Can Deuterium Damage Your Metabolic Health and Mitochondria?

with Dr Anthony chafee where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnival bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products that will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10 off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25 hello everyone this is uh Dr Anthony and Chaffey I'm here with a very special guest Dr Laszlo borosh who is joining us all the way from Hungary um Dr boros thank you so much for for joining us and taking the time out to speak with me well thank you so much for the invitation it's uh it's an honor and uh thank you for your time to do in this interview yeah absolutely yeah um for people having come across your work can you tell us a bit about yourself and and what you do so um I'm a medical doctor I finished um my medical school in Hungary in 1987. shortly after I went to Germany and then to the US to pursue a research in science and teaching um the curriculum I started at the uh Ohio State University in Columbus Columbus Ohio where I stayed for eight years and in 1998 I joined the faculty of UCLA University of California Los Angeles Department of Pediatrics where I was researching teaching and some clinical work in the form of clinical trials serving the data analysis and the laboratory and analytical needs of those projects and then I became a full professor of Pediatrics in 2017 and um I retired UCLA in 2021 July and I came to Europe to teach due to genomics or deuterium chemistry using medical and diagnostic as well as therapeutic applications and I'm teaching now in Amsterdam in Hungary in Budapest a little bit in various other places and colleges and we do have collaboration with some other scientific areas for example cultural and and religious text Explorer scientific implications so it's it's more like a application of blue genomics in many many different fields but practically my training is in medicine and and medical biochemistry very good so um so you your main focus now is is deuterium research and teaching as I understand it and how did you come across this in the first place what made you interested in um you know the field of deuterium and how it affects our health um well as as you know and and I'm sure you've covered this in other conversations it's about deuterium is a rare yet very different eyes adult from hydrogenes of protons which actually move and kind of keep our body in a energy producing yet you know flexible and durable kind of uh characteristics so these two isotopes protons and neutrons or hydrogen or deuterium they have a major influence in many many biological processes and I was not um very soon actively research in this area until I met that together who wanted to clarify uh some of his research questions and we did a project back in 2003 2004 which we published I was here at UCLA at that time which been published in 2005 and 2006 and then it was uh practically a finish completed project with very interesting results but we never really explored the biochemical uh details or biochemical indications of those studies uh to the Toro or or the deepest extent we did discuss the data obviously but was not dead um fundamental as far as explaining mitochondrial functions until 2009 when I got a phone call from the National Cancer Institute from Dr Marshall Linehan who encountered they had a relatively young patient who had kidney cancer and only genetic or metabolic deficiency they could detect was a fumar rate higher days enzyme deficiency and that's where I actually realized that the water recycling system in mitochondria is a the breathing or did it's part of the deuterium depletion process or depletion process in our body and the mitochondrial Matrix produces the two degree of water from food and if this defect is permanent meaning that if this defect exists in patients and they may develop cancers that already rapid and biologically they behave in a very aggressive manner so then we started kind of unfolding this mitochondrial Matrix YouTube depletion scenarios and uh various proton transfer processes through nanomotors and proton pumps and that's where the the effect of the team became biochemically or medically very important simply because it can destroy these very delicate machines in our in our body in our system and we published a paper with labor actually talking about these mechanisms these enzyme reactions and the importance of 15 degrees of water and then um other people other investigators found the topic very interesting so they started their own studies their own investigations and they found out that actually the team is a very important isotope vote from how to deplete it or how to accumulated in certain body parts and now we are establishing or I have established a field which called deuteronomics that studies um nothing else but practically the effect of deuterium in relation with protons or hydrogen in our body and in biology in general and so we are now using these grown and grown body of studies and evidence that how the team has to uh be maintained let's put it this way in our body to preserve health and now we teach this at the right university university at private in Amsterdam which is a poor credit uh College course now so I'm I'm pretty much interested in Biochemistry in general the function of these very delicate proteins and the two has a very significant effect there and this is how I ended up very soon due to nomics to the full extent meaning that we do uh perform studies we do editorial work reviewers are instructed by me if I'm the editor of papers how to approach their clinical or scientific problems from the due to nomics perspective so it's it's quite a a new field yet it's grown and it's getting more and more important I'm very good well it's great that is growing I mean even even the fact that this has been on the radar uh you know mainstream radar since you know early 2000s is is uh quite good I mean it's something that I haven't really come across myself until I spoke with um you know some people that have had spoken with you and and uh cabover as well and but it's only very interesting to me I did my undergraduate degree in molecular and cellular biology and so it makes perfect sense you know when when you started looking at it it made it made a lot of abundant sense to me that this would be very influential um you mentioned you mentioned cancer and we should definitely get into that but are there other disease processes in the body that that can be affected by an abundance or depletion of deuterium yeah so I I think now and we believe now that all major disease processes epidemiological diseases or scales obesity diabetes neurodegenerative diseases cancer um and you name it they do team plays a role um now on the team level or did the team exposure of your body or your biochemical mechanisms that separate protons from deuterons uh they all play a role so after all when these biological systems are exceeded or exhausted because of the excess but them in our environment and various disease various symptoms may appear and depending on what organ or organ system is hit the most then you develop diseases according to those scenarios so practically it's almost like an inevitable way fundamental critical part of medicine or biochemistry used in the form of medical approaches or or therapeutic approaches so we believe that this deuteronomic story is just in the very early or very um I would say experimental stage with some far-reaching clinical applications but I I think after all our major disease processes are affected uh one way or another with deuterium bilateral loading our body I'm not sure if you know all the details yet we are working on to uncover all these mechanisms and to have doctors at the backside like yourself with some due to no mix knowledge and and basic principles that you can use in your therapies very good um I know that the the deuterium I would like to hear your thoughts on on uh and your knowledge on how it affects like mitochondria specifically because there's a lot of people that are now saying that a lot of these diseases are metabolic diseases that are stemming from damage to the mitochondria and I understand that that deuterium can play a role in damaging uh the effects of mitochondria is that correct that's right that's right so the mitochondria is where our water is produced uh metabolic water from fruit and oxygen and there are these very delicate nanomotors that spin anywhere from 10 000 to 100 000 rotations per minute and they transfer protons from the mitochondrial inner membrane or foreign mitochondria that these nanomotors set in and they transfer protons into the Matrix where oxygen is waiting and water is produced now the amount of water or the amount of protons that are transferred each day are are are really excessive meaning that we are talking about um about 1500 protons per second uh by these delicate nanomotors and when they are damaged when these uh delicate nanomotors are functionally or or structurally damaged by the twice as heavy and twice as large if you look in the nucleus of the deuteron um if they are damaged these nanomotors then somehow you encount well that's that compares to like a broken engine in your car and for from then on all sort of problems were developed around meaning that the TC cycle we slow down cells go into the metabolic state that we call the varborg metabolism and even in the presence of oxygen they are unable to produce uh carbon dioxide and water and ATP and um glycolysis becomes a