CIDP Recovery: How the Carnivore Diet Is Healing My Body

welcome to the plantree MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining me for another episode of the plant- freemd podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today very special guest Miss Renee sh who is going to be telling us her story Renee thank you so much for joining us thank you so much for having me I appreciate it you're very welcome so for people who haven't uh met you or come across you before can you tell us a bit about your story sure um first I like to just put it out there like I started with my depression back in the when I was a teenager I had my first suicidal attempt back in my teens and then again in my 20s and I've had anxiety and Su and depression for most my adult life but back in 2010 I was diagnosed with idiopathic gastro pesis I'm a nurse and my gastroenterologist thinks I probably was exposed to a virus at work that caused it so I dealt on and off with that I still sometimes deal with that but in 2019 um November 13th to be exact I got up in the morning and worked out and lifted weights and did everything normal went to work and when I came home I was unable to use my hands and became half paralyzed on the left side of my body severe weakness um the pain started and it took quite a few months for a diagnosis and when I finally got diagnosed I was diagnosed with chronic inflammatory demyelinating Pol neuropathy which is a gamber um variant and it causes the myON sheaths of the nures to be deyin um kind of like what Ms does in the brain but this was happening in my hands and my feet and arms and legs and unfortunately was diagnosed about the same time Co hit the United States so it was a really tough trying to figure out at at that point I was the director of patient care at our hospital I had to figure out do I treat my illness or do I do what I'm supposed to do and work at the hospital and I decided to try to figure out both so when I got diagnosed they did um a week of high do IVIG and um that treatment is about $100,000 a week J and yeah $10,000 a bottle and I had two bottles every day for five days wow um and by Wednesday of that first week I actually could walk unassisted again like without help so I mean it worked right it I could tell immediately that it was making me feel better um by this time I was on nor trip Cene and I was maxed out on Gaba pentan so that's 3600 milligram a day um and I did high high dose and then it lasted about a month and then I started to get worse again so um they wanted me to do another week and my the hospital was like absolutely not you can't take another week off of work um and I know but you know right at the beginning of everybody being scared to death of the pandemic so I ended up doing weekly for five weeks instead which is not normal but that was the Compromise that my neurologist and I could come up with so I went on and off IVIG for a couple of years and then halfway through one of my treatments I ended up with a severe headache and severe neck pain and ended up in the ER that night with um like a typical menitis um which is common side effect of IVIG um I went ahead they treated me with higho steroids and I got my next two ivigs he went ahead and finished the cycle and then said I failed treatment because I that once that happens the chances of it happening again are really high so then I went on monthly IVIG I quickly failed that at this point my pain is like a nine out of 10 24 hours a day I you know people think neuropathy is like just numbness and no big deal and it is so painful and I feel bad as a nurse having dismissed all my patients over the years with the neuropathy pain because you have no idea what it's like to live in chronic pain until you're in chronic pain so my neurologist put me on toxb which um is a monoclonal antibody designed to treat B cell lymphoma right goes in and kills all the B cells so no immune system at this point like every time I look at somebody I got sick and so I did ruab for the next two years um and I got in January of 24 so in let's go back in July of 23 I almost died of covid I got covid so bad I almost died and um it's just every time I get sick I get really sick it's not just like a little bit sick so um I January my son left for boot camp last January and we went to his graduation at the end of February in San Antonio and I came home with Co for I don't know like the fourth time since they started rabber the 5th and it you know most of it turns into pneumonia I'd had the flu earlier turn in pneumonia like it just it's awful and I was at the point in my disease where our youngest son was graduating high school in May and I told my husband I like I'm done like I can do do this anymore like I can't be in this pain nothing helps I was using you know smoking marijuana all the time hoping that that would take the pain away my drop I'm maxed out on nortryptiline maxed out on dolotin maxed out on gabapentin like there's nothing to do to control the pain anymore and um in late 23 early 24 I started having to use a cane which sits behind me to remind me um I had to start using a cane to walk because the um we weakness on my left side was so pronounced that I would stand up and just like fall over and I was having lots of Falls and being a nurse in a hospital it's very humbling to have to go to work using a cane like um so in February I decided to apply for medical retirement because I I just I haven't been able start an IV in five years I my fingers don't work well enough to even put an IV in and I applied for medical retirement and then in March while I was homesick with covid my husband was like please just watch carnivore videos you know he'd been begging me for a long time to like he already he was down rabbit holes all the time and I was like I had been telling him no and I was like fine I have nothing to do I'm sitting on the couch dying of Co watch car war videos and um the first video I watched with Carrie man doing an update like a 9mon update on how he was feeling and he was remark REM arable you've seen I mean you know you've talked to him you've seen his his results yeah that's great and then I came up with Michaela Peterson and then you and then um Dr Baker and then you know it just and and um Dr Barry and it just kept going and I text my husband like halfway through that day and he was like if you don't want to be a carnivore you better stop me now like I am already that this is the way to go and um so we did yeah March 20th we we did the let's eat all the food in our house before we go carnivore should know we should have just yeah we should just did it right away because I was already keto I had I had already gone keto to see if that would help and you know I think that there it was very dirty keto like I had no idea that there was a better way to do it than to buy all the processed crap food that keto's easy to go down the wrong way but at least I had already cut the carbs so I didn't have to go through the keto flu or anything when we first went carnivore so that was kind of my condensed I mean I it being sick having the gastroparesis and then getting a second autoimmune disease on top of that it was just like that kick you know how do you how do you deal with two different autoimmune diseases when you barely keep one under control yeah and then and then being such a serious one as well when it's it's know it's literally preventing you from doing your job from moving your body I mean people don't people don't understand how how serious that is until it affects them and and then they they really get it you know there's this saying that you know everyone has a million problems until they get a health issue and then they've got one problem and it's and they look at the rest of their life like none of those were problems this is a problem and it puts everything into perspective and when you you can't physically move your body properly when your body just won't do what you tell it to that's that's a big problem that that is um it's hard for people to understand until they've experienced it or seen it firsthand and worked with people or had family members who they've seen as strong and and viral you know powerful you know wonderful people and and now they're crippled and and debilitated and and you have to help them with every single step it's it's remarkable um how how much of an issue that is and well it's and it's I'm very sorry that that happened um but when you went carnivore what what were some of the changes I mean presumably you know tacitly we think okay we got a recovery but what what exactly did happen oh um I had committed to um just going on beef water salt because I figured if I was going to do it I'd get rid of everything everything and figure out what you know that was what I what we did so for the first 60 days I did just um beef water and salt and within two to three weeks the burning in my feet went away and the pain started to get more controlled um and I didn't even realize it I was laying in bed one night and I told my husband I was like oh my gosh my feet don't hurt like tears rolling down my face my feet don't hurt and you know night time is always the worst because that's when you actually stop and when you stop the pain is the worst because you actually pay attention to the pain and you kind of just put yourself in overdrive I'm going to just go through the get get through the day get through the day but when you lay down that's when you pay attention and at that point I remember very vividly I looked at him and I said well if I have to eat a riy every single day for the rest of my life to keep the pain away then I'm I'm there just I mean that was it the pain was all the the first thing I noticed was the pain and it