1 Million Strong for Cancer: Metabolic Therapy MISSION- with Jeff D & Kerry Mann!

because of the carnivore diet and because of fasting I'm I'm actually in the best shape of my life right now in terms of where I want it to be I don't think I don't think it's necessarily anything uh to worry about when you're when you're in on a carnivore di you're in in the metabolic State you're going to be in any way when you're fasting and so it just sort of slips right in your body can uh know tell you can mobilize energy appropriately bring can see the leptin just you know and the amount of fat that your body has it's like okay you know we're not dying we're not starving yeah thank you and I'm I'm an a I'm an athlete and I am a big fan of a d so it works out but me and my sons we watch so manyy videos of yours we know this is one of your favorite hats so I'm wearing it for you today and I'm also wearing I'm also wearing this shirt because this is this is huge you you did a video um I think a few weeks ago wearing this shirt or may even last week and you said your sister bought it for you and when I when I first got diagnosed uh with my stage four cancer and I have I have like a team team Jeff and it includes my sister uh my sister and my brother-in-law and they support me in being a carnivore so my brother-in-law bought me the shirt so my shirt came from my sister too just like it did yours so I'm just I just want to say I'm wearing it for you tonight and um yeah and you know I I'm not I've gone through life uh my entire life as an athlete and from a you know from my teenage years all the way into my Varsity athlete years and I I constantly um adore and have admiration and mentors in my life uh in terms of athletes like like Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant I have soccer players like Roberto bados alesandro delpo stuff like that that I totally like I follow what everything every word they say and when I started my journey about 18 months ago um and I started the YouTube world and like you have become um to me and and my sons uh you're my Michael Jordan in my life right now and um I'm super excited to be on with you and I'm just I I can't wait to ask you all these questions um but um so yeah that's just I just wanted to address that first uh Carrie is that okay that's perfect thanks Jeff yeah Dr chaffy maybe if you could just I'm sure you don't really need any introduction but for those that aren't familiar tell us a little bit about yourself and your background uh yeah so yeah my name's Dr Anthony CH well thank first of all I just want to say it's great to meet you Jeff finally I obviously heard a lot about you I've seen the videos I've been I've been looking forward to talking to you as well I'm really glad that you're doing uh so much better uh with your conditions that's awesome first of all and thanks Carrie for setting setting this up um yeah I'm I'm an American Medical Doctor you know traditionally trained but I just happen to uh be interested in diet nutrition um from an athletic point of view and I I went down sort of the carnivore path about 20 some years ago randomly because I I learned in college just how toxic plants were and so I had a professor that was just like yeah don't eat them they're not good for you uh they're they're they have defenses and they they don't want to be eaten like any other form of life does not want to be eaten everything has a defense and plants have chemical defenses because they can't run away like a cow or bull or or an ostrich or something so um I just stopped eating at that point I felt fantastically better I remember thinking to myself am I missing vitamins and I do I need to eat a banana or something like that and and I felt really good and I said okay well I feel good my gums aren't bleeding so let's just ride this out see what happens and so I you know wrote it out for five years I've never felt better in my entire life and I sort of slipped off of it after that and then about six years ago now I sort of rediscovered that and found that no humans actually just are carnivores it's just the kind of animal that we are and that's what I was doing and that's the period of time in my life that I've never felt better in my entire life and so I said okay let's look into this what's the science behind it what's the research behind it what what do we know what can we prove Pro and I've you know since discovered that like the the majority of chronic diseases that we treat are really just come down to eating the wrong thing for our species and when I apply that to medicine as a doctor I see absolutely miraculous things happening to people I mean it it really sort of feels like you know one of those people back in the 1800s like you know Dr whatever's like you know magic serum you know cure all sort of whatever um but but this does actually seem to help a lot of people and and when you delve into the biochemistry and the physiology it makes sense why that is it's really interesting why that is and so I've just been doing that more and more and applying that to my patient population when and where it's appropriate and I've Just Seen absolutely amazing thing I've seen diseases that were here to for thought to be maybe still thought to be in the mainstream completely uncurable that this this cannot be uh eradicated it just has to be managed and so we're in the you know medicine is about a is a disease management model now it's supposed to curing disease and getting people well it's now just everyone's got diseases everyone's G to have diseases and we just sort of manage them as best we can until people just finally just give up and die and that is not how humans are supposed to live that's not how uh the medical system is supposed to work and so I've just been trying to uh get this information out there so that that people can take control of their own health again and not just manage their illnesses until they die but get well and be healthy and and actually have a a nice wonderful happy productive life that's great yeah in terms of carnivore healing people across so many different diseases and ailments and things like that I found it to be incredible too that's why we're doing the documentary but the whole cancer part of it has really come to the Forefront after I met Jeff and started talking to him more um I always thought cancer was just something we just we don't know why it's genetics it's this or that and then Jeff uh put me on to Professor sea freed in fact I watched your video Dr chaffy you did with him as well as many others and then I started learning more about cancer as a metabolic disease and I'd never really heard that before I've hearing a lot more on Carnivore about uh metabolic Health as well my whole life I've been scared of cholesterol and meat but I've never heard anything about metabolic health and it seems to me it's much more important than anything I've ever worried about before would you be able to tell us maybe a little bit more about uh cancer as a metabolic disease and and what that means and why it's important yeah absolutely so this again you know comes back to our bodies not working properly when you're putting in the wrong input so there are a lot of things that that we can eat or do we have different genes like thax disease that in creature uh risk for cancer these damage the mitochondria we have different carcinogens in either industrial chemicals or or environmental toxins or foods that we eat you know the different uh plant toxins some of these damage the mitochondria you have linolic acid omega-6s which we you need it's an essential nutrient but in very small doses after you exceed that it starts damaging the mitochondria and other things does other things as well and all of these things obviously do other things only they don't only damage the mitochondria but but the commonality between these carcinogens is that they damage the mitochondria and the commonality between Cancers and Many metabolic issues like schizophrenia even you know Professor Chris Palmer at Harvard showed that you can improve or put into permission serious mental health issues like schizophrenia major depression anxiety bipolar OCD even ADHD and improve autism uh by by putting people on ketogenic carnivore diets and improving their metabolic system and function in mitochondria so from a cancer perspective it's very important because a common trait in or or pretty much a universal trait in cancer cells is that the mitochondria are damaged and that's a hmark of cancer is that their mitochondria don't work properly so they have to go to alternate alternate forms of of energy uh production so it's substrate level phosphorilation so you're getting glucose and also glutamine that's another fuel source uh for cancer cells is glutamine and that can be phosphorated in the substrate in the cytoplasm without the mitochondria but it's it's pretty inefficient and since cancer cells have a very high metabolic demand and they're inefficient at making energy they have a massive increased demand for these nutrients so they need about 400 times amount of glucose as normal cells and they can't run on ketones which your normal cells can and that that's just a Hallmark of of the mitochondria being damaged another reason that this is important for cancer in particular is because you know people maybe they've taken Biology uh to whatever degree um they may have heard that you know there's different genes and different things that that can police the cell if it's if it has all these mutations it has ways of fixing that if there are too many mutations it builds up and says nope this is bad we need to kill this cell and they can what's called apoptosis which is which is you know programed self- death so the cell just says no we need to die now or your cellular immunity like your nkt cells natural killer tea cells can identify cells that they're acting funny and zap them or maybe trigger them to kill themselves or Munch them themselves um the problem with that is that the mitochondria are actually the ones that action that apoptosis so you can think of the mitochondria is sort of like the sailors on a ship I mean they're not just sitting there making energy they're actually running up and down the mass and the rigging grabbing ropes and and actually driving the cell and so when they're damaged they can't do that properly so your cell doesn't work properly first of all second of all they're the ones that action apoptosis so even if the signal goes out and says hey shut it down it can't happen if the mitochondria are damaged also the mitochondria are the the policeman and the limiting factor for cell uh growth and replication so cancer is unregulated cell growth and division that's that's definition of tumor and cancer and things like that is it just it's unregulated growth it just grows grows grows grows grows grows grows and it can't stop itself right and so that's what the problem is you get all these aberant cells and different tissues damaging those organs and and eventually you die of organ failure or from the chemo things like that or an infection because you've blasted your immune system from the chemo things like that but it damages your organs and that's so it's just growing these lumps of cells in your brain or in your heart or in your lung heart very rare in the heart but different sort of organs and they and they cause harm and they get metastases all over your body and then you know you're in trouble so that's the mitochondria as well they are stopping the cells from just rapidly dividing and going crazy so you damage the mitochondria you can't it can't kill itself and it's growing out of control so that's what cancer is and so if you understand the the cancer biology if you understand the cellular biology then you you're going to be better able to treat the disease obviously if you're if you're if you're thinking this is purely genetic and we just need to like stay away from genetic changes and once you have genetic changes that's it you know we just have to use chemo or radiation or something like that to just damage the the DNA enough that it that it it cannot keep going uh sure you know that does work I mean we do have chemo and radiation therapies that that do put people into remission some cancers very successfully so and others not so much but it's I think the the reason that we have such middling to poor results with most cancers is because we're we're not addressing the root cause we're thinking this is a genetic issue only and in fact it's a metabolic mitochondrial disorder and so if you address it from that point of view you you will have a better shot at fixing this and this is why the simple dietary methods that Professor Cy has pointed out with this ketogenic metabolic therapy where you're just you're just starving the cell of energy can be successful and and at least an adjunct to standard of a because we've seen in studies in 2019 2020 that people on a ketogenic diet in a state of ketosis or fasting as they go through chemo and radiation have better outcomes with keto chemo and radiation so it sensitizes the cancer cells to the Chone radiation so you get better effect there and it also protects your cells your your your native cells from uh the chemo and radiation so you get you get you get through it safer and it and is more effective on the cancer which is great um keto metabolic therapy addresses that metabolic root cause and since they need 400 times the amount of glucose pretty easy say like don't feed it glucose right so we we know this as Doctor we've known this for a 100 years actually it's called the warberg effect from a Nobel Prize winner uh Auto warberg who did what 50 60 years of research on this before he passed away and and this is this is that idea that that cancer cells require 400 times the amount of glucose because they have damaged mitochondria now he theorized that they had damaged mitochondria but we didn't have electron microscopes at the time and naysayer says oh but you there are no there are no damage to mitochondria so there goes that it was good theory but you know it didn't actually turned out to be true you know we have we have electron microscopes now we can see it it's completely gutted uh mitochondria they're just destroyed and actually a lot of of cancer of cancers don't have any um DNA damage or or mut mutations at all so what the hell is that right so purely genetic why doesn't why don't some of them have genetic changes and others if you have a tumor the different cells in there they all have different genes but they all they all display uh you know malignant Tendencies right but they have very different genes and something that that sea freed show which is QED my book is that he took uh the DNA like the the nucleus from uh cancer cells put it into normal cells with normal cytoplasma and mitochondria and they did not behave as cancer right so so so took so took the the nucleus from cancer cells with all the the genetic changes of cancer saying this is cancer put it in this otherwise healthy cell didn't behave as cancer took the mitochondria out of a cancer cell put that into a normal cell with normal DNA it did behave as cancer and in in fact the ones with with the faulty DNA they were actually able to clone and replicate them into like mice and frogs and things like that the other ones just died off it couldn't they couldn't do anything with them and uh and then if you put healthy mitochondria into a cancer cell it suppresses the cancer so that's that's pretty pretty clear evidence uh you know from a you know lab sort of uh point of view that this is this is the mechanism this is what's going on is that it's metabolic mitochondrial issue um and so you address it differently and you we know as doctors that you give someone a pet scan right we're looking for different metastases throughout the body what do how do you do that how why do you why you see different points in the body light up or not it's because we give them an injection of radiol labeled glucose and you see where that what sucks up the majority of that glucose right and there are parts of your brain that that will suck that up too and that's normal but then you get these hot spots even in your brain or in other parts of your body and and you say like that's not normal and so that they're sucking