Matt Bazuki shares his remarkable journey from severe bipolar disorder with four psychiatric hospitalizations to complete symptom remission through dietary intervention. After struggling with manic psychosis, multiple medications, and failed conventional treatments from 2016-2018, Bazuki discovered that a strict ketogenic diet eliminated his bipolar symptoms entirely when he began it in January 2021. Working with Dr. Chris Palmer, he maintained ketones at 2.5 millimolar or above while tracking his progress, leading to a recovery that "just doesn't happen" in traditional mental health treatment.
Dr. Anthony Chaffee explains the scientific basis for plant toxins as natural defense mechanisms, citing how Brussels sprouts contain 136 identified carcinogens and how beans can literally kill if eaten uncooked. He traces this knowledge back to his cancer biology professor who warned that "plants are trying to kill you," leading to his initial adoption of a meat-only diet. The discussion reveals how traditional food preparation methods like nixtamalization were developed specifically to detoxify plant foods before consumption.
The conversation explores the practical advantages of carnivore eating, including simplified meal planning, stable energy without caffeine crashes, and superior muscle building capacity. Bazuki describes eating primarily fatty cuts of meat with added butter, while Dr. Anthony Chaffee details his approach of dry-aging steaks in the refrigerator and sourcing fat trimmings from butchers. Both emphasize how the diet eliminates decision fatigue around food choices and provides consistent energy levels throughout demanding work schedules, with Dr. Anthony Chaffee maintaining peak performance during 36-48 hour surgical shifts.
Key Takeaways
- Strict ketogenic diet with ketones maintained at 2.5 millimolar or above completely eliminated severe bipolar disorder symptoms after conventional treatments failed
- Brussels sprouts contain 136 identified carcinogens while spinach, mushrooms, and other common vegetables contain dozens of natural toxins as plant defense mechanisms
- Beans and legumes contain lectins that can be fatal if consumed uncooked, requiring traditional detoxification methods like soaking, cooking, and fermentation
- Nixtamalization was developed by Mesoamericans to treat corn with lye for 24 hours, preventing pellagra deaths from niacin deficiency when this process was skipped
- Coffee and caffeine block zinc absorption by up to 75% when consumed with meals, while oxalates in spinach actually decrease calcium levels in the body
- Fatty red meat provides superior muscle building with stable energy levels, eliminating the need for multiple daily meals and complex meal planning
- Dry-aging steaks in the refrigerator on wire racks for up to a month tenderizes meat naturally, while butcher fat trimmings provide an inexpensive source of additional calories
- Mental health issues increased dramatically since the 1980s, with autism rates rising from 1 in 10,000 in the 1970s to potentially 1 in 22 males today
- Bipolar Disorder Recovery with Ketogenic Diet
- Plant Toxins and Carcinogens Discovery
- Plant Defense Chemicals and Traditional Detoxification
- Agriculture and Human Health Decline
- Bipolar Disorder Treatment with Keto and Medications
- Plant Toxins in Mental Health and Jordan Peterson Case
- Autism Rates and Environmental Factors
- Ketogenic Diet Success and Energy Stability
- Antinutrients Block Mineral Absorption
- Carnivore Diet Energy and Mental Clarity
- Muscle Building on Carnivore Diet
- Bodybuilding Myths and Carnivore Muscle Growth
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it's funny I started to do everything that the doctors recommended so I was taking medication as prescribed I was exercising regularly swimming my executive functioning was poor my sleep was inconsistent I would have to take extra medication periodically just to keep myself from going into these elevated mood States I would have weird symptoms like rage and frustration and medications that we know or that I know now cause a lot of metabolic harm one of the meds I was on it's called the lanzapine it causes people to gain 20 30 50 lbs or more when they're on this medication because it causes so much metabolic dysfunction now that we're starting to understand psychiatric illness as metabolic disease manifesting as brain problems and weird Behavior it makes me wonder whether a lot of these meds did more harm than good if they were impacting my metabolism negatively welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining me for another episode of the plantree MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and uh today I have a very special guest Mr Matt bazuki who is here to tell us about his personal story with uh nutrition and health Matt thank you so much for coming on thanks for having me on did you say plant free I like that free yeah yeah yeah yeah that's the whole idea like um yeah was the reason I went um carnivore in the first place and just started eating meat only was because I had a a professor of um cancer biology when I when I was in my undergrad back in around 2000 uh at the University of Washington in Seattle and he was telling us how toxic plants were and how they had all these carcinogens and all these other sorts of things and how dare you yeah I know and he he's talking about how yeah just you know a lot of these these toxins you know they defend themselves chemically like that's how plants stay alive in the wild right and so a lot of these things can can actually be carcinogenic and so he like brussels sprouts had 136 identified carcinogens at the time back in 2000 mushrooms had over 100 but also spinach and broccoli and kale and cucumbers and everything else that we've eaten you know had dozens and so we were you know blown away by this and he when we sort of settled down and realized that he wasn't joking and he was serious I remember thinking my head I was like well this guy is like that that's crazy this guy's serious but but vegetables are still good for you though right because you just you know you're you're drilled with that since you're a kid and he looked at us and he just sort of gave us this weird look and he just said yeah I don't eat salad I don't eat vegetables I don't let my kids eat vegetables plants are trying to kill you and I'm like right done I'm just gonna I'm just gonna walk away from plants that's what I was it I just defaulted into eggs and meat and um and I felt amazing you know felt better than I ever had in my life and I did that for a number of years and then I slipped off of it I was playing professional rugby in England sort of slipped off of it because some of the meat was sort of breaded and I sort of convinced myself well you know dose makes the poison maybe it's not all that that much but it made a big difference made a big impact and and it wasn't until sort of you know six six and a half years ago now that I sort of rediscovered that and sort of started thinking about it from a from a biological point of view that you know humans have been apex predators for you know two million years and that's just what we've been exposed to the longest is is just eating meat it's only more recently that we've been more exposed to plants certainly the large scale agriculture that we've experienced in the last 10,000 years and so you know we don't have necessarily all the the builtup defenses towards these these plant toxins that you know herbivores would have and so I said okay well that makes sense you know and that's what I was doing those 5 years that I've never felt better in my entire life never played better never performed better as an athlete or scholastically as a student that was what I was doing I was sort of eating to our biological design I was like right I knew it I knew plants were trying to kill me get rid of these stupid things and I just went back to just eating meat and just felt amazing and I was you know 44 now I was 38 at the time and I I at 38 I I all of a sudden felt like I was 22 again and I just felt so good I went back and started playing highle rugby and just you know started feeling amazing and started really looking into this and digging into the research on it and that's sort of where this podcast came about is just trying to share my sort of experiences with others on that that's amazing yeah I've never heard the the plant uh the the toxic plants thing but it makes me wonder how deep the misinformation goes if virtually everything that I've been told about nutrition since I was a kid has been either completely debunked or heavily questioned now the food pyramid and all and the and the carbs and the bread and all this stuff that I was taught but this plant's thing I've never heard that is wild yeah yeah it's um it's it's definitely new but you know it's it's something that that well it's new and it's old because it's something that that we've known I mean botanists know this very well there's there's an interesting guy named uh