didn't take very long for the depression to start to to get better I mean when I I tell people you know carnivore saved my life okay first off it saved my walking you know my neurologist told me that I would probably be in achair by the time I was 50 I'm only 47 so I I am like bound determined to not let that happen so um yeah I did this to save my walking but I had no idea that like this lifelong depression that i' had been dealing with with was going to go away carnivore saved my life I was at the point where I was ready to be done I I couldn't handle that pain anymore and then that I have OCD and anxiety and almost all those symptoms went away um I mean and then it's stupid things like I haven't had a zit since I went on Carnivore like you know my face was always breaking out and I have to say that back when I first got diagnosed with gastroparesis my gastroenterologist uh bless his heart um he called me to gave me the diagnosis over the phone we lived in Hawaii um when I when I got sick we I've been in Hawaii for the last 18 years I'm back in the mainland because my illness you know we were at the point where vxa map was Final was like it and I needed to have options for clinical trials so we had decided to move back to the mainland prior to going on Carnivore so in Hawaii uh my gastrologist was on another Island so he calls me to tell me what that I have gastro press and he says we don't know a whole l about idiopathic gastro prias there really aren't any books there's no guidance all I can tell you is try to eat white food because it's the easiest for you to digest it's the fastest to break down so ice cream and chips and I white bread and stay away from red meat stay away from vegetables you know all that stuff is so hard for the stomach to move through well vegetables certainly but yeah so that was the so that was what I was given and I was at that point I had been hospitalized and I had been taken out of work uh I was the nursing supervisor at the hospital work at at that point and my I like literally got off shift and went straight to a hospital room and my doctor was like you can't go back to work till you gain 15 pounds and it took me three months to gain 15 pounds that was three months of lots of potato chips go I know right thinking about it now it just makes you want like makes me want to puke but it it was what I was told to do and he was right there was one book written about gastroparesis on how to how to manage it as a patient and you know as a nurse I was able to get on the computer and I was able to do research and there still was nothing out there there was really no guidance so that started 10 years of going through every diet in the entire world that I could think of and find to figure out what made me feel the best and what I could deal with and when I was diagnosed with my auto with the second autoimmune disease in November of 2019 we actually were just coming off and vegan and we had been vegan for a year and when I say Vegan we were Whole Foods no fake stuff I mean like I was really serious about cooking and I didn't buy anything pre-made I made everything myself but it was all vegan and my poor husband has told me since the day we got together that he is a predator and his teeth are sharp and he has eyes in the front of his head and he does not eat vegetables for him yeah smart guy well he went vegan with me smart guy I mean the power power of love it is the power of love and What U my husband was very healthy when we got together his him his cholesterol was always better than mine and I was the lowfat I grew up my you know I was raised in the 80s where we didn't fat and we didn't eat animal products and my dad was you know we ate deer and Elk mostly because we didn't have a whole lot of money so we ate what my dad could get but for the most part we ate the American Standard diet but it was low fat and you know deer and Elk have no fat on it so I had no idea like eating fat was no it had been nowhere in my entire life and then my husband and I got together and he loved bacon and he loved all this fat he puts butter on everything and I was like you're going to die watch you heart attack and die and but his cholesterol was always better than mine always I mean his numbers were he was always looked healthier metabolically than I did so when we went on vegan he went up he got up to 212 pounds now he's 57 212 pounds type 2 diabetes on met foreman and depressed and can't get off the couch like he'll go to work he works in the o and um he would work his 8 hours and come home and sit on the couch and do absolutely nothing the rest of the day was I couldn't get him off the couch and granted I realized he was dealing with my illness too um but it wasn't until we started carnivore that we it took 5 years for him to start losing that weight and it wasn't until we got on Carnivore he is now 160 lbs and he is um off met foreman and his hemoglobin A1c is totally normal and I mean look at him and he's returning back to health but I almost killed him and my quest to find the right diet hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia Stockman Stakes who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to your door something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beef heart as well so use code chaffy today for free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com and I'll see you over there thanks guys yeah well yeah I mean it's it's you know it just shows you know the motivation I we're trying to to do what's right we're trying to do what's right for our body or right in general and uh we get fed this line that oh we're we're herbal vores and we need to be eating plants and they're so healthy and so wonderful and and you know people believe it and they're trying to find something that works because they're they're sick and they're desperate and they need help and so they get sucked into this and maybe they're eating a processed food diet and so maybe there's that honeymoon period where they do feel better at first and then things start catching up or maybe they don't even get that you know there's plenty of people that just get uh you know put on weight and get metabolically sick eating a clean Whole Food plant-based oh they didn't do it right they didn't eat the plant said I would who cares who cares what you do like it's um you know if um if there were if there were one way to do a vegan died it would it would be out there it's like no you have to eat it exactly this way and it's not people do follow those things they follow the nutritionists and the gurus and the doctors who say this is what you should eat and this is how you should eat it and you know they they don't get great results and and certainly not long term and um you know your husband having that result I mean that's certainly not the first time I've heard that the vast majority of people doing carnivore now that that follow me were plant-based at one point because they were on this journey of Health they were trying to find the right thing and when they you know when they discover vegan videos and say oh okay I'm going to go plant-based everyone says oh you go you're so good you know doing your own research and then it's just like okay well I did more research I found carnivore unsafe to do your own research you need to listen to experts well these no those experts don't count those are the wrong experts and um it's just it's just quite silly but it's the same it's the same mindset you're trying you're trying to get better and so they tried vegan they tried to get better it did not make them better maybe for a little bit but eventually they got a lot worse or maybe they got worse straight away there's a lot of people that spoken to they said I went plant-based for six months worst decision of my life it was terrible I had all these problems or maybe a year or something like that and then others maybe last longer and they're so convinced by the propaganda and and the people pushing this lifestyle that they just convince themselves actually they're super healthy and oh how bad would I be if I wasn't on this this is the only thing keeping me together and then eventually they realize like wow I've been I've been killing myself and they started eating meat again it's like just the light turns on in their brain and they're just they just feel amazing again so um but it's the right it's the right motivations you have the right motiv you're you're just trying to get better you're just trying to do just trying to be healthy and trying to to to live a healthy normal happy life and so you know of course you know try these different things and it makes perfect sense that you tried vegan because that's just been pumped out there for so long but you know the good news is is that when that didn't work you you kept looking and that's the important thing for people to do right when I got sick like I of I often wonder you know I just finished my functional medicine training and I yeah you know talk about when you have an autoimmune disease you really have to have the three things you it has genetically you have to have something in you right and then it has to be lifestyle or environment things and then it usually trigger and it really makes me wonder whether my trigger was the vegan diet um I mean how do I know that it wasn't that that and then it makes me wonder what I've ever gotten would my autoimmune disease have ever activated if I wasn't vegan I I can't you know it's what if could have should have can't live that way well yeah I mean yeah you're right I mean it is what it is you know it happens but there are a lot of people that suffer with autoimmunity and and leave a vegan diet because of their autoimmunity and and some people you know