more prominent simply because the mitochondria is not able to consume a broader glycolic products meaning that lactic acid is produced in excessive amounts that we know about tumor cells but it's also true of diabetes and obesity and this molecular crowding process takes place meaning that it's more like it's not only your engine is damaged but also your exhaust system is damaged meaning that you cannot really burn completely your fuels your food and it will deposit in your tissues in your cells in your liver fatty liver develops fat deposition start so after all if you look at anabolic disease processes that actually gain how you gain body mass or the weight is practically related to these broken nanomotors and broken nanomotor function of the mitochondria or broken mitochondria that means you cannot really bring your system into a carbon balance meaning that you can actually breathe out as much carbons as you consume in the form of carbon dioxide because that's what mitochondria do can we call it biological combustion or complete substrate oxidation practically the fate of food that we should be carbon dioxide water and energy ATP but we need impact nanomotors for this if those are broken because deuterium interferes with their actions then rotating functions then this metaphoric crowding process takes place that is hosts that will host a number of diseases and those are now appearing on epidemiological scale all around and that's practically at the bottom of the fundamental mechanism that that kind of underscores the importance of mitochondrial um integrity and functions in any living system so for that matter mitochondrial nanomotors and proton transfer and TCA cycle or Crap send your recycle functions are essential for our health so it's not only diseases but also how to maintain a a healthy kind of lifestyle that definitely will have implications that come down to how much the team will be consuming in food and water yeah and so how does this build up in our system like is it is it um certain things that that we eat our worst person deuterium standpoint are there certain things that we can do that better and deplete this down or how do we how do we manage that just on a daily basis yeah so um the gym has a Disposal system in our in our body it's it's to water but the water is produced in the cytoplasm instead of the mitochondria the glycolysis itself and that's the process we know the most actually I was at UCLA I gave a talk about utility bleeding function of glycolysis by exchanging due to tune that kind of tried to use glucose and and other carbohydrates estrogen horses to kind of take the team down to the mitochondria glycolysis would exchange each and every carbon housing hydrogens or potential detail with uh cytoplasmic Waters hydrogen we call them proton exchange reactions that's why glycolysis is so complicated or it looks complicated that's just very simple because it's just a proton due to an exchange set of reactions but it has about 10 reactions and a glucose molecule would have 12 hydrogens so they each have to be checked and have to be removed in exchange with several water that has less likelihood of having a deuterium in the cytoplasm especially if it comes from the mitochondrial Matrix that water cellular water so it's practically a glycolysis based utum Scavenging mechanism the team ends up in water and cytoplasmic water can leave to the interstitial interstitial water that circulation and kidney and urine can be the disposal mechanism how you get rid of detail and when these systems are exceeded or overloaded or exhausted these uh glycolysis glycosis related reactions then mitochondria slowly is making it down to your DGM is slowly making it down to your mitochondria and start damaging nanomotive so and When that hap and it comes with age and depends on how much to team loaded food you have consumed in your life so practically in younger ages lithium gets deposited in genetic tissues because we need deuterium certain amounts for collagen and Bone strength and so on so our body our biochemistry has this kind of um kind of sorting out or separating or discriminating these two isotopes these two hydrogen Isotopes one is because the team is is important for hydroxyploine and protein um amino acid Bonds in collagen so that provides your bone strength and there's a very interesting study out from the current Sky Institute by Dr Roman zubarab who showed that actually gray SEALS cartilages or or connective tissue collagen and specifically to amino acids protein and hydroxyproline can have over twice or even almost three times after the tube that is in the environment we don't know yet the all the mechanisms that let the gym do separating our body and heart accumulating interconnective tissues and this is a phenotype related phenomenon but practically moving parts and these are structural proteins so as long as when if you imagine like building a house for the malls you need very solid blocks for your exercise in the house you need flexible devices so or you know faucets and and so on so um wherever we are in the body and we talk about nanomotors and proton pumps and so on you cannot fit the team in those systems if we talk about connective tissues especially in challenging environments for example in CEOs who have to dive 200 meters 300 meters and they are trying to escape from killer whales and white sharks while they are feeding their life is not easy for them so in their bones in their Collective tissues they have to pile up some um deuterium that is actually have stronger chemical bonds with the surroundings so uh for structural proteins deuterium is required for delicate uh rotating proteins YouTube has to be excluded those are proton based operations so when these systems that separate the two ions or two isotopes of protons are exhausted overwhelmed diminished or damaged or there's just too much lithium coming into the system then the team starts making its way into these rotating delicate energy producing and you know very disorder functions you know are related with these nanomotor functions these proton functions this is how we generate energy for that matter and in metabolic water so simply when this occurs then then you're not able to sort out these two isotopes very efficiently so you start encountering some cellular damage and that's when Disease start developing first you experience some like not Optimal Health situations or obesity in some ways or diabetes or some other um neurodegenerative diseases or symptoms of those and over time they are becoming more and more prominent with prominent symptoms and we believe that those are all related to the gym in your environment in your food in your drinks and mechanisms that are actually separating these two isotopes and that's why we have certain approaches to deplete the team so your body can sort it out and uh for that matter this new genomics and they're terribly arm of this uh approach seems very critical to provide better Medical Practice yeah very good and then so what are the biological effects on on a cell that uh with deuterium on the cell that can perpetuate or maybe even cause but certainly further uh the proliferation of cells and and cancer so the DNA itself um which we know is a very critical part of the cell division process as a signal as DNA grows in the cells um and the nucleus of of our cells would split then the cell proliferation process is enhanced yet tumor cells do this continuously and we do know that the Hallmark of the most important sign or descriptor of to Mercedes and employee meaning that there's more DNA there are more chromosomes there are abnormalities there are they are changing shape and form and numbers and that's a continuous growth signal now this can be um and this is induced by Duty in uh DNA bonds because had DNA is biotis is DNA has a sugar backbone uh which is called deoxyribose this is why it's called deoxyribose based uh nuclear nucleic acid that's DNA and this deoxyribose in specific carbon positions can acquire the team and these regime bonds cannot be broken they cannot be used by they cannot be broken by DNA repair enzyme and so on so it seems like in the presence of accents deuterium your DNA start growing in your DNA and your chromosomes start growing in numbers meaning that you produce more DNA for that matter you produce more chromosomes and for that matter you you start a a continuous um uh sad growth or division cycle meaning that these cells will divide in an unlimited unlimited fashion and this is what cancer is these are cells that we cannot stop them from proliferating and this is because their DNA is modified the chemical structure of their DNA is modified by deuterium so if you encounter a DTM in the third or the fifth carbon position of this sugar backbone of DNA those bonds will be two and a half times harder to break meaning that your DNA is going to be more sticky it cannot be split it cannot be repaired it cannot be cut out it there's a number of problems that that you have to face after your DNA is accumulating in after the gym is accumulating in your DNA so we believe that the continuous several signal in the presence of titium is because it modifies the nature and the behavior of DNA and the amount of DNA that we have in these cells and the bottom line is to deplete determine those cells and that has been shown by and many other investigators that is a very efficient way of treating cancer especially special especially certain kinds of cancer but it's it's a DNA chemical mismatch between um proton Bonds in