Cancer, Ketosis, and Deuterium with Dr Gabor Somlyai, PhD!

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off uh hello everyone it's uh Dr Anthony chafee here with another episode of the plant free MD and I'm very excited to say I have a very special guest Professor Gabriel somlay who is a Hungarian professor of molecular biology and has carries his PhD in the same and is one of the world's expert if not the world's expert on deuterium which is heavy hydrogen and what that affects what what how that affects our body and in particular cancer and metabolic disease Professor Solomon thank you so much for for coming on thank you for having me so I just to clarify I have a PhD but I'm not a professor oh is he okay yeah so but you're involved in clinical research uh as well we have we have conducted a couple of clinical studies as well but my background is Monaco biology yeah very good uh well Dr Salman uh thank you very much um so yeah so for for um people that don't aren't familiar with your work can you tell us a bit about yourself and the work and the research that you do yeah so I I wanted to become a biologist because it was my all interest when I was a kid to to think about cancer so that was the reason that I I went to the biology faculty I I graduated in in 1982. but at that time I couldn't find a job relating to the cancer research so I I went to a plant protection Institute and my job was to to identify the genes of the bacteria which responsible to to recognize the host plant and I I made the PHD I was a Hungarian scholarship order of the Hungary Academy of Sciences so then I defend defeated my PhD I I worked in Germany in gottinga for half a year and then I was invited to the United States for a year as a postdoc so when I came back from the United States in 1989 the next day I quit my job and try to find another job which is relating to cancer research the the reason that I had two two idea one idea which came to my mind it was in in 1976 before I went to the university and based on the idea which was set by Albert sanjogi who is one of the Hungarian overall rate and he said that the early 70s that if you want to solve the cancer problem you have to go sub-molecular level so he was a very very clever scientist and he he recognized 50 years ago that it's nice that we are talking about molecular biology but but he said it's impossible that the huge protein would be responsible to organize that very complex system what we call life and he he suggested that the electron should be that small particle very fast very small could be an everywhere within the cell and he is supposed that that the the flow of the electron should be the reason of the cancer so I I kept it in my mind that the submolecular that word and one day the idea came to my mind that maybe not the negatively charged electron but the positively charged hydrogen ion could be that very small particle and and okay I I kept it in my mind and when I was a student just before I graduated the other idea came to my mind that there is a heavy hydrogen it is called deuterium and it's it's cannot be explained that I was sure that the hydrogen and utum together regulate the cell growth and that's it so that was it in 1980 and when I came back to the United States and I started to find a new new job I I found a Hungarian Nation Institute oncology and then I started to investigate the possible role of deuterium in the living organism that that is how it started 32 years ago oh very good yeah yeah so you are MD you know so the point is that the deuterium was well known almost 100 years ago and the ratio between the hydrogen deuterium is 6600 to 1. so it's it's very strange that small parts part of the hydrogen is is deuterium so I guess that was the reason that it was ignored for 60 years and and but on the other hand the deuterium level concentration is 12 millimole in our body and if you compare it with the calcium level in the blood which is 2.5 millimole the Magnesium only one millimole how can we ignore the deuterium is its concentration is six times higher then the Magnesium work so this is how this started yeah I suppose I mean and it makes sense here because we've got hydrogen just on everything you know it's in everything you know our hydrocarbons obviously have hydrogen so you know you're having you know anywhere from three to four or sometimes two uh hydrogen per uh you know uh carbon molecule and things like that and these in these massive molecules and so there's just there's just a ton of these things and and deuterium for people that don't know it's just you know hydrogen is the smallest atom it's just one proton except when you have do you know um deuterium it's just basically double that so you have to have double the weight but it still just has that that uh you know that one positively charged um uh proton and and so you know if you think about it it's like was that is that that big of a deal you know you have other isotopes that have you know multiple weights and different things and and they have and they have different uh functions you know you have they they do different things in nature um but deuterium if I understand it correctly this plays more of a significant role in replacing normal hydrogen because it's it's literally double the weight and so you have you know you have that carbon 14 you know that's a that's a little heavier but it's not it's not double the weight of of carbon 12 and things like that is that right yeah you are absolutely right so the point is that there are lots of Isotopes in in nature oxygen nitrogen but the hydrogen is the only where there is hundred percent difference in in mass and that caused the biggest isotopic effect so if you investigate how fast we can break a bond between oxygen hydrogen oxygen nitrogen uh nitrogen hydrogen in that breaks my tensile size so we can break and this is a big difference between the other isotopes that the biggest isotopic effect we can we can measure and we can see between the hydrogen and deuterium which is due to the hundred percent Mass difference and and it means that even both of them is hydrogen with one electron one positively charged proton but chemically these two elements behave very very different way and and that finally we have two different hydrogen yeah okay and so so to that end you know how does deuterium act differently in our body and you know why does it matter what how does it influence disease and health yeah yeah so so the very first experiment of course I I wanted to see whether and check it whether is that any role of deuterium living organisms the simplest way is if I prepare Duty and depleted water and used up that water which the concentration is much lower than the natural level and in the very first in vitro study when I checked the emitter grows of cancer cell lines I I found that it slows down the their growth or stopped it completely and that was a good sign after that for a year I just repeated my experiment to be sure that this is really due to that it works