have autoimmunity you know eating whatever um and then go to like a clean you know Whole Food vegan approach and and seemingly get a bit better but most eventually get worse and um and you know I I I definitely think it's environmental I mean look at look at celiac disease it's it's considered an autoimmune disease that is gluten mediated what does that mean and they said well if you don't have gluten then you don't get this autoimmune attack on your body like okay well so the antibodies go away when the gluten goes away no no no they still stay elevated for three years after your last exposure to gluten but they're not attacking your body no okay so that's not an autoimmune disease right because those antibodies are not Auto antibodies and it's just just that your body is getting attacked by gluten gluten sticks to your cells and then your body does exactly what it's supposed to do it defends your your cells and so it attacks that gluten but it's stuck to your cells and so your cells get hit in the crossfire makes sense you stop eating gluten gluten stops attacking your body defense backs off right and um so that's not an autoimmune disease right and and and thankfully we've been able to see that what I want for people to do and I don't have a lab so I can't do it myself but maybe I can find somebody with a lab anybody with a lab let me know and um but you look and see if in these other autoimmune cases you know get tissue samples and see you know is is the antibody attacking the cell itself or is it attacking something stuck to one of the antigens on the cells and because that's what's happening in Celiac and I would bet you that's what's happening in all these other things because if your body is you know the when I was taking Immunology 20 years ago more than 20 years ago it um it was a postgraduate class right so this is not it's not like introductory to the immune system this is this is you know 500 level Immunology right and um it it was very clear the body can't attack itself under normal conditions your your cells are matured and your thymus and they're test against every single antigen that your body makes every single molecule that your body makes and if it reacts even weakly to them they're killed so your your body will not mature immune cells that have any capacity to interact even weakly with your body so the idea of molecular mimicry doesn't make sense because it's attacking this and it's similar enough to one of your antigens that it can attack that no it's not capable of making something that can attack your body and so it would make a different anti a different antibody towards that something that's the vegan argument is that you get leaky gut and even um um like I think it was Barnard who actually admitted on camera that like oh yeah if you get gut and then you get these proteins in there and like and you know gluten can cause that or whatever so he's admitting it's a plant toxin an eltin that's causing leaky gut but he's saying that then you know when you're eating animal proteins that those proteins are similar enough to our proteins that you get this reaction with them and then you get a cross reaction that's completely made up um but that cross reaction shouldn't be able to happen if your if your immune cells are are normal and if and if they're not normal if they're able they have the capacity to make an antibody that can attack a virus or something and then crossreact then it could make it in the first place it could just attack your body in the first place it does doesn't need molecular mimicry it would just start attacking your body that is not what we see and um and then if you if your thyroid or your intestines or your nervous system were being considered a bacterial Invader you know when was the last time you heard your body just like you know take the week off when fighting pneumonia you know like that's like this doesn't happen right you know you can't have these es and flows you can't have flares and remission of um of an infection when if you're actually fighting an actual infection because you''ll be dead you know as soon as your body stops attack you know fighting an infection you die and so if you were actually treating your nervous system as an infection it would just have a full court press and just ramp up the attack until it was obliterated because it has to because if that were a pathogen you'd be dead if it didn't and so again that doesn't make any sense so that's what I think is happening is you eat this stuff and it gets into your body through leaky gut these various El gluten is lectin there plenty of other lectin and you know they can go all over your body and they can attack your body letin are strongly associated with autoimmunity glyphosate is strongly associated with autoimmunity so you take these different toxins be they natural or or man-made and they're attacking your body and your body is attacking them that's what I think is happening and if we can show that in a lab saying oh actually there's this complex with this little thing sticking onto this you know um you know TSH receptor and antigen and then this antibod is attacking that and stimulating the TSH receptor and giving you Graves disease you know I think that would be very powerful but that is what it looks like in practice because when you stop eating those things and you stop eating plants entirely these problems go away even though the antib are still elevated the damage stops and starts to repair and eventually those antibodies start coming down and down and down then you eat the wrong thing boom they're back up and you have problems again you know so that's uh that makes a lot more sense to me and my um antibodies are zero now wow there you go yeah and I saw my neurologist uh end of December and had my repeat EMG done and this is a new neurologist because my neurologist I left in Hawaii my neurologist in Hawaii when I told them I was going to try the carnivore diet he told me that he couldn't get behind me that I was a nurse and I knew better and that wasn't a standard diet that wasn't a well balanced diet and I that he wasn't going to support it and I was like all right well don't support it you're not the one that is at home crying every night and barely making it through work and um I before I got sick I got up at 4 o'clock in the morning and lifted weights and then went to work and worked a 12- hour shift as a nursing supervisor and ran a hospital and I did that for over a decade and so this you you know this was a huge it changes everything about you and so my new neurologist here in Arizona uh when I met him the first thing he did was draw the antibodies and they came and when I met him it was in October so I've been carnivore since March and my antibodies were already not he couldn't find them um they weren't showing up and so then he started questioning whether I ever had it but I have I I sent him so I had Kaiser send him a medical record about that thick with everything that's always the way when you when you get like a good result they're like you never had it in the first place like well what about all this something else and then he begged me to schedule my rxaap because I was due and I in turn said not only do I not want Rim I'd like you to start reducing my Gaba pen and um by now I'm off everything but Gaba pen but I've been maxed out on Gaba penon for five years so I was like I want my Gaba Penton reduced and he was like well why would you want to do that and I said well because I'm feeling better and I you know my cane back there I haven't used it September I lost it actually for a couple of weeks and didn't even know where it went because I didn't need it anymore and so when he repeated the EMG in sber it was completely normal uh he did both the conduction and the needle you know making sure the nerves are working and the muscles were working and he did only the left side of my body because that's my weak side and everything was normal and so he says well I guess you're in remission and I don't know why and I was like well I do know why like I literally told you why I'm trying to tell you like I changed what I was eating and he you know he didn't look at me like I was insane but he didn't acknowledge that either now my primary care doctor who I actually drive an hour and a half to go see because he is a carnivore and he's uh so so he's not in a functional medicine practice but he's a carnivore and so I don't have to explain myself to him I don't have to explain my labs to him and you know and he is absolutely wonderful he doesn't look at me he knows exactly why in fact he um interviewed me for his Rumble Channel he was like I know why you're better and I want people to know why you're better but it's funny how other people just don't they won't acknowledge that this was something that I did this had nothing to do with the Medical Treatments I was getting it had nothing to do with the meds so he started weaning me off of the Gaba pen and I'm happy to say that I'm down to one dose a day of 12200 so I'm I've cut it by 2/3 and that's I still have I mean you know it's a long process 3600 milligrams is going to take a long time for five years so I'm almost off all meds I lifting weights again I'm trying to walk an hour a day which I mean I could barely walk when I start a carnivore with my cane and now I'm walking I'm trying to get an hour a day of walking in I mean I never thought that I would um I would get here I was in a meeting last night with healing humanity and the question was what was your why when you started and has your why changed and mine is crazy easy my why was I wanted to walk but the really fun thing is that my why is no longer about getting healthy my why is now about how healthy can I get