DNA in the sugar and morality and the detail chemical behavior in these molecules and that's why DNA piles up into your cells and they have a unlimited division pattern from so practically it's a underlying biochemical mechanism to make to grow the amount of va your cells and became undifferentiated and Cancers yes yeah and I suppose like you mentioned Otto Warburg previously you know he you know obviously was um you know you're publishing I think it's 1956 his paper discussing the origin of cancer and he was he was arguing that this had a lot to do with dysfunction in oxidative phosphorylation in the mitochondria as well and it sounds like the deuterium could also affect that and damage the mod is obviously damage the mitochondria damages cellular function in that regard as well is that correct well he did a very interesting experiment I I'm have you read his original papers or his original work a long time ago but yeah a long time ago yeah so um what he did he actually implanted tumors in the muscles of dogs and one side was a gastric name is and once I was intact the other one had a tumor house and he was measuring lactic acid after after the outflow blood of the muscles and the muscles that had um tumors they did produce a lot more lactic acid than their normal muscle and it was in the same host animal meaning that the influx or the the blood supply was the same to both uh tissue so he concluded that and this this is pretty much what he was saying that he said into your cells the product of glucose metabolism is lactic acid and this is what we even in the presence of oxygen meaning that the the dogs were oxygenated meaning that there was no difference in oxygen level between the muscles that he measured lactate in so practically he first detected this metabolic or metamolite crowding that we we recovered in a minute meaning that um he could show that and we are talking about eight ten times malactic acid so it's not a marginal change these are very robust changes when you look at doing ourselves he did not know that much about mitochondria back then in the late 20s or early 20s and I think he got the Nobel Prize sometimes in the early 40s like 31 or something like that or 31 or early 30s so at that time they did not know much about proton transfer mitochondria but then as we learned more about the system the the lactic acid that he observed and he measured in those muscles that holds the tumor sounds were coming from pyruvic acid pyruvic acid is the substrate for mitochondrial complete substrate oxidation so when paramic acid is not broken down into mitochondria then it is expanded from the cells in the form of lactic acid and this is what he observed and it's a very um I would say from it's the most fundamental home of cancer I know there is not new genomic hormones of cancer which really don't hold I don't think this um this uh new wave of genomics explained much about tumor cells but this network scenarios they are very critical very important now obviously even pyruvate has to be disposed in the form of lactic acid that means the mitochondria is not able to accept pyruvic acid to harvest protons and to produce metallic water using these nanomotor functions so those nanomotors are broke from then on your pyruvate is pounding up from then on your lactate is produced and glycolysis is the only source of energy in your cells and this is this is what we call viral metabolism Barbara when you talk about wardrobe is what we should really fundamental and very critical to understand tumor sabotabism his observation and this is what he said the fate of glucose into your cells is lactic acid even in the presence of oxygen and then when oxidative phosphorylation was discovered then when the TC craps renewali cycle was discovered those who are not discovered until like the 40s I think can't scraps he cuts his normal price in 41 or 42. other senior you got his Nobel Prize in 1937 and February 800 tastes this enzyme which we talked about talked about uh deficiency is mentioned in Albertsons so the academic houses of frame rate is actually one of the reasons why he got the Nobel Prize so when when these mitochondrial nanomotors stop working then by the way to the pile up and the only way of getting rid of heart rate is practically to resect it from the cells lactobi hydrogen is a very low coefficient metabolic control coefficient enzymes I'm just using this biochemical terms so you can actually look up these details or your your audience can I try to cover this mode from the lame and also from the biochemist perspective so you guys can kind of dig in further but practically um what happens here is nanomotor functions are critical for mitochondrial functions if those are stock blocked in metabolic crowding or metabolic crowding occurs and uh the the product of glycosis lactic acid that's what marble observed and then when we discovered more parts or previous events describe more parts of the system than we could link the barbell metabolism with various various other mitochondrial functions and it's correct you you said it right it's a mitochondrial damage um and oxidative phosphorylation is is the way we produce ATP or biological energy and water in our system due to depleted methodical chromates exploring the mitochondria if this system falls apart then then cancer is almost in an inevitable at some point it really depends on how much the team you're exposed to what other factors that are playing the role but it's after all this is a very fundamental biochemical scenario that we have to kind of how about simply by depleting deuterium and try to repair those failing nanomotors and and your system your mitochondria to catch up but practically that's that's the verbal metabolism how critical it is it's true of other diseases there are some other biochemical reaction the single carbon Cycles which are I don't want to cover it here because it's too detailed but it's they all accumulate the team in your system so medioviral metabolism nor the single carbon same oxidation none of neither nor they they actually accumulate detail above the biological threshold and from then on cancer definitely is one of the diseases that may develop yeah absolutely um yeah it's very interesting I I was speaking to um to Gabor you're talking about like being in ketosis this this uh you know makes you you use uh you know ketones and fat and and makes metabolic water and low deuterium water or no deuterium water and and this helps bring your own deuterium levels down as opposed to eating carbohydrates which can raise your uh deuterium levels up is that correct that's right that's right then uh um yeah that's that's a very interesting and very important point that um fat or Ketone bodies in nature and it's true of of our living species they can only produce fatty acids from metabolic Matrix water that's why it's depleted because uh dinovo fatty acid synthesis take place through an enzyme called fatty acid synthase which is a cytoplasmic enzyme it's a large enzyme complex but the substrate for this Melania coins I'm a which is the source of all fatty acids on this planet produced in biological systems have to come from citrate or citric acid and citrate is a mitochondrial DC cycle metabolite so citrate shuttle if you call recall biochemistry lectures back in college the citric citrate struggle and the citric acid Shadow is practical to take loaded GMC trade out of the mitochondria into the cytoplasma so actually fatty acid symptoms can be used for new fatty acid synthesis this is why every fatty acid produced in natural environments especially in grass-fed animals are the team depleted because they come from from mitochondria the Water Source they are the first reaction of the TC cycle vitamin the carbon dehydrogenase is practically a water consuming process in the mitochondria and it uses only to two degree the water could in under optimal conditions so that's why ketones or fat the products of fatty acid beta oxidation or Ketone bodies are actually low in deuterium and when you actually be oxidize when you oxidize them back into metabolic water and carbon dioxide will provide the team depleted water and I like the fact that he said or know the team at all in mitochondria this is what we believe is that mitochondria should be without the team whatsoever so my Carlos says um and other mechanism and water exchange reactions in the TCA cycle they should deplete the team almost and the urea cycle they should degrade the team in mitochondria down to practically zero or negligible and uh but in other body parts may accumulate so again as tissues differentiate if you look at cart switch tissue collagen those are different in appearance they are different in strength and and the addition in biological necessity and behavior so practically when we um talk about the mitochondria as the fundamental source of Health and zero deuterium level in mitochondria achieved through limiting determine take and letting the body to sort out and providing citrate that is longitudium for your adenovo fatty acid synthesis or you consume a diet which is a carnivore diet using low-dodium grass-fed animal proteins and fat for that matter because we eat fatty meat meaning that we also eat some proteins with this but again the the mixture the optimal amount of if we are concerned about food and and what we drink well we usually don't recommend I don't recommend or I don't drink I I don't make medical recommendations because I don't do clinical work but um for my own biochemical kind of state of approach I I wait till