as I expected the other experiments we did at the Cancer Research Institute we replaced the drinking water of the mice so we transplanted the human breast cancer to mice and one group of mice consume normal water the other Duty depleted water and we could save the life of the mice so it is with deuterium depleted water and then that was the beginning and this is what we published in in 1993 and and I I checked of course what other scientists think about cancer what they think about the signal system and what I picked up that everybody agreed that when a gross hormone bind to the membrane and that that will stimulate the sodium hydrogen antibod it means that the cells will pick up on sodium and transfer one hydrogen from the cell and that goes a change in the pH within the cell and it was said finally this is the signal that will stimulate and initiate the cell growth but I I said that the real reason is not the change in the pH but when the pH is increasing that hydrogen transport system prefer to eliminate the hydrogen it means that the ratio of the duty is increasing in the cell so the final signal is not the changing pH but the increasing DH ratio and this is what we published this is the reason which is necessary that the cell can trigger cell division and even we published in that paper that we checked and I checked not only the the in vitro grows in the deuterium depleted but due to an enriched media and the higher the concentration stimulated the cell growth which means if the cell say okay I have enough deuterium I very easily can divide and so that was one of the the evidence that must be very strong correlation between the deconcentration and the and the cell growth rate so this is what we published all right so so cells seemingly need a certain threshold of deuterium in order to to replicate and to grow is that is that right yeah so I I I always say this is the green light for the cell to to multiply is the increase the age ratio within the cell and that is based on the stimulation of the membrane transport process but on the other hand if you want to regulate something you need a red light also you're just I need a traffic lamp so if we have only green light that should cause a big trouble on the road and and the and the red line is is the mitochondria and because everybody every day is synthesized so-called deuterium depleted metabolic water because we have two source for water the water what we drink and the water that we synthetize because when we eat the food and burn it in the mitochondria that will produce carbon dioxide and metabolic water and that metabolic water in a healthy people in a healthy cells is due to depleted the the question is how depleted and it depends on what we eat and so when we when the I asked the scientists check the deconcentration of the sugar the cottage cheese olive oil or fat so they took out the water from the food and then they burned the food to water and carbon dioxide and we measured the deconcentration of this water and this is the water that we synthetize and we did that type of food and it turned out so the carbohydrate produce 150 PP and deuterium concentration which is the normal deconcentration but when we burn the fat that produce hundred fifteen hundred nine PPM depending on the type of of fat so it means that the more fat we eat the lower will be the metabolic water the concentration and and I I think that this is a big shift in the last six years in the society that people are sad you have to cover the calorie intake in 60 percent 70 percent with carbohydrate and it means we are producing water metabolic water close to 150 PPM but 100 years ago or or 70 years ago people ate much more fat so the average deconcentration of the metabolic water was lower and and I I guess this is one reason that there are so many diabetic patients so much cancer patients and the incidence is increasing because our life the average dick level is higher than it was uh 50 60 100 years ago and so the the brake system is in a healthy cells the membrane is can increase the DH ratio but in the house it says the mitochondria producing butane depleted metabolic water so these are imbalanced but we also know that a common feature each cancer says is that the damage mitochondria so if no breaking the system the cells very easily can lift up the DH ratio to the threshold and this is they are cancer cells yeah so yeah well I think and then and it perfectly ties into you know what we see in in cancer biology is you know we're talking about you know just before we came on with my interview with Professor Thomas seifried from Boston College if people you know have seen that or you know you can go back and watch but you know he was saying that you know according to cancer biology if you have healthy mitochondria you cannot get cancer and that this is a cancer is really a disease of the mitochondria and mitochondria are you know they regulate cell growth when they get damaged they can't regulate that growth and you see it so you get dysregulated growth which is what cancer is it just grows out of control and that that is what cancer is and um and that the genetic changes or a downstream effect of this you're creating a lot of free radicals that then damage the DNA um but at the same time you know all the all the different cancer cells in in the tumor uh aren't actually of the same genes they don't all have the same genetic changes that we would normally we would expect to see but they all have damaged mitochondria and they all aren't able to function properly and that and and you're saying that that's uh that makes perfect sense and and that there's more than that that this this has to do with deuterium regulation as well is that right yeah I I agree with that and then you know there is a big demand about the origin of the cancer it's a metabolic or genetic but I would say that both side is right because for example a herceptin is a is a good drug to treat for example breast cancer but in that case the epidermal growth factor receptor is increasing due to the genetic background and it means if there are more receptor for the growth hormone it means The Binding gross hormone can even stimulate the sodium hydrogen transport system so that way the more easily can increase the DH ratio of the threshold so I I guess the the real clue is not on the molecular level whether it's genetic or metabolism below at the submolecular level and the eat what we the food what we eat or or our metabolism how it works our enzyme system how can handle it finally give us a chance whether the cells can balance this increasing and decreasing DH ratio and that is that is you know healthy cells work properly yeah yeah and and so do we know how that works like this is it the higher uh the ratio and then that triggers growth is there do we know the mechanism there yeah so one of our last paper we published this year in the cancer control uh for example we we tested over 700 gene expression it is called Nano string technology it means we are able