up tons and tons and tons of energy uh in the form of glucose so obviously we know that that that is is a thing now one thing that OT warberg didn't know was that they also can run on glutamine and that's something that Professor SE freed show and his team showed later on and that together with OT warberg um work really you know puts sort of a much stronger case together on this because that was sort of the missing link that warberg didn't know about but now did very very well describes what's going on and then and then the treatments work as well there was um doing there are studies in humans with ketogenic metabolic therapy quite a lot places like Cedar Sinai Medical Center in the US one of the top medical centers around you know they they've been using this for you know over a decade uh to treat their patients already and now these are sort of third thir line fourth line sort of things and people have failed treatment after treatment after treatment and say you know what well there's this other thing you could try and then they do it and they actually have better success with that than they had with all the chemo and radiation in many many cases and they published case reports and published case series and now they're doing phase two trials um with you know trying to trying to get nearly 200 people with Glu blastoma brain cancer showing this but the human the human trials are um coming you know there's some with you know like triple negative breast cancer and and colon cancer all all these other sorts of cancers that you know have had certain success other things with brain cancer still coming along but there's a lot with you know animal models as well and there was one the thing is that that GBM and and this perfectly illustrates seaf Freed's theory is that GBM take up about 75 or get about 75% of their energy from glutamine and so only 25% from from keto so even or from uh glucose so even on a ketogenic diet you know it's not it's not going to have necessarily as much effect because you're still getting the line share of their energy from glutamine which is ubiquitous I mean it's in every protein it's in plants and animals and we make it you know so it's hard to sort of avoid but uh he had there are medications that can interfere with glutamine metabolism so using these in in preclinical uh trials with mice and something called Dawn do which is sort of an abbreviation for a long chemical name and they had four four groups there um of mice one mice M Mouse group was or rat group was given just child that's just a normal feed that they give these mice in in the lab um and one was given calorie restricted ketogenic diet and one was given Dawn and one was given both Dawn and calorie restricted ketogenic diet and and it just stratified out exactly as you would expect if indeed you know cbr's theory was correct which is child group died and they give them implanted equivalent of gbms in their brain and they uh the child group that just ate normal food died pretty soon after they started displaying symptoms the keto group uh lived about twice as long as that the dawn group independently actually lived longer than the keto Group which would make sense because that's the the majority of the energy that the cancer getting is from glutamine right and the group that had did both U Cal restricted keto and uh the the dawn glutamine metabolism interruptor they didn't die at all they all survived every single one survived and they did Imaging of the brain and most of they all had shrunk many of them had completely disappeared couldn't be seen on Imaging and when they sa you know did an autopsy and looked at the brain they found just dead there just there's just clumps of dead cells so that that really is very strong evidence on preclinical basis and will that work in humans well it has been we have we have quite a lot of um studies or even randomized control trials in humans with GBM and many other uh cancers as well the GBM ones they're smaller sort of you know like 20 to 30 sort of people um so we need bigger ones however uh preliminary clinical work and certainly the pre-clinical work in the lab is is extremely uh promising and so this just all lends itself to that theory that this is a mitochondrial metabolic disease not a genetic disorder thank you Jeff I know you have some questions so I'll turn it over to you oh thanks thanks Carrie and thanks uh Dr chaffy um I'm I was just totally a struck with your explanation there Dr chaffy and I think I'm going to have to rewatch this uh a few times because I am really start on my journey I've been really trying to understand uh cellular uh biology um more and more every single day and it's kind of funny because you know I'm I'm a high school fed teacher but when I first started uh 21 years ago I taught half fed and I actually taught half grade n science and part of the curriculum here in Ontario was was cellular division so I I do uh understand like very Elementary is uh biology when it comes to stuff like that but I'm learning so much uh on this journey and you know I was gonna I have a bunch of questions here and Carrie I'm going to go off script a little bit here now now that I listen to to Dr chaffy I'm Gonna Save that million-dollar question to later I was going to start with it but um Dr chaffy I have a good friend uh his name is Dwight and he's uh he's an indigenous fellow and he's the one that has been directed me towards you and uh many other doctors and Dwight he's he's very ancestral when it comes to his diet and what he's taught me and the one thing that he taught me is that uh insulin is the growth hormone okay that uh and and and I'm I'm trying to uh reduce my insulin and I'm trying to be in the state of ketosis to starve cancer as much as possible could you could you maybe just expand a little bit on what insulin does to tumors um along with I guess glucose uh just some that up hey everyone I hope you're enjoying this replay of my YouTube live if you'd like to catch a live version and ask your own questions please go to the next scheduled one usually every Thursday at 6:00 p.m. Pacific Standard time all right see you then and please enjoy the rest of the Q&A um well I mean insulin forces energy into into all cells right so it's it's a it's a it's a story hormone it's an anabolic hormone even bodybuilders try to use this for anabolic purposes you're forcing it does for it does put protein in your cells also puts carbs and everything else so we when people have insulin secreting tumors for instance they become extremely obese very quickly uh because it's just everything's just getting stuffed into their their fat cells and then you have the opposite of that which is type one diabetes where your body stops making insulin they get extremely skinny and all the fat just melts off their body and they die at the end of that too so it's um it's it's that's that's its job you know it it it forces energy into cells so if you're if you're you know that's going to be the case with with cancer cells as well I haven't delved too deep into like you know the relationship between insulin and cancer cells however it's uh you know it should you know obviously play with that same Paradigm or it's forcing energy into the cells it's forcing energy into cancer cells and so you're higher your insulin levels you're just promoting more energy being stuffed into those cells and glucose being stuffed into those cells as well and also insul importantly insulin suppresses uh the mobilization of fat so insulin forces energy into cells it doesn't allow it to come out of cells and so now you're suppressing your body's ability to make ketones and so you're going to be stuffing a whole bunch of energy and glucose into cells and you're going to be you know your blood sugar is going to be dropping you're going be feeling miserable you're going to have to eat more carbohydrates as well which is then just sort of fueling that so you're just going to be keep stuffing more and more and more and more and more glucose and fuel for that cancer into into your body which is a really big negative and so it's it just sort of perpetuates um you know that that cycle of just just pumping more more just pouring gas on the fire uh over and over again so I mean that keeping your insulin levels down is is actually very important in that that that sort of Paradigm it just goes hand inand with that because what sepret has shown is that if you get your gki which is your glucose Ketone index as low as possible you know that that gives the best outcomes in animal models and human uh case studies case reports case series and the uh small trials that we have on like gpms in particular and so that's um that's something where you need your glucose or yeah your blood glucose level is lower and your Ketone level is higher insulin will will sort of yes put your glucose levels down but also put your Ketone levels down and because your Ketone is low and your glucose is low then you're going to have to eat more glucose because you need to need to have some energy or you're gonna have a problem so it ends up having these blood sugar spikes and so in fact your your average gki actually goes up right because even though you're having insulin which will drive your your blood sugar down you get too low you have to like feed it again so you end up getting these glucose insulin SP you keep getting that and your keton stay very suppressed and so your gki stays High which is which is not what you want and so that's that's you know if you look at the case studies and the case reports uh of the different people whove tried this and lived you know years past where they were supposed to with with some very very serious diseases they they always do best when their gki is low and then you know they get different problems and they can't really H they they sort of start slipping out of that and that's when you you see their gki start going up and that's when you see them start having problems and then uh and then unfortunately pass away some of these cases but a lot of people are still alive with these here to for thought to be T terminal uh diseases terminal cancers so um that that's a bit overun I'm not an expert on on just insulin as well but that's sort of the broad Strokes no no thank you you Dr shaffy that that no that helped explain it a lot and you know I I've been wearing a glucose monitor on the back of my arm uh for the past 18 months but thanks to Carrie uh because in Canada we don't have the uh keto Mojo So Carrie sent me the keto Mojo and I've started uh now that uh that gki ratio that you speak of that c fre created I I I I'm starting now to monitor it and understand that I want to get that gki as low as possible so I think um my next step is I got to get my fasting insulin uh test done uh more frequently and uh I'm working on that because uh my naturopath doctor he's he knows I want to attack it like a metabolic disease so I'm trying to Corner it as much as possible from that aspect um my next question is uh again this is going to be a Dwight based question because Dwight's the one that introduced me to the carnivore diet and he did so uh because he knew knew um I need to keep my vitamins and minerals uh optimal especially especially with going through going through chemo and cancer um and having that and because our species and you mentioned this many times um we're lacking uh digest digesting the fiber so we're lacking in terms of uh of getting the vitamin minerals in all the time so my you know my question to you is um you know Dwight has put me in on this ancestral type of diet I guess uh for a certain reason and I guess this can lead in this can lead into my million-dollar question towards you that that that I was going to ask you at the beginning uh Dr shaffy if if you had if you had what I had and I se you did a four-minute video a couple weeks ago on this so I just want to reate if you had stage four colon cancer which I have which I don't think I've mentioned kri I went off topic that I have stage four colon cancer it's fully metastasized to the liver my my liver is fully covered I'm inoperable I'm incurable they they've classified me as terminal terminally ill what type of diet would you do if you had exactly what I had uh I would I would eat absolutely nothing else except fatty red meat probably two to one grams of fat to protein I would absolutely not eat anything else I would get grass fed and finished if I could and I would I would daily probably twice daily check my uh blood ketones and blood glucose and keep my gki level at least below two and Endeavor to get below one uh if possible and um and uh you can do that with a with a combination of diet and fasting so if just eating that way wasn't enough and there was lot a lot of these studies uh that CED has um has done shows that the calorie restrictive heated genic diets do work the best and so I would I would restrict what I was eating maybe I wouldn't eat until I I wanted you know just didn't taste good anymore like I normally advise people to do like I normally do myself I would see what that was doing to my gki and I would eat the amount that kept my GK gki low below two and hopefully below one and if that wasn't enough I would I would have periods of fasting uh one of the benefits of fasting is a your ketones tend to go up and your your glucose stays very nice and low uh so your gki goes low and and you can you can very easily keep your gki under one on a carnivore diet with intermittent periods of fasting but also what it's doing is is you're not bringing in any glutamine either right and so glutamine has has a role to play and it depends on your cancer as well so if like I had a GBM I'd be very on top of that because I would I would want to limit severely limit the amount of of glutamine that was around and um it's going to be an any protein Source but you know it does exist in meat as well but um so if you just sort of limit that there's no I don't have any proof of that it's just me sort of thinking out loud of like well maybe that would be good just having these periods where I'm limiting I'm not bringing any glucose but I'm also not bringing any glutamine I'm making glucose I'm making glutamine however there's not more coming in and so maybe those periods might be beneficial so fasting however long needed to keep my average gki down below one that would be uh what I would do is from from a diet point of view and then if it was something like a GBM I might look into what other sort of medications that might interfere with glutamine and if I could get my hands on Dawn i' probably take it um but that's not licensed for these sorts of cancers at the moment I believe it was originally licensed for like leukemias and lymphomas or something like that but um at the moment it's still an animal animal models only we haven't been able to get human trials for it yet but that's what I would do oh Jeff Jeff you're not coming through you muted or something is that better now there we go thank goodness and I was just saying um I'm kind I was smiling there with your answer because I was really embarrassed because the first 30 seconds when you're answering and this is what happened something happened to my computer and my headphones went out so I couldn't hear your I couldn't hear the first 30 and then I obviously got muted there so but then I I I clued in to the end I I somehow turned my headphones back on and I got it going so um you started talking you were talking there about obviously the carnivore diet is what you would do I that's what I caught and um fasting was huge and thank you I feel like I'm doing something proper now because um you know it's kind of it's it's so backwards um you know they say the carnivore diet red meat causes colon cancer so like I think some thank you some of my some of my followers not not just my followers but even my close close relatives maybe even my friends they're like I don't know if they think I'm a or something like I'm sorry to say my language there I know if that's allowed but like I have stage four colon cancer I've been doing the carnivore diet for 15 to 18 months I'm thriving my energy level is great I'm fasting um so I think thank you for supporting me on that uh Dr chaffy and the fasting thing is quite interesting because yes you talk about sea and I actually