Professor George Diggs on YouTube dgs and he has a number of of uh lectures Med you know lectures uh on specifically this you know all the different ways that plants defend themselves and you know use these toxins to defend themselves and actually how you know these are are also in the the plants that we eat the who has a whole web page dedicated towards uh naturally occurring toxins in food every single one is either a plant mushroom or an algae and then some of those algae can get into you know seafood and then we can get them through that but it's not the the the animal the meat e the seafood it's the algae and and and these are these are things that we typically eat and there are a lot of accounts on CDC talks about this where a plant they can make you very sick there's you know beans legumes they have a lot of lectins that are quite toxic and this is why you have to cook them and soak them and do all that because if you if you eat them uh you know uncooked uh they can kill you they can they can actually kill you and so we we detoxify these things and lower their toxic load by cooking them soaking them in liee fermenting them these are all traditional means of lowering the toxic load of plants U but they were tra traditionally done in people that were that were poor you know the the wealthy people had access to meat they would eat more meat and then maybe they you know the idea of Cuisine came in uh to European cultures a while ago uh but it typically when you could afford meat you you got meat and you you ate the sort of the plants when in the more poorer communities that uh and but they had to they you know they went through these different you know these different sorts of um processes to sort of detoxify and lower their toxic load um tamales for instance that comes from the word Nish talization which was the original way that that the meso Americans used to treat corn and they would soak it in lie and and do some other things for like 24 hours and that would break down some of the toxins and and release some of the the nutrients like um know niin things like that and there's a whole rash of of of death that happened uh from nutritional deficiencies in nin called pag paga which is the nin deficiency and people were dying from this in a large scale they thought it was an infectious disease it turned out they were just eating a whole bunch of corn but they weren't putting it through this process and so they weren't getting the nin out of it and they were dying from nin deficiency and um yeah so you know it does go back but um you know we know that in the fossil record when when the the megap died out that people had to go to to different sorts of means and you had like the uh North American in the North Americans in the Great Plains they still had access to you know the American buffalo and uh they had a lot of meat available so they were you know they were just eating meat really until the end of the 18th 18th century or 1800s when the the the Bison herds were wiped out um Native Australian same thing they were basically eating meat largely up until a century ago and same with the Inuit you know until they were incorporated into Western society and um started get more access to you know Western food I mean they before that they were just eating seal and whale and things like that things that they caught and trapped and hunted and uh and they've gotten a lot sick uh sicker as a result you know they haven't had 10,000 years to to adapt to these sorts of different ways of eating and so they actually have a far higher rate of chronic disease than uh you know European Americans for instance and so you know I think that that's you know you know completely to do with just eating the wrong thing we're eating things that we're not designed for just like animals in the zoo they you know they have signs that say don't feed the animals it makes them very sick to eat something that they're not that they're not adapted to or they're not designed for that they don't eat in the wild and we forget that you know those same biological laws apply to us and uh you look back in the fossil record you know at every point that agriculture came in uh came into practice the the same thing happened all around the world regardless of the time or location or the type of crop that they that humans went to the same things happen the height and health and brain size of the population actually decreased marketly dropped by like 5 six inches on average smaller Jaws crooked teeth more poor wound healing infectious disease signs of tuberculosis in the bones and brain size went down so adult male brains dropped by 11% adult female brains dropped by 17% and that happen all these things happened immediately it didn't take hundreds of years or thousands of years it was just overnight and then um and that persisted you know so and then we saw this in real time with the Native Americans and uh innuit and native Australians um so you know we're seeing that sort of in real time so I think a lot of this this is is to do with eating plants that we're really not designed for obviously you know with the grains and the carbs and and those sorts of things that completely disrupts and rearranges our metabolism and how our brain functions and our body functions and so uh and I think that's that's a you know a big part of that but it's it's just sort of the same principle that we're eating things that we're not designed for and it's causing a lot of harm hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia Stockman Stakes who are delivering high quality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to your ad door something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beefart as well so use code chaffy today for free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com and I'll see you over there thanks guys yeah there was a interesting presentations at metabolic Health Summit when I was there about the keto diet for cancer and all the oncologists were talking about this and it just it makes me so curious about how deep the rabbit hole is and how much of this low carb or carnivore World related to health there is to explore and how many diseases we're treating with medications that are completely preventable with lifestyle mainly carnivore keto diet or whatever it is I don't know the exact solution um I can tell you that my own experience with you know doing this diet um I was hospitalized four times for manic psychosis with bipolar disorder that's basically where my story is from 2016 to 2018 and I was having severe mood swings psychosis hospitalized four times I was on six medications that cause metabolic harm pretty much unfortunately um and then when I went on a ketogenic diet in 2021 my symptoms disappeared I mean my bolar disorder symptoms completely went away when I went on the ketogenic diet and I was working with Dr Chris Palmer and I was tracking my ketones regularly we were we were tracking them in the morning and in the evening and they were usually 2.5 millimolar or above they were pretty high and I was watching them and it was wild like my parents and I had tried every treatment that modern medicine had to offer every medication every um Psychotherapy treatment centers all over the country I remember going to treatment centers and they would do DBT groups with me and but all for seven hours a day but and they would feed me ice cream and root beer with no no physical exercise it's like what did you expect was going to happen so when I implemented this and I did keto everything changed along with a few other Cornerstone health related habits for for metabolic health physical exercise hard cardio weightlifting good sleep uh blue light blockers in the evening and uh sunlight in the morning like hberman talks about as well as just purpose and connection yeah when I when I got this stuff going uh my life really changed and I'm I'm almost off all my meds I haven't had a an episode in three years living on my own working the kinds of recoveries that really just don't happen like in the mental health world when people have symptoms is severe these kinds of recoveries don't happen um so while life is really good now and yeah Anthony it makes me wonder it makes me wonder how many people out there are having severe um psychiatric illness schizophrenia depression bipolar disorder which we're starting to understand as an umbrella of psychiatric symptoms that are the result of metabolic dysfunction that are maybe not individual diagnoses per se but it's just poor metabolic Health manifest in as sickness in the brain and then when you do keto and you do some other stuff sometimes for a lot of people actually this can completely reverse symptoms I've never heard the plants thing though so I do eat plants I probably not as much as eggs and fish and beef and chicken that's most of my diet and coconut oil and stuff like that but uh this is very interesting for me yeah well that I mean it's amazing that you had such a recovery I mean this is such a this is