to count one by one the copy number of a given Gene and we tested I guess over 250 cancer related genes and over 500 kinase related genes so we kept the cancer cell line of a lung cancer cell line in a dual team depleted media 150 PPM as a control and 300 PPM as a dual team enrich media and and then we the the first results was that 70 of the gene expression changed when we changed the concentration so it means changing the DH ratio immediately simultaneously you can modify the expression of hundreds of genes but the point was that almost 99 percent of the genes responded to the higher deconcentration so so when we are giving people utum depleted water it means we keep the D level on a lower level which prevent and inhibit that the cells could be able to increase the gene expression and this is how we can slow it down or we can trigger the tumor necrosis but but the the cells are prepared to to and waiting for that that when the DH ratio is increasing that turn on the genes simultaneously hundred of them and then then the proteins feeling will arrange it but they have to do so this is how it works uh and and it's clear the the other uh important results was that so I have been following cancer patients consuming DW for 30 years I I followed about 2500 patients and it yeah and it was very strange to to see that sometimes we couldn't see the positive effect of ddw and talking talking asking and and chatting with them after a while it was clear that those people who are taking so much antioxidant at the same time drinking ddw that prevent the and reduce diminish the efficacy of this w and I I suppose the ddw must increase the radicals and if you increase the radicals in cancer cells that can trigger the necrosis of the tumor cells and finally that was proved by professor zubarev in at The karolinsky Institute that really ddw cause at this balance and and finally cause an oxidative stress and that leads to the necrosis of the tumor so that should be the the basic Melodies how we can kill cancer with due to intributed water okay so they they when the deuterium gets down to it to a certain threshold uh then the the cell just can't can't survive it's just creating too many free radicals and then it ends up uh destroying itself is that right yeah and a little bit more complicated so uh can I cite my book yeah please do I I yeah so this is this is my book so so I I summarized the 30 years of the study the the we have to focus two aims we have to reduce the deconcentration to trigger the necrosis and we have to keep it the decrease in gradually decreasing D level as soon as possible and this is a big game so typically for cancer patients we recommend to start at 105 PPM but after one tumors no real change in the body because we are being equilibrium so after we suggest to change for 85 PPM and after one two months changed for 65 PPM and if the protocol is is good and the dosage is is good that way we gradually reducing the d-level for months by months and slowly we can eliminate all cancer cells and that would be the way to to to to use it and apply and of course everybody should follow the protocol which is recommended by the oncologist so I do not say replace it no we have to integrate due to in depletion to to the existing therapy yeah yeah absolutely and um so you know it sounds like there's like you know cells have obviously like higher threshold you know this will this will cause harm and dysregulated growth and then too low the cells aren't going to be able to survive and so yeah and I would I would presume that that's true for other cells as well so you don't want to but but at the same time you're you know from what you were saying about yourself it can your healthy cells can can regulate that a little better is that right but but you still don't want them to get too low is that right yeah yeah you're all right yeah uh so so so far after selling about five million liter of water we we haven't received any any feedback that it would be harmful for for the healthy people and of course before that we made my study we had made the dogs and cat study follow the blood counts and all this thing so no real uh a concern about the safety concern and of course I can imagine that maybe 1 PPM two liter per day and the very fast decrease should cause trouble and the lowest water we used it was 25 PPM and of course we never recommend either healthy or cancer patients to start at 25 PPM because first no any reason to to trigger so fast and and so dramatic decrease in the concentration and and and even it is not recommended to do that and if we can go to the multi bonus so we have checked uh we one one day a cancer patients who was diagnosed with diabetes came back and he said that his blood sugar level went down and and I was very surprised because I I wanted to solve the cancer problem not the metabolic disease so when we we run a red study at the University we tested different deconcentration uh 2575 105 125 PPM and and checking the blood glucose level and the point was that not the lowest deconcentration reduced the best way the body cost level about the 125 PPM and then we checked between 125 and 150 changing 5 PPM so the best dose is hundred twenty five hundred thirty five hundred forty PPM and it means that the the life and the all the system regulatory system is is plus minus 20 30 PPM this is the range when the proteins and Order system is sensitive for the changing the concentration so when we are talking about metabolic disease we do not recommend to go down to 65 or 45 PPM just recommend to keep it at 130 and it's 35 PPM and then the insulin signal system will be much better and and other parameters relating to metabolic disease work much on the better way and and so how does how does deuterium affect the the blood sugar levels do we know how that works we we have completed on Facebook study the the Android 30 patients they were impaired fasting glucose and diabetes or impaired glucose tolerance test and in that study we could prove that the blood pressure decreased and in that study we could prove that the fasting glucose level decreased and within three months uh 30 percent of the patients we could be used insulin resistancy so and and as I started my talk or or answering your own question before did that clinical study we measured the deconcentration of the blood and it was 145 150 PPM between that okay after 90 days we measured 130 Street PPM so we reduced the D level where we think the optimum 135.33 PPM and in that deconstantiation everything was better the the sales enjoyed it that that the d-level is reduced yeah and and that this is belongs to the I guess to the ketogenic diet and the high carbohydrate intake and this is we can say that the ketogenic diet is very very good and recommended because it is due to in depletion itself yeah well then and that's yeah yeah I I wonder like well I mean it's obviously everything is all tied together and when you have and we have you know systems in biology that just work so much better in One