just did a video right before I came on with you guys for my subscribers I wanted to be five minutes but it ended up being 17 minutes my son helped me do it it was on it was on fasting and my experience with fasting and I I mentioned uh certain doctors that have taught me things about about fasting I mentioned uh Dr Walter Longo from Italy who also I've been following quite a bit about fasting and the cancer the cancer patient on fasting but uh you reiterate and you make me feel good when you tell me about the benefits of fasting um and I'm I'm GNA be embarking I I do a five-day fast uh my cheemo on a Wednesday um I sto tonight Sunday night because I got I got my 33rd round of chemo coming up this Wednesday I stopped eating tonight I think I'm going to have a couple pork rinds with my sons after I'm off with you with you tonight um we had a good dinner we had a good weekend of eating but I stopped eating tonight and I don't eat till Friday now I'm going to do something different this time because I actually have a very important scan coming up uh the following week on the on a Monday um so I'm gonna push it to an eight days an eight day fast I I'm I I was talking to Seaford about it um you know he says there's a lot of benefits to suppressing glutamine when you get from that 7day to 14 days fast so I'm I'm hoping uh Dr sha maybe you can maybe say I'm doing the right thing here in terms of not only I'm trying to keep the inflammation down as much as possible for the CT scan but I'm also trying to get the benefits of of of something like mitophagy and uh suppressing the the glutamine as much as as I can um leading into that CT scan hopefully yeah no I think I think that that's that's bang on I mean there was a guy Fred everard who I had on the podcast took that down that was my first that was my first video I watched actually the one with Fred oh really yeah 18 months ago you did one and Dr Berg did one I think as well with him yeah yeah correct yeah and and YouTube decided that didn't mat meet with the uh who uh theories on cancer so it had to get taken down which is funny because it was just Fred's personal experiences with it we weren't making any claims it was just this is what happened when I I did this and this happened next and so it's it's yeah it's it's very strange but uh you know he fasted for I think 21 days straight uh when he first got that um that notion to try that and his colon cancer he was stage three at that point sort of a late stage three and it uh shrunk in half in those 21 days so it was just right off the bat you know that that showed him like okay this this can work and so so he was very um diligent about that um he then had he then put into remission about four months later he had a recurrence but he's now put that into remission as well again basically doing the same thing so and he had surgery as well this time he didn't have it last time so um I think that that fasting is is something is very beneficial especially because of that you lowering the gki you're just getting you're getting that down right below one generally you need to refeed you know you don't want to lose too much weight your body needs fuel you can't you know you don't want to hurt yourself in that regard either so you know you got to sort of do what like the gasan the Mongols did which is you you just go around uh scorching the Earth for five days and without eating and then you just eat like 10 pounds of meat you know and just chunk back up uh so you can run on that um and so yeah it's it's um you know get like ionizing radiation all these sorts of things actually are improved when you're in a state of ketosis and deep ketosis you have high ketones and low blood sugar uh that helps you so if you're getting you a scan like a like a CT or or x-rays aren't as bad it depends on the one some some x-rays have a lot more radiation than others and so you know you protect yourself from this ion ionizing radiation um when you do that as well and you know the longer you go you're just sort of fasting not bringing anything in you're going to lower the amount of glutamine in you know you could you know the other thing I was sort of thinking about was that you know you could even try um cooking things well done and just I mean say I don't want to do that to a steak but you could do that to like a slow cook you know I mean maybe not smoking maybe just putting in the oven like a brisket or something like that and it's well done that's going to denature most if not all of the glutamine as well so you can have you can have your steak and eat it too right so it's it's um you know so can you can get that that that nutrition those nutrients and and not flood your body with glutamine at the same time so that's something to think about um in the future but no I I think I would do the exact same thing I would I would honestly fast for as long as I comly could which is a lot easier on a carnivore diet I would refeed I would not try to lose tons and tons of weight you know especially if if you're already lean you know because you don't want to hurt yourself you know that can hurt you to too and so I would I would eat a lot maybe like a five- two sort of thing like you're talking about not eat during the days of the week and then you know have a a whole you know have a lowl on the weekend or something like that eat a whole pck and so you know that that's exactly what I would do and if you have a big scan coming up you know why not wait for it and and protect yourself from that ionizing radiation and you know if sea freed is saying that that that can further improve uh your glutamine levels and glutamine metabolism by going to that 8 to 14 days I would be all over that and so I would even consider if that was if that was what he was saying I would probably consider doing like two week fasts at a time and and then eating you know refeeding and getting back up to you know a good good weight and health and then doing it again you know I don't know exactly how that was that how that would look but it would it would I would base it on how I felt how much weight I was losing how much weight I could put back on and and how I was doing with it but um you sort of have to throw everything in the kitchen sink at these sort of conditions situations so you just sort of have to do everything that you can and um uh that's what I would do I think yeah that's awesome thanks Dr chaffy I just I just learned a couple things there from you and it's going to especially with the you know the cook in the meat and and suppress some of the glutamine uh if my brother-in-law is watching he makes a killer bris brisket so I'm hoping he's watching this right now and he's can make some brisket when I'm eating um in terms of what you're saying about uh doing a more prolong fast I'm ready for it and that's why Carrie I think you're ready to support me on that with my eight day fast and I think and Dwight's been telling me Dwight told me for a long time he says he would have did a 21 day fast by now and um you know I have to build up to that and I think I'm getting ready like I'm getting ready to do like like you said that two week fast uh you know breaking it up with like bone broth maybe here and there and stuff like that um I have so many other questions uh that I think maybe L at a later date like I don't know how much time we have with with Carrie tonight and chaffy I've got unlimited time I've got I've got a while so I I don't have um anything until for for an hour and a half two hours so got well we won't go that long but um I I have more questions about myself uh but the one thing I'm gonna I'm going to come back to right now because you know with me um as a teacher and I'm off right now but I'm volunteering as a coach still you know I've been doing that and trying to get exercise as much as possible exercise is another thing I'm trying to do to fight cancer and my my two sons uh Peter and Dante um working with them and raising them as uh Peter's a 15y old and Dante is a 13y old and they they are both uh they're both athletic very athletic um like they both want to be a professional athlete uh which is kind of cool that we're on with you because you didn't mention earlier that you're a professional you were a professional rugby player and I think that's so amazing that you now can uh you can talk about your experience you know as a carnivore and an athlete so my question is to you I'm going to start with just the the pre-teen the pre-teen thing the pre-teen teen adolescent when they're growing is carnivore something um that is beneficial uh because my two sons have been especially Peter the older one he's been pretty strict carnivore for the past like he's been along with me probably for the past at least 10 months uh 12 months um that he's joined in um he started ketogenic obviously and he's more a strict carnivore and same with my son Dante is there is there some good benefits is there something is there something that we need to be aware as as parents um the dangers of being carnivore um you know obviously uh I don't want to put my my kids at danger or even when I'm talking about my experiences with uh with youth and the kids I'm coaching uh you know I'm not pushing anything on anybody but I'm I'm just talking about my success is there any dangers that teenagers and grow Growing Kids uh you could shine on or just expand on no I I don't think there's there's any dangers there's only benefits when we're developing when we're growing we have um you know limited window of time to to grow and develop properly to our genetic potential and so if you're not giving yourself perfect nutrition you're not going to develop as well as you could now maybe it's very close maybe it's good enough but you know is that what you want for your kids do you want good enough you know and you as a human being do you want I'll be good enough or do you want I want to be the best that I possibly can be I want to be the best athlete I can possibly be I want to be as tall and as strong and as smart and as athletic and as fast as I can possibly be well if you do want that then you need the best nutrition that you can possibly get and we only have one chance at at development none of us developed our genetic potential unfortunately you our mothers weren't carnivores you know pre-conception during pregnancy and breastfeeding we weren't raised as such uh there are people that are doing that now and the kids are sort of off the growth growth charts and developmental charts and so that we're going to see some some you know superheroes coming through uh you know the Matrix here pretty soon and um which is why I sort of think I need to start having kids more or less soon because like if if this trend catches on then they're just going to be you know in the mix with them right now you have you know kids that are developing to their potential they're going to be six inches taller 50 pounds heavier you know and and half a second off their 40 time you know so it's like you know you want to get in on that now when there's a massive disparity you know when when other kids are not are just growing up normally right and so no there's a huge advantage to this uh you know for for kids you know earlier the better but you know at any stage in life it's going to improve it you know I've improved my health car's improved his you've improved yours we're adults we're not going to develop again but our but for what we've developed into our our bodies are optimized and optimizing whereas your kids have you know an unparalleled opportunity to actually improve improve the rest of their life and actually change the person that they would have been and so I mean I would kill to go back to their age and start eating this way I'd be again six inches taller and 50 pounds heavier I'd just be a bloody superhero and you know you even with my frame and everything you know I wasn't I wasn't the biggest guy ever but I wasn't small and um you know and and but when I was on carnivore my athleticism was I don't it was just it wasn't it wasn't uh a comparison between myself and and other people you know because I I I put a lot of hard work in but because of what I was eating I got a lot out of that hard work and so my my growth as an athlete was a lot faster than others during the same season because I would just get in much better sh shape much more quickly and then I could get further and further and further so I was just leaving everyone else behind on my team and other teams I was just I was just in obscenely good shape and so I could put a lot of effort out onto onto the Rugby field as a result of that you guys can do that now and you can you can not only get that performance now but you can you can get further development you know their brains are going to be bigger they're going to end up being smarter and they're going to be taller and they're going to be faster and they're going to be more athletic especially if they're actually putting in the work and if they want to make you know uh you know a professional level in in their given sport then obviously you know they're motivated and so if they're motivated and they're putting in the work and they're eating right it's going to be ridiculous absolutely um I'm so impressed with the way you answered that Dr shaffy um and I know like upstairs right now my sons are watch they're lying that and they're they're watching this and they're cheering and I hope I hope my sub I hope the parents of the kids I work with are watching this um Dwight has been saying to me right from the start especially when I got when I got into it he's like Jeff if you get Peter and and and Dante onto this he said exactly like he said he's like it's it's almost like you're cheating it's like you're it's like it's you're yeah the rest of the kids are gonna fall behind and Peter and Dante are just going to thrive and you're absolutely right and I you know I'm I'm a proud parent and you know I'm just just going to say my son Peter uh you know he's in grade 10 last year in grade nine he had a 96% average he got 100 in math um he plays the he plays the highest level soccer you can in uh in Canada right now he he his stamina's through the roof he plays 80 minutes a game in in fed class couple weeks ago they do something called the Beep Test like we we do that all the time right and in a grade 10 class and in the gym at the same time there was the grade nines grade 10s grade 12s and they're all watching these kids at the beep test Peter got the highest score out of everybody in the FED classes I was getting a text message uh from his fed teachers that he got a level for over 14 or like 14 and a half test yeah so he's thank you he's thriving and I'm I'm I hope he doesn't mind that I'm bragging about him I'm gonna tell him to come down in in a little bit um to say hi to you so if you don't mind and and you said and you said you said that you wish you knew this like when you were growing up like you'd be like a superhero uh Carrie I think we just Carrie and I describe you as a superhero every day like Dr Dr Anthony shaffy and I'm sorry I you know I just you know I I talked about how we admire you so much and you're just you're so you're so fit and you're you're so like even for the fitness world and athlete world I want to thank you because I you know I I watch you every I watch you as much as possible to learn from you and I'm and I one you're welcome and I and I um you know even though I have stage four cancer I think car we've talked about this already um because of the carnivore diet and because of fasting I'm I'm actually in the best shape of my life right now in terms of where I wanted to be when I when I I was a varsity soccer player uh for two universities and when I left playing soccer and I entered the the the career world we I did did what I I did what everybody else did it got a little bit thicker a little bit thicker a little bit thicker and even as a Fed teacher I thought I was in good shape but I think I was too heavy too thick and you know it's a blessing right now for me that I I that I have stage four cancer because it's made me it's forced it's forced me it's forced me to get in the best shape of my life and you know I want to thank you you're part of that so thank you well you're welcome and I'm really glad that you're you're doing so