like how what can I what can I return to can I return to being a weightlifter again I never thought that I'd be able to a pound a weight in my hand ever again at some point in my illness and I mean that's amazing and everybody that's why I want I tell my story I want everybody to know that you know this is an awful autoimmune disease and I'm coming out of it and in remission for some unknown reason yeah just idopathic remission we have no idea why could it be the car we have no idea why yeah right I had yeah oh sorry you were saying no go ahead I was saying that I I have a patient who put her Ms into remission um by doing you know strict red meat and water diet only and not only what did her symptoms go into remission she was she was very very um debilitated by this neurologically she she's um uh very difficult to walk you know and um you know needed you know walking aids and things like that that and um she wanted to do carnivore her neurologist said that is a huge mistake you're being Reckless with your health you're going to be end up in a wheelchair and you're going to die like this is a horrible idea and she's just like and she literally she left there in tears but she refused to take the medication she well she went on Carnivore and she felt so good she refused to take the repeat medications and um then eight months down the track she was scheduled for an MRI she got an MRI and her lesions her CNS lesions had actually reduced by over 40% in just 8 months and her neurologist said to her when reviewing the scan I I don't I have no idea what this happened I cannot explain this I've never seen it happen I've never heard about it happening I have no idea why it happened and she said well do you think it might have been the diet absolutely not so as she just went you're you're dead to me I'm I'm not I'm not wasting my time with you anymore and uh and she's doing great she's doing absolutely amazing so you know we we well we're getting ready to publish a case series actually with you know a dozen of these people we could have done 50 or a 100 I we had enough people who were interested in doing this but you know sort of you know takes a long time to do all these sorts of things so um you know that's well we're working on it now it's not ready for publication but it's a it's just case after case after case after case of not only symptomatic improvements but objective neurological uh reduction reduction in their neurological lesions and uh and yeah again oh but did you really have MS I mean that's the question we have to you know show that like no no no they had Ms we have one guy uh very interesting guy he's been on it a long time and this is the great part because he's been on it so long we're seeing okay what what happens you know years down the road okay well this he's a case this this happened and he figured it out himself he didn't have like okay well I'll give the carnivore diet a try it wasn't there wasn't anything called that but he's a smart guy he's you know an executive uh level guy at Fortune 500 companies so he's bright he's like look I go into companies and I see what's wrong and I fix them so I'm going to do that for myself like okay what is the nervous system made out of what is the milon sheath made out of what are these things okay I need to get this is an inflammatory process what's going to reduce inflammation so he ended up going to you know a a high fat you know meat-based you know heavily ketogenic diet and it was nearly carnivore had a couple sort of uh dark leafy greens um for the the supposed anti-inflammatory effects but it's very small amount and he specifically had them separate he he would eat them like a pill he would not eat them with meat because he he he understood about the antinutrients and how that would actually block out the absorption there so he figured all this out himself he had primary progressive MS and so his first presentation nearly crippled him and he had you know multiple Legion like over a dozen Legions he had a um a five I think it was a 5 centimeter lesion in his brain stem right so you know and he had you know because he's you know he can afford it and he has access to it he had he had the number one MS doctor in New York which was you know one of the best in the world and uh and that's this is all they do and they just they go after this he say look I'm going to try this I'm going to give this a try and they're like all right well you know give it a try they were at least open-minded about it but they were like that's not really going to do anything it's not really going to help look you know just leave everything to me leave the treatment to me just don't stress about it just you do your thing and I I'll take care of this but he was like nah no I'm not gonna not gonna do that and uh and so he started he started doing it his way and he started getting better and better and better and better and better and now um because of his his how good he went this this neurologist actually had they have a the wing in their Department did they actually get people on this thing so actually that's that's actually being practiced now I don't know if they're publishing it or they're sort of keeping as their own proprietary sort of information so that they can like we'll get the best results for Ms if you come to us sort of thing because that unfortunately happens there was um well in New York there's an anecdote there's a there's some hospitals in there and it's people try to come around and say Hey you know you have the best um outcomes for um know head injuries traumatic brain injuries and things like that you know we want to study what you guys do so that we can replicate this at other hospitals and they said absolutely not that's proprietary information know that's why people come to us because we get the best results we don't want our competition knowing that it's like this is not competition this is this is this is human health and um you know you don't get to do that you know and um so hopefully they start publishing this sort of stuff but um but he had primary Progressive he had mult massive lesions it's now I think it's like six or eight years down the road he's in his 50s playing uh semi-professional volleyball he's ripped and on MRI is basically no sign of disease he bit of scar tissue in a couple areas like so that 5 cimeter uh lesion that he had in his brain stem is now 1 E of an inch and it looks like a bit of scar tissue it's gone that's insane yeah it is and so you know this is something that that doctors really have to wake up on and they see someone like you oh we just don't know what it is maybe ask why maybe look into it because that know people used to have curiosity you know they used to think about things going hey why why is it that's what case reports were Alzheimer's disease started with a single case report of you know I think it's a 76 year old lady back in 1906 and said hey look this is really weird we've never seen this before and um and and you know look what that went you know it's like it's it's important to to think about why these things are happening happening and um and saying okay that's weird why is that let's look into that could that be why okay maybe you look into it well there's anti-inflammatory properties of being in a ketogenic diet just ketones are going to suppress inflammation okay there's this principle lectins are highly associated with autoimmunity glyos or glyphosate have associated with autoimmunity well wouldn't that suggest that removing them might improve autoimmunity you know if there's an association you know there could be causation so you you know you try to remove it you see if there's something and what is the brain made of what are what's the myin made out of you know you need to get those things B12 uh that's required for myelinating your axons where does that come from it comes from meat DHA EPA cholesterol saturated fat these are really important things that that you need and so if you start thinking about it logically like this gentleman did you know as a doctor I mean you know you should be able to to draw your own conclusions and come this I me if a guy with no medical training was able to look at this and say okay well how do I address this you know what's it made out of what do I what process do I need to stop how do I do that you know um then you know you should be able to figure that out sometimes it does take you know Outsiders looking in that don't have these preconceived notions that that aren't Thinking Inside the Box the Box being everything you were taught in medical school this is the box and you know everything out there oh that's can't happen that's inside the Box thinking you know I mean I remember commercials when I was a kid think outside the box you know I like where were they with these when they were kids you know like they missed those commercials I guess but um you know you look at it from a different point of view and you try something new you might get a new result if you keep doing the same thing you'll always get the same results and those those results are not great right and as a nurse I blindly just followed what I was told to do right I mean I don't I I I I eventually out of desperation questioned what was happening but I didn't question through that 5 years you know is there a better way to do this than to be putting all of these awful drugs inside my body I that was what they told me to do and I did it I mean I wish I would have been able to look at it and been like you know what no there's got to be something different well yeah I mean I guess the you know the assumption is and the huus is is that well people have been looking at this and studying this and if there if there was a better way they would