Direction and we can find a lot of reasons for that and it certainly sounds like this is is another one of those uh you know just thinking about that as obviously I you know I'm a big proponent of a carnivore diet so and it an even more aggressive uh keto diet but um yeah we're just thinking about you know deuterium um you know like you're saying you know you're you're eating a lot of uh when you eat carbohydrates your deuterium levels are going up when you're eating a lot of uh animal fats you're making metabolic water and that's deuterium deplete so that's that's offsetting that I'm helping that um and then do do things like fruits and vegetables and those sorts of things they have higher deuterium as well so would that be contributing or is that um where do they lie so depending on the food there are two main factors the one factor is that the origin of the of the food because in the equatorial area the the rain deuterium concentration is 155 PPM and as we go to the uh pause to the North and the South Poles the deconcentration of the uh surface water is decreasing so the banana and orange has a higher D level comparing with the Apple in Hungary growing in Hungary this is one thing the other the plants has three Pathway to fix the carbon dioxide from the air and synthetize carbohydrates it is a so-called C3 C4 and cam and the C3 which for example the wheat the peanut they deplete more the deuterium than the C4 which is for example the corn so it means plants are plants but depending on the uh pathway what way they can fix the carbon dioxide even can be closer the deconation to 150 or can be more depleted the cam for example the pineapple it's even can enrich the deuterium because the CM pathway can can accumulate the deuterium so it means that independently so the plants are also can discriminate to some extent between the hydrogen and deuterium yeah and um and so going to to back to the mitochondria just quickly just on that so how does the deuterium affect you know the the energy metabolism of the mitochondria yeah so so what we again what how can we prove it that we can we can uh it has impact with the duty level on the mitochondria because it is said that uh that uh the mitochondria of course is running and entering the atpase and and binding a double bind uh double as DTM can destroy or that should be one way but what we have done is a test with the athletes so uh we made a loading test and we checked the blood parameters uh uh at the beginning of the trial and then we repeated 44 days later when they consumed it in repeated water and we what we found was that that the lactic acid appeared much later after consuming ddw which means the mitochondria should work much properly in a lower deconcentration No Lack of the oxygen and they could utilize much better the the blood glucose level and that was what we found the anion gap was much smaller after consuming for 44 days the DW and that suggests that at the lower level the mitochondria works on a much proper way and this is the reason it that should be related to the mitochondria to the atpase and to that whole part of the metabolism yeah which is very funny yeah I mean we think about obviously you know the sub the sub-molecular level we're just talking about these tiny little molecules and they're just sort of maybe throwing the weight off like you think like an airplane you just sort of don't balance it right it's just going to sort of fly a bit funny and I guess you know in in a crude way you could you could think of think of it like that with these molecules but it's it's funny how that that you know causes such a massive effect on our on our metabolism and energy and cancer as well it's um it's quite impressive so I would say if if uh at the big Bank uh only hydrogen would be in the universe then wouldn't be the the living organ is so complicated so the reason that we should became so complex and the Eucharistic cells can exist and and so complex system can occur just because that the the nature could use out that there is a heavy hydrogen and for that they could build up a new regulatory system so I always say that people should think about that each of our cells has a nucleus which uh 10 micrometer and that 10 micrometer contains the DNA which is 1.8 meter length so packaged in the nucleus and and with a 25 000 genes and it works properly and it's impossible that huge protein should be able to regulate that which Gene should be expressed which genes should be suppressed and and that some molecular level should be a way to to to be able to organize a that whole metabolism the gene expression and all they think yeah which is crazy but I mean but it's but it's great you know it just adds another layer of complexity to all of this and um and this is this is very complex so I make it uh stands to reason that it's even more complex and complicated that we than we imagine because well we know it is you know like we have I have a degree in molecular cellular biology and we don't we don't know how everything works we can explain a lot of things we know about all these different molecules and how many Daltons they are and how you know the different sort of you know expressions and all these sorts of things but at the same time we we still can't explain everything that we see in in our lives you know yeah and then of course big difficult is to to Cove is the world that this is how we should move because it's it's it's a very very difficult and this is what Thomas safer had said that he is keep saying that the mitochondria role and the metabolic disease and all they think and and he's also are not able to to accept how is possible that that all the business the farming industry do not move to that direction that we have to solve the cancer problem is clear because the incidence increasing the price is increasing the society will not be able to to cover the cost of this and even that the patient die 50 60 70 depending on the cancer type and we keep saying so this is the only way we can do we we are publishing and and uh providing more and more evidence and one day we hope that yeah that the right people recognize it that we should go into that direction yeah um and so I I saw a couple things we were talking about um previously you know obviously you know that uh you know certain cancers didn't work as well with uh deuterium depletion they just sort of responded a bit differently which makes makes sense you know they're they're different actors um is that is that the case I think you mentioned pancreatic cancer melanoma and uh GBM as well is that right yeah we say that they respond but these for these cancer type vehicle we recommend a different dosage okay so they are very very aggressive type of cancer and uh and and so this is the reason we we recommend much faster decrease in the deconstration we recommend start immediately with 85 PPM and we do not wait for two three months changing for the other one we have data for for for glioblastoma and typically the media Survivor time for gliblastoma