such a debilitating issue uh any mental health issue is but you know having having bipolar schizophrenia you know where where you're having you're having trouble sort of dealing with the world around you and and you're acting in ways that seem normal to you but are not normal to everybody else is is extremely difficult and and having such a such a simple and elegant solution I mean it may not be easy I mean not everybody finds it easy to change their diet radically but but it is it is fairly simple it's just straightforward hey you do these things and and you should have this result um yeah the plant things is is a bit interesting I've actually found that some people that have that that that aren't able to get full recovery just from going keto actually benefit from from dropping the plants alog together uh Dr Georgia Eid who um was also a Harvard trained psychiatrist and the same same line of thinking as as Chris Palmer um you know she she just wrote a book called um change your diet change your mind and in that you know she talks about all these these sorts of changes and say hey look just get rid of you know the alcohol and the processed foods and the sugars that's going to make a big help and then reduce the carbs okay now really get rid of the carbs and all these like sort of stepwise progressions and how you can improve and sort of get people there uh but she has a she has a chapter specifically on the carnivore diet and that just specifically getting rid of the plants as well can actually uh help these people that have refractory cases even to the ketogenic diet and and they aren't getting as much improvement they're they're there does seem to be either neuroinflammatory or neurotoxic substances in plants that can cause problems for people um Jordan Peterson's a good example of that he yeah improved a lot of his symptoms but then he was you know just doing like hardcore keto and just a lot of fatty meat and salads and then he dropped and but he had had debilitating depression and anxiety and then he dropped the salads and in 3 weeks it was basically gone and he and he was sort of functional again and he even said it he's like salad was doing this to me you know I mean someone thinks that you everyone thinks oh salads are so great they're so good for you um but yeah it's it's really interesting you know plants make about a million different defense chemicals and um you know in order to stop animals and insects from eating them you know it's killed be killed in the wild and and especially for plants you know we're not we're not crop dusting forests with with pesticides to keep the insects off of them and yet they're still there you know so they're they're able to defend themselves make their own pesticides and um you mean you we know this intuitively if you get lost in the woods and you run out of food you can't run eat any random plant right most of them are inedible and would make you very sick or even kill you and so the the ones that that are edible it's not that they're not toxic you know grape grapes and avocados will kill cats and dogs for instance you know so there are toxins in there it's just we're better able to deal with those toxins than we are the toxins from hemlock or eucalyptus or something like that and so it's just we have we have more of a tolerance we have more of an ability to break these toxins down but that doesn't mean those toxins don't exist and it doesn't mean that they're not doing something Subacute you know I mean like cyanide is toxic to every everything and and that's in 3,000 different plants such as almonds macadamia nuts flax seeds cassava cassava makes up um the staple the number one calorie source for 750 million people in the tropics you know and um there was actually a rash of people getting sick in Australia from something called veggie chips because these are made with cassava and tapioca powder which is also high in Cyanide and um it just had a higher cyanide load on this patch or something and it just made a lot of people sick and they don't say that they don't say that on the bag that hey you could get sick from the cyanide in here they don't put that on almonds or macadamia nuts uh or flax seed you know but it is there and and sort of sublethal chronic exposure to these things can uh cause thyroid dysfunction and neurological damage and and they don't they don't tell anybody this you know no one knows this and so we're just we're just walking around eating these things going yes yes vegetables are good all these things are great so that's sort of why I I made a a bit of a funny name with the the plant for for MD just to sort of catch people's attention and I even have a you know if you're interested you know you you should check out Professor George Diggs there's a guy named uh uh professor John Parker from Cambridge University is there well he was professor of botney there and and um and the curator of their Botanical Gardens and he has a he has a YouTube video on uh Cambridge the Cambridge YouTube channel it's called Cambridge ideas it's just called don't eat the plants it just flat out just talks about how toxic these things are and how all the different ways that they defend themselves and at the end he's just like okay so what do we eat you know what do we do I guess you could eat some fruit some fruits are safe but if you want to eat real food without all these nasty chemicals and spines and hairs on it you know you wipes away all these kiwi fruit off the off the table someone puts down a chicken in front of him he said become a carnival and he like chicken starts eating it you know so it's out there and it's really interesting and I have a I have a lecture I gave at a medical conference in Australia and I just called it PL are trying to kill you and so you know just named after my my lecture so it's um you know you can you can dip into it but you know that's that's um you know I I think of this as a therapeutic intervention as well you know you have people that that are very sick like you say you know how many people are sick because of these these bad nutritional guidelines I it's a lot you know mental health issues have have incre increased dramatically since the 1980s as have you know cardiovascular issues and um diabetes as skyrocketed and um and autoimmunity and Alzheimer's and neurod degenerative sorts of issues me just look at autism you know one in 10,000 people in America had autism in the 1970s now it's I think it's 1 in 34 and possibly even one in 22 males will will now have autism Now in America so you that's a massive increase and and things that didn't need happen you know you're getting you're getting damaged neurological function and dysfunction and and misev simply by eating the wrong thing simply by eating what we've been told is the right thing and parents being told this is the best thing for your baby feed them this and and it's harming them uh which is crazy but um you know you know but but you know to your story you know which is uh is is what I wanted to know more about how did this all all start for you did this how long have you um well when when did your first symptoms of of bipolar kick off and how how was that experience for you um so I was having I was having some symptoms in high school I didn't realize it and then I went to college I was doing a a pretty rigorous course load at UC Berkeley I was doing some engineering stuff um that March was when I had my first episode it's very interesting that a lot of people with this illness tend to have symptoms in March because the days um up here in the northern hemisphere at least are getting longer very rapidly in March during the equinox and the illness is closely tied to circadian rhythm and so it's at that point where the days are getting longer and longer but very at a rapid rate that a lot of people tend to have symptoms and that's when my first break was in March of 2016 I started to have delusion psychosis Mania went a few nights without sleeping um like you said it all seemed real to me at the time when I was in the middle of it and then eventually my parents took me to a psychiatrist the psychiatrist wanted to get me to take a pill which I thought was some test Grand test and that I wasn't supposed to take this pill I was deeply delusional and I ended up getting 5150ed which here in the United States is a wor psychiatric hold for 72 hours and that was extended to a 10day hold and so I was locked in this Hospital psychotic delusional um for 10 days White Walls it very scary and um you know it was just a it was a result of it was a perfect storm my parents and I like to talk about the sleepless nights the stress drugs and alcohol a lot of carbohydrates um inconsistent sleep and all of that just came together and I didn't correct those behaviors after I was hospitalized that time unfortunately I went back to drinking I went back to doing drugs I think especially marijuana is far more potent than it was in the 60s and now that the psychoactive component of the drug is is exponentially