Dr. Anthony Chaffee interviews a longtime carnivore practitioner who shares his transformative 6-year journey eating only meat and drinking water. The guest describes experiencing effortless daily happiness, dramatically improved sleep quality, and complete resolution of his wife's osteoarthritis within 30 days of starting carnivore. He emphasizes how grounding (direct skin contact with earth) for 30 minutes daily significantly reduces inflammation and improves sleep.
The discussion addresses recent criticisms claiming long-term carnivore eating causes hormonal dysfunction and low testosterone. Both speakers refute these claims through personal experience and historical evidence, pointing to thriving populations like the Inuit who consumed no plants, honey, or fruit. The guest, who coaches others through Rivero Health, explains how sugar remains inflammatory regardless of source and shares his philosophy that personal anecdotal experience trumps conflicting studies when it comes to individual health decisions.
Key Takeaways
Practice grounding by walking barefoot on grass or sitting with feet in dirt for 30 minutes daily to naturally reduce inflammation and improve sleep quality
Osteoarthritis symptoms can completely resolve within 30 days of adopting a strict carnivore diet, as demonstrated by the guest's wife's experience with shoulder and hand joint pain
Long-term carnivore practitioners (6+ years) do not experience the claimed hormonal dysfunction or low testosterone issues, contrary to recent criticism from some health influencers
Sugar and honey remain inflammatory to the brain regardless of source or timing, making them particularly problematic for individuals with mental health sensitivities
Mental Health Transformation and Daily Happiness on Carnivore Diet
Osteoarthritis Relief and Marriage Benefits from Carnivore Lifestyle
Sugar and Honey Dangers - Why Carbohydrates Cause Inflammation
Long-term Carnivore Safety and Hormonal Health Myths Debunked
Medical Establishment Failures and Hospital Nutrition Problems
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[Music] Every day is better than the day before. And I can't explain that in any It's something that has to be experienced. I It's something I can't put words to in a way that does it justice. And I I I experience every day what I call effortless daily happiness. Every day I wake up in a fabulous mood. I'm excited about what the day holds for me. I know I'm going to get to play my guitar for five or six hours. I know I'm going to get to take a walk in the Florida sunshine and and suck in I'm now a sunshine junkie. I I can't get enough of it. >> Yeah. >> Uh because I feel so good while I'm in the sun. Um I've learned about grounding through this way of eating. And then that's another thing that I want people to know about. It's a natural, inexpensive way to reduce inflammation. Go take a walk in the grass or sit in a chair with your feet in the dirt for 30 minutes every day and you're done. >> And inflammation will come down. I'm sleeping so much better since I started doing that. >> I go to bed at night and I wake up in the same position in the morning I laid down in where I used to wrestle all night. I could get wrapped up in the bottom sheet. Drove my wife nuts. Speaking of my wife, if there was ever somebody who's earned her place in heaven, it's her because she had to put up with me when I was very hard to live with. And I'm always grateful. And I always mention that because I even told Dr. Peterson that. I said, "She's earned her spot in heaven because she put up with me." He said, "Well, I can imagine." >> Um, it it's just transformed our lives. My wife uh is a month behind me in carnivore. I joke about she waited 30 days to see if it was going to kill me or not. >> Just sent you in first. >> Yeah. >> In the coal mine. >> Kind of like when kind of like when the male deer sends the the female across the road to see if she makes it. Um, and but she noticed the wrinkles in my face were starting to smooth out. And then suddenly I she wasn't the skinniest one in the house anymore. And she had osteoarthritis in both her shoulders and in both her hands. And in 30 days it was gone. >> Yeah. >> Just gone. And what it's done for us, our marriage, I mean, good grief. It's it's at times it's like we live in a in a fairy tale now. >> Yeah. >> Everything is so good. She's 63. I'm 61. >> When you only eat meat and drink water, you come into hormonal balance and all of your plumbing works as designed. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like we feel like we're 20 without the stupidity and ignorance of being 20. and our private life is just beyond words wonderful. >> Great. >> It's just I I haven't experienced a moment of downside living this way, Dr. Chaffy. Not one moment. >> Fantastic. So, you wouldn't you wouldn't be uh in that in that camp, that recent conversion that says that if you're carnivore for too long, you don't eat carbs or honey for too long, that you'll eventually get detrimental health reverberations and die. >> Yeah. Yeah,ism >> and low testosterone. >> I I I get so frustrated. I I I coach for Rivero Health, formerly Met RX. I I've been doing that and I facilitate two mental health meetings here every week. Um and I have had too many clients come to me