is about 15 months in our data it's it's a 45 months so integrating it we can get a three-fold increase for for for lung cancer we have uh 48 months media Survivor time which is a six watt increase in Imagine Survivor time but it is clear that the pancreatic cancer melanoma and globular stoma they are the most aggressive and and and yes we have to apply all kind of technique and and therapy which is which is available yeah well I'm here and and you know Global summer is a is a nasty nasty disease it's the most common you know primary brain tumor unfortunately it's also the most aggressive and so you know we deal with that a lot in neurosurgery and uh you know for people that don't don't know you know the the median survival of someone who foregoes treatment uh for GBM uh it's three months you know so yeah it makes sense that you have to sort of do a more rapid uh protocol uh for these guys because it is just so aggressive and you know when you know cancer kills in a lot of ways one of the major ways is they just disrupt the organs that they're growing in and you get organ failure and if you're doing that in your brain you don't have to you're too much room uh for for errors so you know when that's that's growing aggressively you need to you need to stop it down quite quickly um that's very impressive that that you're getting you know the 42 weeks out of um out of that that that's that's absolutely fantastic and that's just with and depends on when they can enjoy of course our followed population is is very different because this is not a prospective study that okay I will erode that type of patient but when the people of the GBM we can use the DW at the beginning it means after or before surgery and together with radiotherapy then the median Survivor time can be even higher so it's a very good combination the radiotherapy combining with the deuterium depletion depletion because both is generating radicals and and that way we can even increase the radical concentration and we have a more power to to trigger the necrosis of the tumor yeah okay and this is the reason that we need clinical trials we have to uh carry out lots of protocols and clinical trials to figure out the best way of the dosage and the best way of the integration of ddw to the existing therapy yeah absolutely um and so have you noticed it in in other sort of chronic disease so you have sort of metabolic uh syndrome obviously cancers major one and I think she said high blood pressure as well are there any other uh Health um you know issues that that we see um being related to deuterium we published with with the with the relating a paper relating to the anti-aging we tested uh the center of this Elegance in a system and we could find that we extended the last time lifespan of the that small germs and we also could prove that for example the superoxide this methyls expression increased when we used applied the DW and which again proved that DW trigger radicals and and the cells are responding but independently from me it was proved that the long-time memory of the rats was improved using DW other proof correlation between the deconstration and depression and even now we are we wanna some funds from the European Union within a Consortium in Europe that we were checking uh the neural system and we we've got a font about 76 000 Euros so we will move forward and then uh we had sometimes I had some sporadic and and feedback from the patients I I even wouldn't like to talk about because so it's so so unbelievable that so think about when I started and I said okay we can cure cancer with water so how how can I generate fund and how can I move forward with that statement that water can be good to to cure or to treat cancer and and nobody of course wanted to support that type of research so this is the reason we established the company and we started to generate some revenue and that Revenue was covering the all the expenses as and and Drug development but so I guess it's more than enough for me if I talk about we should go to the cancer drug development and and the metabolic disease and and but but the point is the ddw is not a cancer drug we just recognized the kimanis that submolecular regulatory Melodies and if we adjust everything which is natural it means not 150 PPM is the natural level we have to reduce it then all the cells will be happy and we will we will be healthy yeah well good how do people is it possible to test uh you know how much deuterium they have in their body and then see if that's at a healthy level or not uh we we have measured hundreds of people deconcentration the simplest way is to to condensate the ex-haired uh water and we can measure it which reflect the deconation of the human body to measuring in the in the blood is more complicated we need a mass spectrometer on the thing but we can measure it by by a by your laser equipment what we have in in our production system uh typically we can say that as we measure it people living hundred forty five hundred fifty PPM those who are on a ketogenic diet it must be lower and those who are consuming we giving back samples from those who are drinking DW but we have made the kinetic that of course the longer they drink the lower DD level the lower will be the deconation of the of the body so it's it's it's nothing surprising so this is the way we can measure the the concentration of water and if it's coming from the ex-haired air and it's precipitated we can measure it and so and what's a good range uh like a good healthful range that people uh would would want to be in I guess changing with with 10 15 PPM that's that can be much better at that this is my it's good for people yeah so from 130 500 30 140 even a couple of PPM degrees it has an impact on it okay and so would um if you wanted your your PPM at this level what would your level be that you would want to shoot for personally I typically consume our product prevent a 105 PPM I not every day but in the morning and at the evening or afternoon I drink let's say about 0.6 0.7 liter per day the the rest of the water is normal water it means the average about 125 PPM what I drink every day and when I measured it was about 160 130 PPM my deconstration uh I I play basketball no one can run so much then then I can run so so it's it's extremely good I can I can record everybody yeah and uh and I I guess that should be the target 100 30 140 PPM between that BPM okay and then do you do you what do you do you follow a ketogenic diet or um moved into the more carnivore sort of range or what do you what do you do yourself for for I don't know how many years I I when I remember when I was a kid we ate lots of bread and and that was typical and that was sad uh eating too much bread and several years ago I I changed radically the calorie intake so only one slide of bread and so much uh I fatally the high uh meat with a high fat concentration or or oil oil or yes I I just got to change the the color intake and increase the the portion of the fat uh I I I always said to to cancel