more powerful than the antis psychotic component that's been artificially bred um and I know a lot of incidentally a lot of young adults who have had psychosis from smoking marijuana but I went back to it and I was hospitalized three more times over the course of the next two years each one for two weeks each one for fluid manic psychosis and I finally achieved some insight into my condition in 2018 when I for the first time I realized something was wrong the way I was living I wasn't healthy um my states of Mind had been too inconsistent and volatile for me to even realized that before 2018 and so I started to put some good habits in place and it's funny I started to do everything that the doctors recommended so I was taking medication as prescribed I was exercising regularly swimming um I was watching my sleep I was tracking my sleep in a big spreadsheet along with medication but I would I was still really struggling I my executive functioning was poor um my sleep was inconsistent um I would try to I would have to take extra medication periodically just to keep myself from going into these elevated mood States and and I didn't get better and I would I would have weird symptoms like rage and frustration and I was it was going to be a really difficult even if I managed to stay out of the hospital and the only way I was going to do that was by taking heavy doses of these anti-yo medications and mood stabilizers and medications that we know or that I know now cause a lot of metabolic harm one of the meds I was on it's called the lanzapine it causes people to gain 20 30 50 pounds or more when they're on this medication because it causes so much metabolic dysfunction now that we're starting to understand psychiatric illness as metabolic disease manifesting as brain problems and weird Behavior it makes me wonder whether a lot of these meds did more harm than good if they were impacting my metabolism negatively and you look at you look at things like the comorbidities between bipolar disorder and obesity bipolar disorder and type two diabetes um a lot of these illnesses tend to run hand inand in people and we're learning that that's because these illness these these illnesses are both metabolic in nature and so some when people have poor metabolic health and they're obese they tend to have bipolar disorder they tend to have schizophrenia people with these mental illnesses die in average I think it's 15 or 20 years earlier than the general population and that's actually because they die of metabolic uh traditional metabolic illness you know metabolic illness and um and obesity and type two diabetes things like this so when I went on keto 2020 my mom found Dr Chris Palmer's work it was very lucky that she found this um I went on keto January 4th of 2021 I cut all the carbs out it was just chicken beef coconut oil avocados maybe I'll cut the avocados out now I don't know um but it was just meats and yeah my symptoms went away my symptoms went away I mean just the the I couldn't work I couldn't I couldn't do anything and now I can things just fell into place when I changed my diet everything fell into place and keep in mind we had tried every recommendation um my family had the means you know weird treatments from transcranial magnetic stimulation at Stanford where they shock your head to uh everything under the sun and keto was what did it um and really you know what we know now is human beings are not meant to run on carbohydrates humans are not meant to run on glucose um especially incessantly I mean I had never maybe a couple times in college when I was experimenting with fasting and other things but I had never use ketones as a source of fuel in my entire life and so when I did that yeah I mean it makes sense that everyone's sick so that's basically my story the short version yeah no that's great and you know it is it is funny and we we you know you have so many very clever people trying to figure out these things and and we're doing you know transcranial sort of magnetic issues all sorts of like wild medications and and treatments he like okay will this help will this help will this help let's try all these sorts of things looking right past the fact that these issues did not exist in this level a few decades ago and and thinking like okay well why don't we take a step back and think about wait what what changed during this time you know obviously there's something in the environment it's not genetics you know we need to we need to figure out what what's the root cause what's causing this to get better getting it to get worse because it's not like there's just been you know this exact percentage of people with this mental health issue or whatever condition throughout you know the the records right it's it's it's going up and it's going up at quite Market pace and so I think that's that's the thing is that if you want to if you want to treat symptoms then you know that's one thing but if you want to actually address the root cause you have to take a step back and realize okay what changed in our environment you know what did we start doing that's different you know why is it that in the 1980s and before that it was called type adult onset diabetes as opposed to type two diabetes and juvenile diabetes instead of type 1 diabetes and that it was really only like middle-aged elderly alcoholics that would get adult onset diabetes and in fact the treatment back then for about a 100 years was carbohydrate restriction and then all of a sudden 10-year-olds are getting adult onset diabetes and they couldn't figure out they they know what the hell was going on well it's not an adult how why is he getting adult onset diabetes and he's got fatty liver disease only alcoholics get fatty liver disease kids never drank alcohol in his life and so instead of realizing hey look something changed what was it they just said probably happening all the time they just got misdiagnosed as as type ones and so you know we'll just call it type CH now you know and you know you could you could make that argument once you know that we noticed it we're better at diagnosing it now okay well made that argument in the '90s fine well then why did it go up in the 2000s and the 2010s and now the 2020s it's still going up and the same thing with mental health and so it's um you know sometimes you have to be you know sometimes you're so sharp you'll cut yourself trying to find these really elaborate treatments on something a new way of how do we figure this out and when it's just like you know actually just you know just realize that there's something that changed in the environment and and try to figure out what that is I think it's the diet I 100% agree with you like we're not designed to to run on carbohydrates we make these things and when you when you stop that you you you disrupt a lot of metabolic processes in your body insulin is a very busy hormone it affects over a 100 different mechanisms in your body and so when it you know it's you know if it's at at a normal sort of Baseline level it's affecting everything at that level and then we eat carbohydrates it spikes up it's affecting everything at that heightened level now and now's out of balance and you're going to stop your body from being able to turn over your mitochondria and heal them and and repair them and you're going to get metabolic dysfunction you can get neuronal dysfunction and that can manifest as as uh as mental health issues and so you know if we're if we don't recognize that then we're not going to be able to address the root cause yeah it's funny how a lot of people think about their head separate from their bodies yeah it's like sometimes I I try to explain and I I have to explain it to people but like your the food you eat becomes you like it becomes your brain that's what you are um you know I see a lot of people in my generation as we've dealt with the stigma of mental illness and that's fortunate but the unfortunate consequence of that is that a lot of people jenzy especially younger people will run straight to medication whenever there's any kind of psychological problem whether it's lowlevel anxiety or a little bit of depression or whatever it happens to be people will run straight to medication when in many cases like if we could just address the Sleep diet exercise components especially diet but I mean those other two are very important um how much of this could we could we cure just right off the bat I would be very curious to see if we did a blank get experiment in the United States where we I mean maybe even we cut out the refined sugars how much good we can do I look at it as probably two bad revolutions there's the Agricultural Revolution 10,000 years ago which is where we started to go very wrong but then there's also been this arguably as severe revolution of the last 60 years which has been the pro food pyramid Pro breed uh fineo carbohydrate movement and I remember like being in school and they they taught us the food pyramid they literally taught us that we were supposed