saying, "But so and so said, honey, you know, what do you think about honey?" And this when do we get to eat honey? And I'm just like, oh, because people need to understand, you know, in my experience and as I understand things from getting to study from people like Georgia Eid and Amy Burgerer, yourself and others, Dr. Baker, uh, so many more. It's about inflammation in your brain and sugar is inflammatory. It's never not inflammatory. What What kind of game are you playing with yourself? People like me, if I if a spoonful of honey, I'd be in the psych ward before the sun went down. It's like rat poison to me. >> Yeah. >> I can't risk that. There's no taste, no texture, no social setting worth me risking my sanity for. >> Period. >> Why would you tell people? Well, I think I know why that person is saying these things because they have a sugar addiction and they like making money and they found out they can make more money and enjoy their sugar addiction by saying these things. Now, I could be wrong. I don't know that to a certainty, but that's my feeling. Eat meat, drink water, heal. And once you heal, yeah, you might be able to add things back. Excuse me. But if it was inflammatory yesterday, it's going to be inflammatory today. And you might be able to tolerate for a while, tolerate it for a while tomorrow, but eventually you're going to be right back where you just crawled out of. >> Yeah. And the thing is, too, is that, you know, the the argument is is that not not that you can have some sugar or or honey or fruit sometimes, but that you should and that you you can't possibly thrive or survive without it. that this is this is a detriment to your health and that you have to have, >> you know, certain amount of carbohydrates every single day. And so and you know, the best way of getting that is through honey or fruit somehow. Um, but you know, I mean, you're living proof. I'm living proof. Dr. Beggar's living proof. Certainly Charles Washington and Kelly Hogan who've been doing this stuff way longer than than any of us have. certainly certainly these other proponents of carnivore-ish way of eating, you know, they they haven't had these problems, you know, they simply haven't. And so when you when you look at that and you look at the huge abundance of populations uh both now and historically that don't eat any plants, don't eat any sugar, don't eat any honey, uh like the Messiah, but you know, more specifically like the Inuits, they don't have any honey to begin with. They don't have any fruit to begin with. And all our ancestors throughout the ice ages, you know, where was their honey and fruit? You know, they didn't have it. And so if if you couldn't survive, if if you couldn't, you know, thrive, you know, without and and your hormonal health would have been damaged, your testosterone would have been down, your thyroid would have been down. You don't survive on low thyroid generationally. You can't. It's not it's not possible. You know, your children will get creatism. even if you survive, your kids your kids will be severely damaged by this and they won't be able to procreate. So, yeah, I I don't know what's going on there, but I'm glad that uh you know, that that you're not uh dying of hormonal uh of hormonal damage. And, you know, and in your in your coaching experience, you know, have you you know, have you seen this? Have you seen people be long-term carnivore and then all of a sudden start getting hormonal issues and uh and damaging themselves? No, I haven't seen that out of anybody. I mean, I'm sure there's probably, you know, 1% or half of 1% of folks who try this way of eating and get so far along and then they discover some underlying thing. Uh, I mean, because anything's possible. >> And I I I've learned, you know, there are no total absolutes in any of this and it's always specific to the individual. So, it is possible. I just haven't seen it. I haven't heard about it. I've not, you know, run into anyone, you know, I was six years carnivore and then then my kidneys started to crap out. I haven't I, you know, >> I've had all the warnings. Oh, your kidneys kidneys are give out on you. That's going to be what takes you down, man. >> No. >> Yeah. And yet, >> here I am. >> Yeah. >> How do you That's the thing that always gets me. Whether it's it's plant-based people, the dieticians protecting the revenue stream, whoever, you can't destroy yourself while feeling this good. How do you make that work? >> Yeah, >> I feel amazing. I don't I don't supplement. I don't take anything. I got an L5 that's pushed out a little far. It's not quite bulging. It's just an annoyance once in a while. And every now and then, you know, I'm a musician. I I I carry a chunk of wood around my neck for four hours a night, having fun playing, but my lower back starts complaining after about the third hour. You know, I might have to take a motor once in a while, but that's it. >> Yeah. >> There's nothing diet related that is harming me at all. And my quality of life is insanely good. I mean, it's through the roof. >> Yeah. and and I'm harming myself. 