patients try to find the balance between the fat and carbohydrates so I never say Don't eat any carbohydrates other most of the people cannot uh keep it on a long term but they they I recommend always increase the color intake with fats that will help you and the people hopefully try to find the best ratio between carbohydrate and and fat and no any sugar of course yeah yeah all right great um and then maybe somebody's like so we're talking about animal fats um about you know specifically but what about like seed oil and vegetable oils and these sorts of things does that does that change or is it just fat works the same uh to make uh you know in this in this uh system to make you know deuterium depleted water as well or is it is there a difference yeah so than than the carbohydrate part of the of the plant and so in each chemical process always the hydrogen is prepared is is preferred it means that synthetizing a long change of uh of uh fat molecules it takes lots of chemical step and at each time the hydrogen will be prefer so finally the deconciliation is getting lower and lower so any kind of complex molecules has a very low deconcentration and in that case even the plant oils has a lower deconciliation so it is recommended of course to not eating only animal fat but coming from from uh from fat from from plant so I won't do okay too I think I saw one thing we were talking about there might be there might be a difference um uh with with like the seed oils and things like that with um uh like the red pill Revolution guys um uh with uh with them there was something they were they were talking about how uh like the seed oils might cause a problem uh with the mitochondria and with uh those like processes like just just how they were metabolized in our in our cells I remember that once I uh invited the professor from France and then who could measure the the deconcentration on a on a 18 carbon chain and he could prove that for example the carbon 9 has only UH 60 PPM deuterium and carbon 13. and next to them and left and right it was 130. so this during the biochemical process it is so so sophisticated and so precise that even depending on the number of the carbon in a long change the D level can be different and in that way how can that influence the mitochondria and how can modified I I cannot play that I don't know we don't know that okay all right and then so what what is the the general protocol that you would have or you know when you work with these cancer patients that you put them on um to you know to to deplete it down is it is it every day that they're doing this or is it do they do it in Cycles or or what's the best uh way to go about it one reason that I wrote the book the team division to to share the knowledge that I collected because I I guess no one on the word uh followed over 2000 patients over 32 years so I I try to call like that because that way we have over 10 000 cumulative follow-up time so so I I as huge database and I I try to give an advice depending on the cancer type depending on the staging depending on the commercial therapy and I wrote several protocol uh depending on what is a cancer type at which stage and whether the patients is waiting for the operation the patients receiving hormone therapy the patients has receiving chemotherapy or whatever so everything is put into the book but the basic concept is someone start to consume ddw they have to replace all the daily water intake because the cells recognize immediately when they drinking beer or wine or or milk or whatever and they've increased back the D level that is very good for the cancer cells but slowly they can adapt to the lower the level so they have to consume 1.52 liter Waters per day this is one thing we recommend and and depending on the staging uh it and depending on the type of cancer they can start at 105 after run two months change for 85 but later changed to 65. but for example somebody receiving a chemotherapy and it lasts for three four months I suggest just keep the same deconcentration so we we save the potential of ddw by the time then they finish the chemotherapy and then they finish the chemotherapy but the treatment will be continued changing the deconcensation and that way we can even cause additional regression or we can keep the patient in in remission uh so it is getting so complex when when I try to figure out or the aspect of the cancer therapy and I and I do hope that so that require a strong education of the oncology Society and I do hope that maybe some of them will read the book and then try to pick up what they can use up in their daily daily work yeah well definitely I mean that's that's um I guess that's one of the problems is that you know in in medicine these days they just they're you know we're very fixated like this is how you treat cancer this is how you treat diabetes this is how you treat all these different sorts of things and everyone's just very in inside the Box thinking unfortunately so it's just going to take a lot of yeah a lot of uh it's going to take a crowbar I think to open these things up yeah books yeah yeah but yeah and and the other of course I I know that without the Pharma industry we cannot proceed so without completing phase to clinical trial without being funding with a 10 million dollars we cannot proceed we have collected so much data and so many scientists I enjoy to enjoy to to do research with with deuterium uh the science has done what they had to done and and and and and the the business the Pharma industry should be involved to to proceed and and I hope one day they can recognize it yeah is it is there any any hope to to try to get someone to pick this up for you know Lord's scale of clinical trials for a pharmaceutical company every day for 30 days yeah yeah so 30 years yeah every day yeah I I I took part I take part on a big uh Pharma meetings I I request a meeting and then I talked to them and I try to challenging the investors uh uh right now we are waiting for the response for that but what we see that so 30 years ago it was an idea uh later we had a couple of paper published today we have a cancer drug for veterinary use we are using an injection formulation and testing for for breast cancer dogs we have completed clinical trials and always they need a little bit more right so even we have so much data we have approached so far from the beginning they they always ask okay we would like to see some more and this is it's very difficult to yeah I think that's the thing too is you say you know when is when is it enough you know you have you have all this data you know there's like I think that it certainly a proof of concept to to you know initiate a larger trial you know and and you know it's not like you know what like like uh Professor Seyfried uh gets frustrated because like you know there's no money in telling people to not eat carbs you know and that's and that's sort of what he's trying to say so there's there's not that you know Financial incentive behind it but but this