well is then as an extension you know helping your family as well because that that's amazing you know you mentioned that this is sort of like cheating it it really almost is because it it actually improves your hormones in your body so much to the point that other people would have to take exogenous steroids and hormones to achieve the same results and while you know one person is taking in you know steroids and boosting their testosterone levels um this doesn't just boost testosterone levels it boost growth hormone and optimizes insulin optimiz your energy production and metabolism and and so many other hormones that go down the track but you know I have spoken to many athletes and I've had patients that I've seen this directly so I have patients that are nonathletes that are elderly 60 70 years old that massively increase their testosterone levels as as an older adult and don't need to go on you testosterone cream or maybe they've been on testosterone cream they feel so good on cornivore they come off of it and actually they a rebound of their testosterone this is something that can happen whereas people think that if you go on on um trt if you're taking it in responsible physiological levels um it can actually rest your your organs right and so so sometimes you can actually produce more afterwards because you're sort of just giving it a Break um if you're going way overboard then you can severely suppress that but um taking response but you you don't necessarily so I've seen that I mean I don't like that sort of stuff I I like people do doing things naturally and and I've seen it work naturally so I don't really like that sort side of things but there are people that do this and it can help in in a lot of circumstances especially if it's very very low I've had patients that have been on uh testosterone replacement therapy and they feel so good on a cornivore diet that they come off of it and their levels are you know decent levels um you know for their age and then all of a sudden they jump up 200 points you know uh a couple months afterwards when they come off the testosterone right because now their bodies just sort of kick in and and it starts making it even more or people that have never been on testosterone and it just doubles their their testosterone athletes so I have uh I've had Ryan talet who's a NCAA division one All-American to cathete right two-time All-American and he just uh got third in the pan games down in Chile and you see pictures of him uh he was sort of like a skinny little kid you know running and tracking I super skinny and then he's at Michigan State he's a scholarship athlete but any he was sort of decent shape and now it's and now it's before carnivore now after Carn dude is yoked he's absolutely shredded and jacked and he's his performance is just going through the roof his uh testosterone he said he wasn't really feeling well at Michigan State and he was just like what the hell's going on so he went to see the doctor team doctor and he like ah well you know all your Bloods are fine testosterone's good you all that sort of stuff it's fine he's like well I don't feel fine so something's obviously wrong and so he he decided to go carnivore to give that a shot and start feeling amazing and they checked his testosterone a year later and it had nearly double it went from like 750 which is great number it went to 1150 right and so that that's really like taking steroids he doubled his testosterone levels doing nothing else and to fact to the point that that the team doctor was like oh that's a that's a big that's a big jump you know you might NCAA might uh might get worried about that you know if um you know that he might be taking something and wouldn't you know he got a random uh drug test the next week and they tested all his hormones and it was all perfectly IM balance so no that was his body doing that they're oh okay great everything's fine but you know that's just you know that's a a a division one scholarship athlete that now just doubled his testosterone I mean Jesus that's that's going to be amazing what those uh what that's going to do and growth one was going up and all these other things are going up so you know and um and there' have been other other people as well that you know doubled their testosterone levels as a top level professional athlete um you know this guy um you know plays plays rugby on for like a Houston I think it's Houston saber cats and but anyway down to Texas and he played in his US national team rugby team players dire so he um really cool guy had me on his his podcast he said the same thing he said that his his testosterone went from like 550 up to 1150 so his more than doubled so that's a massive massive massive Advantage so your your energy Dynamics are so much better you just have Boundless Energy you can just go go go you can recover nearly instantly you don't get sore and now your testosterone levels are just slam up through the roof I mean it's just going to kill people you know it's like it's almost not even fair but you know it's um you know it's something that do see other top athletes doing now in the professional in the professional realm there are a lot of rugby players in Australia that are doing bar of War diet some of them just under the table because they don't want they don't want other people knowing the secret they they want that Advantage because it's a free advantage and it's a legal Advantage so they don't have to go out and do steroids and try to cheat they can do this now get the same better results and uh and no one knows about it and so they want to keep it that way they don't want other people to know about it and um and there's a there's this soccer player from the Netherlands or something like that the dude is Holland is that yeah he grew like five Ines or something like that in a year he like yeah went total animal based meat based he only eats meat he shot up like five inches and became like the Superstar and he's still like 20 he's still like 23 years old right now so he's he's like he's kind of still growing like it's unbelievable yeah yeah which is crazy so you know I mean that that's you know perfect of that I you I would say as well oh I was going to say about the bleed test um we did sort of a modified ble test when I went back on cornivore uh I was at 38 and like two weeks into it I'm like I feel amazing like I'm going out I'm playing rugby again like this exactly what I'm doing I'm just gonna hit somebody and so I went out and and start you know my team in Seattle had you know had just gone fully professional it was formerly in the top leads in the US and Canada but then uh then the Major League rugby started so now they're fully professional and they won the first two seasons of the mlr and um so this was the beginning of the first and so I just come back from Bangladesh I was doing humanitarian work I was not in any good shape I hadn't played a full season of rugby in three years and so not what you would call uh you know in my Prime and two weeks on a corner board died I felt so good was like yep going out playing rugby and I was I was I was thinking I was like well this is what I was doing for those five years I could just push myself at a dead Sprint all the time and I never wore myself out let's see if I can still do that and I could it was still I I was like oh maybe I should you know just ease into it I'm like no screw that screw easing into it just go full on and I my body responded it was great I I was just step for step with all these guys who've been training the whole year and uh were you know 10 15 years younger than me and um and and playing professionally right so I felt great right about two weeks into it we did a modified bleed test sort of a variation of that um I came in sort of the top five or 10 out of 92 people on the team just on diet I hadn't I hadn't run in probably a year you know I hav't really been in shape in three years and just with my diet I was able I was able to come in uh at a high Mark just just because of how good my body felt and I was out of shape and I was I was port you know that be good thing I had a lot of excess weight and but I I just felt amazing and I was able to I was able to do that and I got in better and better and better shape you know after that um exercise is really good for cancer as well um you know there's different sorts of um studies looking at Hyperbaric um Chambers and things like that and that how that can help um with cancer I was talking to my friend Dr Paul Mason who was telling me about there was actually studies that if you just um you know push yourself and you know get your heart rate up and your and your and your you know um metabolic rate up and you just pushing yourself on exercise actually get the same benefits that Hyperbaric um Chambers will will provide you so um you know you may not have access to a hyperbaric chamber you may not have access to the right kind does it have to be specific uh specific kind um but you know everyone most people should hopefully be able to have access to exercise or in the physical condition that they can exercise not everyone can of course but you know someone like yourself you know that exercise is is only going to help yeah awesome thank thanks Dr shaffy and my my natural path got me on to exercise Dwight's got me on to exercise um I've been doing a little bit of heat and cold therapy and Dwight has been aare Dwight's been bugging me to get the hyperbaric chamber going right and I just got to find uh the right uh Wellness Center that has one um close by and I think I'm going to be adding that carry to the regimen right yeah absolutely hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor cornivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys hey I just wanted to add one thing too so we're talking about carnivore for cancer but Jeff mentioned this earlier and this was just truly remarkable to me he said he's never felt better in his entire life he's as old as he's ever been of course he's going through stage four cancer and he just did his 33rd round of chemo and he is not like exaggerating I just spent five days with Jeff filming we couldn't keep up with him it's just incredible and Dr chaffy you said earlier when some when you get something like this you have to throw the kitchen sink at it and that is precisely what Jeff is doing um one of the things that I I just if we could just take a minute I just wanted to show this uh Jeff and I are working on this after interviewing Jeff and then several other people that were diagnosed with cancer one common thread that I keep seeing is they say that they're diagnosed with cancer and then they're told go do chemo and that's it they're never told about metabolic therapy or the other like 10 things that Jeff has in his toolbox they're just told about chemo and then Jeff tells me I know I've repeated this story many times but it's just drives me ins saying that he goes to chemo and the hand out cookies it's it's so backward so Jeff and I put together sort of this initiative after we were talking to Professor caed I said said to Professor C I was like how are we going to change this I'm not and and I'm not saying like if you get cancer you should do what Jeff's doing I'm just saying why not have additional Tools in your toolbox like metabolic therapy or exercise or fasting and the thing that Chef's doing and every single person I've talked to which has been quite a few uh that have been diagnosed with cancer they're not told about these things they have to just slip into it or have a good friend like Dwight tell them about it or happen to follow one of Dr Cha's videos so Jeff and I uh after talking to Professor CED said uh this is never going to change unless we take it into our own hands it has to be grassroot we have to get the word out there so uh the other thing that's remarkable with Jeff too is he has his whole regimen I spent five days with him and his regimen is incredible all the things he's doing and just the fact of having a plan versus no just do chemo and just you know go do whatever you want having a plan seems like such an important part of all of this uh but he had to make up his own plan so we put together this page um it's still kind of a rough I'm sure it's going to evolve over time but it's a cancer action plan and it includes Jeff's regimen just as an example and again I just want to reiterate we're not telling anyone what to do we're just saying if you get cancer Maybe here's another tool in your toolbox so at least you have the option to decide versus just only having uh chemo so if you guys don't mind I just wanted to share this real quick it's just a little two-minute video that that Jeff did um and there's a link and and just before I do that real quick there's links in the description for Dr Cha's Channel and for Jeff's Channel anyone that's watching my channel I highly encourage you I know I'm a broken record but I think I'm going to say it every time we talk to Dr chaffy we have to elevate good voices like Dr chaffy I carnivore has changed my life forever I never would have started if it wasn't for good doctors like Dr chaffy sharing their uh videos and research and and stuff like that online because yeah it's it wouldn't happen it wouldn't happen for sure so I'm gonna I'm gonna share this here real quick there's a link for this in the description uh below as well oh and Shout out too K can see that okay there we got Maggie and Mac uh Dr chaffy I think Maggie was in the comments earlier I'm not sure they were going by so quick but Maggie if you're in there shout out and I gotta say thank you to Maggie uh she just sent me some beef jerky in the mail and it was fantastic Emma and I crushed that whole thing today Maggie it was wonderful uh so this is this is the website healing Humanity for the carnivore diet documentary and it's pretty cool we got some pictures on here actually from last week with uh Dr Tony Hampton and Dr chaffy there's Jeff and myself in a bathtub in the lower right there uh I got there and Jeff is like uh Carrie we got this whole agenda with like 20 things we're doing together and this is just a day in the life of Jeff because he has all these tools in his toolbox and his regimen and this was the first time he did a cold plunge and he said Carrie I got it for two you're doing it with me I'm like I guess I'm doing it with you then so we did a we did a three minute cold plunge and just real quick story that picture I texted that to my wife with no explanation whatsoever and it was was the funniest thing ever she was like you need to come home right nowy hey Carrie yeah I got a buddy and I hope he's watching his name's his name's Joe uh he's a soccer parent buddy of mine and I had another buddy they both were jealous that I didn't I I don't know it's kind of weird they're jealous that I didn't go in the tub with them but I me I meet you for the first time and I'm I'm a bathtub together yeah tell them next time all right yeah so so real quick I just want to show this so this is there's a link for this in the description jefff and I have been working on this um I'll just show you this page real quick it's um healing humanity. mov cancer huge shout out to Adam from carnivore today for setting all this up we filmed this video with Jeff last week it's just a quick two-minute video and our goal is to get a million signatures for cancer change our goal is clear and ambitious to gather one million signatures from individuals who stand with us in advocating for Comprehensive Cancer Care that includes metabolic therapies and nutrition we just want to have the options out there if you're diagnosed with Stage cancer like Jeff here's some other options and I think this is the only way we're going to get the word out so um this doesn't cost anything we're just hoping to get a million signatures and show like how important this is and then besides the signatures we have this whole cancer action plan um we have five steps in the plan and then there's links out to resources including for example the video that Dr chaffy did with Professor caed uh several other videos and links to Professor CED if you're if you're just diagnosed with cancer you know what metabolic therapy is there's videos for that we have an example regimen from uh Jeff this is these are the 11 