I'm thirsty and I drink just as much as necessary do I haven't had any water in the last four days you believe it or not interested yeah that is interesting I eat Fat Joe no I ate fat I had a big very Hungarian sausage last night and I just cooked some mangalitza that's a Hungary and pork fat with and I just put it in a jar and if I'm burst I just it's salty too I just kind of take a spoonful I do drink when I'm thirsty I do some physical work and I wait 10 minutes if I'm still thirsty I drink some detunibly the water to kill my tears but I let my body to recycle its own the team depleted uh water I left my antidiuretic Coleman ADH to kick in and and reabsorb water in my in my kidney had done those two balls and uh so for that I think the best way to approach is to to listen to your body and the signals that come from your body and eat what is naturally low in the dream and it's it's it's in your natural um physiology and biochemistry how you can consume how you can eat how you can digest and absorb animal products I'm a carnivore meaning that I I prefer I weigh a little greens here and there but mostly I eat meat especially behind parts of animals so the fat part the neck the the child you know the all these ribs um kind of meat sources I don't prefer like you know these uh um Sterling space high protein content I I eat the fat part very part a lot of awakens and so on and we get our meat from grass-fed animal Source we go to France who actually treat their animals and they take every year in a blood sample so the animals don't need to be injected with any kind of material in hunger you can actually grow animals or or or have animals around that are you know grass-fed and very healthy for that matter and and I try to we try to get the food source from higher altitudes where the gym is lower in general as North as possible where the team is low so we have our tracks you guys once you become a deuteronomous system once you kind of learn about this isotope then it becomes almost like part of your everyday thinking like how much money you have so it's you know it's or is there gas in the car so it's you know it's like it's it's that kind of a really interesting you know scenario but it's it's fun I I have to tell you I really enjoy thinking about it hopefully understanding it better and talking about this with others because it's just so interesting it is yeah well I didn't know that you were carnivore I figured you were probably keto but I've been doing Carnival for for a long time and I haven't I haven't had a a vegetable in half a decade and uh I don't plan to and uh but that's um I am keto in the sense that um I I measure occasionally my my Ketone levels and the way I like it is usually three millimo per year or higher and that's where I am sometimes it's it's it's even higher or much higher but I don't mind um I I like my glucose to be on the low side um three millimo per liter is enough for me but I have to have keto money so I I do um I am in ketosis but I achieved this through um eating a mixed diet and doing 30 push-ups and walking the dog eight ten kilometers a day I mean it's I do my exercise also to have my body to burn sugar as fast as possible if there's any and there is because our our liver um produces glucose from glycerol that is in fat so we don't need glucose we don't need sugar we don't need to eat carbohydrates uh whatever is in meat and and and whatever is in fat um that's enough for us and from then on I'm kind of usually the example that I'm bringing up when it comes I'm 60 years old now and I'm two years heavier than I was in high school so I I think that is very unusual these days um I can still put on my my uh dress my and you're the same I'm happy to see like how fat you are so I'm sure you can do the same but practically this is the payoff about yeah definitely and um you know just on the uh on the I was just thinking about a study I read uh years ago looking at mitochondria and and being in ketosis it was looking at that and it found that people who were in ketosis that actually increased the number of mitochondria as compared to others and and they were they were more effective so they found that they were around four times as plentiful so I had four times as many mitochondria and there were four times as as effective and I think that that [Music] um ties in very very well with that you know if you're having lower deuterium State lowered and being in ketosis having lower uh amounts of deuterium to gum up the works and damage the mitochondria so it can't uh you know go through oxidative phosphorylation properly and damages them to the point that they they just die off as well I think that that ties in uh perfectly yeah and and makes a lot of sense from from the biochemistry point of view simply because you can only metabolize Ketone bodies and at eco mode or or sap brandtime a or free fatty acid chains you can only metabolize them in mitochondria there is a quantity in transport system that shoots these fatty acid right into the mitochondria into the Matrix and that's where you actually break him down to beta oxidation and this is why you they don't have to be checked for the deal just like glucose has to be checked predicting through glycolysis glycosis is a different process it doesn't need mitochondria you can still produce lactic acid from pyruvic acid with a very sluggish energy production scenario but actually if you are in ketosis if you only have Ketone bunny or mostly the source of energy is Ketone but it's then you have to supply mitochondria so it triggers mitochondrial filtration it actually increases the efficacy of mitochondrial functions in our terms and three well usually our liver cells have to three thousand mitochondria under normal conditions and uh if you look at obesity if you if you look at the steer doses if you look at histological slides and you can see almost like mitochondria are disappearing from these tissues simply because they are not needed that is stored and mostly glycolysis is responsible for energy production it might have come be a dismantle there is this process called the ubiquination when you do deuterate a protein they get labeled big ubiquitous and then it will be broken down meaning that it's more like the junkyard of our of mitochondria become junkyards of our of our damage a mitochondrial nanomotor proteins and that's not the required metabolic state uh our required method work today would be to use mitochondria and the optimal fuel for them is um Ketone bodies and this is by fasting religious fasting is the dry sauna this is why uh so many lifestyle exercise connected in link with you know with some other activities that have been with Humanity for hundreds and thousands and I would say uh thousands and thousands of years simply because those serve our health to maintaining these mitochondrial functions one way or another and this is why in all scriptures you can actually see um fasting as part of okay important religious and heart preserving uh mechanism and and religious practices to preserve have all major uh tax all major attacks and books campaign instructions how to fast and what to eat certain times this is why we sleep eight hours or seven hours at night to get into ketosis this is how we are born on this planet if you measure a baby's beta hydroxibility levels those are much higher than in the general population do you wake up in the morning after burning of oil glucose and you start breaking down fatty acids that's when you wake up with low detune levels and you should maintain that metabolic State this is why it's restored by every morning after sleep people don't usually do this I do because I just have maybe a coffee and then I just move on and if I get thirsty in the meantime I just get my little spoon thingy with the fat and if I I'm hungry I eat maybe a piece of some bacon or something or and at night or in the evening and usually later after eight eight thirty I wouldn't eat a big fattest nice with lots of butter on top of it yeah nice that's how you speak my language there like I should I should show you my fridge sometime it's it's uh people people get appalled by it or or very impressed it's just like it's just like a you know butcher shop you know it's just there's only meat there's nothing else in there and like butter like stack of butter and just just bodies I just stacked up and I I I'm I'm not saying I'm very hungry and I'm not saying I'm grateful but I I kind of I'm in a comfortable this is kind of serves my Buddy's needs I don't think I need anything else I'm not speaking for others but you know to me this is the comfort zone I need to know where the animal is from I need to know what the animal was eating because unfortunately all the farm raised or industry kind of raised meat sources or products or unknown source we don't know anything those cows there were animals were sick that's why they were you know sacrificed at the age of five one of our friends um he actually uh grazes his cows are grass fan and the oldest cow he had is I think he's still alive it's uh the cow it's not a boat 34 years old oh wow at 17 at 17 uh caps well if you look at the industrial setting they die at the age of five they have to sacrifice them and they maybe have two or three out uh caps oh wow so so there's a major difference between the health status of grass-fed animals and those are there are raised in Parts under industrial environment so yeah I just want to you know have a food source I don't have to eat a lot but when I eat you know I I just eat a a piece of steak