has this has something behind it you know it's like they can make deuterium depleted water and put this out in a big uh you know in in a large and uh you know um worldwide fashion and that and so that's something that they can sell so there's you know there's a return on their investment for you know spending millions of dollars on clinical trials you would think that they might might be interested in that yeah yeah we have so so this is what I recognized 30 years ago that November support me and and funding and this is how our company age ID is triggering and and uh generating some revenue and investing all the money back to the research and clinical trials but at that stage of course we are waiting for for investors uh yeah it's it's not easy but yeah doing and then and then like you know government grants and things like that have you been able to like you know from like the different cancer societies and things like that have they been interested in this line of research so yeah you you should you you we believe that that should happen no yeah we are just applying at the European Union for for a couple of million euros uh and no it's hard to understand why why we are doing that and why is it so hard but I I do you know the story of the helicopter Australian scientists said that there is a connection between the users it took 12 years yeah and they were scientists they were MDS and they presented the data and one day somebody said okay there is connection between the Western and the presence of helicobacter and this is how it worked yeah we have to reach the critical mass and if we reach it within one day that will be accepted yeah it was it was funny too yeah I I do know that helicobacter uh story actually a hospital that I work at um that he was he was actually there at Royal Perth hospital and um so I do we cover trauma surgery that's the major trauma Hospital there and so um I saw actually a poster sort of with him talking about that I was like oh you know he's from here uh but yeah I always loved that story because you know everyone was saying no no no you got it all wrong and all these sorts of things it can't possibly be and he said all right screw it and he just drank like a bottle of this yeah and giving himself a bunch of because he was he was uh for people that I don't know he was proposing that um ulcers were actually caused by an infection helicobacter pylori infection and everyone else was saying no no no it's stress and things like that and they were they were doing fake Artemis and cutting the vagus nerve and to not secrete so much acid and and he's just like nope uh and and he just drank this stuff gave himself an infection and got ulcers and they went all right fair enough yeah but I've been in two weeks he was cured yeah yeah yeah yeah and then his protocol and then you know treated with antibiotics and and that was it and the ulcers went away yeah that was a great story yeah it's so then when we change we are going to change the Paradigm it takes lots of time yeah and I I had to accept it and yeah that's it how it works yeah absolutely and uh yeah and and it does just take time and and you're right you know like you know we're on we're outside of the box so people in the Box are scared to leave the box and uh and that's fine and we're and we're saying things that are new and that are different and so you know it you know it does uh you know the burden of proof does fall on us and that's just that's just something we have to to deal with which is fine you know that that's our job um and uh so I was going to ask you so what what are some ways that people can just people at home what can they do to sort of deplete deuterium we I guess you know going on a ketogenic diet increasing your your fats versus carbohydrates is one obviously drinking deuterium depleted water but is there are there other things uh that people can just do in their daily lives uh so there are I I so under you YouTuber different channels uh giving advice how people can prefer Duty in defeated water it doesn't work okay no no people can do it and believe it that it's it's a duty no so the process is called fractional distillation how we can can produce it and there is only 1.5 Celsius degrees difference between the boiling points of D2 and H2O so if someone took let's say 10 liter of water and start to boil it and collect the first one liter of water they can reduce it one PPM if they start to boil it the one liter they can take one deciliter and that will contains 148 PPM and that's it so no way or a facilities about 12 meter high or 30 meter high and the 100 times precipitate eliminate precipitate eliminated the Steam and at the end we can reduce 200 to 25 PPM or 30 PPM so this is the way the other this freezing the water I I saw that and I I I checked it and I do it according to the protocol he he recommended and and of course I could measure it and one two PPM people can can reduce it and even somebody published it in the paper that this is not the way to produce so they I recommend that people change the diet increase the fat and oil and all this intake reduce the carbohydrate intake reduce drastically sugar intake and and and drink a couple of uh uh Duty in depleted water so for healthy people I I recommend two protocols reuse with 10 15 PPM it means half liter a day due to diffuse water and the rest could be normal water and this is to optimize the Natural Bridge of the cells and if you want to reduce the the incidence of the cancer we recommend to to consume exclusively DW for three four months every year every second year every third year depending on on the risk factor so the older population over 56 years we I would recommend every year every second year for the younger population every three third year you can taking ddw for three four months 105 PPM or 1 25 PPM that should be cause a deep increase that should trigger the radicals in the small group of cells and that maybe you should eliminate those cells which may be four or five years later would be recognized as a cancer okay so that so that's the idea is that you you deplete the deuterium and normal healthy cells aren't going to be affected by this but the cells that aren't really working too well the mitochondria are a bit gummed up they're not going to be able to handle the the lower levels of deuterium they're not going to be able to bolster up their level and so they'll apoptos is that right yeah and so yeah really just yeah it's really just cleaning house on damaged sort of aberrant cells that you don't want anyway yeah we we are challenging all the cells when we reuse the D level the healthy cells handle it the bad cells those guys bad bad guys cannot handle it and that that is how we can targeting the cancer cells yeah that's that's sort of a same same idea that people you know go through ketosis or even go through fasting in order to you know trigger uh you know the the the autophagy and and you know having your body suck up these these little cells is that is that is that is