to consume 10 to 12 servings of bread and refined carbs South Park did an interesting episode about that where the South Park joke was that you had to flip the food pyramid upside down and that was like the the the uh the makeup of foods that we're actually supposed to be eating hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want a nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we 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instead of adding coconut oil is something I'd add I'd add butter you grass-fed butter or tallo you know grass-fed Tallow and uh so I you know basically it's it's sort of like the you know if a if a six-year-old could could pick his diet you know that's basically what I eat just RI eyes just all the time you know so like ribe eyes with butter on it yeah so uh yeah so that that's that's that's how you get that and the a big thing too is that you know you you know ketogenic diet just means you know not eating carbohydrates but then what do you replace it with fat and protein and yes you can get that some from you know coconut oils and things like that but a large part of that's going to come from meat you know so a lot of these all these studies that I mean there's thousands now thousands showing these medical improvements and benefits from being on a ketogenic diet they they all use a largely animal-based approach to that you know it wouldn't be like a vegetarian approach so it's um you know it's large large component of um of meat um I think there's added benefit from going you know a cornivore diet is a ketogenic diet it's a sort of a subset of the ketogenic diets and I think they both work very similarly for that same reason um with the added benefit of cutting out these plant toxins that can be directly toxic but a lot of these things are actually uh anti nutrients so there's yes there's nutrients in in the plants but just like in corn you know unless you treat them ferment them or soak them in some sort of chemical they're not necessarily bioavailable so they have low bioavailability in um in uh the 50s they did experiments with calcium and spinach there's a lot of calcium in spinach and so they gave them to people say okay so this should increase your calcium levels in fact your calcium levels went down and that's because the calcium was bound up in in ways that we couldn't access and they also come with a lot of oxalates which actually get into your bloodstream and strip out the calcium out of your body so it's it it's not only not bioavailable that these anti-nutrients that that block the absorption or even get into your body and strip out these nutrients so coffee caffeine that can get in your body and strip out magnesium and other sorts of of um you know um minerals um but also they'll stop you from absorbing them at all so I have I have a patient now who is on Carnivore everything was getting better and better and better uh but his zinc sort of went down and um and so he uh he basically was drinking like a lot of coffee and like anytime he'd eat he'd drink coffee and that's going to be blocking out a lot of the zinc and other sorts of things that he ate he stopped drinking coffee zinc went right up there was a study with um oy oers and so they gave people oysters oyers have a lot of zinc and so they gave people oysters and they check their bloods you know immediately sort of waited for the rise in in the serum zinc and it did you had this big rise in zinc when they just ate oysters then another day they ate the same amount of oysters but with like beans I think it was like Black beans only went up like a quarter of the amount so it was like 75% reduction in in absorption and then another day they gave like like corn tortillas no rays in the Zinc at all so it actually blocked out all the zinc entirely so going on to just just carnivore you actually end up getting more nutrients instead of less nutrients there are other things like proteas Inhibitors or tannins and this will block proteas which is our uh enzyme from our pancreas that will break down proteins and break them into amino acids so we can absorb them and then tannins which will just bind and denature proteins so we can't break them down at all and we can't get to them they just have to pass through undigested um so when you actually get rid of those you actually end up getting more bang for your buck you end up getting more of the nutrients and more of or more of the the proteins and fats that um that you've actually eaten so being a bit more efficient it also um tastes better I don't I've never I've never regretted dropping salad or or asparagus or anything like that um but uh yeah it's actually um extremely nutritious dense and and then you get an added benefit from not having those antinutrients as well wow it's fascinating um one of the things we we talk a lot about in the mental health keto spases adherence and one of the arguments that doctors will make is that people aren't going to adhere to this keto diets a strict diet and the way that it needs to be done to achieve optimal maximum benefit I mean any benefit probably is that the adherence needs to be strict so for for people who are having a cheap meal once a week or something like that and kicking their bodies out of ketosis we don't know a lot about this yet unfortunately but for many for many people the symptom the relief from symptoms only come when they adhere to this diet for many many months without without cheating and then I've talked to people who have done the diet and then they'll have you know Gatorade by mistake they thought it was a Gatorade zero it's actually gored with sugar and the clinical depression comes raring back M um so we talk a lot about adherence one of the things that I love about doing the keto diet and you know having done it for almost three and a half years now strict with a couple you know spoon of ice cream here and there but really no full meals or slices of pizza or anything like that is I allocate a lot less mental energy to try to decide what I'm going to eat on a day-to-day basis I don't deal with the shame of eating things I'm not supposed to eat so this whole part of my life where I used to spend okay well I shouldn't be eating this I have to eat this okay I'm eating too much sugar oh wow I just ate that whole okay I got to compensate that whole world of mental energy has kind of been Stripped Away and it's not even a question of what I'm going to eat I know I'm going to eat some beef with butter eggs whatever it is maybe I'll cut out the peanut butter now that we've had this discussion but I love the idea of doing carnivore because it just makes this so straightforward I mean there are there's no there isn't even a question about doing avocados or I mean you cut out coffee you don't drink coffee you don't drink caffeine correct yeah have you found has that been your experience too where it's just you get to devote energy to other parts of your life now that this is taken care of no coffee no caffeine Etc yeah yeah once you drop the coffee and caffeine your energy is here all day so you know I normally work in you know I have a a practice in in metabolic health and trying to address root cause sort of issues and use diet and lifestyle sort of interventions and therapeutic sort of ketosis and ketogenic carnivore diets to help people reverse their diseases and issues um but you know my my you know my main um you my main work is in neurosurgery so it's just long hours and you're doing on calls for 36 hours 48 hours uh sometimes longer and it's it's very trying because it's very busy um my energy is here the whole time so I wake up in the morning I'm here and afternoon evening I'm here even if I don't eat all day and then it's like I'm on call and I'm busy and we're operating all night I'm here the whole time you know and so it's it's absolutely fantastic so I I don't have the ups and the downs and yeah I feel better when I'm on caffeine but then I crash and I feel pretty gross and junky the rest of the day whereas otherwise I'm just bang just perfect energy perfect me mental Clarity the whole time and it it frees up so much time and so much thought and effort to like you say I know what I'm going to eat I typically once a day if I'm working out more and I'm I'm being more active physically I'll tend to eat you know twice a day and so you know I plan for that you know I I I cook a steak C takes no time to cook a steak chop it up put it in a little container bring that to work um and then you know have a big steak after work or something like that but if I'm busy and I'm I'm going through and my body says o you know steak time isn't it and it's like yeah well I'm not going to be getting home till probably tomorrow night so you know not going to eat for a while my body just says yeah fine no problem so I find that I have several hours a day that have been freed up that I'm not thinking about preparing or eating food and it I just so much more time in my life and I'm not just like constantly thinking what do I eat