things that Jeff is doing uh for cancer besides fasting and carnivore he's got other things he's doing and then we've got a bunch of videos here this is from um cancer evolution. film uh we had Brad on with us with professor caed and these are all cancer thrivers and their stories of using metabolic Health with cancer and there's some incredible videos and stories there so this page is going to grow but we're really hoping that if if you everyone that watching right now if you agree with this statement that we should have more choices If you're diagnosed with cancer just options more tools in the toolbx uh we hope you'll sign this and share this and uh here's just a quick video that Jeff did hi I'm Jeff I'm fighting stage four cancer when doctors told me I was inoperable incurable and only had months to live my world shattered they pushed conventional treatment as the only path until I found metabolic therapy and created my own regimen learning about Professor Sea's groundbreaking work changed everything I learned you have to question everything imagine my hopelessness when after chemo they handed out cookies knowing full well cancer thrives on sugar it was as if I was drowning and my trusted Rescuers tossed me an anchor cancer doesn't have to mean hopelessness discovering metabolic therapy as an additional tool in my regimen revealed the power of a natural proper human diet it gave me strength chemo became more bearable I've outlived my prognosis my quality of life has drastically improved and many others thriving on metabolic therapy also our goal is human our goal is to ensure every cancer patient is presented all the options and all the tools this declaration is the first step too often only the profitable treatments are offered my story and the story of many others thriving on metabolic therapy are more than anecdotes they are proof of what's possible if you you believe in a full spectrum of options for cancer treatment not just the profitable ones then stand with me sign the Declaration raise your voice and demand that Humanity returns to Cancer Care together we can bring hope choice and life to everyone in this battle the link to our declaration is below along with our cancer action plan including metabolic therapy resources videos regimens and more if you know anyone touched by cancer please share this and help us reach 1 million signatures so our voices can be heard all right thank you guys for letting us show that I will put a link there's some people in the in the comments asking there's a link in the description and I'll put one in the comments here too in case anyone has question so thank you U jefff I think you had some more questions so I'll um I just you know I don't want to take up too much more time I think I I have a ton of questions like more like maybe uh like the pressure pulse and Dawn and and this and that but um I think I before because it's a school night I I I kind of want to just bring uh if they're listening my son's down to meet uh Dr chaffy I don't know if they're listening up there uh if Dante and Peter could come down um in the meantime time I I was just thinking uh I just checked up my YouTube channel too uh and there was all these there was all these questions um that came up and by the way Carrie I I also want to say um you you said I helped you like you did that whole website like I I made that video and you helped me with my script I don't know I I didn't like listening to myself I kind kind of sounded angry angry there but I'm not I'm just I'm just trying to be passionate I think about what we're doing and it's all it's all pretty much uh you Carrie you've uh this how much of a good friend you are and Anthony chaffy too I I know you guys are are super super busy um like Dr Anthony chaffy you're you're a you're a neurosurgeon and my got my my sons are about to just come on but just hold on guys you're a neurosurgeon um you're I don't even know how you have time uh for YouTube uh and everything you do and even tonight you're making the time for for me um and for Carrie and I and I really appreciate it and I and I know like like you're not doing this to make money none of us are doing this to make money I'm not I'm not on here I didn't start my channel um like this is not this is not I didn't do this for the Jeff show um I'm doing this to help others and I know that's what that's what Dr chaffy and Carrie that's what you guys are doing so I just want to say thank you so much yeah guys come on hey hey so this is uh other side guys be on other side and kind of Duck Down duck down this is pet this is Peter oh sorry this is I'm backwards here on the camera this is Peter he's 15 say hi Peter and uh this is Dante Dante Dante Carrie do you want Dante to say his thing yes Dante go for it come on he said this when we were visiting and we cracked this up say it nice and andar are trying to kill you plants are trying to kill you that's that's guys duck down a bit more duck down a bit more that's uh that's Dante get on his camera a bit please uh that's his favorite when you say plants are trying to kill you um that's Dante's favorite and I don't know uh my like I don't know how you feel about this this has been the best interview I've done um I've done one with with Baker and he was super awesome and I did one with sea and Carrie and them and this is um I'm hoping that and I don't know uh Dr sha if you're up for it if you're up for doing another one with me and definely and my and my son and my sons because I think I really want I really want to help others understand the benefit of having Dante come on the screen where are you uh of having uh teenagers and picking the proper human diet for your teenagers um so I think I we would love it if we could join you at a future date uh for for a little podcast definitely that would be awesome that sound good Peter yes yeah and I don't know if did you hear me bragging about you uper little all right I hope you don't mind so we're gonna we're gonna kill some pork rinds in a little bit I'm just going to finish off with these guys sounds good okay good good thank thanks Dr sh yeah no worries hey we got aw it'd be great to do uh you know another podcast yeah kind of kind of like kind of Base it a I have a little bit more questions for you but more mostly base it as like teenagers that are carnivore um and just kind of getting the word out a little more athletes athletes yeah yeah what whatever you like man that'd be awesome that'd be super awesome thank you awesome um got a couple super chats here Brett who's your carnivore $10 thank you Brett uh he said I believe doctors like seaf freed can change the way cancer is researched and treated but how do you think that change will come about with so much money and current entrenched treatment methods yeah well that that was what cfre was saying um you know sort of Jeff mentioned earlier that that it's not going to come from a top down approach you know they're not going to give up the cash cow you know we have to do this ourselves so right now the Paradigm is you know here's a problem here's a pill and so that's how you get taught in medical schools like oh here's blood pressure there are a couple things that you can sort of see a few chromosoma or you know renal artery stenosis those other sort of things that you can sort of address everything else got God knows what's causing it and so you know here just take a pill right and so that's a lot of things in medicine it's just uh we have no idea what's going on here's a pill and so that's um that's that's driven by the pharmaceutical companies though right because they're coming up with problem they're coming up with the solutions that are being come that are being um discovered are from the drug companies that their their business model is to provide uh you know product right so they're they're putting in millions of dollars that's billions of dollars into research and obviously they want a product at the end of that right so this isn't just you know just doing research on the goodness of their heart saying okay what the hell is underlying this how can we just stop it because you know you know when you're when you're trying to invest in a a in a company you don't just want your money just to go to to altruism like you know that's for Charities right so if it's if it's the major majority of money is coming from industries that develop products and so of course that's what we're going to get and so they have products they have products to sell there's no products here this is just a method of of treating the underlying C now you could you know different medications that affect glutamine you know if they get on board with that that would be great I'm happy to pay for that product but it's um you know it's just a different Paradigm so it has to be a Grassroots movement it has to be from education it has to be uh from independent researchers like sea freed who are not trying to make a product at the end of it who are not trying to you know are not working for a drug company or something like that um sea freed was saying that where where it's going to come down to is if uh once people figure out how to make a business model you know treating cancer without a bunch of chemo and drugs and things like that that's when you're going to get that's when it's going to really sort of take off outside of the Grassroots movement because there has to be some sort of pro profit incentive profit motive at the end of it or else no one no one's going to do it even in even in um you know places with socialized medicine you think the places with you know government top down medicine they'd be all over this and you say hey we don't have to pay $200,000 a year on chemo and surgery for our cancer patients like great sounds good you know let's go with the cheaper option most things are you know let's go for the cheaper option even if they're not as good of an option um for some damn reason they they don't want to hear about about it but that's because you know they're bought and paid for by these these drug companies uh as well you know and so that there's there's conflicts of interest there so um it's difficult and that's why we have to you know do do talks like this that's why we have to educate people and we have to have independent researchers like Professor cfre uh like Dr Hugh from uh Cedar cyani who's who's putting together that uh stage true trial on or phase two trial on on GBM with ketogenic metabolic therapy that I mentioned earlier um Dr Hugh hu I believe that's how you spell it and so that's that's what you have to do so it's it's a slower process because there isn't a bunch of money behind it you know it's like it's like just there there's a lot of money behind the pharmaceutical side of things because they make a lot of money so they're trying to push that product they're trying to push that narrative and and it can help you know there are people that put cancer into remission which is amazing and that's fantastic but it's it's not it should be mean we've dumped trillions of dollars into this and you I mean Cancer should be just gone you know if you if we were putting trillions of dollars into researching what the hell is actually causing this and how to treat it from a baseline level like sea freed and auto warberg were doing um I think we'd be done by now you know and as CED points out you know animals in the wild really don't get cancer you know whales and elephants they don't get can they massive animals tons of cells lots of things can go wrong and why don't they get cancer um one article said that well they have they have more of these uh transcription factors things like that that that repair DNA damage that's what it is but but cancer isn't a problem with DNA there's a problem with mitochondria so what's what's happening though they're be they're feating the things they're supposed to eat that's what's happening and you know animals that don't eat what they're supposed to eat those are the ones that get cancer like dogs and cats and domestic pets that aren't eating what they would normally eat in in nature so you even vomer stefanson wrote a book called who believe was like is cancer uh a disease of civilization you know because he wasn't seeing any cancer rates in the innuit and these native populations that were just eating what they were designed to eat just didn't happen then you look at throughout the 20th century um the in the Inuit population in Canada it was just like these 20e segments like these very low cancer rates in the next 20 years like a little bit higher a little bit higher a little bit higher a little bit higher as they became more um uh you know in you know involved in in Western uh society and started eating more Western food and more people started going away from their traditional ways of eating and living started smoking a lot more things like that so you know that's that's the thing you need to it has to be ground up it's not it's not going to ever be topped down at the moment but I I think we're gaining ground you know there are more and more people that are coming to this there are more and more doctors that really do want to help their patients that are recommending this to their patients at least as an adjunct at least as something they can do as well as as um on top of their current therapy because I mean why not you know why why as an oncologist you know it's one thing to say alternative therapies and say like oh well let's not go down that road or whatever because they're thinking tinctures and herbalists and and you know Homeopathy and crystals and like no no not doing that but you know they should understand that there are these dietary modalities that can help I mean this there's 100 Years of evidence for this and so you know them just saying and and a lot of oncologists just simply don't know and you don't know what you don't know and i' I've had many patients and many people come to me say they ask their doctor or their colist is there is there anything I can do sure eating differently this that and the other and they say no it doesn't matter you whatever you want okay what about alcohol yeah drink whatever doesn't matter it's like okay basically you're gonna die it doesn't matter enjoy your life you know while you can because you're going to die nothing you can do can change that it is such a defeating statement you know it's it's such a horrible thing to tell somebody doesn't they're done shaffy uh Dr chaffy I just want to say you're totally right and I and I see this with my own eyes uh every other Wednesday um and I listen to these cancer patients around me attach the chemo and I hear them talking and not all of them have the same oncologist my oncologist is really good but I've heard oncologists shut them down with diet shut them down with supplements sh them down with everything uh going to a natural paath doctor shut everything down and then and then I also hear like I hear cancer patients say uh Hey like this one guy he was saying to the nurse can you can my wife doesn't want me drinking beer anymore uh can you write me permission to have a beer and and she laughs and and she says you know what just have a beer once in a while like and and I'm thinking in my head I'm like this is so backwards like we're not we're not preparing these people to live in these cancer clinics we're we're we're just preparing them to to say okay I have what I have uh you know what the chemo is going to maintain quality of life for so long and just just just eat the way you want and just drink alcohol like like like you know tone it down a little bit but just drink it because you know what your life's almost over and I just I I I just it's it's horrible it's terrible it's backwards car Carrie's done many videos on how this is all backwards and yeah you totally covered it there Dr shaffy talking about that hey guys I don't know um Terry like I'm so you guys got to teach me this streamyard and this YouTube channel because I'm I got looking at my YouTube I got questions coming in I I don't know if I'm seeing all the questions I I just want to apologize to my subscribers that like I don't think I'm you know I'll try to write them down afterwards and then when I go back on with shaffy a later date I can maybe answer some of them yeah I'm trying to cover the super chats um but there's