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And so we say, you know, people just say, "Oh, well, yeah, you do that, but that that's your anecdotal uh you know, that's just an anecdotal reference." I I I don't really care, you know, like the only thing I'm honestly the only thing I'm worried about is my anecdotal experience. That's it. I really don't I don't really don't give a crap, you know, how many studies say what if I do that and that makes me feel like garbage and I do this and it makes me, you know, healthy and strong and and, you know, verile, that's what I'm going to do. Oh, but it's anecdotal. you better better look at that study. I'm like, get out. You know, like even, you know, even Einstein, you know, he said that, you know, everyone tries to just prove things, you know, and it's just like, oh, well, I have this proof. I have this proof. Look at this study and this proves this. And it's like, well, it doesn't prove a damn thing actually. And even Einstein when he would prove something mathematically and then go out into the real world and look at it anecdotally and see like, oh, does this work? No, it doesn't. Throw it out, you know. And because you know he was actually smart enough to realize like you know Richard Feman said one of his colleagues in the Manhattan project was it doesn't matter how brilliant your theory is and it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment it's wrong. And so they proved all sorts of nonsense and yet it's wrong. So you know um that's that's the only thing I worry about. And the fact of the matter is is that you know you're healthy, you're thriving, you're feeling better than you ever have. So, you know, who cares what they have to say really, you know, like they can they can, you know, poo poo your your anecdotal experience, but your anecdotal experience is your life. And so, I think that actually trumps uh whatever little, you know, nutritional epidemiology study that they put out there, >> you know. Um, that's one of the things I think with the dietitians. I think a lot of them I think some of them are simply just trying to justify, you know, wasting, you know, years of their life studying things that are just just wrong. And so they just they really don't want to have to admit that to themselves. And then, you know, they they just go, "No, no, no, but it has to be true." And they and they really pushed the line. Um, but, you know, I' I've had dietitians that I've, you know, debated with and gotten to the end of it. I was a friend of mine. She was actually finishing her PhD in in nutritional sciences and you know she's a PhD candidate and so she's been doing this for a very long time and she was a you know whole food vegan really pushed that angle for years and years and years. Eventually we just went point for point study for study and at at the end of it I finally sort of you know got through to her and she just sort of sat there in like stunned silence and went my entire education was a lie. I was like I know it was a lie. like you you've proven it's a lie. Like you know that this can't be true. This can't be what it is. Have you you you've proven it you know and and um you know you showed me the studies like I've seen them like this is it's wrong. It's just wrong. And like they they had a you know real real dilemma on their hands because they were about to go into you know practice as a as a hospital dietician and they're like I you know but you you as a dietitian you have to push what's in the textbook. and she's like, I know the textbook's wrong. Like, I I can't then say that it's right, you know, because this is this is going to hurt people. So, you know, she she had that, you know, uh introspection and um you know, I think when you it's scary though because when you come to that realization, you know, you really only have one honest choice, which is to just get out of the whole field and or at least, you know, try to try to revamp it and show people what what's going on like, you know, like like people are, you know, like there's, you know, nutrition with Judy, you know, she's she's a nutritionist and she absolutely, you know, is a proponent of carnivore diet, which which is great, but you know, it's going to be very difficult to get, you know, an industry job or job in a hospital as a nutritionist when you when you don't push what the hospital wants you to because they have they have nutritional guidelines. They have nutritional practices that are just horrendous. And like I've written letters to the hospital services. I mean, guess how many of those I've gotten returned? >> How many? You know, like I just no one's ever like I've had someone's like, "Oh, yes. Happily, you know, send this on and we'll get back to you." haven't heard a word from these people, you know, but you know, I I see all the time in the hospital, these people having, you know, trays put up in front of them that it's just it's just sugary carbs. Like that's it. And I was looking at that, I'm like like that they're feeding you what you know brought you in here in the first place. Pregnancy and child birth, that was a major major danger as well. And then, you know, poisonings, you know, you'd get you get, you know, bitten by something or you'd get you'd eat some some plant that would was harmful or get stuck by something that was poisonous and you're dealing with that. And now it's all chronic disease. And you know the history of humanity, we've not had these chronic diseases in the numbers that we have them