what am I going to do how am I going to plan I have to shop I have a I have a chest full of meat I have a fridge full of meat it's wet aging and dry aging it's only meat in there you know there there videos on on YouTube that I have that's funny I have that you know like my my girlfriend now when we first started dating she came over and I showed her my fridge and she was freaked out she actually text her friends she's like his whole his whole fridge is full of meat I took a picture of it she's like run get out of there you're gonna end up in that fridge if you don't get out so yeah you know but um and now that's our fridge you know and now she's she's fully on board with it as well and and um so that's it you know it's just all me you know I have I have big slabs of meat you know I go to Costco and get a whole case of meat have a bunch of you know ribeye uh loins the whole whole full thing you keep them in that that vacuum sealed pack and you keep the seal on it uh you put that in the fridge that's wet aging you can do that up to a month and it just you breaks down and gets more tender it's great and then you you cut that up into steaks big 3in thick cut steaks uh salted to to choice I don't use much salt anymore but then you put it on wire racks on a on a baking sheet and you just let it dry out in the refrigerator not touching air has to circulate on all sides it has to dry out if it's moist it'll grow bacteria but if it's dry it'll just dry out and the bacteria can't grow and it's amazing and so I just grab a big steak every night cook it up you know if I want two I cook two if I in the morning I want one to bring to work you know I I'll just take one out and do that meal prep is nothing it takes no time and now I have weeks worth of of meals and just grab it one steak at a time it's amazing so I have so much more time um it's so easy I'm not going around going o what about this recipe I just go straight to the meat aisle and and you know get some steaks you know and that's it and I you know I go and get those you know big things of steak you know now I have um I started ordering uh from a a place here in Australia that does all regenerative raised grass-fed and finished sort of Stak so now now it just comes to my door it's even less time you know so I just grabbing staks and and throwing them on it takes absolutely no time it is it is it's very freeing in that and I don't have to think about well I need more lettuce and I need more avocado I need more this and those are gone bad so I have to throw those out there's meat and I'm going to eat meat and um that's awesome yeah so do do do you do like coconut oil or avocado oil or anything like that MCT I I I typically stick to the animal fats yeah you know and so um there thing like you people do like U you know Bulletproof Coffee so you can use like MCT or of of or coconut oil or even butter uh I don't drink coffee so one thing that I've done is uh bulletproof water and you just put a stick of butter into hot water blend it up it's actually good it's all just creamy warm you know comforting goodness you know so nice yeah it's it's actually pretty good and um uh yeah I I typically just use the animal fats yeah so I'll add like grass-fed butter to things and then I'll get um a butcher to make I actually ordered this from uh from that place I go to online um for people in Australia it's a Stockman steaks and and they do uh grass-fed uh beef fat trimmings so you just get a pack of fat and you just cut it up into little cubes and and fry those up in a pan and just have a little pile of fat next to the meat as well to get extra fat yeah so it's fantastic that's that's badass that's funny yeah you can get them from butchers I mean they're really cheap too because most butchers throw throw their fat trimmings away sometimes you use them for for I know right breaks my heart man they pay to get them thrown away because it's like a biohazard because it's you know it's it's organic material and so they have they can't just throw it in a dumpster they have to like pay to get it specially taken and so a lot of butchers will will uh be very happy for you to take it for free or very cheap and so you can always ask for the for the offcut fat trimmings and uh and then just have a have a bag of those in the freezer and then just chop up a whole bunch of these things and and cook it up next to your steak and have just a pile of fat next to your steak it's good hey everyone if you need a little extra help getting started on a carnivore diet and my online resources that I have for free aren't enough for you you can go to www.how carnivore docomo challenge where you'll have online Resources Group support weekly Zoom meetings as well as the ability to chat live with myself Simon Lewis and the others in the challenge who can help you and support you and give you extra advice and help you along the way away so if that sounds like something that would be beneficial to you then please go to how carnivore docomo yeah you're you're um opening my eyes here I feel like there's this whole universe I haven't explored yet I always thought that to gain muscle in the gym I needed to supplement my meat with extra calories to hit my calorie intake so peanut butters avocado oil MCT oil cream cheese stuff like that but uh I never thought of going to the Butcher and asking for the extra fat I mean that sounds like another perfectly reasonable way to get the job done yeah and you know what I found I I've never found it easier to put on muscle than when on a cornivore diet yeah even even so six years ago when I sort of came back to this and went like oh wow that's what I was doing you know in my early 20s I was keto at the time not not because I was I was doing it consciously but I just I was doing humanitarian work in Bangladesh and I'd been in refugee camps for you know for months and and just you just eat whatever the hell's available right so there was I don't know if you heard but there was um there's a a refugee crisis in southern Bangladesh they coming over from Myanmar um you know formerly Burma because there was a there's like a full-on genocide there with the rohinga people they killed like um couple hundred thousand people in a month and a half and about a million people fled into Southern Bangladesh unofficial numbers but they're finding more mass Graves as we go so the official num is going up higher and higher and so I I went over there to help because it just really wasn't anyone helping you know it was very dangerous Isis was very active in Bangladesh at the time and people were just like you know not my problem and so I felt even more compelled to go because no one else was going and so I came back and I just been sort of eating anything I was trying to get back in shape and and I just felt pretty crummy when IID eat carbs I just had more back pain and joint pain I was like oh God that just makes me feel horrible when I eat these carbs okay when to go for a couple days without it I don't have any back pain anymore okay but I was trying to SL down yeah so I just naturally went away from it and so but I was trying to slim down and get back into rugby and so I was eating lean meat and not much of it and I was eating a lot of veggies you know and so like you know kale spinach and broccoli and I was eating a ton of those and and not a lot of meat and I just never felt good I was like okay well it's going to take a while I'm out of shape haven't played like a full season in three years so it's going to be going to be a while till I get back um and then you know I had my aha moment that that plants weren't my best friend and that was actually really good for me and meat was really good for me and so I I just cut out the the greens and started eating a lot more fatty red meat and it was just it was just lifechanging I mean like overnight I I lost 23 lbs in 10 days and then just started you know shredding fat and stacking on muscle and two weeks into it I just felt so good that I went back out and started playing highle rugby and and felt amazing you know I was at a dead Sprint the whole time on my first night out and that's why I was keeping up with everyone midseason who were all you know that so the mlr the major league rugby is now the professional league in America that was the first year of that and so my team in Seattle who won the first two years of the mlr um that was the first season and so I went back and was was playing with them so these are these are full on professional players in their 20s I'm 38 you know I played professional rugby for 10 years but that was 10 years ago and uh I was super out of shape I felt amazing you know I was just at a I was I could keep up with everybody it was just at a dead Sprint the whole time and uh and so you know I just felt felt great and that was just just from getting rid of the of the greens and that made a massive difference and then increasing the amount of of meat and fat in particular that made a huge difference um as far as muscle growth is concerned