like everybody else would eat with very little if um with very little greens occasionally it's more like I have to have a taste for it you know your body can tell you if you need a like a piece of tomato or you want a little like home grown peppers and stuff you know just it has to be spicy it has to have the appropriate capsizing content you know it's just I just want to stay in touch with nature okay yeah I grow my stuff in the backyard you know sometimes it gets run but at least I grow my own stuff I know where it's coming from and I'm not the best Gardener but it gives you a little bit of exercise this weekend I'm gonna do the day I think and I just I'm just happy to kind of hang around trees and look at those plants and you know just you know pet the doggy occasionally and I haven't been to you I have I haven't bought meat from department stores for 40 years now I don't even know where the what kind of my mom buys sometimes uh meat from stores and I can't add a difference immediately and she can do because sometimes um I want her to try even raw meat or I'm not sure if she likes everything that I do and obviously she doesn't have to but at least she can found a difference between meat sources and food sources so it's practically generations and knowledge and and science kind of in the home environment but it tastes good this is what we eat and I'm happy I I still like right rather I would say I can see it in my push-ups and walk again all the physical work and exercise that I'm planning to do I'm still able to do it I'm over 60 now and I'm still happy to develop and learn and study and research more teach it that's nice oh that's great and um yeah I mean maybe you're talking about you know getting like you know cows from up in in altitude and up north because you'll get less deuterium so I guess like the the idea would be like a grass-fed like you know highland cow up in the hills of Scotland or something like that and get those those shipped down is that what what is well uh well I hear your thoughts on that but but I was also wanted to know what um so you could tell us a little bit about why that is like what's the difference between deuterium levels in different areas of the world yeah we do uh we do have uh studies at the right University uh completed sometimes ago and we are writing papers about this if you actually get me up from grass-fed cows um The General I would say the mere detune content would be in there we'll talk about the whole milk would be in the Honda 34 BPM range if you do this from a cow which is fundraised it's going to be 146 BPM so there is a signal and and this is also true of of plans coming from fertilizers artificial environments or natural environments there are significant actually we did write papers about this regard War back in life I think it was 2014-15 when we were looking at these scenarios but for example capsizing if it comes from a uh artificial Garden or or glass house fertilizer GMO kind of experience then they can have handy Duty some PPM in their capsizing content if it's a home-grown paprika that's 95 PPM so the capsization so it's it's uh and there's a French team who carried out on research on this Dr Dr Robbins and there are stunning and there are significant differences into your content when you look at food now Gabor is publishing a paper when now he lists uh food sources with detune content and it's in preview I I think it's it's on the review but he I I covered this previously based on the data he generated in my talks and now he's also giving a list of detail uh approved listed food with YouTube content so you can actually pick your you can actually check what what your food may have and you don't look at food as like hot taste it is I look at food as how much the team there is when I actually oxidize it back to water what kind of water I'm getting out of it that's that's how simple it is I just you know you it doesn't have to be too complicated there are very simple scenarios just when you pull into the gas station depending on like what kind of car you drive is if it's a diesel or if it's a gasoline then you pick the right pump you know you you don't start pumping like oh that's composer or maybe try diesel this time I mean we don't do that and I don't do this with my food either I'm not eating cookies just because let's say like that would be better today it's not good ever it's really not your food it's just practically just um have to decide or have to know what to put in your body and how to keep your body and handling situations you know a little fasting here and there um fasting during the day um is is a good idea I think it unless I'm very hungry where I was doing some physical exercise then I'll read something in in between but I usually eat at night bigger meals and um I do fasting occasionally depending on what kind of religious times we are in and sometimes I donate two or three days uh depending on how I feel about my YouTube content or what I've been eating uh before or what because when you travel for example when you when you don't know exactly what they put on the table then you know you don't want to kind of be unpolite so you take a few bites but then you kind of have to correct for those measures simply because you don't know the social May fast for a few days and it feels better and this is how I do my sleep patterns I go to sleep around 11ish and I wake up at seven you know 637 meaning that it's a very um kind of standard pattern I do a ketone body measurement occasionally and I like that to be on the higher range and then I just kind of just go after my feelings and my my nanomotors kind of feel of how we operate I check how fast my uh nails are growing and I also let the mosquito land on my skin because usually they don't see me meaning that they don't they they want their teeth so it's funny just to see the the mosquito on your skin and it's just kind of wandering around um and it would never bite you because they don't see you it's like they think like they landed in a tree trunk or something and sometimes I do this with dicks because the doggy my dog gets ticks and I just let him I just I just wonder how like how they behave and they just wander around like they don't see my blood simply because it's too low in Duty and for them it's not food so so and I I checked my nails how fast they grow my hair I mean there's a lot of high sleep High you know this you can learn this by experience it's it's it's it's it's it's really an interesting new type of I taste water I'm a few team now I can tell by taste it cannot be carbonated but uh you can learn again how to chemically how to sensitium and in fact there's scientific studies out there showing that the water the digital content of your water would have different action potential in your in your taste buds in your in your oral cavity so in your mouth so we we do sensitive to you tomorrow we just forgot how it takes it's a little bit sweeter and I just really learned it how it tastes we went to China with one of my older colleagues and we asked the Chinese did you deplete a water making company that behind us that we don't know exactly what we mixed makes their 25 PPM water with various amounts of tap water it cannot be heated cannot be carbonated cannot be uh um uh flavored and we just told them just give us the glass and we tell you like what did you in contact their mind and we were right hundred percent nice or main topics in the dry University the eutronomics course is we have very prominent uh presenters and lecturers in that course for example Juliet clintonman she is she was the dean of Berkeley uh science uh she studied detail and proton tunneling effects in biochemical and chemical reactions I'm not gonna go in details because that's part of the lectures we have uh Stephanie center from the MIT she's very interested in due to genomics and do team research and uh various other lecturers from Canada United States from Europe from South Africa who actually uh delivered very interesting talks after like Decades of Duty and proton panel research and this is where it comes together in this in these medical applications or how you can taste and hike and learn how to detect beauty of in your body without very complicated or complex measures and it's it's fun to watch a mosquito as a DNC or blood it's just I'm just laughing at it you know and I can sit and Hunt summer night when the mosquitoes are coming I'm good [Laughter] that's great um and you were mentioning too that like when you get when you maybe get a little bit thirsty you end up exercising and that's uh which means you know you're running through more ketones through your your mitochondria and actually making more molecular water is that right like how much molecular water can we actually make um just at rest or then and then with exercise like how does that how much do we get yeah so so one kilogram of fat produces 1.1 kilograms of water meaning that if you carbohydrates produce only half of that so practically when you look at fat you need to look at look at it like water actually this is how it looks if you heat it up but it's a different chemical bond because in fat hydrogens are carried by carbons in water hydrogen is carried by oxygen it's only the host atom that hosts hydrogen is different but the role of hydrogen is the same if it's in water or if it's in in uh in fat uh if the hydrogen is in water then photosynthesis will break that and oxygen is released and the protons are attached to carbon dioxide this is how fat is produced to make organic