is the fastest the same system so is fasting uh a part of that sort of deuterium depletion is that sort of how that that plays in yeah yeah so yeah so all the all the piece of the cell should adjust everything to the changing deconcentration and this is a big Challenge and and this is what the heresy sense can can regulate and and handle on an attack way but of course there has the cancer says very hardly working on to to be able to handle this this changing deconation and this is very important what is the dose for the different different type of the cancer so but there is a big difference in the adaptation ability of the healthy cells and cancer cells and this is what we have to use out and all the other ketogenic diet fasting finally it's required from the cells to react for that type of changes and and that way we can have the healthy cells and select the bad one okay great and is I don't know you may not have um any data on this but is there is there a difference in deuterine depletion from just eating a ketogenic diet versus actually just fasting as well or is it sort of the same just just from that that fat metabolism uh side of things uh we are just waiting for the paper to be to be accepted in that case we we made new team depleted X and from that X we use the York and we gave it to the mice study and and that food which was artificially depleted uh have the Hep demise to fight against the cancer so the the food independently I guess what is the origin of the of the gorgeous yeah so sorry we just just lost um yeah so you just got to the part where we were talking about the the mice eating the yolks uh the deuterium depleted which was do you think depleted and it has an impact on on on the two more goes I I guess but it is also important that the mess we can eat with food is is much smaller than drinking the water and it's it's clear that the we cannot ignore the water just because the volume that we are taking every day and and and finally the combination I guess it's it's a key issue okay and so would then I mean just obviously that I guess that's an argument for you know dry fasting you know just some of these guys that don't drink any water and don't eat any food obviously you can't do that forever is that is do you think that that would that would do any I mean I don't I don't fast myself and I don't I don't recommend it for people generally but it's just sort of trying to think of mechanisms here you know if you're if you're taking in food and water and this contains a certain amount of deuterium if you're just abstaining from that for a certain number of days and you're just oh and you're now you're just running on your fat stores and you're making metabolic water uh in the in the mitochondria which is you know deuterium depleted um is that going to sort of heighten that response is that going to speed up that deuterium depletion at all do you think that would I I I don't know what is the best volume to reduce the the water intake but I I'm sure I do not recommend to take so much water so I do not agree when the people say okay I drink three four liter per day because the two source of water the water that we drink and the water that we synthetized it means if somebody drink a three four liter normal water then they increase the average D level because they are so much water with 150 PPM combining with the 0.3 liter metabolic water so I would recommend 1.5 liter combining with the water the metabolic water that give an average if we double the water intake that will increase the average Day level so and I don't know how can we reduce the water intake I I never recommend not drinking water or drinking garlic a couple of deciliters I do not recommend it because I don't know where where is the option for that but the first thing of course we are utilizing the the fats after a while and of course that produce from 100 uh fat we synthesize over a hundred uh 108 grams of water but but we we do not we'll use up uh one kilogram fast to synthetize 1.1 liter water yeah yeah uh yeah well as I mentioned for me I I like drinking a lot of water I always feel good drinking a lot of water so I'm one of those guys that drinks like a gallon or two gallons a day especially when I'm working yeah [Laughter] um yeah you don't have to think about that like you know but that's something I mean even even just in athletics I've you know whenever I drink more water I did just feel better for my athletic performance I had more energy I had more uh you know sure and these sorts it's um things helped you know it um but uh yeah I mean I guess you have to sort of take everything in into consideration and certainly when you're you know especially if you're in in in a metabolic man healthy or uh you know facing cancer that's certainly something to uh you know very much keep in mind is that uh is that is that ratio um as well yeah yeah all right well very good um so so you have your book um and you can hold it hold that up for people that's a sort of deuterium depletion that just goes through uh the protocols and if people are interested in getting that obviously that that has everything that we've touched on here but obviously in great much greater detail and we'll give much more specifics uh so people can check that out and um and and you make deuterium depleted water yourself is that and that's and that's available for sale uh for people if they wanted to get that is that right yeah yeah even we have distributor in in Australia who was selling our prevent our water we have disabled her China United States and then hopefully more and more people producing and and using the product yeah definitely well it's very interesting I mean this is this is something that I've that I've heard um about in in the periphery but it wasn't something that I'd ever really uh been able to to Define much information on and so it was very interesting uh to speak with you today and that's uh it's fascinating uh stuff and and uh and just very very interesting how how much of a direct effect that just changing the concentrations of deuterium hydrogen in our bodies that this just this just changes so many processes in our body I think that's just absolutely fascinating so thank you very much for for coming on and explaining that to us thank you for inviting me yeah thank you it's a great for me and for I guess everybody if they hear about that story yeah no definitely and and where can people find you find your work uh and your uh and you're Watering your book yeah you can go to the research gate site or the papers which has been published or to the hyd.agu it's a company website we publish all the data and this is very important to to share the knowledge with other people yeah absolutely great and um we'll put the um link to your to your uh uh you know the term water and everything like that as well and any other other links to your uh to your work so great uh Dr Somali thank you so much for coming on it's been an absolute pleasure sir thank you thank you very much [Music] thank you