have figured it out someone would have figured it out that's very lazy thinking someone would have done it someone would have figured it out well they didn't you know I guess if iPhones were possible someone would have figured it out in the 1800s you know Tesla talked about things like like an iPhone but he didn't come out with one you know so it's um you know you just just you try different things you know when Henry Ford um said if I if I followed you know the the market and the demand all these sorts of things I followed what was going on at the time then you know I would have just I would have started a you know buggy whip company and tried to make a an even better buggy whip but he just went straight out in the left field and said no we're doing something completely different we're going to go we're going to go hard left on this and um and that's what you have to do sometimes you know the inside the Box thinking you know this is the Box this is everything I've learned in medical school and these are the boundaries this is all true and it can never be false outside the box thinking supposes that well maybe that that isn't true you know it's um in mathematics you people I understand is non- ucan geometry ukian geometry is a normal geometry that you we see um but it it has these these axioms right so so uclid came up with the different sorts of things okay what can I prove what can I show that this happens every time these mathematical proofs right and some things that he couldn't he couldn't prove but they were just true all the time so they're axiomatic like triangle the angles of of uh triangles always add up to 180 right and so and and you know the the shortest distance between two points is a straight line all these other sorts of things right so non-clean geometry sort of drops one of those axioms okay well let's assume that it's not true but what if triangles don't necessarily have to all their angles have to add up to 180 things change very differently and this is actually why we talk about space being curved and bent and things like that because deep space seems to act in a much more uh nonukan geometric way and um and that's actually really really interesting and so that's that we have to do we have these these aaic assumptions in in medicine and the rest of the world we say nope this is true and it can't possibly be untrue if you just say well what if it's not how would you how would you approach this then it's very different and that's how you get uh new ideas and new discoveries and you have to do that you have to question things or else you're just going to stay in a rut you're just going to stay getting the same old tired results and those are not acceptable right I agree absolutely and yeah those of us out here who are you know suffering and think that there is no hope um it's doctors like you guys that are putting this information out there and you know you're you're not hiding it you're not saying well this is my propri Dr chaffy way and no one else can have my way you're you're you're putting it out there for the whole world and not just the medical community but for for people like me who are in desperation looking for a way to heal 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that aren't supposed to be there something that never existed like glyphosat-prozess in the food agrochemical and cosmetic industry so these are things that are are being directly applied or ingested by humans constantly and we have no idea what these things do well they don't have calories so it's fine because that's the only thing that matters it's like well they have chemicals and these have chemical reactions inside of your body and so that's that's that's very important to understand that you know there's this very strange system that we we live in now that that things can be exposed to humans or put in the food supply um without any evidence that it's that it's safe or beneficial and it's only after it's caused so much harm that we're able to pull it out things like trans fats trans fats were invented in you know well it was an industrial lubricant for you know in the German military before this but Chrisco bought it in 1911 started putting in the food supply or you know um proor gamble bought it and and sold it as krisco in 1911 so that's been in the food supply since 1911 trans fats and and we have pretty good evidence that trans fats lead to are very atherogenic and cause heart disease and plaques and things like that I I knew that in the 90s you know my my organic chemistry professor in 2000 at University of Washington um he he was all over that he was talking about how this is this is not something that EX in nature those those trans bonds are not something that exists in nature and our bodies can't deal with them because of these chemical properties Etc and um and so they they just build up and get deposited because your body doesn't know what to do with it so it just stuffs it off in the little corners and things like that and build a Plex and um and I thought it was sort of done at that point you start about like oh yeah they're banning trans fats and this that and the other transplants did not get banned until 2020 I just read that I had to look it up because I just could couldn't believe it and I'm like how the hell so over a hundred years of harm and and probably two decades of like clear evidence of people saying like no trans fats are really bad before they actually ban the damn thing damn stuff and so you know that's totally backwards you have to prove something's healthy before you put it in the food supply start feeding it to people especially when they say oh you know polyunsaturated fats vegetable oils are actually really good for you like there's no evidence for that that was just American Heart this is this is in in the newspaper it's not you know and and top medical journals Proctor and Gamble paid the American Art Association the equivalent of $20 million in today's valuation to just make up a story about how you know polyunsaturated fats and Seed oils were were super heart healthy and that butter and larden Etc were were bad for your heart it was completely made up it was based on no evidence now the evidence is well the heart American Heart Association says so that's the evidence but they made it up you know and and we know they made it up and we know that they were paid to make it up you know and it and it and yet it just persists um glyphosate glyphosate got put in and being able to use you know sprayed on crops in order to desiccate them and and make them ripen all at the same time so you can all be harvested at the same time and uh and get a better crop yield and so this is being spread on directly before Harvest which means it's not going anywhere that it's getting it's it's it's going into the food supply and they say oh well it breaks down within a day or so really have you read the back of a bottle of Roundup it says once you spray an area you can't plant there for sometimes over a year like so that doesn't make sense and you know there independent Labs that have found like just loaves of bread with 6,000 times the upper limit of the acceptable level of glyphosate and the only reason it was ever put in the in the food supply in the first place was because you know Monsanto or whomever um bear whoever did a study in mice so not humans but mice and um and they they exposed them to glyphosate U and for three months they didn't show any problems but it's just like you're talking about putting this in the food supply forever so you know three months is not long enough right and uh but that was it they and they were able to to convince you know whoever in charge who they probably paid off to approve this to put in the food supply yeah I think it was in 1993 and it's just massively increased since then you know in in the real scientific world when people are being serious they don't take any study at face value until it's been replicated at independent Labs separately follow the same protocol get the same results and if it's not replicated it's not it's it's just not it's not any good it's like okay that's interesting but we'll need to see that happen again and this was not replicated when it was replicated it was well after um FL been being used in the in the food supply and an independent lab did this replicated it but instead of just doing it for three months because why would you you know this is a lifetime thing he just let the rats go and at 3 months yeah the rats were fine at four months not so much they started getting a lot of problems and they started getting very serious metabolic issues very seriously ill getting weird you know endocrine tumors and things like that and uh and they they all just you know died horrible miserable early deaths and so you know there's a lot of that in the literature it's not the science and because it's not scientific it's fraudulent it's just propaganda it's part of their marketing department but there's a lot of this in in the in the literature where they they falsify their study so it's not uh replicable or they make you know retrospective endpoints so they'll run the study out and they see oh about four months the wheels start coming off and these might start to die or get sick anyway and so it's just like okay but three months they were good so yeah three months it is and then it stops it there so you know they um they uh you know that's fraud you know and uh and and those people people that are they are putting these these papers out are getting attacked they're trying to get their you know tenure taken away they're trying to get their grants taken away they're trying to you know the the Monsanto and bears and fisers of the world and Nestle Etc they actually