molecules when it's when hydrogen is attached to carbons when you eat them and your mitochondria will oxidize them back into water and this carbon dioxide is released so it's practically a a kind of a circular process of a ping pong game with protons and is just practically dependent on what side of the table is that pimple is it a water or is it a carbon but you always Harvest uh protons for your biological and for your energy producing purposes now if the tune gets into this system that changes the game because it's a heavy ball it doesn't bounces back from the table it's like trying to play ping pong with a medicine ball it's not going to happen or like a soccer ball it's they have a different kind of field a different Dynamics the buzzles of determines what kind of ball game you can play it's not how many players if not how big of the stadium if you are you know and you played rugby is that right you're a professional rather play yeah if you if they throw a soccer ball into your rugby for you know yeah and this is what my attorney does with dtl like what is this what can I do with this practically because mitochondria are designed for proton harvesting and and proton based energy production systems and the amount of protons they process it's about seven cubic meter of water a day or equivalent protons it's like a small swimming that we wrote that we transfer each day so it's it's um uh one time um actually I went to the we went to the Danube River and we looked at how much water you produce through during your lifetime and we were standing at the New River which is the second largest river in Europe and uh you have to stand there for almost two minutes to see them out of water that flows down as a human being would produce um in a lifetime and you have to stand there it's it's I think it's about um it was at that time it was 3500 liters the discharge of of the general river that day was 3 500 liters per second so it's a large amount of water definitely a large amount of protons and I think our estimation like the way we estimated we could be more kind of on the high side it's more of a conservative kind of estimation but with proton transfer is very significant transferred protons is what makes you alive that's about light yes transferring protons and attaching them to oxygen or carbons and praying ping pong with these protons that's what life is and YouTube has a certain role in the system but it has to be limited it has to be theater it has to be discriminated it has to be used for the right purpose in the right tissues and the right organs and the right proteins and then you are able to to build a structure of a fit yet flexible and energy producing system just like a human body I'm not saying this we are machines I'm saying we are creatures created for that purpose to produce this water and I think this is what we can follow as the basic principle behind life uh to add scriptures throughout letters throughout ancient writings and through science as we discover more and more facts about our bodies nice and then um you also mentioned saunas so going to sauna that can help you deplete uh deuterium as well is that right yeah so by sweating you deeply determ by exhaling um your metabolic water or sweating and that means you get rid of water liquids and fruit and salt and fasting or or or a diet that is high in in fat and low in carbohydrates those will not give you this feeling of kind of like you know I ate so much I can think of eating any any more that's practically not what like fatty food would do because it produces water so quickly so fast that you you are you're reaching a a comfort zone very quickly because your body can sense that you're you are producing professionally between depleted water and this is the required State and you have enough Ketone bodies as fuels and substrates to produce that water you don't need carbons those are gone in the form of carbon dioxide you breathe them out you don't need water on this you cannot produce enough water meaning that you don't have enough keto products you don't have enough proton source so that's that's what Comfort or the Comfort minimum is for that but our our systems our body is designed to to actually to short food shortages they are biochemical systems are energy producing systems cannot really handle too high of um like um energy sources meaning that if you would get the amount of energy that is in a hamburger in an IV for you know how as you work in in the ICU you know how careful they drop those uh artificial transplant or nutrition when it takes place you know how delicate they have to kind of provide energy into the system because when absorption is not controlling the amount of energy that comes in in the form of substrates and they can cure you and uh and I I heard a very interesting talks from Dr Diamond that UCLA who described the situation that they actually have um our body our biochemical systems have the lowest biological threshold meaning that your bones can hand in your bone skin kind of carry three four times of your body weight you have to jump you have to run but in metabolism if you overload the energy intake or demand that you need if you overload just by one percent or a longer period of time you're going to be obese because your energy your mitochondria your oxygen supplies are designed for Optimum energy intake and everything else will cause will cause uh crowding metabolic or metabolic crowding and it will have over time I'm not talking about overnight I'm talking about over time but you have to you have to be very careful of how much you eat and what you eat because simply your system cannot handle overexpectively the way I usually repair my students to to have a to to eating uh like um and a large big ice cream with all those added sugars and all those added fructose and all these sweet stuff it's practically jumping into a swimming pool without knowing how to swim because your body doesn't know what to do with orange juice and uh and truthfully if you overload metabolism is not a biological system that can be overloaded or longer periods of time your bones your muscles yes they are designed for you know extreme challenges but your metabolism usually in nature food is in short it's not necessarily um a little in amount is practically the desire or the metabolic regular regulatory processes would not allow you to over it and this is and even when you eat it takes hours and hours and hours to kind of tweet out to separate all the ingredients and absorb what you need your microbiome will break down most of it uh plant eating herbivores they have to regurgitate and digest it again and again and so it's a whole day process practically after consuming a certain amount of food so I just kind of do it once a day I'll let my body to run its course and I don't want to overload the system seem to be because it's very dangerous after Wards it's interesting too that's that's pretty uh impressive you haven't you haven't drank water in four days um I've uh I've sort of tried those water fasts a couple times and I was just and I got like a day and a half into it and I was just like nope I want water I'm like used to drinking a lot of water just just from you know my previous life in athletics I would always drink just a ton of water and um I'm always interested in that as well keeping that did you uh did you eat fat but when you got thirsty did you try a spoonful of yeah no I haven't tried that yet but I I will yeah I'm interested to try it so what I do is just I I I just get a spoonful of fat that I just get in onto my buck you know in my I don't eat it at once I just let it melt and I just let it drip in my mouth and I'll just drink it at the concert okay it tastes like water practically practically yeah yeah and this practically water and the amount if you look at like uh a gram of fat will produce you 1.1 Point gram of water meaning that again if you're thirsty and if it's not hand then you drink a glass of water I'm not saying don't drink water if you are thirsty if you've been exercising if you need water and your anti-diuretic Ada system cannot preserve more water than you have to drink water yes indeed no question about it if I was running maybe like a half marathon I would be drinking a lot of water too simply because I spread it out and I would be thirsty that no fat would take care of it so in that scenario but you can actually start kind of playing with it a little bit and after all you can actually maybe just measure an ADH level it's usually less than 0.5 in most of the cases that I heard of it should be a lot higher than that so this there's ways to go yeah and then um and I remember you I saw a talk that you uh gave you mentioned something about um deuterium affecting I think it was a study from Oxford talking about deuterium affecting serotonin levels and and potentially being implicated in depression as well is that right yeah so we believe that in the central nerves in neuroscience uh because [Music] um Neuroscience they have to consume at least 25 glucose simply because of its antibiotic or anaperotic role there's a lot of neurotransmitters that are produced from tcycle metabolites so that that because in Ketone bodies as a different enzyme a which is a two carbon molecule which comes from fatty acids they are lost in the first round because of the two carbon dioxide releasing reactions in glucose or from glucose you can actually generate oxaloacetate that can replenish the cycle so brain cells do you need um glucose and for that matter they are exposed to