the best nutrition for these kids but   the thing is too is you know a lot of people are 
saying it's not a lot of people saying you know   you're going to hurt yourself you're going 
to hurt your kids you know you're going to   give them heart disease as an infant if you give 
them anything with saturated fats it's like okay   even if that were true it'd be worth it 
because their brain won't develop otherwise   without saturated fat yeah exactly and dha and so 
forth you know did you think that's your brain is   made at 70 lipids fats okay 20 of those fats are 
dha those don't exist in plants we don't make them   not well anyway you have to get them from the 
sources why they call you know fish uh brain   food right because they had a lot of dha and the 
reason that that was called brain food as opposed   to steak which also has a lot of dha is because 
fish had unsaturated fats and obviously only the   unsaturated fats or the good fats and so that's 
why they said eat fish you know because that's   brain food and that's and that's a safe fat that's 
a good fat and we can maintain this idea that   we've spread about saturated fat yeah so we'll say 
just stick to fish yeah exactly which is uh wrong