and just in general Health you know what I've what I've sort of come to realize is that your body can per when you're eating the right thing that and not complicating it with carbohydrates and different sorts of things it will derange your hormonal hunger signals like blocking leptin blocking or and up regulating grillin and um leptin is our satiety hormone insulin blocks that Sugar also blocks that so does alcohol and sugar and alcohol also upregulate gin which is going to tell us that you're hungry and you need to eat more as well and so you overeat it's very easy to overeat and so you're not doing that and also lectins these different sort of plant toxins can actually bind to the insulin receptors five times more tightly than insulin so that's something to know about too in the ketogenic space is that a lot of these lectins can actually still act on insulin and lower your ketones and start derang fascinating yeah and um and start deranging things in a similar fashion to insulin even though you're not eating any carbs and so you know some people find when they drop all of that they get even more Improvement um on on just a a ketogenic carnivore diet and so when you're when you have all those other outside influences away and you're eating your biologically biologically designed diet your biologically appropriate diet which I think a corn diet is uh your body tells you how much to eat it goes by taste you eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good you'll go every bite will taste slightly less good because you get sort of negative feedback and eventually won't taste good at all and so at first it tastes amazing and then by the end of the meal you're like oh it doesn't really taste good anymore or that you get that bite that sort of tastes like cardboard it's just pretty bland that's your brain telling you we're good now you can do you can overdo it you can force yourself if you keep eating it'll actually start tasting bad and you'll start getting physically revolted and people talk about how they get nauseous and they have to force themselves it takes two hours to finish I always tell them like well actually you were done eating two hours ago your body was telling you don't eat this you're done and I find that when I'm when I'm lifting weights and working out I can put on muscle at 44 easier than at any other point in my life except in my early 20s when I was doing this um far easier and it's always lean I I never put on any fat anything like that it's just lean lean body mass lean muscle mass and it's it's very easy but my appetite naturally increases so I may not be able to eat as much because you know just stomach capacity so I'll eat you know two pounds two and a half pounds of like ribeye and I'll be like that's that's enough for me but then I'll wake up in the morning and go like I want another one and so I'll cook like another ribey chop it up put it into a container and I'm generally like eating it with a fork in the car or like if but I'm I've been known to be a bit more brutish and actually like just just have the steak and just like and food you know driving in the car is like a hand steak but T-Bones are really good for that you know Pro tip you just hold the bone it's like a meat popsicle and you just sort of eat it off like that um so do that and so when I'm when I'm able to eat enough if I'm you know if I'm working out and I'm able to eat enough slam on weight so you don't you don't necessarily need to have an excess of calories a caloric excess because excess means you're going to put it into fat you know it's it's Surplus to Demand right you just need enough and your body will tell you you your body will tell you how much you need and so you just eat until fatty meat stops tasting good and you if you're working out you try it twice a day and and you'll you'll slam on muscle you you eat twice a day if it's yeah if I'm working out yeah I have to eat twice a day yeah yeah you know you go back to the Mongolians you know genas Khan the Mongol horde they were carnivores they at horse meat drank horse blood and fermented Mar's milk and they would go sometimes up to 5 days without eating just ravaging the countryside which is a huge Advantage because they didn't have cook fires or anything like that you know out so no other armies knew where the hell they were because you you tell where an army was by all these like fires and Camp cook fires and smoke goinging up they had no idea they had no idea where these were all of a sudden bam they were on you and you were in trouble and uh they go like 5 days without eating and they need 10 pounds of horse meat and do it again you know they might drink blood you know during that time as well but uh yeah you know you just when I'm when I'm lifting weights and my body wants to put on muscle I I will have to eat twice a day if I'm not able to eat enough I won't I won't put on as much weight yeah you're right if you're not getting enough building blocks you're not going to you're not going to be able to build up the structures but you I I find that uh my natural hunger signals will will tell me where that is and so you eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good and if you're working out you try that at least twice a day and some people be fine with once a day but most people need twice a day if they're really they're really challenging themselves to put on a lot of muscle how did we get this uh this uh five meals a day 35 grams of protein each and uh carbs for your workout thing and bodybuilding oh God it's just let me turn my light on my it's getting dark here yeah it's wild right yeah I mean I was sold a huge bag of Li Lies when I started lifting I didn't even think I going to be able to put on mass doing a keto diet when I you know when I was 185 pounds and I put on 30 pounds in the last in the last three years doing the keto diet and I would watch these YouTube videos and they'd be like yeah like oh keto you're like you're you're not going to gain any muscle you need carbs to fuel your workouts you need you need glycogen stores and all this nonsense and but then I would as I started to gain strength in the gym and my my lifts improved and I was just thinking myself how how is this possible that all of these influencers and fitness YouTubers and bodybuilders and strong men are telling me that it's impossible to do this on a ketogenic diet but yet I'm I'm getting mass and strength in the gym I was eating a lot I mean I still do but um it's it was really frustrating for me when I started when I was actually doing this successfully and my friends would tell me no bro this isn't going to work for you you know what I mean yeah well you know that yeah there's there's a lot of Bro Science there and and some of that stemming from previous misconceptions about biochemistry you know back in the in the Golden Era of bodybuilding you had Vince Ganda and and things like that he was he's called like the iron Guru and you he trained a lot of the early Mr Olympians and he and the guy was just absolutely jacked I mean his pictures of him like in his 50s just just looking like a statue you know he did carnivore steak and eggs steak and eggs steak and eggs and he went back to you know same same way I'm what I'm doing looking back what have humans been eating you know since time in Memorial and someone even asked him said oh well there's this new diet that come out there's new diet books that come out what do you think about it and he said I haven't read a diet book by anyone who's been alive in the last 50,000 years you know that's I look at you know I look at what people have been doing you know since our since our Origins as humans um but one thing he did do was was once a week he he would carblow and that's what he thought he said yeah you need you need to replenish your liver glycogen and the only way to do that is with carbs so one day a week you eat a whole bunch of carbs and that's what he thought because that was what that was what the bio biochemical thinking was at the time and so now we know that no you don't need to eat carbohydrates in fact there's no such thing as an essential carbohydrate you make all the glycogen and blood sugar that you need you don't have much you there's only about four grams of uh blood sugar in your body at any given time it's not much it's only four grams and that runs all your physiological processes of your of your body organs and brain and so it's really not all that much so it's easy to make and uh and you do make it you make liver glycogen and muscle glycogen in fact there are studies in athletes and human athletes is not like animal studies showing that that in a ketogenic State you actually replenish your muscle and liver glycogen faster from your own body fat than athletes who are sucking down sugar water you know like Gatorade and things like that so it's actually better as an athlete you actually get more glycogen so you know that that could be where it's from you know people like Gonda were very influential but