are major sponsors of all these top medical journals as well as the conferences so they actually have a lot of control as to what gets published and and people are running into brick walls going like why can't I get this published you know like um do Dr Stephanie senith who's been a research scientist MIT since the 880s you know and she's like she's you know a tenured faculty member and she you know has has been pumping out brilliant research for 40 years and yet you know people say oh no no we can't do it now she's a bulldog so she's just like I'm you know getting these things published but because she's publishing on on the negative aspects of glyphosate these powers that be the people that stand to lose money from this are really trying to suppress her work and uh and you know it goes on like this so you know it's um yeah it's it's it's well it's pretty nasty stuff but um you know I been on about five different tangents but I I did want to ask you um you know neurologically how are you doing now you're off your medication but and you're back working out but do you feel that you're you're back to your Baseline before this started or how are you feeling now no um you know I try to make sure that people understand that I'm not back to Baseline I'm not normal still I'm I'm doing occupational therapy and physical therapy and like it it's going to take it took five years for my nerves to get as destroyed as they are so it's going to take time for them to to get back um there are nights that the pain in my hands especially if I've been really busy that day I still hurt but overall I would say that I am 100% better than it was last time this time last year but I I have I have some healing to go still and you know I have to remind myself sometimes I get really really sad because I want it now and you know my husband has to remind me it took five years to get here you it's it's only been you know we're getting ready to come up on a year you know next month of being on Carnivore so the healing I've had in a year is is remarkable like I could there's nothing that the there's nothing that the allopathic Medical Health Care system could have given me to bring me to where I am right now so I will continue you know it it's stupid things like I I would love to be able to start an IV again um and I'm never going back to allopathic medicine I've uh finished my nurse coaching um and I'm sitting for my boards this spring and I'm going to help others do the same thing that I did so I'm not going back to Al apathic medicine but that that stupid little part of me is like all I want to be able to do is start an IV again darn it like you know because that's just the fine motor skills that I haven't had my writing is getting better again I can read my writing for the last couple years I couldn't read my writing and I'm starting to be able to read it again I don't look at it and like what did I write um I um my typing is getting better again like the things I when I got sick I was a nursing supervisor at the hospital and I ended up having to apply for a promotion so I could get off the floor and go to an office which is to me that was a demotion not a promotion because I wanted to be out with the patients like that was what I wanted to do that's why I became a nurse and after 20 years of taking care of patients it was really hard to step back uh but it got to the point even in my office job like I had to have a heater in my office at the hospital i' have I had to have a waiver to be able to have a heater in my office at the hospital because my hands if I got cold in the air conditioning I couldn't move them like they would just get Frozen and so it was getting to the point where I could work less and less at work and I was actually working remotely more than I was working at the hospital and it just wasn't so I haven't gone I retired my September the end of September was the my retirement and so I haven't worked I've been full-time student since then and um I'll de I have a YouTube channel that is never going to go anywhere really but I wanted my story out there um you know and I only did it because Carrie told me I had to do it he was like do it do it do it and I said well one person watches it and get something from it then that's all that matters because I it took I met early on in my carnivore journey I met a lady on Instagram from Vietnam who had the same has CP and she had been carnivore for three years and she was 100% back to her Baseline at three years yeah wow and so that gave me hope like I finally I met somebody that has exactly what I have and is telling me that she is back to completely normal and so I want somebody else to know that hey this can happen um it really can and I have faith that in the next couple years I'll be 100 I'll be back to 100% or even better because I'm not vegan anymore so I'll be even better uh my muscles grow so much faster now than they did when I was vegan I'm you know it it's funny all the different things and I pretty much eat for the most part I'm being BB be e with a little bit of shrimp every once in a while um but for the I don't eat much more than beef because that's what I do the best on and absolutely I can eat like I ate chicken for the first time a couple months ago and chicken used to be my favorite go-to right lowfat and healthy and I it made me sick like I could it made my body hurt it made I I just I was like nope more chicken and it was within like an hour that I knew that it was something that I couldn't do again yeah yeah surprising how quickly that that hits you when I I sort of experimenting you know early on I go to a restaurant maybe had some seasonings on I'm like oh I don't really want to eat this you know or like chicken wings or something like that and you know they they left put the sauce on I'm like oh damn it and so I was just like all right well I'll just try and see and you know within 20 minutes you know my face is itchy my nose is stuffy starting feel like I'm getting like a bit of asthma and it's like oh this sucks I really don't like that but it's it's surprising how quickly it hits you and um uh which is you know it's which makes if there is something in there that's harmful to you and it is harming you that would make sense that you're G to you're going to see see that but you know so many people that just have all these inputs we eating so much garbage all day every day that it just it just Fades into the background of of the misery that that is your life so um yeah I noticed that as well um I was going to I was going to ask as well um if it's if it's okay to say who who's the doctor you're seeing in Arizona it's always good to sort of you know get a bigger Network um for my primary care Primary Care yeah carnivore one Dr sigaloff um I think I wonder that yeah yeah do you know him I know him I do know him yeah and I I wondered if that was him yeah yeah he was he says he's been trying to get on your radar yeah no no we we we talk on Instagram and things like that yeah yeah he he he is um he's a lot of fun and you know it's it's it's great to finally have someone on my side in my Healthcare that doesn't just be like you know I and I had asked um on I belong to a to an Arizona carnivore group and I had asked does anybody know a carnivore friendly doctor you know we're getting ready to move to Arizona I want to have somebody who isn't going to look at me like I'm growing two heads when I tell him I'm a carnivore and he was recommended to me and so we drive a little bit further we bought out in the middle of nowhere we don't have any neighbors I I decided that I you know well it's nice until my husband he has to drive into Tucson to get to the hospital that he works at so it's like an hour and 20 minute drive for him every day oh wow that's like that's like farther than Phoenix I mean this only takes like an hour and a half to get Phoenix we're three hour where we're at is three hours from Phoenix so we're south of Tucson we're in between Tucson and Mexico yeah right yes go to ngalas a lot yeah we're we're not far from ngalas um but it I would rather drive the extra distance to see him than have a doctor who tells me that I'm a nurse and I know better and even my primary care doctor you know she had trained at the University of Arizona and done did their integrated medicine program so when we told her we were going to do carnivore she was she said she was 100% behind it first time cholesterol was drawn I have an email from her that says you need to rethink your diet this diet is killing you and we need to talk about Statin the diet's actually saving my life so um you know I think evid is completely the other way you know it's the only thing that's helping me in fact they don't want and I say they because I'm going to I'm going to put everybody in this bucket um the nurses that I worked with um bless all their hearts the doctors that I worked with um these are people who have known me I was at the same hospital for 18 years so these are people that I have worked with for that long and they watched me get really really sick and in the last year uh you know before I retired they watched me progressively get better and better and better and none of them um they they won't acknowledge that it is carnivore like the treatment something you know and it's funny because how come how did we how do we get especially nurses you know we you talk about the box but we're taught to think outside the box because that's part of our critical thinking of being a nurse because sometimes PTI you know our patient care doesn't fit inside of a box and how come all of these people can't see outside of that box that maybe something maybe this is what has made me better and you know they're like you're not going to