deuterium at higher level as as compared to other tissues now the way Neuroscience kind of protect their DNA from becoming cancerous or becoming tumor cells is they lose the ability to transcribe DNA so they they cannot divide even though they have mosaicism they have a lot more DNA in the cells than the than a normal cell would they cannot divide because they lost their ability they cannot copy a template and red blood cells do it differently they don't have mitochondria so they lose their DNA they lose their template so our body already figured out how to live with the deal yet you either lose the ability to copy DNA or you lose the template itself which is red blood cells and um when you talk about these scenarios in brain cells especially and this is what relates to that paper if you look at the gym amount of drinking water and in the paper there's a map of the United States with the gym content in drinking water all and also the the more bad morbidity related to or disease frequencies in you know psychological psychological disease like anxiety depression and so on so you can actually see that correlation between those neurological psychiatric diseases and the nutrient content in drinking water which is also very interesting because that's how they match up with cancer for example this is how they match up with obesity for example and uh personally I don't think serotonin has such a a major role because in the meantime serotonin Sports now discredited as the major driver behind uh um um anxiety or or depression for that matter because usually they come in by four or scenarios usually depressed people sometimes they swing into the um to do the opposite all of the spectrum but practically that is what they believed could be the the role of the DM in the central nerve system to regulate serotonin levels but I think after all this is just practically a High Duty or mitochondrial function related issue and certain brain areas affected the Qdoba depression I don't think about serotonin changes but I I don't think that's the single or the only causing it or causation on in this process there's many other details that could be kind of uh clarified through research and science but I I I do believe that it's a very good paper very interesting and very once from the Oxford University and I did cited in my talks but but but practically do DM damages your body based on the organ specific or organ system that it that it accumulates in and that's why in the liver it fatty liver obesity develops and gets a different phenotype for different appearance of deterior damage there are neurological problems depression anxiety and so on there are obviously see I've got a three problems um there are uh and that that could be uh part of your pump functions in heart muscle pump functions and muscles in general so you get chronic fatigue your exercise pattern is not as good so you you lose a lot of energy for that sense and metabolic water that effectual systems your organ systems differently based on where this disease processor due to accumulation is emphasized if you consume Duty I mean the form of carbohydrates and sugars yes depression maybe because sugars are used by brain cells because glucose is one of the few molecules that passes the broad brain barrier it's not true of triglycerides and so on so your brain cells cannot be in ketosis that's why Neuroscience lost their ability to divide that's why they use the transcriptase or the the polymerases that produce DNA so there's no so there's no DNA replication or tumors that grow in in the in the school or or in your brain those are usually um connective tissue later or or or or cells that are not they are actually not Neuroscience so um obviously in in in young age in childhood you may develop uh primary tumors that start from Neuroscience but the like for muscle cells muscles have spent on divide either because they use a lot of glucose so their DNA is dispersed under the sarcomas and they are just deposited around there we learned this in histology it was when I was looking at those sides and this makes no sense why a neurosci is not able to divide it would be great when you have a large condition when you need new neuroscience [Music] and same with muscle cells my muscles cannot divide muscles simply because it's very dangerous for them because they use some change their own they detail red blood cells why don't they have nuclei they could divide in peripheral blood no you can't because they don't have mitochondria so they actually process lithium High sugars to make them lactic acid and lactate is sent either to deliver to restore to be restored as glucose in the Corey cycle or more interestingly if you are a long distance Runner then you're gonna develop a gut bacteria that produces propionic acid from lactic acid so actually produce a ketone body the team depleted Ketone body to run the marathon because otherwise you will not be able to run you have to train for it but it's not only you don't need muscles for it you need strength and you need the ability to run long distance you need those nanomotives in your muscles to function it's not necessarily muscle strength so you adopted this by developing a gut bacteria which produces propionic acid which is a ketone body to be oxidized with your muscle cells and lower and keep their attitude low so they can actually function for several hours as you run these long distances so it and then when the genomics came into place you know fell in in place meaning that I now can explain and I understand why these organs neurocytes sarcomeres or or muscle cells and uh blood Busters cannot divide under any circumstances it's because they are exposed to the wrong subject um when it comes to maintaining DNA Integrity it gets glucose while other cells which have mitochondria and they have the choice of picking either glucose or Ketone bodies they would stick with Ketone bodies if they are in ketosis and we are just fine we don't need sugar for that the amount of glucose that is necessary for your brain function your liver can produce those two gluconeogenesis and hepatic glucose production so you don't have to eat glucose but if you do then it's it's a risk for those organs for the tune to require deuterium and for that different for that matter they protect themselves by getting rid of their DNA templates or their ability to uh to use these polymerases they lost stands and Anton itself or they practically just cut up the nuclei and put them in little storage vesicles around the cell membrane so they cannot be transcribed out they cannot be um Pauline Mary it cannot be multiplied but it can still be transcribed simply because it has to have protein synthesis so in red blood cells even that is not true but red versions are exposed to the multitude because they are actually circulating blood and they create a good GMO apple or fruit whatever there's a lot of 15 loaded um sugar in your in your and or your soda pop or some kind of soft drink or you know who knows what's out there um I don't really know these things anymore but practice it's a dangerous just to walk around and Sip and drink all this stuff and your body somehow knew this like millions and millions of years ago simply you have to have tissues that have no ability to divide and obviously it comes kind of uh shorthanded when it comes to like you are the degeneration um it comes um you know somewhat disadvantages when somebody has muscle wasting because you cannot really buy peripheriting those or um uh you know trying to repair those tissues it's only scared it's going to be only Scar Tissue because those cells cannot divide with the same phenotype or function so practically it's your give or take one way or another but it's all about it it's all about new economics and I've been practicing this with colleagues for a long time and I have to tell you deuteronics is probably the only science field that never let me down we didn't get it he could always add to the knowledge and have you know colleagues clinicians like yourself and and we just have to fit this in our everyday thinking I would say is no R in my life daytime that I wouldn't think of the Team One Way or not either how much there's your food how much I exercise how much I've all kind of push-up I did push upside it how easy it was you know you you test yourself you practice how fast my meals are growing did that mosquito bite me did that take well it's just practically just kind of this be in contact with nature one way or another just watch your body hide interacts with your environment and you can almost measure your detune level without any fancy instrument I'm not saying like precisely but you can families and your food where you get it how much the team you're consuming in and uh yes indeed that's very very critical like how much the team you take in how much UTM you consume and how much nepotium is still in the capacity of being sorted out by a regular physiological uh biochemical regulatory processes and to preserve how that way that's why we go up and get a lot of Buffalo stuff you know those are just I mean beautiful animals they are very nice and kind for that matter and they just give us the best source of metabolic water whatever and that's how they live up today and we just look at each other and we just like okay that's where you are it's it's fun okay and so Vegas that's that's one of the main things is avoiding things that that uh will ramp up your deuterium so so sugar glucose fruits you mentioned especially the you know the the you know large production