even he only ate carbs once once a week you know he was eating just just steak and egg steak and egg steak and I don't envy that guy once a week just load him up and then you're depleted for the next six days yeah yeah you know it take yeah it takes days to get into you know ketosis and all that sort of stuff again so yeah um then surgery you can never get keto adopted you're just like starting to get keto adopted six days in and you just flood your system with carbs again that's it sounds unpleasant yeah I mean you look it's it's probably better than eating carbs every day you know but um it's just like drinking once a week is better than drinking every day but uh yeah no it's it's not uh it's not going to be good for you but yeah you make you make your own glycogen you make your own ketones and you know that's what people forget oh you have to have carbohydrates to put on muscle our our muscle is muscle made out of carbohydrates now is that did I miss something you know and no it's protein you know you need protein in fact cholesterol um all your hormones are made out of cholesterol testosterone estrogen progestogens mineralocorticoids glucocorticoids all these things are all made out of cholesterol vitamin D which is also a steroid hormone is uh synthesized from from cholesterol as well and and so you know you need cholesterol and in fact there there are studies that came out I think two years ago that showed that dietary cholesterol intake was an independent U marker for for muscle growth and hypertrophy you needed that just like you needed intakes of of protein um I think the reason another reason why you know in the era of the mass monsters all these carbs and doing this dirty B they're bulking up oh we're getting all look at all this muscle and put on you have to have carbs to put on all this muscle it's not muscle it's um you store because blood sugar above four grams is actually toxic to the body it actually starts damaging you this is what kills diabetics is having that just one extra gram going up to five grams instead of four grams that that kills you over time and um it's called glycation those glucose molecules little Rings they physically fuse to other molecules uh called glycation and that permanently damages them and this is why diabetics end up breaking down and deteriorating having to get their feet amputated and their legs and their kidneys fail and their heart fails their brain fails Alzheimer's are being called type 3 diabetes now and uh and then they die right and that's all from one extra gram of glucose in your body it's that that's how how toxic that is past that level um so your body is desperately trying to keep this down and so it's it's important enough for your body to get that blood glucose down under four grams that it's willing to slam up your insulin and completely derange all these 100 plus different mechanisms in your body because that right there is is the acute emergency is having that high blood sugar so now you're just stuffing the this blood sugar in every single different orifice in your body so you build up fat but you also put fat where in your in your stomach sure yeah but you also stick it in your muscles it's called myosteatosis this intramuscular fat it's a you know that that sort of fatty marbling so you can think of it's human marbling same thing we do with cows how do we how how do we marble them we give them grains we give them carbs right and that causes that intramuscular fat that myosteatosis it also causes uh glycogen deposition in the muscles and one glycogen molecule attracts two water molecules and so now you've got muscles that are stuffed full with glycogen and they bring water with them and they've got fat and so now you got these these bulky looking muscles but there's no muscle in it I mean there is muscle but most of it's fat water and glycogen and then they bulk up like wow look at all this muscle I gained and then they go ketogenic like a lot of these bodybuilders will then just do like lean protein and they they won't even have the fat and they'll just cut out carbs and just basically have protein which is not good for you you don't want the majority of your energy coming from protein you need it from another source even if it's carbohydrates but ideally fat and um and then all that goes away so now they're getting rid of the glycogen they're getting rid of the we and they're getting rid of the myosis and they're like oh yeah we lost I lost like you know 40 pounds of muscle 50 pounds of muscle like no you didn't that wasn't muscle in the first place that was all this fake stuff and so that's what people think and so they think it's like oh have these carbs and you bulk up so much faster no it's not lean body mass you'll lose that you know that's during the bulking phase and then you have the the cutting phase and you get um and you get you lose a lot of that muscle it's not muscle it was never muscle in the first place and so you know when when we work out it's just muscle it's just lean body mass you know especially you're just eating just meat you're just putting on lean body mass so when I when I work out and I I push myself I can I can put on muscle very easily and it's all muscle it doesn't go away you know when I when I change up my diet or do something different it just it just stays there and so it's very stable so it's which is nice you know because I don't always have the you know like I said you know my schedule a bit out there so I don't always have a chance to go to the gym and so it might be weeks or even months between gym sessions and but everything stays the same I just I just maintain you know my physique which is a lot better than it was before even just eating a very clean omnivorous diet mostly ketogenic because I never really ate a lot of bread and pasta when I was cooking for myself it was generally meat and some salad because I felt I I had to because people you know just say like oh you have to do that I'm like fine and um could not could not stay in shape without working out you know even you know after two weeks out of the gym two weeks out of you know playing and training I would start softening up putting on fat losing muscle and that was just that was just with vegetables mostly you know maybe some carbs here and there but I would I wouldn't really think about it you know because I wasn't I wasn't avoiding them strictly at that point um but I just tended to eat really clean anyway and and I would I would get out of shape whereas now I just I stay pretty much the same doesn't matter how long I've been out of the gym it's pretty amazing that's amazing um man I would love to talk to all night but I gotta get off the screens here it's getting to that hour here in uh wores man the West Coast yeah this was super super fun I learned so much I really learned a lot oh good man well you know um I really really appreciate you coming on happy to talk to you more about this if if you want you know sort of you know off air and things like that you know if you have any questions and um but you know I just really appreciate you coming on man because like you know mental health is a is a very very uh serious issue that uh affects so many people and and a lot and like you say you know there there has traditionally been a stigma for that and people uh can feel quite self-conscious and um you know embarrassed about talking about it so I really appreciate you being brave enough to talk about your experiences with it and and um you're talking about how your your recovery with it how much better you you became as a result of your dietary changes because that's going to go out there and that's going to help other people and that's going to encourage them and uh give them the incentive uh and the and the courage to really try this themselves and and so I really appreciate you you stepping up and and um and helping with that thanks man of course it's all about showing the next person I mean I know how terrible some of this stuff can be so when we have a solution like this that works when we have a treatment that anyone can do I mean this doesn't you don't this doesn't take a doctor this doesn't take a prescription it's um yeah it's my obligation to share with the world which is why I share the story as well well that's great man I appreciate it um well Matt thank you so much um can you you tell us you have social media anywhere else so people can find you follow you and and find out more not really metabolic mind is a YouTube channel where we're we we have all the information if you want to get started with this yourself and Dr Brett Shar runs that he does a great job Perfect all right well I'll put uh links to that down in the description and uh people can check that out um if they want to learn more Matt thank you so much it's been an absolute pleasure sure hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast and if you're on YouTube then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I 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