return to a hospital once you get better and I'm like why would I go back to what was killing me like I the stress of of that I don't think I would have gotten better if I had stayed where I was I needed to that whole change needed to happen because it was removing the stress and it was removing all the food and it was eating the proper human diet but it all played a part I sleep better now I feel better I I function better my brain functions better I mean part of that could be the Gaba penon that I no longer have cloudy my brain but it's absolutely incredible I never thought that life could get better again yeah oh that's amazing and it you know it is it is unfortunate that a lot of people try to explain this way say well but you were on treatment and so that makes sense ignoring the fact that that the treatment has never ever put anyone into remission and drop their antibodies down to zero ever unless unless it's killed them and and everything's gone down right the treatment was never to cure me no I mean there was never the the word cure the word heal was never used in any of my treatment over the last five years it was all well let's see if we can um mitigate some of the symptoms yeah you was all symptom management and then how many meds did I end up on because of this medicine caused this problem and I and it was just like this Cascade of so no one ever um said well let's try to heal you instead of you know I remember I told my neurologist once a couple years ago he used to roll his eyes at me all the time because I be like well maybe I'll try acupuncture and see if that helps the pain he just roll his eyes at me but I told him once I'd like to get I what is the chances I can get off the Gaba pen and I'd like to get off the meds and he goes well why would you want off the meds and I said well because I don't want to take medicine the rest of my life he goes but you have a lifelong illness and you're going to need the meds the rest of your life I have patients that have been on these meds for 20 or 30 years you're just going to have to I mean that's your life yeah yeah well good for you for not accepting that you know because so many people go into that and go like well I guess this is it and I just have to do this and you know thank God for medicine that I even have this option because otherwise you know i' just be in a hard place and and and that is true you know if you don't if you don't have any other alternative then that's then treating the symptoms at least there's that you know but still look you know don't don't just settle for that don't just settle for for good enough you know you know strive for more and and I really appreciate the fact that you did that and are sharing your story uh with others and I really do think that you should continue on with your YouTube channel because you never you never know I mean the thing is I I I thought there was probably no point in starting a YouTube channel because I was just like well you know there there's a lot of people out there Market's saturated people are saying the things that I want them to say you know maybe not exactly the way I'd say it but you know the ideas are out there the plant toxins the meat being good for you saturated fat being good for you cholesterol being um and um you or cholesterol causing heart disease being bull and um you know and then I just said okay well well maybe I'll just I'll just put stuff out there and and it just you know slowly but surely grew and you know there because the thing is is that what I realized was that um you know people people hear information differently from different people and and just the different presentations speak very differently to certain people and so when I when I started this I started saying these things I I cannot tell you how many comments I got on my videos saying you know I've heard these these ideas before and I've heard people talk about them but it was only when you said it the way you said it that it actually made sense to me and I wanted to try it and now I'm getting all these great results and so you know I'm going to be able to say something in a way and communicate into a way that's going to make sense to certain people but a lot of other people it's not going to make sense to and and I mean just you know like they're just going to be like oh that's ridiculous you're just gonna kill people all that sort of stuff you're G to get those but you might say it in a way and and from a position that they say well hold on a second maybe that that makes a bit more sense now and maybe this start looking at things differently and so I would definitely do that especially from your own lived experience you know I I I haven't had a debilitating autoimmune disease I've just seen people with them get better but you you having done that and be like no this is this is very clear and you can say that you know that's that's a very powerful um position to be in that you can help other people especially with with that condition so you know I would definitely encourage you to just keep going with it the key to to YouTube and any social media is just consistency you just keep you just keep posting just keep posting just keep posting and you try to do things that are interesting and and there's different ways of getting things out there better thumbnails and catchy titles and all that that sort of stuff and and it does make a difference trust me but you know the the key is just consistency just just keep putting it out there keep putting it out there and if nothing else um you know you're going to help you're going to help you know certain people and and then you're going to get more interviews on bigger channels and people are going to see you like oh I saw you on this and saw you on that and we saw your channel and that's going to get you other interviews and that's going to get other people wanting to be on your channel as well to talk about their recovery and it's just going to grow from there so I would definitely do that the more voices that we have the better and especially coming from different points of view coming from professionals coming from someone who has been a nurse and and run hospitals and and now you've left that and saying like this isn't the way guys you know you know you know you've been in there you know for for your entire career on the inside running these hospitals you see how they work and you realize that they don't work all that well and we need to change something to make it better so I think that's a very very uh you know powerful position and message that that you could share with people well thank you for that I I I will continue to you know if anything like I said it helps one or two people or and then um with my coaching clients I have some place to send them to to look at to watch my story I don't have to sit there and waste an hour of you know my time rehashing my story every time but um I I appreciate that you have a YouTube channel because it is because of you that I even continued Carri down like and decided that this was maybe maybe this was an okay thing to do um because you you know that that medical side of you everything screams in there and it says no no no like humans can't I can't sustain just on you know on me and like if I think about it now I had a kill and swis Shard salad every single day for like years and years and years for lunch and now I think about that and I just makes me like I'm gonna I'm gonna have ground beef for lunch um but like I think about what I used you know how I thought that I was taking care of myself to how I am now and you know my family I think they get tired of hearing me talk about carnivore you know all of them say that they're not sick so they don't need it um and you know that's their thing my 19-year-old son who is in the space force is a carnivore and I think my I have a freshman in University of Hawaii and I think that he'd be carnivore if the vending machines didn't take my credit card that's funny but you know I just the just trying to get as many people as I can to listen and I'm that person that will tell everybody my husband says come on we need to go don't talk to them and I'm like yeah but they need to hear about carnivore I yeah I've I've definitely gotten the same from um you know my fiance L she's just like why are you spending so much time like talking to people online this and I like like they need help they've asked real questions they need help like I can I I can answer them I need to at least try I can't answer everything but I do I try you know and some sometimes I'll spend like hours just responding to messages and comments and things like that if I feel that they're you know something that that's a I can help with and B um I have time for and and C is something worth answering and it's just like you know it's like normal stuff it's like I've got 50 videos on there like you don't have to ask me just ask ask YouTube like there's enough there but um but I try to help as many people as I can and because it's important you know because you see how much it helps and you know you you got into to nursing to be with people on the ground floor and this is this is that you know you're helping people you you're getting out there and you're talking to people you're helping them and and you're telling them something that can actually change their life completely and but for the first time in my nursing career I get to try to heal not just treat yeah exactly yeah and not just not just symptom management and disease management but actually curing things you know and this this can it's been it's been ially proven to be able to cure diabetes that's a major progenitor of so many different chronic diseases and issues and so you know you you can say