a lot of there's just a ton of questions and comments coming through so I don't know if we'll be able to get to all of the all the other ones there's a couple more here Harley for Mike $10 thank you so much huge shout out Dwight garlo so generous so so awesome gifted 10 Homestead H memberships Dwight you're you're the man I'm so glad I got to get out there and meet you that's very generous I don't know how Dwight I Dwight's my best friend you gotta teach me how to do that Dwight I don't even know I don't even know how to like you just G he gave a gift on YouTube I don't even know what that's about right I don't know how to do how do you gift 10 memberships I don't even know that is I was just Googling it myself I'm like how does this work I think people can if the next 10 people that sign up they're they're good I think um that's pretty cool thank you Joy that's awesome uh Dr chaffy I just got to say this real quick Jeff that that dinner this was carnivore Heaven uh Dwight had us over to his house and he's like oh I have a little carnivore dinner he had like I don't know eight or nine crockpots full of like there was like bison meatballs and there was sausage and there was chicken and there was rib eyes it was it was amazing carnivore carnivore Heaven thanks again D I appreciate it Susan E $10 uh she said question Jeff did you look into the Nano knife yes this is Susan from Ohio I think think right uh Carrie that was on Carnivore today that night yes uh he was that last week uh thank you Susan uh the Nano knife and you know I think I addressed it I thought right away it had to do with some type of surgery but it doesn't um I think we looked into it Carrie and it had to do with um some type of like parasite medicine uh that you kind of hit it with like pressure pul I don't know if that's much related to like somewhat like DA's or uh Dr shaffy can you help me with that one I I I looked it up but I just couldn't find um too much research on uh humans doing it if I'm talking about the the right thing here I'm not I'm not sure about the Nano knife thing I do know that there are antiparasitics that um can interrupt glutamine metabolism as well like things like fendol or mendol and things like that and that's something that people have used off label um and you know not generally not with you know doctor guidance and support because it's not it's not something that's been sort of studied and and tested so it's not really something that you you um uh are going to get a doctor to prescribe you but it is it is something that some people use for that that mechanism it's just purely going off mechanistic data so it's just like this this can interrupt glutamine metabolism so that's sort of the idea of the press pulse um uh treatment modality that that c freed uh uses in his lab Lab works is trying to get more human trials going you know the Press is a constant pressure of ketogenic metabolic therapy the ketogenic diet calor restrict to ketogenic diet with um uh keeping the gki below two or one if possible and then pulse every now and then you hit it with Dawn or you hit it with fendol or mbendol and it just interrupts that glutamine use fasting all these sorts of things so intermittent you hit it a little harder and and then you're trying to knock it back knock it back knock it back until it finally goes away hopefully um you know yes I I totally agree with you Dr shaffy and I and I did I had other people asking questions about the the parasite treatment um but Susan I totally apologize I did look it up and I'm just refreshing my mind here um the Nano knife it's known as a form of focal treatment for cancer uh mostly of the prostate but it uses high-intensity focal ultrasound which focuses ultrasound waves on parts of the prostate to heat these areas to kill the cancer cell so I I took I did look it up and I'm trying to kind of compare it to you know hypothermia which I'm currently doing with my with my natural path doctor to to heat up not only the chemo cells but to to to um radio Radioactive waves that are you focus in on the cancer cells that's kind of what hypothermia is um so I'm I'm I'm learning what the Nano knife uh Susan uh if you want to maybe somehow contact me uh we can talk later and maybe you can fill me in a little bit more um if your experience on the Nano knife I think that would help hey Carrie sounds good yep all right Dr chaffy I just had a question uh in terms of uh fasting so Jeff is starting his eight day fast a while back I decided to go along and do Jeff's Fay fast the same time he did and I felt amazing and I've done multiple fast this wasn't just jumping right into it I did a 5-day fast years ago when I was doing keto and it was very difficult this time doing it on Carnivore it was a lot easier for me and I felt incredible and one of the realizations I had was it's like I feel like I do so well on Carnivore because ancestrally this is the way we've eaten and if I think back probably ancestors would have went and hunted and killed a big animal and then feasted ate a whole bunch of food and they probably wouldn't have eaten for four or five days or who knows how long until they could find another animal uh when I did this with Jeff before though some people were like this is dumb you shouldn't be doing this it's not good for you and I I just I felt so good and I know there's autophagy and other things is there anything I need to be worried about because so Jeff's doing this eight day one and I said I'm gonna try to do this eight day one with you now I've done several Fay ones in the past if I start feeling off or weird I'm just gonna tap out and I'm not going to do it anymore but um I don't have uh of course an important reason like Jeff does to do it but I felt so good when I did it before so I'm thinking about doing it again do you have any thoughts on that or is there anything you need to be worried about I don't think I don't think there necessarily anything uh to worry about when you're when you're in on a carnivore diet you're in in the metabolic State you're you're going to be in any way when you're fasting and so it just sort of slips right in your body can uh you know tell you can mobilize energy appropriately your brain can see the leptin which is you know and the amount of fat that your body has so it's like okay you know we're not dying we're not starving um I mean I don't think it's uh fasting is um you know necessary uh when you're not using having having something like cancer or something like that where you need to keep things in in a very tight control um because you're in that metabolic State and so but there are there are people that that like fasting you know like David Sinclair and and others that think that that's really good but you know David Sinclair also eats carbs and he keeps talking about how you need to keep your insulin down you want to have these periods where your insulin is low and that's when you go through autophagy okay don't e carbs you'll always be there you know so you know the majority of the benefit that you get from from the autophagy mitophagy side of things just comes when you're you're insulin is lower and uh and you're in that metabolic state so I I don't see anything um wrong with it if people want to do that um and certainly I think it can be advantageous if um if you you have cancer and you want to keep your gki down or interrupt glutamine um metabolism and things like that I don't think there's anything dangerous for you though Carrie you know because you just you know you're you know you're you're have proper nutrition now so it's not like you're emaciated and starving um and uh you're going to be refeeding and getting more food at the end of it so you'll you'll make up for whatever that is so you know if people want to do this sort of in support of a friend or just because uh I think it's fine you just have to eat eat enough on either end of it I think the majority of benefit you get is is just from eating properly though a lot of this comes a lot of the benefit comes from just not eating things that are bad for you and you're just eliminating that out of your diet got it appreciate it yeah that's the concern a lot of people had they're like you're so skinny already and I after I lost about two pounds and I gained it right back and I don't feel like I lost any muscle or anything I felt great and the incredible thing with Jeff he didn't mention before Jeff you've done this what 30 times or so uh five I you can Pro you know I I didn't start right away um I did uh I just went chemo for the first three rounds but then you know what even on my chemo break over the summer I was doing fast so K you know what you're right in saying like I've done it I've done it about 33 times and you're still the same weight which is just incredible I go I go into chemo I go into like I I I stop eating oh Mario's I'm gonna introduce Mario in a second but um I stop eating uh on Sunday night and I weigh like maybe from an eating week I weigh like 162 163 and then when I go to check in at chemo I'm like 162 and then on like the Friday I might be down to 160 159 maybe but sometimes I'm not I sometimes I don't even fluctuate in weight Mario's just gonna say hi I'm gonna pass it back to Dante um I uh Dr chaffy and Carrie you you know I've never had I've never had a pet in my life um I grew up in an Italian household that uh we didn't have pets like my parents in Italy had pets like on the farm and stuff but we never we just got this dog uh Mario uh like a month ago month and a half ago and he's a puppy and I thought it was going to add stress to my life but to be honest with you it's it's it's lowering stress um I think it's a good thing for my mitochondria uh to be honest with you so I'm really enjoying it I just wanted to say I introduce him to you there and he's actually he's a carnivore dog and I'm gonna do I'm gonna do a totally I'm gonna do a little uh video on Dr Baker taught me uh that they they need to be eating meat as well so I'm going to do that later um there's a qu like I found a good question here for chaffy um I don't know if you can pull it up there Carrie it's from uh at 9:35 uh beater PA beater 9:35 Dr Anthony chaffy you don't eat salt anymore but you do salt uh the meat in the fridge I can you find that one and pull that one up um sure and I just wanted to say uh we like I we read been fine salt me and and my son's everything and uh we do it quite often and there's kind of also to expand on this person's question Dr chaffy um salt is something that's taken a bad wrap for many many years and the more and more I learn about it it it's something yeah there it is there's the the question it's something that even like Old School coaches tell kids to you like don't eat salty Meats uh before performing and don't don't and I'm and I've almost trained uh my sons when they're going to a big competition to do like the shots of of salt uh to get their sodium up before performing for their muscles sodium and pottassium and the so this question here and Dante actually he knows he knows what you're doing on a day-to-day basis for some reason Dante follows you a little more than me Dr shaffy and he said dad shaffy doesn't have salt anymore so he doesn't add salt yeah well you know I've always just told people just salt to taste you know that that's usually enough for most people only about 20% of people are salt sensitive you know to do with their blood pressure and things like that but even if you're just salting to taste even even they will often be fine and so that's that's what I tell people and if you're having problems with your blood pressure certainly you know try lowering your salt see if that's something that that affects it if you are one of these salt sensitive people but it's usually about one in five um so for me just doing that following my own my own advice I just salted to taste and so I would I would salt the meat in the fridge put it on a drying rack that the salt soak in taste thousand times better uh when you do that especially leave it in the refrigerator over night or for a few days it's really really good and I've just over the years just naturally used a bit less salt and a bit less salt and a bit less salt and so still salting to taste that's gone down and down and down until eventually I was just eating meat and I didn't put any salt on it I thought like that that actually tastes exactly the way I want it to and so I've just naturally stopped so I haven't I haven't really salted meat myself in I think about six months now I don't salt my fridge my my meat in the fridge now so I don't I just I just put it in I still cut it up I still put it on racks but I just let it dry without the salt there will I will still have salt that comes in like if I go to you know a restaurant or something like that with people I mean they often put salt on things and um you know might be other people like even even L my girlfriend she mostly doesn't put salt on things sometimes she does and so if she were to put something on then I would have that but I I don't add any salt um there's there's theories behind that that when we switched to agriculture that's when we started needing more mineral salt but um because we weren't getting we weren't getting what we needed from meat and that's when we started going like these salt mines and and extracting salt from seawater and things like that and and that may be I I don't know the full history history of salt it's it's really interesting there's a book just called salt and it it's the history of the world told through the lens of salt I mean that's where salary comes from is salt for salt you weren't worth your salt people were paid in salt right and so um that was a very very important commodity that was actually a currency as well so you know when that started you know is I've been told was around agriculture and then if you're not eating sort of an agrarian based diet that you don't necessarily need all of that um there are long-term carnivores like you know they used to call it zero carb so like zero carb health and zeroing in on health a lot of these people have been doing this for like 20 years now and they and they the original teaching was like yeah you know you gen you don't really need salt either and so a lot of them don't a lot of them don't use salt um some of them do but but a lot of them don't so uh there's a guy named um was it Aly or something like that um anyway his nicknamed the bear and he was uh the sound um coordinator for or sound engineer for the Grateful Dead for like decades and this guy just been eating meat for like 50 years and he died in like a car accident in his 70s but he's super healthy at the time and and he was saying that and so that that's sort of he was a he was a major influence in the sort of the zero carb uh groups early on like 20 years ago and he was saying that about about salt that you actually don't need it you don't you don't want it all that sort of stuff I will say that there are people that I've had like um Nate clipfell who's a powerlifter you know carnivore powerlifter out of Nevada and he started just breaking all these Nevada State records for the clean uh you know no steroid group um weightlifting uh circuits that um Power circuits that and he's just breaking his own records like every every me he goes to he breaks his own records like every time and and he was saying that he would sometimes have like a bit of a spoonful of salt and like drink that down he feels that that can give him a bit of a boost when he's doing like a big heavy you know one-off lift um so that's interesting I mean I don't I don't discount it and I just I think people should just go by their by their personal experiences and if they feel better with a bit of salt and that they think that's giving them better performance on on the day of competition I mean go for it U for me I feel great and um I I don't I don't feel I need it I think that you need enough salt you need enough sodium and if you're if you're eating salt and taking mineral salt maybe your body's excreting more than uh it would otherwise if you're not taking it in maybe you're excreting less but either way you need a right amount and so if your body can maintain the right amount for what you're doing then you know uh then that's fine if you need a bit of salt added