ones um what are other things like um you know seed oils or bad you know are becoming more prominent in how toxic they are do they have they play a role in this at all well I do you think and that's just you know between you and I obviously it's gonna be heard by everybody else but practically um I I think the biggest kind of misleading Trend in humanity is this vegetarian diet be honest with you and I'm very honest I'm very Frank um we are not plenty we are we can eat potentially everything like based on our like our characterization but that's not we cannot maintain our body and body functions based on plant-based diet that's there's a movie I think the Capriccio is in that movie he get lost in Alaska or something I'm I don't remember the time exactly but he he dies he he cannot he has no guns he cannot hunt animals they run and he dies in what he has ordered other vegetarian diet components seeds plants you know leaves you know fruits whatsoever but it's it's still uh it's not still not enough for survival and um that's I after all we have to balance the two and the balancing is now if you hear me out expect to be much more on the meat and the fat side and very little uh like greens or or fruits for that matter occasionally I eat like a seasonal fruit if I have it just to try just be just like avad animals would eat when the time is there season we that's how treat propagates themselves that's how treats that's how plants propagate themselves because they can't move they cannot throw the seeds away they have to wrap them in this very kind of attractive and tasty kind of Sweet Apple and then the vodmore or the deal will eat it and walk away two three kilometers have diarrhea and that's that's exactly how plants they put that's the the role of fruits in nature so as long as it's seasoned as long as it's local it's long as you found it as long as it was falling from the tree it's it's funny because where I walk my dog um and somebody put beef apples on the like are there for their bad boards there's a track a waffle track so that person put um and uh apple peels that got probably from the department store and no animal would touch it now the word the word apple tree is all gone they they eat them up if you actually buy an apple in the department store and you feel like you put it out they want to touch it so this person yesterday I just saw this this person yesterday actually because the peers were not eaten now this person um cut up an apple into four pieces so it's not only the peers but not the whole Airport and I guarantee I'll send you a picture of this as we are done with this conversation and I guarantee you today when we walked when I walked it up and just want to see what's out there I guarantee you those apples will be whatever because they can smell the that something is iffy yeah or it's really not from that it's not natural yeah what's the thing that was uh I forget who said it but um there's a there's a quote that said uh humans are the only animals intelligent enough to make our own food and the only ones dumb enough to eat it that's right and it's it's it's everywhere if you kind of keep your eyes open and you walk in nature and with curiosity and you want to see what other humans you know what the animals do I mean be honest with you it's really scary to walk up to a water buffalo why because they can turn over a 40 ton tractor tray if you are pissed but they are not happy are you better run well even that wouldn't have because they run much faster than they needed yeah and just to walk up to these animals and and kind of you know just kind of let them know if you're part of the same system on me or another and you're not enemies you are you're kind of live you know in a certain context with each other and and and actually they are very convey bright very beautiful animals and they have a certain Behavior so you can actually catch them and you can actually eat them I mean they really learned how to live with with humans and they actually are very happy in some of those confinements that are still part of nature simply they cannot really wander all over but they have big enough land to roam and when time comes we provide them food and Protection One Way or Another and at some point believe it but you know this is how it's been as long as we lived on this planet and this is how it's been designed and there's not that many species that you can use for these purposes but there are seem to be animals there are actually serving this purpose to be a good team we depleted fatty meat source and they live around yeah especially if you come to Hungary there's water buffaloes there's gray cows there's Mongolian support pigs there's there's a lot of animals that like to hang around you know kind of um living the same household in that matter simply because you're able to develop this kind of relationship with them and it's it's to me it's a big nice yeah well I'm certainly on the same page with you there I mean I've I've I sort of stopped eating plants I just started eating meat 22 years ago when I was taking cancer biology in my undergrad and just learned about just plant toxins in general and just the defense chemicals that they use to protect themselves and and so my cancer biology professor at the time basically said that he didn't eat any plants at all didn't eat any vegetables you know and his in his words he said you know plants are trying to kill you like you shouldn't be eating these things and so that's why I sort of steered away from it at the time and it's you know it's it's nice to see you know I I mean I I hate I don't want to be like a victim of confirmation bias you know and just see the things that that line up with what I'm what I'm doing uh but it is nice to see it is nice to see these other things just everything's sort of coming together and fitting and coming full circle and you know when I look at medicine from that perspective that the kind of animal we are is one that's supposed to be eating meat and predominantly meat if not exclusively meat and by going outside of that we're having these sorts of Health ramifications and that that are are entirely preventable and even reversible and so it's nice to find out other other mechanisms like the deuterium that fit so well into that and makes so much sense to me uh it's just really nice and it's been absolute uh pleasure learning that from you today so thank you very much thank you so much and uh again this is my own experience through science and teaching and living this lifestyle meaning that um I prefer the food source that I know exactly what the detune level is not exactly but I know in like what rage it could and plants have no other Escape or protections we can't run away they have to protect themselves through a whole lot of toxins and chemicals except for a few but they grow certain roots and they repropagate themselves with the appropriate summer that's Christ and um for that endorsing animals there are designed to eat that we are not and for that matter it's just to me it's easy to comprehend it's not that complicated it's really well some of the biochemistry and metabolic Contra analysis patterns could be complicated but that's our job to kind of use those to make you know scientific arguments clear and easy to follow and discuss this with our colleagues and you know get these things are kind of you know clarified and and straightened out and uh have doctors at the bedside to understand the diseases better and to be able to diagnose and and treat those diseases or let people just kind of understand their own conditions and take care of themselves see everybody known some very basic fundamental things about their bodies and eat accordingly so I I I just admire your work as a clinician and as a scientist as a teacher I would like to contribute by giving you more details of like how this works in our system what's the physiological and biochemical background that will come well I really appreciate it and it's been absolute uh pleasure and and just a great learning experience for me and I'm sure everyone watching this will uh will think so as well so um uh Professor how do people get in touch with her how to follow you do you have um like a website or or anything like that that people can can take a look at I do have a Laszlo g boros.com website where there are additional um information uh you can subscribe to the right University course uh through the winter course it's in the sub molecular medical Sciences if you go to the braai university website my email is uh like my first my family nameboros.noslow at yahoo.com and uh there are many talks and many papers in the medical literature and on YouTube that you can or your audience they can explore more if you have questions you can reach me through your um website as well I believe so after this talk is posted so um and I'm very happy to to discuss these uh with uh people who are interested in learning I'm not a clinician so I can and I won't give medical advice this is a whole different Arena but I would like to give them knowledge solid and easy to understand enough to make decisions and that's practically just as easy as pulling into the gas station and looking at your manual is these are interested gasoline so that's how they feel about that we are actually loaded to your body producing meat eaters carnivores so just deal with it nice that's perfect well great well Dr Borussia thank you so much for coming on it's been absolute pleasure thank you for taking the time I really appreciate it thank you so much [Music]