that that you can cure these things and some people say well you know it's not really a cure because if you go back if you stop eating it that way the problems come back it's like yeah I guess you can never cure lead poisoning either because as soon as you go back to drinking water from lead pipes lead poisoning comes back well that's you know um like you know you guys you need to think about these things and be be clear about what's causing the problem the problem is exposure we're being poisoned or being malnourished and so when you give people the proper nutrients and and remove the toxic elements they get better it's not hard and and people even say that trying to detract from a carnivore that well all it is is you know just an Elimination Diet just you know getting rid of all these things that can cause harm yeah yeah that that's that's the entire point you know you want to get rid of things that cause armm and just get things you know and just have your your nutrients and get your proper nutrition that is the whole point and it is so powerful because we we're being exposed to so many toxins be they these million man-made chemicals that have been patented since the 1970s or the million plus plant defense chemicals that we know exist that we've classified categorized and named and you know the combination of those things are are really hurting us and you know just not living to our natural biological design never going outside sitting under garbage light not exercising not you know um being normal humans we have no no semblance of a circadian rhythm and normal hormonal pattern you know just just because of our lifestyles and you know when you get away from our biological design problems happen and animals get this as well dogs and cats get diabetes and lupus and cancer and all these different sort of things they don't if they get fed properly and live more naturally existence same with zoo animals same with all animals out in the wild so you know it's um you know it is it is really nice to be able to give somebody something so powerful especially when someone has like cancer or something like that I me like I have I have this you know I told my grandf I was like look this is going to be a while I've I've got to answer this you know and um you know you you just when you know that there's something that can help somebody and it's and it's a critical issue like how how do you not spend five minutes helping them and at least pointing them in the right direction having videos is really helpful like that that was 90% of the reason I made a channel was so that I could have something to so I didn't have to spend all this time in a 10-minute Clinic appointment um in neurosurgery you know I could just you know you know you've got 30 patients to see I you know I cannot spend all that much time with them now I can just point them at these videos to say hey you need to watch this you know this can help with you know reduce inflammation and to generative you dis disease and spine disease is all from glycation and things like that we've shown that um you're taking samples and putting on their lab they're all they're all heavily glycated and same with other joints and things like that you know you need to go watch this you need to go see this and all that sort of stuff and um you know so it's nice to be able to do that but like how do you not how do you have someone sit in front of you and say you know they've just been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer and they say is there anything else I can do is there anything that I can do to help this how do you then just go no sorry just move along to your oncologist and and then they'll sort you out how do you do that I mean like that's that's not ethical you know and you have to you have to it's immoral you know it's unethical it's immoral it's evil like you have to say something have to you know how do you how do you withhold that you know something that could help that could help them not necessarily you know cure them of cancer but but at least help them you know and you know it can help them because there are dozens of stud on GBM specifically in humans showing that it helps them and you know case case reports published of people living 10 years plus on just ketogenic diet ketogenic carnivore diet approaches how do you how do you just just blank them and just be like no idea no idea how to help you there's nothing you can do just go go off and die like you can't do that I mean not not with not if you have a soul you know not if you have any any of conscience so yeah I'm I'm with you I spend I spent a lot of time you know doing that sort of thing because it's it's important it's not just because you know I just want to feel like you know I'm oh I can tell you something I'm interest this saves people this saves them you know a lot of Agony and illness like how do you not how do you not spend time and tell people about it right no and we people appreciate it I mean honestly I I don't know where I would have been it took it was enough hearing it from Carrie and enough hearing it from michaa but it took me having to hear it from a doctor right you know that's the and and as a nurse um of course I want to hear it from the medical field but even normal people who are not in the medical field they still need to hear it from a doctor too I mean we you know we're we're programmed to believe that everything doctors tell us is the truth which um maybe it's their little bucket of Truth um but um because because you are out there and your stuff is out there and because Dr Baker and because Dr kils and because all these wonderful doctors are putting their stuff out there that gives us hope and so don't stop doing what you're doing either ever I mean I just watched your interview with Reena the other day um that you did and that you I have been doing this I have been immersed in this rabbit hole for a year and like there were things that I was like oh my gosh now that finally makes sense why that is that way or you know so it it's you're right it's how you say it in its different ways and it's the different presentations so um that will be my number one send everybody to video when they want to know about carnivore because you answered every single question the way it needed to be answered oh thank you which one was that I've done a couple with Reena um um it was the latest one all the things new carnivores need to know or something oh okay yeah it had just come out we we were we took a trip to Tucson and listened to it on our way up there and my husband said the same thing he's like this is the best one I've heard yet yeah oh nice oh that's great because it's just the way the information was laid out yeah oh well thank you very much I appreciate that and I'm glad it was very helpful that's that's always good to hear right well great well thank you so much for taking the time and tell us your story I think it's absolutely incredible I love what you're doing and I love that you're you're sharing this with people because it's it's so important I mean with the recovery that you've had you know if if if other people can get this as well you know then that that's that's really important to get this that this out to them so that they can at least have a chance at at helping themselves improving their situation um where do people find you and and and see your videos your YouTube channel social media things like that um Instagram and and YouTube is the same thing it's at eating meat to walk okay um I also belong to a couple of amazing communities um staking better gang and healing Humanity life and um I'm very happy to be part of amazing communities nice and then are you um and you're doing coaching as well can they find that through the social social media oh um right now I'm finishing up my hours to sit for my boards okay um and then I hopefully um this is not going to be news for Carrie um I'm hopefully going to be a coach for healing humanity and um they're they haven't quite gotten there yet and we're working on it um but right now I am finishing up school and I can be reached on Instagram I always answer my messages everything because I know what it's like to be in that place so I can I can be reached there perfect well I will uh put those down in the descriptions below and everyone can find you there and if people have um have experienced something like this or they know someone with CP or any other neurological issue or autoimmune issue they've recovered from please comment uh down below and and tell us about that because one of the one of the strongest things that people um you know some of the strongest um influences that people have looking at those personal testimonies seeing this and then they reading the comments and they look at it's just hundreds of other people that have had had the same results and the same benefits or know someone that has and that really helps people say okay well maybe this could work for me as well like you know they'll read a comment say well that that's me that those are my symptoms those are my problems and this worked for them and 50 other people in the comments so maybe this is something I should try and then they try it and it and it it works quite often so uh please do leave a comment if you know anybody who's recovered or of of any sort of carnivore recovery as well it's so important to get these stories out there and uh and just share that with the community Renee thank you so much for coming on it's been an absolute pleasure thank you so much for having me it was amazing oh great well it was it was my pleasure really and thank you all for watching please do leave a comment and let us know your story or 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