in at the time to get you into that optimal zone go for it so I'm happy with people just again just eating salt to taste and and if they find that having a bit of salt and that helps her performance like Nate found then I think you should definitely do that and um you know I might play around with that if I if I ever rehab my knee enough that it doesn't swell up every time I try to run I'll and I I get go back to playing rugby it might be something I might try out but at the moment I feel great just with no Sal great um no Insanity Renee $20 thank you so much she said for all those signing the petition you have to verify your email or it will will remove your name thanks for the heads up there appreciate it uh $ five Super sticker thank you so much random appreciate it uh Justin now that you're a carnivore what are you doing with the greenhouse you built in 2015 it's full of hay it's full of hay for the goats yeah and the garden is looks like a desert the former Garden so that's funny that's what my uh my brother and his wife like because you know she they had this vegetable garden this vegetable patch um and then so I started doing this and and um they sort of know my my views on that so they they changed the name of it from the vegetable patch to the poison patch that's what they call it get some tomatoes from the poison patch you know that's great yeah Dr chaffy terms of um trying to break down Professor sea Freed's work and simplify it a little bit is it fair to say that like you mentioned earlier billions and billions spent on cancer and we're hardly making a dent in it uh is it fair to say that most cancers are a result of if we really really simplify it I guess chronic inflammation damages the mitochondria the chronic inflammation being just eating these wrong Foods sugars and Seed oils and poor nutrition is that like the majority of cancers I think so I mean you have people that have a genetic predisposition for things you can have other environmental factors that can influence this but what I mean you what you eat what you put in your mouth every single day is one of the biggest exposures that you have and so if you have that constant influx of negative exposure then then that's going to build up over time and and some people that will precipitate into cancer maybe in people that are more genetically susceptible but it maybe you know get too much of these inputs and you'll these negative inputs and you'll you'll just increase your likelihood of getting it you know a lot of a lot of diseases are are genetic predisposition and environmental trigger you know people have said that it your genetics loads the gun and and the environment pulls the trigger that's sort of that idea so if you don't have that genetic risk factor then you're you're not going to get that disease even if with the environmental trigger uh some things are going to be more envir Mally based maybe maybe you just have you're smoking you're exposed to radiation all these sorts of things this is just going to be something that is an independent risk factor for developing disorders dysfunction disease so I think that that in large part cancer can be prevented if people are eating a natural diet just like animals in the wild who obviously we don't we don't test every animal in the wild because they're in the wild but it's exceedingly rare to find an animal in the wild or an animal eating its natural diet in captivity that develops cancer and you know and that's the thing too that um uh you know I was doing that debate with this uh vegan guy who just nitpicks the littlest things and ignores 98% of of or or tries to dismiss 98% of study research and information just say oh what about this little thing here and just like whatever that is doesn't discount the rest of this sort of thing and one of the things he tried to show was that well look at this look at this study with zoo animals and see oh look they they do get they do get cancer they do get these diseases it's like okay what's the rate how is that compared to animals in in you know elsewhere are they eating their natural diet oh I mean presumably the hell are you talking about why would you even bring this study forward if you don't even know you know the point is is that animals like humans like gorillas like zebras when eating a natural diet should have much lower rates of disease and you're saying oh there's a rate of disease okay is that higher or lower than when they're eating uh kibble and Grain and nonsense like that oh I don't know like well I mean why'd you bring It Forward like what do you trying to prove are they eating their natural diet oh I mean um I guess okay no like you have to know that so you know and and and then compare okay are they eating their natural diet and does that get worse worse when they're not eating their natural diet you know so you know bring a you a useful study next time but you know and he was saying that like well the well and look at the carnivores actually had higher rates of cancer and it's just like okay well those carnivores are going to be more susceptible to plant toxins that are going to damage their mitochondria and damage their metabolism than the herbivores would be so if they're being fed you know kibble and dog food you know because there this is a you know they're being cheap and and trying to save money then of course they're going to be more likely to get diseases like cancer because they're more susceptible to these plant toxins because they're really not designed for it so you know it really what he did was prove my point but you know I think that this is shown again and again and again you have you have native populations of humans that are eating a natural human diet just largely meat-based if not exclusively meat-based most of the year and then they start getting incorporated into Western Society start eating more Western Foods it's usually called diseases of the West and because only Western people were getting these diseases and and the natives like Native Americans native Australians weren't and now they're more they're more prevalent in those native populations because while Europeans and other populations have had exposure to agriculture for 10,000 years and law of biology is that of adaptation you get you adapt to stress or you you die out and so our ancestors who surviv are the ones who were able to adapt and get a bit more defenses against you know plant toxins Native Americans and native Australians have not had that they've only had hundred years couple hundred years at most that they've had exposure to these plant toxins and so their rates of disease are much higher I was told when I first came to Australia that when you're seeing an Aboriginal patient a native Australian patient then you have to you have to take them as 20 years older than they are so whatever their their age is on their sticker you add 20 years to that because that that's just those are the diseases they're getting they age much faster and just because some you basically you consider them elderly at 40 right they well no we only really see this in elderly populations they're elderly in their 30s and 40s and that's what you have to assume because you'll miss things you know if you if you're just s that can't that doesn't happen in 30 year olds that's really unlikely okay what about a 60- year old yeah that's exactly what that would look like okay consider them 60 and so you know they they breaking down faster they're getting damaged more quickly and that's I think a direct result of their food uh that they're eating I mean I think it was magic pill um I don't know if you guys have seen that but I think they they took a lot of these native Australians and anyway there's a documentary where they did this and they took these people that were overweight and sick and diabetes horrible blood markers and said you know you guys aren't supposed to be eating this stuff you know let's go back to eating you know the animals you you hunt in the bush and guanas and Kangaroos and things like that and wouldn't you know they go back on that diet and their weight drops off their diabetes reverses and all their blood markers improve you know I mean that's pretty straightforward right that's an experimental that's an experimental piece of evidence that you you did an experimental you know intervention and and things got better an exact you know exactly contrary to the uh to the epidemiological things saying oh more meat is bad less Meats better more plants are good and yet you eat more meat if meat is directly harmful you should see the opposite happen they don't eat any plants and those are the only things on earth that are good for us and we're eating meat which is the only thing on earth that's bad for us and so you should they should get a lot worse a lot quicker and yet the opposite happens so it's wrong you know as Richard fan said it doesn't matter how brilliant your theory is and it doesn't matter how smart you are if it doesn't agree with experiment it's wrong and so experiment is when you Jeff me Anthony you Carrie say you know what I'm going to try this other thing and you run that experiment and lo and behold the exact opposite thing happens it's wrong that's what that's what that means I I agree with you Dr chaffy I I keep saying a Carrie I'm the I'm the living test tube right now I'm the one that has cancer uh I'm have I had success and I'm hoping to continue having success on what on what I'm doing and I don't know how anybody can argue that I'm the living test yeah absolutely all right we have another question here Hikari can the carnivore diet well this is one I can answer can the carnivore diet help me get rid of a CPAP machine I'm not overweight but have had mild sleep apnea found out while looking for heart issue uh Dr chaffy well I'll just say real quick I got off my cat machine on Carnivore Diet before I lost a pound and I've heard this from so many people including Dr Jordan Peterson when he went on Joe Rogan he said in the first week he stopped snoring and that really frankly kind of pissed me off because I was on a cpat machine for years and years and years and the last uh sleep expert that I went to after going to a sleep study he's like listen you're just overweight you're gonna have to lose about 80 pounds and then you'll stop snoring maybe part of that was right but I stopped snoring before I lost a pound and I later found out I think it was just because inflammation my Airway my throat my tongue whatever was inflamed got rid of that inflammation real quick on carnivore and stop snoring and if you're using a cpat machine the cool thing is most of them I think mine did it'll tell you how many apneas or episodes you have throughout the night so if you start carnivore um or a ketogenic diet and you start reducing that inflammation you can actually monitor and see uh how many apneas you're having over time so I would say yes yeah oh definitely yeah I mean we see this a lot and and so the the thought is from losing weight is that you're just just this is this is funny I I pointed this out before and and then and then people have freaked out you know people like Lane nor like oh my God what are you talking about just basically pointing out the fact that you know we marble steaks and cows by giving them grains and carbs and this forces en you know this forces energy into the into the muscles and you actually get intramuscular fat and marbling same thing happens with us it's called myosteatosis and so we see this all the time as doctors and you know other people that don't look at MRIs all the time I mean I don't know why why Lane would look at an MRI I don't think that' be part of his his normal uh you know interaction with his with his clients but uh for people that do see this all the time there's fat marbling there's human marbling this called myosteatosis in in a lot of the muscles throughout the body and the these are directly correlated with you know monocytosis in the muscles of the back for instance of the spine are directly correlated with back pain you know and and people that have have sort of surgical sort of intervention um that helps the physical structures of their spine um there was it was presented at a conference that basically people that had myosis uh basically this was this wasn't going to help their back pain you know they were much less likely to get resolution of their pain symptoms from surgery if they had myosis and if they did not have myosis they generally wouldn't so there's interesting um interactions there so that's sort of the the idea was that you have these fatty deposits all over your body you're getting this fatty deposits in your soft pallet and down your throat sort of closes off the airway but long before you get rid of those fatty deposits you're going to get rid of the inflammation you get rid of of the snoring and the sleep apne in a lot of people so that's more of an inflammatory uh model there I maybe you're losing some of that M myosis as well some of that fatty deposits as well but it's it's whatever it is is very quick and so it's it's much more likely to be a lot of inflammation that's going away and that's sort of thinning that out and then you don't have that that snoring so yeah a lot of people are able to come off their CPAP not everybody but a lot of people will significantly improve on that yeah all right well I really appreciate all this Dr cha I know we're getting to the end of the hour maybe just one more question if you have time uh this was one I had two I wish I asked this for Professor seed we talked about chronic inflammation either from the foods you're eating or exposure smoking things like that but what about young children developing cancer yeah I mean that's that's really sad isn't it it's um it's almost certainly that they have a genetic predisposition and um they're going to be more susceptible to the same environmental triggers that would affect uh you know someone who's an adult like Jeff so it's you know it's very sad I mean we we have we have kids that are born with brain tumors you know what I mean I mean that that's devastating but would they have had those brain tumors is is it purely genetic just no matter what they were going to get that or they had a very strong genetic predisposition for that and what the mom was eating influenced that I think it would probably have to be a bit of a combination wouldn't it I mean certainly the genetics play a big role there but would you know the genetics load the gun and the and the environment pulls the trigger so the environment when you're in the womb is what the mom's eating and so the mom's environment is almost certainly going to play role in that maybe there are some things that are purely genetic no matter what you're going to do you're going to get this maybe but the the majority of these things have have both you know they have an environmental me we see this in in Twin in twin studies we have identical twins with exact same genetics and they have the exact same genes and some get the disease and some don't get the disease right so it's called penetrant so even if you have something that's like this genetic disease and you have the gene for it and it actually doesn't you actually don't get get the phenotype for it you have the genotype that's in your genes and the phenotype is the expression in your body do you get the disease or not and so some of these things are like 40% penetrant 60% penetrant and you know when I was taking genetics it was just like yeah we have no idea you know the gene is there but it was just so there's something in the environment so that was that's something that's been well understood for a long time is that you have the genetic predis position but something in your environment is setting it off and so even kids with cancer a they have to have some sort of strong genetic issue or a very extreme exposure you know some sort of medication the mom was taking or some sort of um you know environmental toxin that they got exposed to which can cause cancers in kids and and um you know that that has a role to play but there's going to be a combination you know there so there's going to be some genetic but I think a lot of it is still going to be environmental so still the same thing you do the exact same thing you try to optimize your health you optimize your situation your environment you only put in the healthiest things you possibly can uh I believe that that's just what we evolved on what we've been eating for the last three four million years and nearly exclusively for the last two million years which is just high fat meat and and and try to expose yourself to as few chemicals as possible I think it was something like a million different chemicals have gone on under patent and been discovered and started being using for like you know he you know um the beauty industry and soaps and shampoos and scents and things like a million different things so these are chemicals that really didn't exist before now we're exposing ourselves to you you have to be a bit fool hearty to think that they're not going to have some sort of effect on your body because our bodies are chemical factories they interact chemically with other chemicals and so we're just throwing in random chemicals just you know hundreds of thousands thousands of chemicals at our body and and we're thinking that they don't cause uh have an effect with us that's that's that's wrong and so you know kids getting cancer is very sad but I still think it's it's very very very sad and I mean that's that's the field of medicine that I work in and it's you never want to see that it's just so horrible and they're some of the most some of the strongest kids you see and they're the ones sometimes you know reassuring their parents and saying you know and the mom's upset and the dad's crying and and the kids saying Hey look it's okay it's all right and they're they're the ones reassuring their parents it's it is the it's the sweetest thing in the world but it's also really really hard uh to see that see any kid suffering and so it's really um really nasty that that exists at all but I still think it's there's this environmental factor and uh whether or not there's a genetic influence at all and so I think that's something that you can still help prevent in your kids by you being the healthiest that you can can during your pregnancy and breastfeeding and and raising those kids properly and your example is going to set you set them up for their life you know and this is why obesity if your parents are obese you 80% chance that you're going to be obese that's not because of genetics that's because you learn your habits from your parents and so if you learn healthy habits from your parents you're more likely to be healthy as well and and so hopefully this can reduce Childhood cancer rates as well which I'm sure it will thank you well thank you guys uh so much thank you Dr chaffy for your time uh I just want to say again real quick it's just it's such a tragedy there's how many people today are getting diagnosed with cancer and they're never going to have the options of metabolic therapy and and Jeff's regimen so I appreciate everyone that's uh interested in signing the petition and please share it if you if you agree with it uh that'll really help us out and I guess uh Dr chaffy Jeff is there anything else you want to uh mention or close with or shout out before we wrap things up yeah I just want to reiterate I'm just totally uh blown away by this evening and I you know thank you uh Dr chaffy I I think we've been on for over two hours and I was only like I would have I would have been happy with 10 minutes with you to be honest with you um so thank you very much from the B of my heart especially from my my sons um and everybody that's on team Jeff with me right now on my journey and um you know I'm looking forward to hopefully that we can hook up again and get get the word out a little more spread the word especially when it comes to our kids I think we that you know was appropriate that you uh pulled up that last question Carri with the kids we're you know we're doing this for a good reason I think um it's uh it's a blessing and disguise the stuff that I'm going through um and I'm I'm hoping to like the Grassroots uh continue helping out that way and you know I want to apologize to few of my subscribers and friends that I may have prematurely carry sent out the uh the signature website uh before you updated and switched it over so if anybody uh still wants to join in and and you know um support us in spreading the word right Carrie yeah absolutely just I want to encourage everybody to do that and thanks again Dr shavey well you're very welcome it was absolute pleasure I'm glad we finally got to to meet I was looking forward to this um I'm more than happy to I'm always more than happy to talk about these sorts of things and and and just get the word out because it's something that that helps you know this really does help people and so I don't I don't want this to you know something that Dr fety said that I've just I've just sort of latched on to which is you know once you see this you can't unsee it you know once you see it's actually really helping people in reversing diseases I mean that that's what you're supposed to do as a doctor that is that is your your job is it should be your ethos it's just like this is this is my purpose is to eliminate disease as much as possible and and help people and cure them when they're sick and that's why the hell do it otherwise you know make money I can make a lot more money doing nearly anything else and so it's um it's something that you should be passionate about and so I just think that it's it's something that that I've seen it help so many people in so many ways I I literally just had a man come into my my uh office the other day um on Saturday actually yeah as I was working the weekend and he he said that his uh wife would come in who I had spoken to she had staged for breast cancer and um had been doing carnivore and and her normal treatments for 18 months and she's in remission now they can't find it anywhere in her body she had it all up and down her spine and everything like that and they uh were were quite worried about her and she had a tremendous uh response to this so it's like you you can't un see that and you can't ethically morally not say something when you have a patient come in who have can who has cancer and they say is there anything I can do is there is there anything I can I can do to help this so many people say I just do whatever you want and it and you see the look of defeat in their eyes you know when they say there's there's I guess there's nothing I can of course there's something you can do just being your healthiest self is going to help you weather this it's going to help your body fight this off it's going to make you healthier so that you can last longer through the chemo and radiation which that can kill people and so the healthier you are the better better able you will be to weather this storm and you know so whether or not this actually directly helps the cancer or not you will be healthier so of course there's something you can do I think that's I get it they're just trying to just oh just do whatever you want just enjoy yourself you know they're looking like that guy like oh my wife doesn't want me to have a beer I'll just have a beer if you want it you know just basically trying to just say you know give them a pass to do things that they want to do but a lot of these people are not asking for a free pass to go and and and Destroy themselves they're asking can I do something is there anything I can do no there's nothing you can do it's hopeless that's what they hear you know that may not be what the the doctor means but that is what they hear and and that's not right and so I've seen this help so many people I've seen this help a lot of people with cancer I've seen the studies on cancer and this this helps people and so you you can't unsee that and so I I can't in good conscience not recommend this and not uh try to put this out there to people so that they can get healthy and I don't I don't want anyone to make another dollar off of cancer and suffering I just don't you know especially if it's something that can be prevented um there are treatments out there that help there are surgeries that help but there are other things that that can help as well and there and there are things you can do that can help prevent it and so like why the hell wouldn't you why wouldn't you get that out there so that's that's what I want to do and so I'm always happy to talk about that and uh and get the word out appreciate it hey do we have time for just a quick speedrun now two more Super chats just came in real quick um okay we'll go real quick this is Sandra thank you so much so generous $100 she says Jeff my brother had his last baby while he had cancer she was a gift from God because they weren't planning on that last baby but God had a different plan so I do believe your doggy has a place in your life for your cancer in the rest of your life uh that is from Sandra one hope for all thank you thanks a lot Sandra if one hope for all um and I I I I I agree with you uh certain things come into your life life for a reason and you know I I I kind of you know I want to thank my wife for that one because she's been begging me to get to get a dog in this household so thank thank you everybody awesome and then one last one carnivore today our friend Adam Adam came out to film with Jeff and myself $20 Dr chaffy what are your thoughts on drinking coffee in the carnivore diet I'm quitting for a second time and will keep it gone for good this time yeah I um I I well I I personally feel much better without coffee I have tried both I wasn't a big coffee drinker before anyway but when I when I sort of got rid of all this stuff and I was you know back working out and went back to playing rugby and and did my absolutely ridiculous stupid uh 32 sets of like heavy squashes just because I I couldn't get sore I'm like why the hell is it is that happening maybe I'm not working hard enough and so I definitely worked hard enough and I still didn't get sore so um I ended up drinking coffee sort of two days after that so I did my super heavy leg day the next day I did a big hike up a mountain for three hours and then that because I was feeling so good I went to rugby practice that night and was at a dead Sprint still wasn't sore uh wasn't sore the next day wasn't sore two days after that and then I went and got coffee with a friend and and said okay what does coffee do can I have coffee is that something that's going to react to me had one cup of black coffee and within 20 minutes I my my back and my leg started stiffening up and getting sore and I actually feel it getting worse in real time was really strange and then I was sore for two days after that not as sore as I should have been with the amount of work that I did but I was still sore and I didn't like that so I know that it affects me we do know objectively there tannins and fiic acid and oxalates and all these other sorts of lectins and different sort saponins all these sorts of different toxins in there so we know that they are in there we know that objectively and so for the exact same reason that I don't eat broccoli I I I avoid coffee as well and you know a coffee bean is a seed a seed is the plant's baby and that's where you generally find the highest concentration of toxins which is why you have to roast it so I have to cook it denat it do these things to it to uh to try to detoxify that a bit um if people want to drink coffee go ahead I mean I don't I don't think that anybody has to you have to do it this way I just TR to say look I think this is the best way this is this sort of the base and you you sort of adjust from there if you want to have some coffee go ahead and have some coffee um I don't for that reason because there's objectively there are things in there and I'm avoiding these other things because of those toxins that are in in that plant and so there's toxins in coffee so I avoid the coffee and I and I know that for me subjectively I feel different when I when I drink the coffee and I I feel better without the coffee so that's me that's what I've chosen to do but a lot of people have found that they feel better coming off the coffee as well that they have better energy they don't have a rise and then a crash they feel really good throughout the day they have more consistent energy throughout the day they sleep better at night which is really good and they do have less inflammation and so a lot of people say like well you know I I don't get the the no soreness like Dr chaffy does still get a bit but it's a lot better and I always ask them do you drink coffee like yes I do like well that's probably why you know and so that's it you know everyone everyone needs to do what's right for them I don't care if people smoke or drink or drink coffee or whatever I just want them to understand that there there can be a way that they're they can optimize their health they don't want to do that that's completely up to them but um caffeine is addictive you know it's a drug so I like getting away from those things in general but it's also a neurotoxin it was designed to kill uh fry the brains of insects eating them and so you know is that something you really want in your life I know people have have put their epilepsy into remission by going on a carnivore diet then they had some caffeine and bang had a seizure right so that that may negatively affect your your brain chemistry in certain ways um but like any drug you can you can get over it it usually takes about two weeks of that chemical dependency so you sort of have that light at the end of the tunnel like I I can make it two weeks and you may get headaches at first but those usually go away in the first few days drink a lot of water and those symptoms sort of go away and then after two weeks people tend not to have the Cravings anymore and they feel a lot better and then tend to have better energy and better sleep and so it can help in a lot of ways and so a lot of people that I've spoken to have found that they feel a lot better without coffee last one I promise this was just comment Jake Davidson my cousin ended his life without hope because of stage four liver cancer diagnosis just a month before I started Carnival I wish I could go back and tell him I'm so sorry to hear that I'm sorry too yeah no that's really sad um but that I mean that just sort of shows you why you have to do this sort of stuff you know because there are people that that don't have hope and and and they don't see any reason to keep going because it's just oh I only thing in front of me is is suffering and then death okay well let's cut to the chase let's skip the suffering and then just go to death um that's that's that's more appealing for for some people um and that's really sad so I mean this is why it's so important to get this out there and get you know Thomas C Freed's um work out there to people because it's giving people hope and not only is it giving them hope it's giving them results you know because false hope is is worse than no hope but you know he he gets results and this helps people I mean you know Jeff you're looking Pro for this you know you have you have a so-called terminal disease that should have killed you months ago and yet you're as healthy as you've ever been right and maybe more and so and and hopefully your scan on Monday next Monday is uh you know shows a lot of improvement and um that would be that would be great but either way you know you are doing much better than you were expected to and you're not suffering and getting worse and degrading you know you are you are healthy and happy and enjoying your life which is what any of us can hope for absolutely yeah thank you guys so much thank you Dr chaffy thank you Jeff blessings on my journey links to all the channels are in the description below and thanks for everyone for signing up for the signatures uh for the for the petition really appreciate it and uh good night thank you good night every you change your practice and you know based on that I don't know what are some hard facts well hard facts are that you know in in botney and and in horror culture we know that there are certain poisons in there that that plant makes to deter insects and animals from eating them you know especially in the bean right because a bean is a seed right all organisms protect their babies more than anything by and large and a seed is a plant's baby